Any change to exhumers? Do you think they'll be more expensive anyway (skiff/mack for example) due to increased use?

in short; buy your ships now?

Darn, I just sold 100+ Procurers for 5.5mil...

I should've held!!!11!

in short; buy your ships now?

No, BUILD your ships now. A Procurer is a mineral multiplier!

Edit: Apparently not, CCP covered that with the way the BPOs are set up.

But you can still build now on the cheap, sell later.

No, BUILD your ships now. A Procurer is a mineral multiplier!

Edit: Apparently not, CCP covered that with the way the BPOs are set up.

But you can still build now on the cheap, sell later.

I'm still not sure how the BPOs are set up any differently. Unless you're talking about some datamined data that is different than the in game BPO. Normally with "extras" aren't they not effected by ME and skills? Guess I'm a bit lost on this part of it.

Supposedly the extra minerals needed to make the new Procurer over the old one are listed on the BPO as "extra materials", and those do not come back when you reprocess. So you cannot make a pile of ships now, then reprocess them after the patch to magically create minerals from nothing.

Logic is that if the mining barges material cost have went up this much so will the cost of the ships. making people starting the game not able to get into any of these ships for a good amount of time..


Procurer b4 update 1.5mil average cost to build * a 3000% increase in material cost = 45 mil cost to build = approx 72 mil selling price. (60% markup)

I believe the new build price is in the 20-25M range, meaning most of them will sell in the 20-25M range. 60% markup in T1 ships used as well in the manufacturing of T2 ships? They're going to be cutthroated down by the speculators and MIMAF crowd quickly enough once they launch.

People starting the game end up with 6-10M after the starter agents now too, hardly takes them very long to get the isk.

thankfully i already had one of each exhumer, and i brought 2 barges for my alt a few days ago. quite lucky really.

My main and both of my alts each have one rigged and fitted Hulk, and one of the largest kind of T1 barge (Covetor?), also rigged and fitted, as a backup. Not that I actually mine much, but it's nice to have lying around just in case.


More generally, what's the new mining progression going to look like?

I started with a Bantam mining frigate. Then I upgraded to an Osprey mining cruiser. After that I don't remember if I spent any time sucking roid in a medium-sized T1 barge (Procurer), or if I simply waited and jumped straight into the large T1 barge (Covetor?). I think I own a Mackinaw but I've never used it. After the large T1 barge, I went straight for a Hulk.

What's a noob's mining ship progression going to look like? And will it be a smooth pregression in terms of hull ISK cost?

my question now, is... if i start a job pre-patch to build 100 retreivers... will it continue and go through with the final number, after the patch?

... would help here.

More generally, what's the new mining progression going to look like?

I started with a Bantam mining frigate. Then I upgraded to an Osprey mining cruiser. After that I don't remember if I spent any time sucking roid in a medium-sized T1 barge (Procurer), or if I simply waited and jumped straight into the large T1 barge (Covetor?). I think I own a Mackinaw but I've never used it. After the large T1 barge, I went straight for a Hulk.

What's a noob's mining ship progression going to look like? And will it be a smooth pregression in terms of hull ISK cost?

this extra minerals thing how can it be enforced? like is there some kind of flagging system ccp has for prepatch procurers and post patch procurers?

i say this because when you pay 20-25 mil for the procurer you expect it to be worth that, reprocessing that procurer should yield you the minerals that are very close in value to what you paid for the procurer. in all other t1 mods you can refine them and get the minerals back. battleships are a prime example, when those ships fall below mineral cost they are snapped up refined or held for later on.


so i reiterate my question here. how does ccp define prepatch procurers and postpatch procurers? or if this is a timed event for adding the extra minerals column when can we expect procurers to be worth what we pay for them?