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Freezehunter 255	Posted - 2012.07.31 15:58:00 - [31] - Quote Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe. I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see. It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered. You must be a dumb American. You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes? Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year. In what world is that poor? Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
King Rothgar Path of the Fallen 247	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:06:00 - [32] - Quote The problem is high sec but as I said earlier, there is an imbalance between missions and other types of income. A low sec lvl4 pays more than a high sec one, but the difference isn't big enough to justify doing them in low sec given the added inconveniences of roaming gangs and having to actually control a swath of space to run them in. Low sec exploration pays way more than high sec exploration and since it can be run in smaller, nimbler ships, it's not nearly as problematic as lvl4 missions. The trouble is it's really hit or miss. The 5/10 and up sites are great but they are of course rare. If you really go out and try to hunt them, you may find one a week. Yes you'll make a billion isk off it on average, but a billion over the course of a week of probing and hopping around isn't actually a whole lot of isk compared to farming endless incursion sites or high sec lvl4's. But at least it isn't so boring. Low sec lvl5's do pay better than high sec lvl4's but the problems encountered with lvl4's are only magnified with them. You can make a pretty penny that way though. I'd say it's better than high sec lvl4's, probably even with high sec incursions. FW LP farming in its various forms pays better than just about anything you can do in high sec, but I don't expect that to last. We're going to crash the FW LP markets hard in the next few months. I expect the equilibrium will be less than that of high sec incursions since that's what it was prior to the FW changes. I also feel obligated in this to bring up mining. Mining, anywhere in eve, is possibly the single worst thing you can do for income by a very wide margin. This strikes me as flawed. I think all income sources should be more or less balanced at any given player "level." Level in this case refering to skills, fittings, ship and location. Example: mining veldspar in high sec with a max skilled, optimally fit hulk as part of a proper mining fleet (haulers, links) should pay equally well as running high sec incursions in a pimped blitz fleet. High sec lvl4's run in a small pimped gang should also be equally lucrative. The low sec version of any of these should pay far more obviously but once again, balanced across the various professions. This setup has never existed during my time playing eve, but it should. Players should not be forced into particular play styles simply because the devs decided to favor one above all the rest. The Troll is trolling.
El Cid Campeador Exploding Squirrels 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:06:00 - [33] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe. I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see. It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered. You must be a dumb American. You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes? Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year. In what world is that poor? Someone didnt eat their happy breakfast...
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 254	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:13:00 - [34] - Quote King Rothgar wrote: The 5/10 and up sites are great but they are of course rare. If you really go out and try to hunt them, you may find one a week. If you're only finding 1 DED site per week in lowsec you're either scanning in a terrible location (Caldari lowsec maybe?) or you're not looking very hard. I can pretty easily average a 4 or 5/10 DED site every hour by running the sites in one ship and scanning the next system in my loop in another.
Large Collidable Object morons. 1784	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:15:00 - [35] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Also, multiboxing and running many alts at a time doesn't require any kind of intelligence, just a lot of free time, How does running a lot of alts require more spare time than running one account? Actually it saves you time - Whilst my hauler transfers trade goods from one hub to another, I scan for plexes in low whilst fitting a ship Id like to try for running the site on the third. Now doing all that using one character - that certainly requires a lot of time. Time I simply do not have due to working 60-80 hours a week. Freezehunter wrote: having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you? Wow - you finished college? How did you do that? You know... morons.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 871	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:17:00 - [36] - Quote jornab wrote: How do you make isk in lowsec? I have been running sites, ratting belts, and the occasional pvp....yet i made a crap ton more money in high sec running missions. Now I just don't understand. Either i am doing something wrong... or I just don't understand the secrets. which is it? p.s. so far all the 100% scan sites, ded complexes and radars, mags have come up with squat isk wise (less then 10 mil each). The only faction loot in a month of running these sites has been some ammo, and crapy items. I have noticed I might get a faction spawn 1:20-25 sites. is this normal too? I have yet to see a belt rat faction spawn. Low sec L4 missions pay better than high sec L4 missions. Low sec exploration pays better then high sec exploration. Low sec incursions pay better than high sec incursions. Low sec ratting pays better than high sec ratting. The issue here is you are comparing exploration with missions, not low sec to high sec. Unless you get some lucky finds, exploration pays less than missions. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Jim Era The Syndicate Inc En Garde 13	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:18:00 - [37] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe. I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see. It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered. You must be a dumb American. You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes? Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year. In what world is that poor? its poor here in America. If you only make that much a year you suck and nobody will be your friend cuz you're nasty and dirty. I'm still in my tweens and I make more than that, play EVE (1char) has wife (no babies because ** that I got ** to do) pay bills, go running, and go to school at night. QQ more poorguy EVE is meant to be time consuming, just like (don't hate) WoW was years ago, and EQ etc. Then everyone grew up and started bitching that they couldn't get gear because they couldn't spend 40+ hours a week in MC So, they made it to where you log on and free epics. Please don't make EVE become "log on for free titans" or I will personally tell you you are a weenie and laugh at you.
El Cid Campeador Exploding Squirrels 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:21:00 - [38] - Quote I dont think he read the 10k was a month.... now you are making him look semi smart!!!! :( Jim Era wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe. I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see. It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered. You must be a dumb American. You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes? Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year. In what world is that poor? its poor here in America. If you only make that much a year you suck and nobody will be your friend cuz you're nasty and dirty. I'm still in my tweens and I make more than that, play EVE (1char) has wife (no babies because ** that I got ** to do) pay bills, go running, and go to school at night. QQ more poorguy EVE is meant to be time consuming, just like (don't hate) WoW was years ago, and EQ etc. Then everyone grew up and started bitching that they couldn't get gear because they couldn't spend 40+ hours a week in MC So, they made it to where you log on and free epics. Please don't make EVE become "log on for free titans" or I will personally tell you you are a weenie and laugh at you.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 9036	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:24:00 - [39] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe. I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see. It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered. You must be a dumb American. You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes? Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year. In what world is that poor? My world, that's chump change. So, what's it like to be poor? CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Jim Era The Syndicate Inc En Garde 13	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:26:00 - [40] - Quote No I read it right. 10k a month, 130k a year. not alot >.>
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 9036	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:29:00 - [41] - Quote Jim Era wrote: No I read it right. 10k a month, 130k a year. not alot >.> Indeed. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
El Cid Campeador Exploding Squirrels 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:30:00 - [42] - Quote Jim Era wrote: No I read it right. 10k a month, 130k a year. not alot >.> Not alot no, but much more than just chump change. And its 3 times what the average american makes...
Jim Era The Syndicate Inc En Garde 13	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:31:00 - [43] - Quote The average is so low in America because we have half the country being supported by the other half.e.g. welfare
El Cid Campeador Exploding Squirrels 37	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:37:00 - [44] - Quote Jim Era wrote: The average is so low in America because we have half the country being supported by the other half.e.g. welfare Le sigh....
Freezehunter 255	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:37:00 - [45] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Also, multiboxing and running many alts at a time doesn't require any kind of intelligence, just a lot of free time, How does running a lot of alts require more spare time than running one account? Actually it saves you time - Whilst my hauler transfers trade goods from one hub to another, I scan for plexes in low whilst fitting a ship Id like to try for running the site on the third. Now doing all that using one character - that certainly requires a lot of time. Time I simply do not have due to working 60-80 hours a week. Freezehunter wrote: having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you? Wow - you finished college? How did you do that? Where I come from, College is not like in America where any ****** that can barely read / spell or do basic math graduates. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Generals4 993	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:47:00 - [46] - Quote Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe. I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see. It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered. You do realize that in European countries that's a lot. But that's also because many state subsidized services are dirt cheap. If you earn 10k $ a month you belong to the upper middle class over here. Quote: having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you? Depends on the degree. Jim Era wrote: The average is so low in America because we have half the country being supported by the other half.e.g. welfare I have nothing against the US but that sounds wrong on many levels. You americans don't know what supporting the poor even means. Go to northern european countries or France and suddenly you'll realize how little you guys help the poor. *-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.*
Large Collidable Object morons. 1786	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:48:00 - [47] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Large Collidable Object wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Also, multiboxing and running many alts at a time doesn't require any kind of intelligence, just a lot of free time, How does running a lot of alts require more spare time than running one account? Actually it saves you time - Whilst my hauler transfers trade goods from one hub to another, I scan for plexes in low whilst fitting a ship Id like to try for running the site on the third. Now doing all that using one character - that certainly requires a lot of time. Time I simply do not have due to working 60-80 hours a week. Freezehunter wrote: having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you? Wow - you finished college? How did you do that? Where I come from, College is not like in America where any ****** that can barely read / spell or do basic math graduates. Your college is our 6-8th grade. I'm impressed. You know... morons.
Freezehunter 256	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:54:00 - [48] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Large Collidable Object wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Also, multiboxing and running many alts at a time doesn't require any kind of intelligence, just a lot of free time, How does running a lot of alts require more spare time than running one account? Actually it saves you time - Whilst my hauler transfers trade goods from one hub to another, I scan for plexes in low whilst fitting a ship Id like to try for running the site on the third. Now doing all that using one character - that certainly requires a lot of time. Time I simply do not have due to working 60-80 hours a week. Freezehunter wrote: having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you? Wow - you finished college? How did you do that? Where I come from, College is not like in America where any **** that can barely read / spell or do basic math graduates. Your college is our 6-8th grade. I'm impressed. To be fair, your universities are where ** starts getting interesting. But college is just bullshit over there. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Jim Era The Syndicate Inc En Garde 16	Posted - 2012.07.31 16:59:00 - [49] - Quote Generals4 wrote: Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe. I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see. It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered. You do realize that in European countries that's a lot. But that's also because many state subsidized services are dirt cheap. If you earn 10k $ a month you belong to the upper middle class over here. Quote: having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you? Depends on the degree. Jim Era wrote: The average is so low in America because we have half the country being supported by the other half.e.g. welfare I have nothing against the US but that sounds wrong on many levels. You don't know what supporting the poor even means. Go to northern european countries or France and suddenly you'll realize how little you guys help the poor. We should not help the poor at all. They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature. I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ******* really sucks.
Freezehunter 256	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:02:00 - [50] - Quote Jim Era wrote: We should not help the poor at all. They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature. I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ***** really sucks. I agree. My salary is supposed to actually be closer to $16000 per month, but guess who gets taxed to ** to support all the parasites. I probably feed 10 unemployed immigrant parasites for a month from my taxes. But then again Norway is known for having ridiculous tax rates and giving "help and shelter" to all the useless "refugee" trash from across Europe and the Middle East. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Generals4 994	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:05:00 - [51] - Quote Jim Era wrote: We should not help the poor at all. They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature. I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ***** really sucks. Well i'm still a student so 0% of my paycheck goes to the poor (i don't earn enough to be taxed ). But over here the personal income tax goes to 50% once you reach a yearly income of +/- 50k$ And that's without counting the Social Security Subsidy companies have to pay (or as an independent). Taxation is over the top over here and them damn socialists just want to tax more >< The funniest remains Francois Hollande who wants to get income taxes up to 70% for those earning 1mill Gé¼ a year in France. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.**
Jim Era The Syndicate Inc En Garde 18	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:06:00 - [52] - Quote Here Generally it seems they take out around $350 per $1000 you make....roughly.
Large Collidable Object morons. 1790	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:10:00 - [53] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: To be fair, your universities are where **** starts getting interesting. But college is just bullshit over there. I wouldn't know about that - I didn't get past elementary school because I never managed to learn reading or writing. On a side note, everyone posting about his wage and educational level on Eve GD should apply to my corp On another side note, I'm Austrian... You know... morons.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 9036	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:13:00 - [54] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Jim Era wrote: We should not help the poor at all. They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature. I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ***** really sucks. I agree. My salary is supposed to actually be closer to $16000 per month, but guess who gets taxed to to support all the parasites. I probably feed 10 unemployed immigrant parasites for a month from my taxes. But then again Norway is known for having ridiculous tax rates and giving "help and shelter" to all the useless "refugee" trash from across Europe, Africa and the Middle East. Poor little you. So, what's it like? CCP Zulu.....** Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Freezehunter 256	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:14:00 - [55] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: Freezehunter wrote: To be fair, your universities are where ** starts getting interesting. But college is just bullshit over there. I wouldn't know about that - I didn't get past elementary school because I never managed to learn reading or writing. On a side note, everyone posting about his wage and educational level on Eve GD should apply to my corp On another side note, I'm Austrian... Wait, that means... **. I got trolled didn't I? Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Freezehunter 256	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:15:00 - [56] - Quote Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Jim Era wrote: We should not help the poor at all. They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature. I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ***** really sucks. I agree. My salary is supposed to actually be closer to $16000 per month, but guess who gets taxed to ** to support all the parasites. I probably feed 10 unemployed immigrant parasites for a month from my taxes. But then again Norway is known for having ridiculous tax rates and giving "help and shelter" to all the useless "refugee" trash from across Europe, Africa and the Middle East. Poor little you. So, what's it like? Pretty cool, just bought another speedboat. Why do you ask? Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
King Rothgar Path of the Fallen 249	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:19:00 - [57] - Quote Dear CCP, please lock this thread. The Troll is trolling.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 9036	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:21:00 - [58] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Jim Era wrote: We should not help the poor at all. They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature. I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ***** really sucks. I agree. My salary is supposed to actually be closer to $16000 per month, but guess who gets taxed to to support all the parasites. I probably feed 10 unemployed immigrant parasites for a month from my taxes. But then again Norway is known for having ridiculous tax rates and giving "help and shelter" to all the useless "refugee" trash from across Europe, Africa and the Middle East. Poor little you. So, what's it like? Pretty cool, just bought another speedboat. Why do you ask? A small boat I guess, you being poor would mean low funds for such things. What a shame. I just wanted to know what it was like being poor, now you've given me insight. Thank you. CCP Zulu.....** Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Freezehunter 256	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:23:00 - [59] - Quote Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Mag's wrote: Freezehunter wrote: Jim Era wrote: We should not help the poor at all. They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature. I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ***** really sucks. I agree. My salary is supposed to actually be closer to $16000 per month, but guess who gets taxed to ** to support all the parasites. I probably feed 10 unemployed immigrant parasites for a month from my taxes. But then again Norway is known for having ridiculous tax rates and giving "help and shelter" to all the useless "refugee" trash from across Europe, Africa and the Middle East. Poor little you. So, what's it like? Pretty cool, just bought another speedboat. Why do you ask? A small boat I guess, you being poor would mean low funds for such things. What a shame. I just wanted to know what it was like being poor, now you've given me insight. Thank you. Yes, only 6 meters long, very small, it was cheap too. Glad to have helped. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Large Collidable Object morons. 1794	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:23:00 - [60] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Wait, that means... ****. I got trolled didn't I? You never cease to impress me. You know... morons.

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