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Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 56	Posted - 2012.07.31 04:46:00 - [1] - Quote (no, I don't care if someone already posted this somewhere) Let's face it. Ratting for security status sucks. It can take hours just to gain 1.0 sec status. Since CONCORD is what punishes you for entering high security space with a low security status, the most logical solution in line with my subject title is to be able to pay CONCORD some ISK for security status points. Not only is this a fairly logical solution, but it also involves enough realism to actually make some sense. Police, judges, all sorts of officials have been paid off in the past, so it's not entirely unlikely that you may be able to find a special CONCORD agent somewhere who will change your numbers in the books if you grease his/her palms a little. But wait! There's more! We all know EvE is incredibly imbalanced when it comes to ISK faucets vs. ISK sinks. Now, I would leave it to CCP to decide fair prices for this, but it could potentially be something like the following(numbers are just an example): Dudeguy has -10.0 security status. However, he may be tired of being a full-fledged pirate and want to settle down for a life of peaceful mining because he is getting old and boring. A certain CONCORD agent may be available, in a CONCORD system station, to help him with this issue for the right price. After considering his alternative of shooting rats for weeks on end, he decides to use some of his fat cash and go with the...less boring solution. He pays the CONCORD agent 20m ISK per 1.0 sec status just to get back up to 0. He pays 200m ISK and presto bang-o! He's no longer an outlaw! A large amount of players in EvE have some intensely fat wallets, and this doesn't exclude pirates. This would be a totally optional feature that simply offered itself to those who can afford it(a lot of people). You would still be able to spend countless hours jumping from system to system and killing 1 cruiser if that was your fancy.
Balthazar Weston The TERRA Guardians of Serenity 3	Posted - 2012.07.31 04:58:00 - [2] - Quote I think, not straight isk for sec status... but maybe Low Sec Conchord agents who have anti-pirate missions.... instead of getting isk and lp for rewards, you get straight sec status. So therefore, you mission in low sec with Conchord agents, killing pirates.. and get Sec Status rewards instead of isk or LP. I think it works. You're kinda proving ot Conchord that you're willing to kill pirates, and make up for your wrongs.
Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 56	Posted - 2012.07.31 05:02:00 - [3] - Quote Balthazar Weston wrote: I think, not straight isk for sec status... but maybe Low Sec Conchord agents who have anti-pirate missions.... instead of getting isk and lp for rewards, you get straight sec status. So therefore, you mission in low sec with Conchord agents, killing pirates.. and get Sec Status rewards instead of isk or LP. I think it works. You're kinda proving ot Conchord that you're willing to kill pirates, and make up for your wrongs. I understand the thinking behind your suggestion, but you technically already do that when you kill rats at the belts. And missioning is a monotonous task that people with more dynamic personas, such as myself, really hate doing. This is a much easier solution that isn't so incredibly time-consuming. A large portion of the player base doesn't like missioning, so the best solution would be an option that is agreeable to everyone. EDIT: The perspective I look at it from is this: What solution would satisfy the largest number of people in the most efficient way possible?
159Pinky Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:25:00 - [4] - Quote The sec status also shows other players what kind of opponent they're dealing with. You're looking for the easiest way out to look innocent. If you wanna have good standings: work for them!
Wrath22 tech-legion AAA Citizens 6	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:32:00 - [5] - Quote NO! bad post, bad. It would be to easy to abuse the system so i vote no.
Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 56	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:36:00 - [6] - Quote 159Pinky wrote: The sec status also shows other players what kind of opponent they're dealing with. You're looking for the easiest way out to look innocent. If you wanna have good standings: work for them! No, it doesn't. Killboards do that. Sec status is absolutely meaningless when determining what sort of opponent you're up against. A person with negative sec status may be a pirate. But in certain cases they may not. A really common example is a pirate with a clone in 0.0. He will jump to his bear clone and rat for ISK, getting his sec status to 2.0 or more, then when he comes back how do you judge what opponent you're up against? My intentions are as stated in the OP. Don't try to put words in my mouth by telling me what my intentions are.
Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 56	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:37:00 - [7] - Quote Wrath22 wrote: NO! bad post, bad. It would be to easy to abuse the system so i vote no. Unless you are willing to state examples, don't even bother posting these stupid comments. How could the system be abused? It's pretty damn straightforward.
Katie Frost Asgard. Exodus. 81	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:45:00 - [8] - Quote The current sec-gaining system really makes little sense. It forces grinding on the population which primarily does not want to grind i.e. PvPers. I would prefer that the source of sec-loss is addressed, but something like this wouldn't be too bad either.
Freir Atram Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:40:00 - [9] - Quote Chicken Pizza wrote: Dudeguy has -10.0 security status. However, he may be tired of being a full-fledged pirate and want to settle down for a life of peaceful mining because he is getting old and boring. A certain CONCORD agent may be available, in a CONCORD system station, to help him with this issue for the right price. After considering his alternative of shooting rats for weeks on end, he decides to use some of his fat cash and go with the...less boring solution. He pays the CONCORD agent 20m ISK per 1.0 sec status just to get back up to 0. He pays 200m ISK and presto bang-o! He's no longer an outlaw! LOL Dudeguy (ex suicide ganker) wants to settle down for a peaceful life of mining. Isn't that ironic? 200 mil for -10 sec stat to 0.0 ? ??? Look at Dudeguy's Killboard and sum up the destroyed Hulks and Retrievers e.c.t. There is your price. Im shure you can blow up a lot of Hulks until u get -10 sec stat. No offense Chicken Pizza, i just thought this is pretty funny.
Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 56	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:51:00 - [10] - Quote EDIT: erps.

Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 56	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:52:00 - [11] - Quote Freir Atram wrote: LOL Dudeguy (ex suicide ganker) wants to settle down for a peaceful life of mining. Isn't that ironic? 200 mil for -10 sec stat to 0.0 ? ??? Look at Dudeguy's Killboard and sum up the destroyed Hulks and Retrievers e.c.t. There is your price. Im shure you can blow up a lot of Hulks until u get -10 sec stat. No offense Chicken Pizza, i just thought this is pretty funny. Don't take the figures seriously, though. They were just example numbers.
StoneCold House of Sparrows 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:53:00 - [12] - Quote Redundant ideas are... well... redundant. Chicken Pizza wrote: After considering his alternative of shooting rats for weeks on end, he decides to use so[...] [...]for 1 or 2 weekends[...] fixed it for you.
Freir Atram Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:58:00 - [13] - Quote Don't take the figures seriously, though. They were just example numbers.[/quote] Hehe, I thought so.
Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 56	Posted - 2012.07.31 09:01:00 - [14] - Quote StoneCold wrote: [...]for 1 or 2 weekends[...] fixed it for you. Prove it. Go get -10 and rat for 2 weekends, we'll see how far you get. And Fridays aren't part of the weekend.
StoneCold House of Sparrows 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 09:04:00 - [15] - Quote I don-¦t have to proof anything to you. I was 5 or 6 times at -10. Hint: mission running is worst thing to do for getting your secstatus up.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 196	Posted - 2012.07.31 09:18:00 - [16] - Quote No. Your idea has been brought up before, shot down before and gone away before. EvE is a game which has consequence to your actions. What you're suggesting is effectively pay to win. If you want to act like a ** you can but you have to pay for it in negative sec status. The negative sec status and everything that comes with it is the direct consequence of you attacking people illegally. Any argument of "but I can do this now" falls flat on it's face because you can but the chain of consequence still exists at the moment. In order to do something about your negative sec status you need to put in actual effort. If you were allowed to remove your sec status with isk you're removing the consequence of your actions. You're suggesting allowing people to bypass the consequence chain by buying isk with real money and using the isk to remove the consequence of being a **. You might be stupidly rich and not have to use actual real money but if the system is changed for you that is precisely what you are allowing others to do. No to P2W. No to allowing people to avoid the sensible consequences of their actions. No to stupid ideas.
Chicken Pizza Penumbra Institute 58	Posted - 2012.07.31 11:18:00 - [17] - Quote Tchulen wrote: No. Your idea has been brought up before, shot down before and gone away before. EvE is a game which has consequence to your actions. What you're suggesting is effectively pay to win. If you want to act like a ** you can but you have to pay for it in negative sec status. The negative sec status and everything that comes with it is the direct consequence of you attacking people illegally. Any argument of "but I can do this now" falls flat on it's face because you can but the chain of consequence still exists at the moment. In order to do something about your negative sec status you need to put in actual effort. If you were allowed to remove your sec status with isk you're removing the consequence of your actions. You're suggesting allowing people to bypass the consequence chain by buying isk with real money and using the isk to remove the consequence of being a **. You might be stupidly rich and not have to use actual real money but if the system is changed for you that is precisely what you are allowing others to do. No to P2W. No to allowing people to avoid the sensible consequences of their actions. No to stupid ideas. You don't even know what "pay to win" means. The phrase "pay to win" suggests paying real money in order to have an advantage over other players. You don't have any advantage over someone else by having a neutral or positive security status. You also don't pay any real money for it, either. Granted, you can pay real money for PLEX's, sell them, and use the ISK for it, but you can do that with any ISK-related activity, so whatever point you were trying to make about that is effectively null and void. You bypass the consequence chain of having to make ISK the grinding way when you purchase a PLEX and sell it for ISK, but I have yet to see you complaining about that. You bypass the consequence chain of being negative security status and entering high security space by simply using a neutral hauler, yet you aren't complaining about that, either. It sounds to me like you're a regular victim of unfortunate circumstances, and, due to your biased opinion, there is only one acceptable outcome. That's a shame, because if you were open-minded and used more common sense and critical thinking, maybe your killboard wouldn't be so full of wormhole and 0.0 losses. Your opinion isn't qualified here.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 197	Posted - 2012.07.31 12:01:00 - [18] - Quote Chicken Pizza wrote: You don't even know what "pay to win" means. The phrase "pay to win" suggests paying real money in order to have an advantage over other players. You don't have any advantage over someone else by having a neutral or positive security status. You also don't pay any real money for it, either. Granted, you can pay real money for PLEX's, sell them, and use the ISK for it, but you can do that with any ISK-related activity, so whatever point you were trying to make about that is effectively null and void. Suggests but isn't limited to. You're paying for an unfair advantage over other players. You're paying isk (and by that very nature it could well be real money) to avoid the consequences of illegal actions. Just because you might have billions in the bank it doesn't mean that your suggested change wouldn't mean some broke ass guy could just gank to his heart's content and pay to mitigate the consequences with real life money. I know what P2W means thanks, you just don't have the mental faculties to consider it in any other context than the one you read on Wikipedia. So you're saying that a carebear should be able to pay for immunity from PvP? Because at the moment you're saying you should be able to pay to be immune from the consequence of illegal actions. Where's the difference? You want to be immune from the consequence why shouldn't the carebear be able to pay to be immune from the consequence of being shot? Chicken Pizza wrote: You bypass the consequence chain of having to make ISK the grinding way when you purchase a PLEX and sell it for ISK, but I have yet to see you complaining about that. You bypass the consequence chain of being negative security status and entering high security space by simply using a neutral hauler, yet you aren't complaining about that, either. Whether PLEX is a good or a bad thing isn't what's being debated here. Don't try to change the subject. You just want to aboid consequence. That's the point you were trying to make. Be a man and admit it. Whether I complain about using neutral alts is irrelevant to this discussion. Whether I complain about the use of PLEX is irrelevant to this discussion. Please stay on topic. Chicken Pizza wrote: It sounds to me like you're a regular victim of unfortunate circumstances, and, due to your biased opinion, there is only one acceptable outcome. That's a shame, because if you were open-minded and used more common sense and critical thinking, maybe your killboard wouldn't be so full of wormhole and 0.0 losses. Your opinion isn't qualified here. You're obviously deaf then. I just don't like people demanding selfish things that are purely designed so they can avoid having to actually play the game. People like you post these ultra selfish posts that haven't considered the implications of their demands to the game as a whole because they're too self-absorbed to be able to consider anything from outside their selfish little bubbles. It's just a "I WANT I WANT I WANT" childish approach to things. You don't give a crap whether your demands will affect other people playing the game adversely or whether it would break anything else in the game. You just want to avoid the consequences of your actions. As to my killboard, lol. Some of us aren't killboard whores on our non pvp characters. Some of us use one or more of our characters to play semi afk in WHs in cheap ships as the net gain is huge for little effort but inevitably lose a lot of cheap ships. Some of us couldn't give a **** about that. What constitutes a qualified opinion here then? The opinion of someone whining on the forums that they can't avoid the consequences of their actions? Yeah, right. Good one.
A Soporific Old Man Johnson's Bakery Delivery Service 11	Posted - 2012.07.31 14:29:00 - [19] - Quote At the end of the day Security Status is merely a measure of past activity. Do you do piracy over other parts of Eve? That's essentially all the number is. By providing an easy way out of it you render the number functionally meaningless. Given that it's a number with massive significance, rendering it arbitrary is a bad thing. Now, I wouldn't mind having a method for moving up or down the scale faster with a significant investment of time, effort, resources, and cash. Still, if the concept "easy" applies then it'd still be inherently dangerous to the system as a whole.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Ushra'Khan 454	Posted - 2012.07.31 14:57:00 - [20] - Quote Quote: No, it doesn't. Killboards do that. Sec status is absolutely meaningless when determining what sort of opponent you're up against. A person with negative sec status may be a pirate. But in certain cases they may not. A really common example is a pirate with a clone in 0.0. He will jump to his bear clone and rat for ISK, getting his sec status to 2.0 or more, then when he comes back how do you judge what opponent you're up against? Someone with a -5 security status in lowsec is far more likely to be in a ship trying to hunt me than someone with a security status of 3. It doesn't tell you perfectly, but it gives you an idea.

Spr09 East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing 44	Posted - 2012.07.31 15:09:00 - [21] - Quote This is a terrible suggestion. You want positive sec status you can work for that ****.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 9036	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:33:00 - [22] - Quote Chicken Pizza wrote: (no, I don't care if someone already posted this somewhere) Yea they have and it was just as bad as your idea. No. If you want a good sec status, then work for it and don't do naughty things. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 307	Posted - 2012.07.31 17:42:00 - [23] - Quote what's the point of security status if rich players can pay to change it whenever they wish? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Teshania Aliastra Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 18:34:00 - [24] - Quote -1 Paying isk for sec status, umm no. Only way i could even see it remotely possible if it was it went more like. You can improve your sec status by 1.0 per 3 months and it costs a PLEX, And it gets Tracked on your Characters History sheet for the world to see.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 422	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:25:00 - [25] - Quote Isk is very easy to come buy (pun intended). I don't mind offering less "boring" means to increase your sec status up, but straight isk for sec status is NOT the way to go, IMO. A severe negative sec status exists to add consequence for performing "criminal" actions. By moving that to a straight isk cost, you are essentially removing a significant portion of the consequences. For example: Imagine you're a professional highsec freighter ganker. You and your buddies get 10 Tornado's and 2 shot loaded freighters. If you could count your sec status losses as just a blatant part of the isk formula, suddenly you can suicide gank forever, just as long as your rewards cover the cost of security status losses too. This could easily be applied to ganking exhumers too.... I'm personally think security status should evolve to become more engaging. Not some trivial expense you pay off with our profits!!! Think along the lines that encourage player enforcement and activities to reward and/or punish criminals. Ideas like some non-exploitable mechanic where you gain sec status by shooting other players with low sec status. Perhaps lesser NPC penalties, where pirates can fly stuff in highsec space (perhaps chased by faction police instead of concord), yet couple it with harsher Player-oriented penalties.... Perhaps the faction police use a new web-EWAR that increases all ships align times to make them easier to tackle (rather than insta-warps them). Imagine how highsec might change if pod align times were increased to 3ish seconds instead of instant...
ugh zug 27	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:48:00 - [26] - Quote honestly you should be able to pay with isk for anything in the game that NPCs give/have, including but not limited to faction standing, corp standing, sec status, navy fleet escort, loyalty points, etc. we need more isk sinks, and offering shortcuts from grinding is a viable option. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 202	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:06:00 - [27] - Quote ugh zug wrote: honestly you should be able to pay with isk for anything in the game that NPCs give/have, including but not limited to faction standing, corp standing, sec status, navy fleet escort, loyalty points, etc. we need more isk sinks, and offering shortcuts from grinding is a viable option. Want me to shut up? Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. I'd say from your sig that the best thing to do with your opinions is ignore them.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective 2079	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:16:00 - [28] - Quote One plus side is this would serve to reduce one isk faucet while adding a new isk sink. It would have to be VERY expensive to keep gankers from abusing it though. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 871	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:29:00 - [29] - Quote I vote No. If you are not willing to do the time, do not do the crime. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
A Soporific Old Man Johnson's Bakery Delivery Service 17	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:41:00 - [30] - Quote There is a difference between using isk to shortcut grind and breaking the mechanic altogether. There are plenty of high sec methods to get money that need to have a substantial penalty to keep in check. Security Status plays that role now. This would remove that role from Security Status and would call the function of Security Status into question altogether. It's SUPPOSED to be hard to change Security Status because it's SUPPOSED to be an aggregate of your long-term habits. Offering an easy out is a bad idea because it allows manipulation of that long term average to the point of meaninglessness. I agree that most things should be buyable with ISK. There are some things that would not work that way. This is one of them.



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