Any change to exhumers? Do you think they'll be more expensive anyway (skiff/mack for example) due to increased use?

in short; buy your ships now?

Darn, I just sold 100+ Procurers for 5.5mil...

I should've held!!!11!

in short; buy your ships now?

No, BUILD your ships now. A Procurer is a mineral multiplier!

Edit: Apparently not, CCP covered that with the way the BPOs are set up.

But you can still build now on the cheap, sell later.

No, BUILD your ships now. A Procurer is a mineral multiplier!

Edit: Apparently not, CCP covered that with the way the BPOs are set up.

But you can still build now on the cheap, sell later.

I'm still not sure how the BPOs are set up any differently. Unless you're talking about some datamined data that is different than the in game BPO. Normally with "extras" aren't they not effected by ME and skills? Guess I'm a bit lost on this part of it.

Supposedly the extra minerals needed to make the new Procurer over the old one are listed on the BPO as "extra materials", and those do not come back when you reprocess. So you cannot make a pile of ships now, then reprocess them after the patch to magically create minerals from nothing.

Logic is that if the mining barges material cost have went up this much so will the cost of the ships. making people starting the game not able to get into any of these ships for a good amount of time..


Procurer b4 update 1.5mil average cost to build * a 3000% increase in material cost = 45 mil cost to build = approx 72 mil selling price. (60% markup)

I believe the new build price is in the 20-25M range, meaning most of them will sell in the 20-25M range. 60% markup in T1 ships used as well in the manufacturing of T2 ships? They're going to be cutthroated down by the speculators and MIMAF crowd quickly enough once they launch.

People starting the game end up with 6-10M after the starter agents now too, hardly takes them very long to get the isk.

thankfully i already had one of each exhumer, and i brought 2 barges for my alt a few days ago. quite lucky really.

My main and both of my alts each have one rigged and fitted Hulk, and one of the largest kind of T1 barge (Covetor?), also rigged and fitted, as a backup. Not that I actually mine much, but it's nice to have lying around just in case.


More generally, what's the new mining progression going to look like?

I started with a Bantam mining frigate. Then I upgraded to an Osprey mining cruiser. After that I don't remember if I spent any time sucking roid in a medium-sized T1 barge (Procurer), or if I simply waited and jumped straight into the large T1 barge (Covetor?). I think I own a Mackinaw but I've never used it. After the large T1 barge, I went straight for a Hulk.

What's a noob's mining ship progression going to look like? And will it be a smooth pregression in terms of hull ISK cost?

my question now, is... if i start a job pre-patch to build 100 retreivers... will it continue and go through with the final number, after the patch?

... would help here.

More generally, what's the new mining progression going to look like?

I started with a Bantam mining frigate. Then I upgraded to an Osprey mining cruiser. After that I don't remember if I spent any time sucking roid in a medium-sized T1 barge (Procurer), or if I simply waited and jumped straight into the large T1 barge (Covetor?). I think I own a Mackinaw but I've never used it. After the large T1 barge, I went straight for a Hulk.

What's a noob's mining ship progression going to look like? And will it be a smooth pregression in terms of hull ISK cost?

this extra minerals thing how can it be enforced? like is there some kind of flagging system ccp has for prepatch procurers and post patch procurers?

i say this because when you pay 20-25 mil for the procurer you expect it to be worth that, reprocessing that procurer should yield you the minerals that are very close in value to what you paid for the procurer. in all other t1 mods you can refine them and get the minerals back. battleships are a prime example, when those ships fall below mineral cost they are snapped up refined or held for later on.


so i reiterate my question here. how does ccp define prepatch procurers and postpatch procurers? or if this is a timed event for adding the extra minerals column when can we expect procurers to be worth what we pay for them?

this extra minerals thing how can it be enforced? like is there some kind of flagging system ccp has for prepatch procurers and post patch procurers?

i say this because when you pay 20-25 mil for the procurer you expect it to be worth that, reprocessing that procurer should yield you the minerals that are very close in value to what you paid for the procurer. in all other t1 mods you can refine them and get the minerals back. battleships are a prime example, when those ships fall below mineral cost they are snapped up refined or held for later on.


so i reiterate my question here. how does ccp define prepatch procurers and postpatch procurers? or if this is a timed event for adding the extra minerals column when can we expect procurers to be worth what we pay for them?

Edit: To see whats going on, go to Sisi, get a Procurer BPO and try to build a ship. When setting up the job you will get a table of materials needed. The materials needed will have two tables: One titled "Raw Materials" and one titled "Extra Materials".

On Sisi, I bought and reprocessed a Procurer. It produced the old mineral amount despite the new amounts on the BPO. Have not tried building one, then reprocessing it. CCP could actually have 2 entries for the ships: Old Procurer, New Procurer. Everything the same except the mineral amount.

Edit: To see whats going on, go to Sisi, get a Procurer BPO and try to build a ship. When setting up the job you will get a table of materials needed. The materials needed will have two tables: One titled "Raw Materials" and one titled "Extra Materials".

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35M T1 Covetor
300M T2 hulk

30M T1 Retriever
250M T2 Mackinaw

25M Procurer
200M Skiff

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I've still yet to see anyone who has said there is an "extras" tab comment about the apparent lack of any "extras" tab in game. I'll just sit on the ships I bought to see what happens.

Currently on SiSi, if you start a Procurer build job, you see "Material Costs" and "Extra Costs".

Say what you want about T1 speculators, but Retriever prices are already getting dangerously close to 20mil all over the place. (except Jita)

One thing I've been wondering is, will the BPO's be increased in cost post-patch as well?

about 500 Procurer BPO`s have been sold in Jita in the last couple of days wich means that there will probably 270.000 procurers coming out of production in a month :D....good luck selling them, there only 100 miners bu them per day.

Jita trade volume is only resale. afaik the only region were you can actually buy those BPOs from NPCs is outer ring. During the last 3 weeks 1,432 procurer BPO and 536 Retriever BPO have been purchased in outer ring. That's 289,440 retriever and 773,280 procurer flooding the jita market soon (not counting mining barges produced using BPOs which already existed for more than 3 weeks). Also this: mining barge production 2011.

Especially the procurer price will probably drop close to its reprocessing value for several years. Maybe the low price causes them to be used more often using up the stock faster.