Now you begin to realise the problen with high sec. Risk vs reward is all f'd up

Low sec exploration pays better than high sec exploration, the trouble is missions pay substantially better than exploration in general.

This. It really sucks when I can literally grind L3s while bouncing a baby in one arm and make more money than low-sec exploration (an EVE past-time I really love). The additional payoff being a Comet.

It's ******* stupid.

You people are doing it entirely wrong. Lowsec exploration is significantly more profitable than highsec missions. The trick is doing it in the right location, at the right time and with the right combination of ships. It certainly requires more dedication than somebody who is "bouncing a baby on one arm" can invest as speed and multiboxing are the key.

How do you make isk in lowsec?


I have been running sites, ratting belts, and the occasional pvp....yet i made a crap ton more money in high sec running missions. Now I just don't understand. Either i am doing something wrong... or I just don't understand the secrets. which is it?

You people are doing it entirely wrong. Lowsec exploration is significantly more profitable than highsec missions. The trick is doing it in the right location, at the right time and with the right combination of ships. It certainly requires more dedication than somebody who is "bouncing a baby on one arm" can invest as speed and multiboxing are the key.

Yes, because everyone wants to have 50 alts and play a MMO basically solo.

No ******* thanks.

It's sad that Eve is the only MMO I play where having alts gives you super unfair advantages over everyone else.

What the **** is the point of playing a MMO in the first place if you're basically going to solo your way through it until you get bored?

Might as well play X3 Terran Conflict then, or Freelancer or other games like those.

MMOs are for team play, not alt play.

How do you make isk in lowsec?


I have been running sites, ratting belts, and the occasional pvp....yet i made a crap ton more money in high sec running missions. Now I just don't understand. Either i am doing something wrong... or I just don't understand the secrets. which is it?

p.s.
so far all the 100% scan sites, ded complexes and radars, mags have come up with squat isk wise (less then 10 mil each). The only faction loot in a month of running these sites has been some ammo, and crapy items. I have noticed I might get a faction spawn 1:20-25 sites. is this normal too? I have yet to see a belt rat faction spawn.

You sound really mad, and I'm not sure why. There's a difference between running 2 accounts and the 50 alts that your wild imagination leads you to claim. You're crying about your unfair disadvantage because you don't have the wherewithal and basic intelligence to multi-task 2 combat characters or even 1 combat and 1 scout. It's really not that difficult and you really are at a disadvantage if you're not willing to put in the effort. But keep crying for CCP to hand you the keys to lowsec so you can farm it all day like you do your Level 4 missions. Or maybe you should just stay in highsec, you seem much more suited for that life.

edit: Besides, alts do a lot of things, but saying they give an "unfair advantage" when the best of us are using them and you also have every opportunity to use them as well is just plain dumb.

I have a life to attend to outside Eve and I don't have time to bother with a million alts at a time like some other unemployed parasites around here.

I have work to go to, bills to pay, a fiance to keep satisfied, etc.

When you finally get out of your mom's basement you will see how life works for those of us that are not socially supported parasites that play pretend internet spaceships 24/7.

Also, multiboxing and running many alts at a time doesn't require any kind of intelligence, just a lot of free time, having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you?

Nobody cares that you have an awfuljob, bills to pay and your fiance is hard to satisfy. Cry more. None of those factors determines your ability, or lack thereof, to micromanage an additional character in addition to your main. Many of us are able handle our business outside the game then multi-box with ease when we're in the game. You're a joke for thinking this is difficult, time-consuming or impossible for somebody with such a burdensome life as you claim to have.

Now you begin to realise the problen with high sec. Risk vs reward is all f'd up

I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe.

I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see.

I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe.

I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see.

I make 63000 NOK a month, try harder plebe.

I'd rather make real money than pretend ISK, and that takes time and effort in reality, you know, that world outside your mother's house that you never see.

It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered.

You must be a dumb American.

You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes?

Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year.

In what world is that poor?

The 5/10 and up sites are great but they are of course rare. If you really go out and try to hunt them, you may find one a week.

Also, multiboxing and running many alts at a time doesn't require any kind of intelligence, just a lot of free time,

having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you?

How do you make isk in lowsec?


I have been running sites, ratting belts, and the occasional pvp....yet i made a crap ton more money in high sec running missions. Now I just don't understand. Either i am doing something wrong... or I just don't understand the secrets. which is it?

p.s.
so far all the 100% scan sites, ded complexes and radars, mags have come up with squat isk wise (less then 10 mil each). The only faction loot in a month of running these sites has been some ammo, and crapy items. I have noticed I might get a faction spawn 1:20-25 sites. is this normal too? I have yet to see a belt rat faction spawn.

You must be a dumb American.

You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes?

Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year.

In what world is that poor?

its poor here in America.
If you only make that much a year you suck and nobody will be your friend cuz you're nasty and dirty.
I'm still in my tweens and I make more than that, play EVE (1char) has wife (no babies because **** that I got **** to do)
pay bills, go running, and go to school at night. QQ more poorguy
EVE is meant to be time consuming, just like (don't hate) WoW was years ago, and EQ etc.
Then everyone grew up and started bitching that they couldn't get gear because they couldn't spend 40+ hours a week in MC
So, they made it to where you log on and free epics.
Please don't make EVE become "log on for free titans" or I will personally tell you you are a weenie and laugh at you.

You must be a dumb American.

You do realize that 63000 NOK means $10432 yes?

Or, as you dumb Americans measure it, about $130.000 per year.

In what world is that poor?

No I read it right. 10k a month, 130k a year.
not alot >.>

No I read it right. 10k a month, 130k a year.
not alot >.>

The average is so low in America because we have half the country being supported by the other half.e.g. welfare

How does running a lot of alts require more spare time than running one account? Actually it saves you time - Whilst my hauler transfers trade goods from one hub to another, I scan for plexes in low whilst fitting a ship Id like to try for running the site on the third.

Now doing all that using one character - that certainly requires a lot of time. Time I simply do not have due to working 60-80 hours a week.





Wow - you finished college? How did you do that?

It's no surprise you're angry. Could you please tell me what it's like to be poor, I've often wondered.

having a job and making money in reality and finishing college requires intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you?

The average is so low in America because we have half the country being supported by the other half.e.g. welfare

Where I come from, College is not like in America where any ****** that can barely read / spell or do basic math graduates.

Your college is our 6-8th grade.

I'm impressed.

You do realize that in European countries that's a lot. But that's also because many state subsidized services are dirt cheap. If you earn 10k $ a month you belong to the upper middle class over here.



Depends on the degree.



I have nothing against the US but that sounds wrong on many levels. You don't know what supporting the poor even means. Go to northern european countries or France and suddenly you'll realize how little you guys help the poor.

We should not help the poor at all.
They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature.
I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ******* really sucks.

We should not help the poor at all.
They can't feed themselves? Too bad. Natural selection at work. Why stop nature.
I feel sorry that you have to support the poor even more than we do because I know getting a 3rd of my paycheck every week taken to pay for some lazy ******* really sucks.

To be fair, your universities are where **** starts getting interesting.

But college is just bullshit over there.

I agree.

My salary is supposed to actually be closer to $16000 per month, but guess who gets taxed to **** to support all the parasites.

I probably feed 10 unemployed immigrant parasites for a month from my taxes.

But then again Norway is known for having ridiculous tax rates and giving "help and shelter" to all the useless "refugee" trash from across Europe, Africa and the Middle East.

I wouldn't know about that - I didn't get past elementary school because I never managed to learn reading or writing.




On a side note, everyone posting about his wage and educational level on Eve GD should apply to my corp






On another side note, I'm Austrian...

Poor little you. So, what's it like?

Pretty cool, just bought another speedboat. Why do you ask?

A small boat I guess, you being poor would mean low funds for such things. What a shame.

I just wanted to know what it was like being poor, now you've given me insight. Thank you.

Wait, that means...

****.

I got trolled didn't I?

wish I was on my home comp
would have good rebuttal

Yes, only 6 meters long, very small, it was cheap too.

Glad to have helped, you are welcome!

It's Okay, not all of us can afford a server farm and 3 gaming computers and 2 Laptops.
By all of us I mean all of you people down there in the ghetto.

3. Generals4: roughly 10% of your paycheck goes to the poor (and rich) elderly. You don't get that back in taxes. If you are receiving financial support (grants) rom the academic institution they are paying it (which is would be in your pocket if they didn't have to pay it).

god OP, why did you post this in gd instead of C&P?

lots of ways to make isk (hand over fist) if your dedicated. Most outlined by the guy who brought up lvl 5's and fw. Almost all of the reposes in this thread of course assume you have to pve to make isk. No joke, after taking losses into account i usually make about 200m a month pvp'ing (ransoms and mod drops) from solo, 1 account pvp (not a lot, but enough to sustain myself and then do something stupid with the remainder).

To all the trolls.
1. Most undergraduate US college programs are simply there to make money, but your a FOOL if you think that there are not a large number of universities that are among the best in the world in their respective fields.

2. The phrase "a lot of money" is relative, why are you arguing about who's imaginary bank account is bigger. Oh right, it GD i forgot

3. Generals4: roughly 10% of your paycheck goes to the poor (and rich) elderly. You don't get that back in taxes. If you are receiving financial support (grants) rom the academic institution they are paying it (which is would be in your pocket if they didn't have to pay it).

4. Freezehunter: nothing all to great comes out of Norwegian academia, so i would be careful before putting your counties educational standards on a pedestal. The fact that you need ppl to respect your real income (let alone seeking it from ppl on a game forum) shows that you are no different than the tossers trolling what could have been an interesting thread.

ONWARDS GD! Troll away

I'm at werk you terd, my home comp has lulzy pictures to post but I'm too lazy to search them.
Got that branch out of your ass yet?

Did your parents educate you? Because where i come from we look down on people who brag about their wealth. We call them arrogant snobs. And when done on a random internet forum the adjective "pathetic" can be added to that.



I'm not sure to what you refer.

Is that a 3rd world country? Because I seem to only see bragging to this extent (in person) from Mexicans.
The ones who can afford to go to school and **** are always flaunting it like it actually matters and talk about the general area they are from as if that attributes anything whatsoever in anyway to them....but it doesn't so its complete lulz

EDIT: I am meaning the mexicans in mexico. (i have a house just south of the border I visit ocassionally)

Is that a 3rd world country? Because I seem to only see bragging to this extent (in person) from Mexicans.
The ones who can afford to go to school and **** are always flaunting it like it actually matters and talk about the general area they are from as if that attributes anything whatsoever in anyway to them....but it doesn't so its complete lulz

EDIT: I am meaning the mexicans in mexico. (i have a house just south of the border I visit ocassionally)

But then again Norway is known for having ridiculous tax rates and giving "help and shelter" to all the useless "refugee" trash from across Europe, Africa and the Middle East.

Actually I am Romanian, I just moved here

simple solution.. buff lowsec income.

in order of risk (least->most)

highsec, sov nullsec, npc nullsec, lowsec.

We've had enough mudflation in EVE, thanks to the introduction of incursions and migrating drones from alloys to bounties. It makes more sense to nerf high sec income than buff low/null sec income. The problem is that people oppose a nerf more than they oppose a buff, so it will probably never happen.

That and poor, it's a real shame.

I am not a refugee and I am not unemployed.
I am talking about all the Muslims and other parasite races that only move to Norway to make babies and get citizenship, so that they can make more babies and leech some more social support off the state.

Those I have a problem with.

You're either trying to hard to troll or an actual Nasi. There are no such things as parasite races regardless of what is written in Mein Kampf.

I am not a refugee and I am not unemployed.
I am talking about all the Muslims and other parasite races that only move to Norway to make babies and get citizenship, so that they can make more babies and leech some more social support off the state.

Those I have a problem with.

Also, nice failure to quote me properly, idiot.

I said "Actually I am Romanian, i just moved here to be a programmer".

Learn to quote or GTFO plebe.

not parasitic races...but parasitic people. and lots of them, its like bedbugs in human form.

How did I fail to quote you exactly? They were your words, not mine. I simply quoted the relevant parts.

So are you saying that Muslims are a race and also parasites?

Really?

Well come live where I live and when you will see 50 Muslims and Blacks gathering around malls doing absolutely ******* nothing every day except loitering and making noise and leeching off your taxes, you will agree with me.

I have no tolerance for parasites in any form, when I will have children I will not even tolerate them as parasites, if they can't get a job within 6 months of finishing college/high school, tough luck, they are not living under my roof anymore.

You edited my quote and put it out of context, don't play dumb.

Oh but we have those too. But we also have plenty of North Africans and Black people who work hard and contribute.

You did say you moved there and became a programmer. Just thought mentioning that would add to your anguish, what with already being poor and a useless refugee. I'll be far more honest next time. My bad.

How do you make isk in lowsec?


I have been running sites, ratting belts, and the occasional pvp....yet i made a crap ton more money in high sec running missions. Now I just don't understand. Either i am doing something wrong... or I just don't understand the secrets. which is it?

p.s.
so far all the 100% scan sites, ded complexes and radars, mags have come up with squat isk wise (less then 10 mil each). The only faction loot in a month of running these sites has been some ammo, and crapy items. I have noticed I might get a faction spawn 1:20-25 sites. is this normal too? I have yet to see a belt rat faction spawn.

Do you even know what a refugee is you idiot?

I said I moved there and became a programmer as in I WAS ALREADY A PROGRAMMER and got a job in Norway.

JEEZ, typical example of American college education, a moron that doesn't have basic reading comprehension.

Do you even know what a refugee is you idiot?

I said I moved there and became a programmer as in I WAS ALREADY A PROGRAMMER and got a job in Norway.

JEEZ, typical example of American college education, a moron that doesn't have basic reading comprehension.

Your a refugee? Poor guy :(

Yes, you were a useless one before you became a programmer. It's all clear now, thank you.

nvm too many trlz

A programmer is a programmer even if his actual job is not programming, genius.

Yes and you became one in Norway after being a useless refugee. We know, Thank you.

Well personally, I just look at everyone else as objects that can be used for either my enjoyment, benefit or personal use.

Fiance is basically a flashy expensive sex toy with big ****.

Family is a bunch of parasites I never call or give money to.

All that matters is me.

Me. Me. Me.

And you know what? It's working out well for me.

Wait.... your a refugee????????????????????????????? Poor guy..... so many refugee problems =/

Wait.... your a refugee????????????????????????????? Poor guy..... so many refugee problems =/

Before you learn to use proper grammar and spell words correctly, for example "your" as in "belonging to you" and "you're" as in YOU ARE, I will not even bother to be bothered by your inane subhuman-level IQ and puns.

Try harder.

Rome?

Your Geographical knowledge is even lower than your IQ!

Congratulations on being the perfect Americunt.

Anyhoo, I have to go swimming, cya dumb bitches later!

o7

lmao I knew the your would get him :) anyways back to your refugee problems, so... The way to solve being a refugee, move back to rome?

quoteception???

edit: it changed back disregard! andyways, wait your swimming back to italy?

That was your failure to quote properly, not mine, I just replied.

Post with Freezehunter's bad quoting skills.

seems like moderator are off for a long weekend but glad to see how fast a discussion about "low vs highsec income" can turn into "who has more money irl"

A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something.

its poor here in America.
If you only make that much a year you suck and nobody will be your friend cuz you're nasty and dirty.
I'm still in my tweens and I make more than that, play EVE (1char) has wife (no babies because **** that I got **** to do)
pay bills, go running, and go to school at night. QQ more poorguy
EVE is meant to be time consuming, just like (don't hate) WoW was years ago, and EQ etc.
Then everyone grew up and started bitching that they couldn't get gear because they couldn't spend 40+ hours a week in MC
So, they made it to where you log on and free epics.
Please don't make EVE become "log on for free titans" or I will personally tell you you are a weenie and laugh at you.

Actually i was able to make lots of isks with lowsec explo. 5/10 - 6/10 DED sites are pretty lucrative. The issue is that it is rlly random and nowadays too many people are doing explo which severely crippled my explo income. Hence why i switched back to FW LP as a source of income. Back when i used explo as my source of income i'd maybe encounter a couple of fellow explorators a day nowadays every hour one comes by and scans.



No sir. The problem is not High Sec, it's lowsec.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that NOK 1.00 goes a lot further in Norway then USD 1.00 does in USA

This thread has become about using fiances as expensive sex toys and hating on immigrants. Can we get a lock?

This thread has become about using fiances as expensive sex toys and hating on immigrants. Can we get a lock?

[/Me dons Tippia-hat]

How so?

Or I should just categorically say, "Not so:"

Losec explo is actually one of the very few properly balanced risk/reward axii in the game at present, the other being wormholes.

But exploration is a very unstable source of income. To be totally honest i would go as far as saying that it is broken as a primary source of income unless you're alone doing it. You can spend hours scanning and find nothing worth the efforts and than you might find a good DED which drops only crap loot.

What lowsec needs is a decent primary source of income, one that isn't terribly random and extremely dependent on competition, only a couple of dedicated explorers can already totally ruin your income.

Don't get me wrong, explo is a fun way of earning isks when you're bored doing what you usually do to get isks but if it's the only thing you can do to earn isks you might end up space-poor.

I'd tell you how and where to make isk in lowsec, but then i'd have to kill you because you're in my sites.

Low sec exploration pays way more than high sec exploration and since it can be run in smaller, nimbler ships, it's not nearly as problematic as lvl4 missions. The trouble is it's really hit or miss. The 5/10 and up sites are great but they are of course rare. If you really go out and try to hunt them, you may find one a week. Yes you'll make a billion isk off it on average, but a billion over the course of a week of probing and hopping around isn't actually a whole lot of isk compared to farming endless incursion sites or high sec lvl4's. But at least it isn't so boring.