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Opusmind
Stripper Mine Co. The Strangers.
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:25:00 -
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Are anyone else also experiencing that the Asteroid Belts didn't get refreshed/respawned during Server Downtime just now?
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Shiiquong
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:28:00 -
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confirmed, for several systems
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SamHouston
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:28:00 -
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yep, no respawn whatsoever
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Nii Ness
Situational Transport and Ingenious Gathering
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:08:00 -
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Yeah nothing in domain region got respawn
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: SamHouston yep, no respawn whatsoever
That's it man, game over man, game over! What the **** are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: SamHouston yep, no respawn whatsoever
That's it man, game over man, game over! What the **** are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
Something actually fun?
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Azureite
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:20:00 -
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I can confirm none of this. More to follow...
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:23:00 -
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Someone has to inform mister Chribba and I'm not doing it.
/me runs off
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Noun Verber
Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: SamHouston yep, no respawn whatsoever
That's it man, game over man, game over! What the **** are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
Something actually fun?
+1
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Ardanon
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:55:00 -
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CCP have made changes so that hi-sec belts only respawn once a week, this is to buff lowsec. source
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Shazi Mavox
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:28:00 -
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Is it really a "buff" if all they did was "nerf" something else?
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:48:00 -
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Planets haven't loaded and if you look on the map you'll see that you can warp to moons but not to the planets themselves.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: SamHouston yep, no respawn whatsoever
That's it man, game over man, game over! What the **** are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
*Clicky*
If you're reading this, you've read too far and now you're on my sig. Concentrate on what I said before you got to this bit. Ok? |
Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:19:00 -
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GM Grave
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey Planets haven't loaded and if you look on the map you'll see that you can warp to moons but not to the planets themselves.
If anyone is experiencing issues regarding planets today, can they please file a stuck petition for the attention of GM Grave. You can do this in game using any affected characters or by visiting https://support.eveonline.com/Pages/Login.aspx
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grave
Originally by: Taser Monkey Planets haven't loaded and if you look on the map you'll see that you can warp to moons but not to the planets themselves.
If anyone is experiencing issues regarding planets today, can they please file a stuck petition for the attention of GM Grave. You can do this in game using any affected characters or by visiting https://support.eveonline.com/Pages/Login.aspx
Ignoring the OP's question, is this tacit 'sod off' to miners, cause I didn't see anything that mentioned the change.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran
Originally by: GM Grave
Originally by: Taser Monkey Planets haven't loaded and if you look on the map you'll see that you can warp to moons but not to the planets themselves.
If anyone is experiencing issues regarding planets today, can they please file a stuck petition for the attention of GM Grave. You can do this in game using any affected characters or by visiting https://support.eveonline.com/Pages/Login.aspx
Ignoring the OP's question, is this tacit 'sod off' to miners, cause I didn't see anything that mentioned the change.
I doubt it. They rarely change something like this at a completely random time. Now, if it were right after an expansion, or with another patch.. maybe..
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Joe SMASH on 26/09/2010 17:27:49 GET IN THE CAR STAN!!! WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!! -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.26 18:13:00 -
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It would be great if the belts would take weeks, if not a month, to respawn.
No more high sec mining bots.
(though I would miss the faction spawns they don't loot because evidently they are not programmed to loot the rats).
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rekcuf bmuD
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Posted - 2010.09.26 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shazi Mavox Is it really a "buff" if all they did was "nerf" something else?
Anything that nerfs macro mining is fine by me
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.26 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran Ignoring the OP's question, is this tacit 'sod off' to miners, cause I didn't see anything that mentioned the change.
This..
How hard would it have been to take this rumor,assuming it is one,out of the world?Was there a change or not?
This..is why I keep saying their motto is "silence is golden".
Its so annoying.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.26 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Bhattran Ignoring the OP's question, is this tacit 'sod off' to miners, cause I didn't see anything that mentioned the change.
This..
How hard would it have been to take this rumor,assuming it is one,out of the world?Was there a change or not?
This..is why I keep saying their motto is "silence is golden".
Its so annoying.
CCP is more vocal and involved in their communities than most other game companies... Though they still make some stupid decisions.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.26 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Bhattran Ignoring the OP's question, is this tacit 'sod off' to miners, cause I didn't see anything that mentioned the change.
This..
How hard would it have been to take this rumor,assuming it is one,out of the world?Was there a change or not?
This..is why I keep saying their motto is "silence is golden".
Its so annoying.
CCP is more vocal and involved in their communities than most other game companies... Though they still make some stupid decisions.
Yes you say that in every post where I talk about it..think this is thread #3?
They were posting and still didnt spit it out..call it what you want but thats not involved.So stick I ask you..how hard could it be..to add to that post and say "no change has been made"?
But really..the more I think about it,I really dont care.
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Carola Kessler
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Posted - 2010.09.27 04:28:00 -
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Yeah.....seems soon the Asteroid belts are all empty and the Miners (the true real miners) can all either sit in the Station docks and playing thumbs or going on Vacation, so except the one Answer from a GM CCP doesn't have to say more things in regards to this matter huh?!
SO WTF is that about?....Is this a real change to the Behauviour Asteroid Belts are now or just a misstake done by one from the Devs forgetting switching back on the Belt respawning timer or whatsoever?
If this is a change like one above posted a buff to the lowsec systems i.g. a try from CCP to get Miners going to low to mine there i just can say FORGET IT....most Miners aren't even capable to figth nor have a decent amount of combat skills nor anything else, they will rather die like flies in a candle ligth then efficent getting any Ore home since most the Lowsec systems are occupied by roaming pirate gangs which killing everything they'll get in sigth or tries to enter their systems through the jumpgates!
So yeah if this really a change to the Asteroid respawn behauviour.....the mining as profession is in verge to die and expect soon the incoming aftershocks if this stays as it is now.
*End of Rant*
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yourdoingitwrong
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Posted - 2010.09.27 04:36:00 -
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eve is totally perfect stop whining. Nothing needs to change about it evur.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.27 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer It would be great if the belts would take weeks, if not a month, to respawn.
They used to be that way, and mining corps just cleaned everything out in the first couple days after spawning, leaving dead belts everywhere for ages.
Quote: No more high sec mining bots.
How? They'd be on the belts when they respawned with everyone else. It would also make their ore more valuable, and cause them to spend less time making as much isk. Leaving more spare time for them to do whatever other things people obsess about bots doing.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.27 05:18:00 -
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I got 3b invested in the market right now, I fully endorse CCP mineral amount sabotage so the ships all go waaaaay up like Vengeances did after the rocket fix announcement
So happy I jumped on that one, Ka-ching! Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.09.27 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Carola Kessler stuff
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.27 05:33:00 -
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ITT: A bunch of butthurt carebears who don't realize this is a PvP with a little PvE added in for flav0r. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:09:00 -
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Spot reserved for wall of laughter if it happens again on the next down time.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:09:00 -
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stealth macro nerf --
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.27 08:00:00 -
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muahahahaha
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:19:00 -
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Hi sec roids should stop respawning, completely. Spawn on demand pockets with BC sized NPCs would make botters life harder. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha with BC sized NPCs
No.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac stealth macro nerf
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha with BC sized NPCs
No.
Why no?
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.27 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile Why no?
Because rookies don't need battlecruiser rats destroying their ships when they decide to embark on a mining career.
Because this "hide asteroid belts and add stronger rats" suggestion that's been floating around is stupid.
Because fundamentally altering a huge area of the game that's been the way it is since 2003 is inadvisable.
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Draconigea
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Posted - 2010.09.27 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Serpents smile Why no?
Because this "hide asteroid belts and add stronger rats" suggestion that's been floating around is stupid.
Hmmmm hiding at once wouldn't be that bad. Scanning has its own tutorial and every noob should be able to do it. But there have to be much much more hidden belts than now. If you just hide the belts that are now visible and change the position every DT it would be ok for me. (Quite easy to scann with low skills) But the macros would get heavy problems...
Greetings Draco
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Captain Torgo
The Geedunk Expedition
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Posted - 2010.09.27 12:25:00 -
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I'm going to laugh and watch all the botters warp back and forth to empty belts all day.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.09.27 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba muahahahaha
Confirming Chribba has either lost his mind or keeps a grim sense of humor in these times of great agony.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.27 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cebraio
Originally by: Chribba muahahahaha
Confirming Chribba has either lost his mind or keeps a grim sense of humor in these times of great agony.
Think
Who has the largest stockpile of veldspar?
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:00:00 -
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So did the belts respawn today? I want to know if I should start offloading my massive mineral stocks into an increasing market. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Carola Kessler Yeah.....seems soon the Asteroid belts are all empty and the Miners (the true real miners) can all...
...move to 0.0 where the true real miners live...
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Simon Angle
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:42:00 -
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Today they respawned, but many belts are still "slim" (Domain region). I hope that it was only a 1-day mistake... I will like someone from CCP to reassure us about this problem. |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Angle Today they respawned, but many belts are still "slim" (Domain region). I hope that it was only a 1-day mistake... I will like someone from CCP to reassure us about this problem.
Lets hope they stay slim. Better for the miners, better for the builders.
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rekcuf bmuD
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Posted - 2010.09.27 15:07:00 -
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Just make all hisec belts 'hidden', so you'd have to scan them down every day, and they 'respawn' daily so that you cant make a bm and have it last more than a day. That way the macroers will have to actually be at their screen to scan it down.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.27 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: rekcuf bmuD Just make all hisec belts 'hidden', so you'd have to scan them down every day, and they 'respawn' daily so that you cant make a bm and have it last more than a day. That way the macroers will have to actually be at their screen to scan it down.
That's a great idea, but people are still going to imagine every miner is using macros. It's like those people who start thinking everyone around them is a shapeshifting reptilian in human form. You can try to reason with them, but when it comes down to it they want to believe that.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Azshann
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Posted - 2010.09.27 15:19:00 -
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Obviously CCP is going to ban every active miner who didn't complain in this thread or via petition for macro mining!
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Sorru
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:02:00 -
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Happened to me too , not the entire system ,just a couple of belts. Should be fixed by tomorrows downtime, but until then I think I'm gonna do some sweet mining.
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coolzero
Gallente Dutch Federation Player Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH So did the belts respawn today? I want to know if I should start offloading my massive mineral stocks into an increasing market.
not for me.... second day now respawns are horrid
and what respawned is very low..like plagio i have usualy roids of 40 to 60k all that respawn now is at most 15k.
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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DonHel
Gallente Kentucky Fried Capsuleer
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: rekcuf bmuD Just make all hisec belts 'hidden', so you'd have to scan them down every day, and they 'respawn' daily so that you cant make a bm and have it last more than a day. That way the macroers will have to actually be at their screen to scan it down.
That's a great idea, but people are still going to imagine every miner is using macros. It's like those people who start thinking everyone around them is a shapeshifting reptilian in human form. You can try to reason with them, but when it comes down to it they want to believe that.
LOL , * starts looking at miner alt.. You macroing you p.o.s , i know you are!
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Oorestes
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari ITT: A bunch of butthurt carebears who don't realize this is a PvP with a little PvE added in for flav0r.
Really? What game are you playing? Last time I checked the majority of people playing Eve were doing it in high sec.
If this is some misguided attempt to force people who are averse to pvp into lower security zones it will fail.
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Lady Cazana
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari ITT: A bunch of butthurt carebears who don't realize this is a PvP with a little PvE added in for flav0r.
realy? you mean Orca and soon to be incursion expansion salvaging ship are realy bad ass micro titans under disguise?
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Caldari citizen52145894561
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha with BC sized NPCs
No.
Why no?
Me sais yes in belts everything below 1.0
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:11:00 -
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Maybe they're just watching for ships that warp to the same empty field repeatedly today :P
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sue denim
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:14:00 -
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All these amazing suggestions... that probably will only temporarily stop macros then they'll come back and mining will just be annoying.
GJ guys, your fixing the game, pat yourselves on the back.
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DonHel
Gallente Kentucky Fried Capsuleer
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari ITT: A bunch of butthurt carebears who don't realize this is a PvP with a little PvE added in for flav0r.
how do you get your ships and guns and module you pvp with? got some secret little location that spawns it for you?..... carebears own eve, way more then there is pvp.. i cant do it, i tried myself lol but pvp always calls lol
* looks at miner alt again, "what are u good for.. better train for logistic ship or something man, put some work in"
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari ITT: A bunch of butthurt carebears who don't realize this is a PvP with a little PvE added in for flav0r.
QFT. After all...look at the press release for Incursion:
Quote: EVE Online«: Incursion will feature the escalating attacks of the deadly Sansha's Nation which is bent on instituting its own utopia and exacting vengeance against the pilots who stand in its way. Pilots can join public fleets and co-operate to destroy the Sansha incursions and return the universe to normal, receiving wealthy bounties, earning loyalty rewards and high commendation.
Hmmm....sounds like Player-with-Player (PwP) interaction.
Well, what about...
Quote: CCP's Carbon character technology for fresh pilot portraits
and
Quote: a Sansha Mothership, Fighterbomber, the Noctis salvaging vessel
and
Quote: improvements to NPCs and their AI, new coveted loot and rewards, storyline events, amazing new visuals
and of course...
Quote: a more dynamic and simplified system for Planetary Interaction.
But wait...there's more...let's not forget..
Quote: EVE Gate, the web-based social networking platform for pilots, sees improvements and additions
And, in summary:
Quote: "Incursion marks a point where our PVE experience moves towards the co-operative roots of EVE and the largest introduction of our Carbon Technology platform to date. Never before have so many players and developers contributed to EVE's living universe", says Sr. Producer Arnar Gylfason.
See? Incursion proves that Eve is all about the PvP.
KB
=vinur allra manna
I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Cazana
Originally by: Mutant Caldari ITT: A bunch of butthurt carebears who don't realize this is a PvP with a little PvE added in for flav0r.
realy? you mean Orca and soon to be incursion expansion salvaging ship are realy bad ass micro titans under disguise?
I would be lying if I said I never used an Orca for PvP. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Lady Parity
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:28:00 -
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Quote: Belts didn't get refreshed during Server Downtime
Unholy Rage II! - Where CCP removes rats and asteroids to counter automation
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:38:00 -
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Regardless of 'I'm Eve', 'NO I'm Eve' BS an intentional nerf to mining like this is a kick to the crotch of miners who already have a boring experience and a low isk/hr return rate, they could look forward to wasting time searching for roids to mine, then trying to find the most valuable ones, and of course wasting time hauling logistics to said systems. Said ships being anything from mining barges, orca's, industrial ships etc, oh and then they can lose out some more on the refining yield cause they aren't operating in a system with a station that they built standings with or might only return a 30% yield instead of 50%.
TLDR: Drink more Vodka. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Serpents smile Why no?
Because rookies don't need battlecruiser rats destroying their ships when they decide to embark on a mining career.
Because this "hide asteroid belts and add stronger rats" suggestion that's been floating around is stupid.
Because fundamentally altering a huge area of the game that's been the way it is since 2003 is inadvisable.
Rookies have level 1 missions to mine in to start their mining career. Most have plenty of ore in them and as an added bonus they get standing gains so they get more minerals when they refine. Matter of fact mining missions is waaaaaaaay more profitable than the static belts if you also run level 4 as many of them come fully stocked with your own private little deadspace belt just chock full of all the good low ends in copius quantities. And the best part is the supply is literally infinite as you can get a brand new patch of ore with nearly every new mission.
So yeah nerfing static belts just like they did with ice and moving it all to semi dangerous sites that need to be scanned down would have a very nice impact on killing off macromining and would still let 'serious' miners in their tanked hulks mine all day long in peace. ZOMG!!! |
Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:21:00 -
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Empirical evidence suggests that your average player doesn't have a damned clue how to kill off macro mining.
Hiding the belts won't work. Macro miners will manually locate the belts after each downtime, which will probably inconvenience them, but won't be anything remotely like a deterrent. If there are stronger rats that require a proper tank, macro miners will fit a DCII and a proper shield tank.
Having to find the belts every day and fit additional tanking modules (note that legitimate players must do the same) will reduce the overall daily mineral harvest, which won't actually make a difference to their ISK income since, as a result, mineral prices will rise a notch or two.
The only way to stop macro mining is through data mining and banhammering. Fighting them by screwing around with the game mechanics simply won't work.
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Empirical evidence suggests that your average player doesn't have a damned clue how to kill off macro mining.
Hiding the belts won't work. Macro miners will manually locate the belts after each downtime, which will probably inconvenience them, but won't be anything remotely like a deterrent. If there are stronger rats that require a proper tank, macro miners will fit a DCII and a proper shield tank.
Having to find the belts every day and fit additional tanking modules (note that legitimate players must do the same) will reduce the overall daily mineral harvest, which won't actually make a difference to their ISK income since, as a result, mineral prices will rise a notch or two.
The only way to stop macro mining is through data mining and banhammering. Fighting them by screwing around with the game mechanics simply won't work.
Noone said it was the end all be all answer. But it would certainly make running macros harder as even a tanked hulk has to lose effeciency and it would be a snap to have each rat spawn grow as long as they are not getting killed off. This would force using drones to kill off the rats before they eventually overwhelm the added tank which in turn means that its just that much harder to pull off an efficient macro mining session but would be quite easy for a human to pull off. Right now the mechanics support simply undocking your barges and hitting the 'mine' button to fly said ships to a static belt and fill up with as much ore as is in the belts 100% human interaction free. To me that is just a little too easy for even the human players given that every other profitable thing in eve requires at least some effort to do. Plus as stated there are plentiful ways of getting a nice juicy belt of ore all to yourself for whatever level of mining you are doing. ZOMG!!! |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:50:00 -
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Sorry...still smells like, "You don't play EVE my way so..." to me. Yes, macro miners are a problem, but I know players that focus on mining/industry in Hi-Sec and this would totally wipe out thier game-play if it was intended.
Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops, 21st Eridani Lighthorse Keeper of the Blood Pact
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Icanti
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Icanti on 27/09/2010 20:07:36 Edited by: Icanti on 27/09/2010 20:07:02 2 things.....
Has this really been changed or is it a bug? I seem to recall there was a similar issue a while back and CCP were on here right away saying it was a bug and it would be fixed during the next DT, now its all silent. Something is up.
If it has been changed, great! If your a miner, all you have to do is either start a mission and look for roids or scan down a grav site. Once found, you can still sit there and semi-afk mine all day long.
Anything that can make it more difficult to macro mine gets my vote.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: DonHel how do you get your ships and guns and module you pvp with? got some secret little location that spawns it for you?.....
From industrialists and other PvPers, of course ù especially if you're flying T2 ships.
Quote: carebears own eve, way more then there is pvp..
Carebears are entirely disposable, though; PvP is not. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:26:00 -
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Anything that negatively effects macro miners, positively effects a good industrial corp. Aware, intelligent players can easily adapt to aquire what they need/want. A program is going to do what it is designed to do.. if the parameters change, the program becomes useless.
Point being.. perhaps CCP is making a step to randomly spawning belts, how much and when. Tougher it is, to design a program to combat a random algorithm allowing the aware, intelligent player to adapt and aquire more ore than a bot.
And with that, they will in turn reap the benefits of having their ore being sold at greater volumn, more frequent, and perhaps at higher price than now if bots are rendered more ineffiecent and not supplying the market as they are now.
So unless you are a bot user.. what exactly is the problem here? Anyway got a legit arguement other than being fat and lazy and perhaps stupid, or is it masking their grief of spending 1-2 bil for a mining alt that they can't use now with their bot program?
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rekcuf bmuD
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Empirical evidence suggests that your average player doesn't have a damned clue how to kill off macro mining.
Hiding the belts won't work. Macro miners will manually locate the belts after each downtime, which will probably inconvenience them, but won't be anything remotely like a deterrent. If there are stronger rats that require a proper tank, macro miners will fit a DCII and a proper shield tank.
Having to find the belts every day and fit additional tanking modules (note that legitimate players must do the same) will reduce the overall daily mineral harvest, which won't actually make a difference to their ISK income since, as a result, mineral prices will rise a notch or two.
The only way to stop macro mining is through data mining and banhammering. Fighting them by screwing around with the game mechanics simply won't work.
Noone said it was the end all be all answer. But it would certainly make running macros harder as even a tanked hulk has to lose effeciency and it would be a snap to have each rat spawn grow as long as they are not getting killed off. This would force using drones to kill off the rats before they eventually overwhelm the added tank which in turn means that its just that much harder to pull off an efficient macro mining session but would be quite easy for a human to pull off. Right now the mechanics support simply undocking your barges and hitting the 'mine' button to fly said ships to a static belt and fill up with as much ore as is in the belts 100% human interaction free. To me that is just a little too easy for even the human players given that every other profitable thing in eve requires at least some effort to do. Plus as stated there are plentiful ways of getting a nice juicy belt of ore all to yourself for whatever level of mining you are doing.
Exactly. There's no way to currently stop the macroers completely, but forcing them to interact at least once a day is a marked improvement of simply being able to let the macros run for days or weeks without human interaction.
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri Sorry...still smells like, "You don't play EVE my way so..." to me. Yes, macro miners are a problem, but I know players that focus on mining/industry in Hi-Sec and this would totally wipe out thier game-play if it was intended.
How in blazes would it totally wipe out their game-play? If static belts are moved to exploration system(which btw is already implimented with grav sites but high sec grav site are currently redundant vs static belts) then it will simply be an additional few minutes of probing to find a place to mine as long as the low end fields ar. And with mining being an activity that usually lasts several hours anways plus the probe skills would only be needed at minimal levels for scanning out these new roid fields so even an eve newb would be able to scan them out in a couple of days training.
But I'm not sure a macro program could actually scan down a field so what amounts to just a couple of minutes extra time to setup the op now becomes a hands on event for every new belt the macros want to go to. So in that case you wouldn't even need to buff the rats for the easy to find sites if they only have a couple of ore types in lowish quantities. And as you mine out the first easy to find signiture your orca or industrial pilot could be passing the time away finding the really good stuff.
Though in the case of the harder to find sites the rats would be much much meaner than in a normal high sec belt and possibly require at least a single dps ship or even better a faction tanked hulk to be able to exploit all the juicy roids without dying horribly. So try to macro that guys.(especially if it forces the macro miners into faction tank hulks for us to scan out and sucide)
All in all moving belts into the exploration system would have minimal effect on the average eve players day to day operations that involve mining but would be a major pain in the arse to macro users trying to keep staff and operational costs to a minimum. Besides most of the high sec industrialist corps I know have thier level 4 mission runners spam missions to build up a really nice set of places to stick the miners. This works really well for industrial corps that have mission runners with high standings as most of the missions that have juicy ore are in the same system or just a jump away from the agent station and most level 4 agent stations have a 50% refinery. |
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Troggor
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Posted - 2010.09.27 22:29:00 -
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While your at it. Tell ccp to work on mining missions they suck. You know how hard it is to kill rats with mining lasers and or gas harvesters?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.27 22:53:00 -
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Quote:
Empirical evidence suggests that your average player doesn't have a damned clue how to kill off macro mining
Not empirical but factual evidence shows that:
- by lowering entry barriers or rising mining yield, miners get poorer not richer. Exactly like EU farmers get poorer and poorer the more animals / milk / products they grow for the same price. They self crash their industry.
- bots are made with several technologies, from stupid mouse recording software to intelligent patterns recognition algorythms. To forfeit both, it's necessary to introduce irregular and complex / interactive tasks. Rookies could just get the tutorial scan + tutorial mining missions in one. Exhumer pilots would get scan + L4 equivalent mining missions (like those already given by industry NPC corps and these already have NPCs up to BC size so quit crying it's in game already).
The net result would be a more difficult life for botters than for legit miners and a general resulting decrease both in yield (due to higher tank) and quantity (due to management to get there). This will cause a rise in mineral prices. I stopped mining when Trit fell below 4 ISK pu (I used to be able to sell it for 4.75 ISK pu to buy orders...), it's not impossible to get it back up to profitable prices.
Finally, having spawned belts / pockets would immediately solve the years long issue of those who won't find any roid (even with daily spawn rates) anywhere close due to their time zone.
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Randaltor
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Posted - 2010.09.27 23:31:00 -
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I believe such a change would only hurt real Miners, rather than macro/bots. By the time you get up in the morning to logon, all the roids would be gone.
It would just force real miners to go to lowsec, and seek out a mining existence, since they would be forced out by the automated/efficient bots mining in highsec.
With the rise in mineral prices that this inevitably would cause (because normal miners can't mine as much now), macro miner profits would be the same-slightly lower, net. Even if they are mining less.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.09.28 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Umega on 28/09/2010 00:31:42 For all the legit miners here that are complaining about losing their Easy Mode.. if changes do not take place, the floor on ore (with insurance now being adjusted to a lower than 100% or greater return) will be the value of PLEX and how much isk/30days a bot can make. Do you want that? Think CCP wants that? Think anyone really, really wants that kind of floor? I don't think some people are really grasping the effect of a single hulk running 23/7, let alone hundreds.
Lowsec roids reaching better reward vs risk, wh belts much better, gravi-sites, clearing out a mission to roid and oh.. look at that, melted mods = minerals too. There are options for large corps to take, small ones to do, handfuls of people, or loners. The options are there.. work for it if people really want to mine.
If Easy Mode continues for everyone, bots and legit miners.. seriously expect the minerals to drop in value to what a hulk can mine 23/7 in a month that is around the value of a PLEX.. it won't be a measely 5-9 mil/hr, more like just 400k-800k an hour. Is that what you legit miners really want? 400k-800k an hour? If so.. protest any change made to highsec belt mining that lowers returns on them.
If you want ore value stablized or strengthened.. endorse any 'negative' impact highsec belts and any other easy mode acts that can be botted. There is a reason why PI values are dropping like a rock and a PI change is coming from CCP.. the same should happen with ore and hopefully this is part of it, and not some bug.
This is EVE.. get real. More Isk = More fun. That's the bottomline, don't bull**** the foundation of the game and fool yourself, any of you.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.28 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Carebears are entirely disposable, though; PvP is not.
You work awfully hard to come off as intelligent and sophisticated, don't you? Yet 90% of the time, the content of your posts is in fact ignorant rhetoric. Above is a classic case of self-serving "Look how EVEcore I am!" nonsense.
Also, unrelated to the above: Anyone who believes Hulkbots can't use drones is quite mistaken. Everyone who knows how to recognize a Hulkbot knows that they're fully capable of launching drones. There are no rats that can reliably kill Hulkbots which wouldn't also be able to reliably kill legitimate Hulk pilots, period.
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rekcuf bmuD
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Posted - 2010.09.28 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Tippia Carebears are entirely disposable, though; PvP is not.
You work awfully hard to come off as intelligent and sophisticated, don't you? Yet 90% of the time, the content of your posts is in fact ignorant rhetoric. Above is a classic case of self-serving "Look how EVEcore I am!" nonsense.
Also, unrelated to the above: Anyone who believes Hulkbots can't use drones is quite mistaken. Everyone who knows how to recognize a Hulkbot knows that they're fully capable of launching drones. There are no rats that can reliably kill Hulkbots which wouldn't also be able to reliably kill legitimate Hulk pilots, period.
Ineed. However, a real pilot has a better idea when to GTFO, even if bots can logoffski, there's a greater chance of bot hulks dying to rats than player hulks (properly fit ones).
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.28 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: rekcuf bmuD Ineed. However, a real pilot has a better idea when to GTFO, even if bots can logoffski, there's a greater chance of bot hulks dying to rats than player hulks (properly fit ones).
Marginally better, yes. I'm fairly certain that macros can monitor shield, armor and hull levels, activate hardeners and boosters, and of course launch drones, as mentioned.
The thing is, if legitimate miners in fully tanked HULKS with a wing of FIVE T2 DRONES have to use caution IN HIGHSEC BELTS, what about people in Bantams? What about people in Retrievers? Is it really wise to turn asteroid belts into death traps for anything less than a fully tanked Hulk with drones?
Well, I have no direct stake in this. Whatever CCP tries is fine with me, because I'll never mine in highsec again for the duration of my EVE career. At this point, I'd be curious to see the effects of hiding the belts and adding stupidly strong rats.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 02:25:00 -
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Probably just a bug or glitch because theres no new threadnaughts launching on this anyplace else.
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Tyremis
The Perfect Storm Random-Violence
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Posted - 2010.09.28 02:33:00 -
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what they should probably do for macros is every now and then put in a roid where you mine it forever and get natta. Real miners will realize this after a cycle or 2 and macros will mine it forever. That way ccp also has some data on possible macro minerz.
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Hack Harrison
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.28 02:40:00 -
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Having belts in a system not respawn everyday (say every second in greater numbers) would definately give CCP a way to target the macro miners - ships that constantly sit at an empty belt in a system that didn't spawn new roids = ban hammer... RL players can jump to an adjacent system to mine. The bots won't...
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.28 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 28/09/2010 03:26:17
Originally by: Tippia Carebears are entirely disposable, though; PvP is not.
Come on,without care bears most of these lamers wouldnt be here.Take away the miners and the mission runners and see whats left.Not only do they make up a huge part of this game,but the people who love picking on helpless victims would be gone too.Care bears make up at least half of this game..accept it and get over it already.
Edit:When this game fixes the balance of isk earned and lost..more will gladly pvp.But until then,as long as it takes 2 days to replace a ship lost in 2 minutes,care bears will exist.
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VHERKER
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Posted - 2010.09.28 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: VHERKER on 28/09/2010 04:35:54 Edited by: VHERKER on 28/09/2010 04:33:25 Edited by: VHERKER on 28/09/2010 04:32:36 is it a respawn problem or some type of warp issue? when i warped into a couple i was over 300k away from a player in a hulk but there were garrista wrecks right next to me. also i found a full asteroid belt afted 10 or so attempts. i'm sitting there mining and someone warps into the belt. different player in a hulk as well and i notice he's some 370ish kilometers away. he warps away a couple seconds later.
i just swithched back to game and mr diego deltorro or some such player in another hulk just warped in and he's 295km away from me and i'm in the center of the field. he just warped out so i assume he found an empty field.
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Missus Business
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Posted - 2010.09.28 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Missus Business on 28/09/2010 05:29:22
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.28 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph You work awfully hard to come off as intelligent and sophisticated, don't you? Yet 90% of the time, the content of your posts is in fact ignorant rhetoric. Above is a classic case of self-serving "Look how EVEcore I am!" nonsense.
What's ignorant about it? Where's the rhetorics? What's nonsensical?
The fact of the matter is that PvP is required to keep EVE going; carebears are 100% replaceable by proper industrialists. They may make up a large percentage of the population, but the carebares are entirely disposable. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph .
What's ignorant about it? Where's the rhetorics? What's nonsensical?
The fact of the matter is that PvP is required to keep EVE going; carebears are 100% replaceable by proper industrialists..
. . . ok that was absolutly the most stupid thing I have heard yet...And I used to play EQ back when there were people rabidly defending that game companies decisions back when it was transparently obvious that the very people who were defending the game were being lied to Virtualy in there face(something Ironicaly that Smed finaly had to break down and admit shortly thereafter)
ok how the hell do you propose to have industiralists to suport you when most PvP corps cant be arsed to provide half way decent protection to there own industrial base? why the HELL do you think most real aliance 0.0 industrialists are in the npc corp in deep empire?
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Destruct0
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Posted - 2010.09.28 05:53:00 -
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I may be speaking out of my ass here, but how does a macro mining software identify threats ingame? Does it analyze packets to identify rats? If yes, then CCP should just push similar packets every 10 minutes throughout the game world. They wouldnt be actual rats according to CCP or a normal player's perspective but according to a bot it would be and would cause it to try an attack a non-existant entity.
Also if CCP can push such a packet it should push another packet that would cause the bot to aggro concord or something. Now that would be fun and hard to explain for macro botters :D
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.28 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor Rookies have level 1 missions to mine in to start their mining career. Most have plenty of ore in them and as an added bonus they get standing gains so they get more minerals when they refine. Matter of fact mining missions is waaaaaaaay more profitable than the static belts if you also run level 4 as many of them come fully stocked with your own private little deadspace belt just chock full of all the good low ends in copius quantities. And the best part is the supply is literally infinite as you can get a brand new patch of ore with nearly every new mission.
So yeah nerfing static belts just like they did with ice and moving it all to semi dangerous sites that need to be scanned down would have a very nice impact on killing off macromining and would still let 'serious' miners in their tanked hulks mine all day long in peace.
Rookies is very different from alts of already existing players.
A true rookie:
1) will not have a clue that the mission are mineable;
2) will already have trouble fighting the mission rats in a reasonable timeframe, so he would not spend the time to mine the mission after killing the rats;
3) mission location spawn rats as the belts, even if at a slower rate, so rookies will not have a "safew" environment to mine.
Learn how the game work before speaking and stop trying to balance the game only around veteran players and their alts.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Destruct0 I may be speaking out of my ass here, but how does a macro mining software identify threats ingame? Does it analyze packets to identify rats? If yes, then CCP should just push similar packets every 10 minutes throughout the game world. They wouldnt be actual rats according to CCP or a normal player's perspective but according to a bot it would be and would cause it to try an attack a non-existant entity.
Also if CCP can push such a packet it should push another packet that would cause the bot to aggro concord or something. Now that would be fun and hard to explain for macro botters :D
You dont need a packet sniffer, just use the standard default UI that comes with the game, set the overview to just show roids and hostiles, filter so that hostiles show up on a distinct part of the overview then set your macro to detect thoes red boxesthat pop up,(yes software exists that can scan the screen and look for teltails like that) then the software will move the mouse to target the bottom hostile and set your drones on it. then when the red crosses go away just recall drones.
thats kind of why they modified it a while back so that sometimes one of the hostiles will not auto agro on you if more than one spawns. but then the people who use screen scanning macros learned to have the system recall any drones that showed red sheilds.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.28 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Destruct0 I may be speaking out of my ass here, but how does a macro mining software identify threats ingame? Does it analyze packets to identify rats? If yes, then CCP should just push similar packets every 10 minutes throughout the game world. They wouldnt be actual rats according to CCP or a normal player's perspective but according to a bot it would be and would cause it to try an attack a non-existant entity.
Also if CCP can push such a packet it should push another packet that would cause the bot to aggro concord or something. Now that would be fun and hard to explain for macro botters :D
Way to go , add useless garbage to the packets sent to the client.
Maybe you aren't aware of that but CCP is trying to keep what is sent back and forth to the minimum to reduce lag. Adding useless packets will not help fighting it.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.28 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba muahahahaha
I'm going to assume this is along the lines of "Whos has all the veld now suckers!" (perhaps without the suckers bit, that was added by me)
ITS A WAR! |
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.28 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba muahahahaha
All your Veld won't buy you my sniper rifle!
It is Priceless!
-- Alara's Law!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.28 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/09/2010 07:40:53
Originally by: Steve Thomas ok how the hell do you propose to have industiralists to suport you when most PvP corps cant be arsed to provide half way decent protection to there own industrial base? why the HELL do you think most real aliance 0.0 industrialists are in the npc corp in deep empire?
If true, because it helps.
They're still PvPers, though, by the very nature of being an industrialist, not carebears.
As for why it's stupidà care to explain why? Start by explaining why isn't PvP required, and then go on to why carebears are irreplaceable (in game terms ù I do understand that losing them would force CCP to cut down on their support for EVE, but that's a different matter).
edit: Or maybe I should make it clear what I mean here:
Carebears are expendable because they don't do anything the PvPers couldn't by (and aren't) doing by themselves. PvP in its various forms, on the other hand, is required to keep the game running. Without it, the market falls apart; advanced products are no longer made; ISK no longer serves a purpose; and the carebears no longer have anything useful to do or any tools to do it with. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 28/09/2010 08:18:44 this is not a double post.
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 28/09/2010 07:40:53
Originally by: Steve Thomas ok how the hell do you propose to have industiralists to suport you when most PvP corps cant be arsed to provide half way decent protection to there own industrial base? why the HELL do you think most real aliance 0.0 industrialists are in the npc corp in deep empire?
If true, because it helps.
They're still PvPers, though, by the very nature of being an industrialist, not carebears.
As for why it's stupidà care to explain why? Start by explaining why isn't PvP required, and then go on to why carebears are irreplaceable (in game terms ù I do understand that losing them would force CCP to cut down on their support for EVE, but that's a different matter).
edit: Or maybe I should make it clear what I mean here:
Carebears are expendable because they don't do anything the PvPers couldn't by (and aren't) doing by themselves. PvP in its various forms, on the other hand, is required to keep the game running. Without it, the market falls apart; advanced products are no longer made; ISK no longer serves a purpose; and the carebears no longer have anything useful to do or any tools to do it with.
I thought acid was kinda hard to get these days? When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.28 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia edit: Or maybe I should make it clear what I mean here:
Carebears are expendable because they don't do anything the PvPers couldn't by (and aren't) doing by themselves.
If the PvPers did it then they would become Carebears and so by your logic would be expendable... rinse and repeat. I don't buy into all this "you are a Carebeear because you..." crap, I don't even think the people who use these terms know where the lines are anymore.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Chribba muahahahaha
All your Veld won't buy you my sniper rifle!
It is Priceless!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.28 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Marui If the PvPers did it then they would become Carebears and so by your logic would be expendable.
No. "Carebear" is an attitude, not an activity. Hence the distinction between "carebear" and "industrialist".
Quote: I don't buy into all this "you are a Carebeear because you..." crap, I don't even think the people who use these terms know where the lines are anymore.
I can't really comment on said "crap" because I don't know what you imply with that ellipsis. Could you elaborate? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.28 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia No. "Carebear" is an attitude, not an activity. Hence the distinction between "carebear" and "industrialist".
I see, so if two different people do the same thing, only one of them may be a "Carebear" judged by some kind of hidden meaning behind there motives... There motives I may add that are hidden to all but themselves.
Quote: I can't really comment on said "crap" because I don't know what you imply with that ellipsis. Could you elaborate?
What I mean by that is the stereotype of who or what is considered "Carebear" To me we all play EVE we are therefore EVE players, how you can justify labelling people in a sandbox is beyond me, I could do all the activities you consider "Carebear" one day and then go pirate the next, therefore I wouldn't fit into either categorization, or rather I would but it would change day to day making it meaningless.
Although, above you say "Carebear" is an attitude and I do not know what you would consider a "Carebear" attitude, so to you, I can imagine the above won't make sense. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.28 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Marui I see, so if two different people do the same thing, only one of them may be a "Carebear" judged by some kind of hidden meaning behind there motives... There motives I may add that are hidden to all but themselves.
ànah, you can usually tell by the yelling.
Quote: What I mean by that is the stereotype of who or what is considered "Carebear" To me we all play EVE we are therefore EVE players, how you can justify labelling people in a sandbox is beyond me, I could do all the activities you consider "Carebear" one day and then go pirate the next, therefore I wouldn't fit into either categorization, or rather I would but it would change day to day making it meaningless.
Although, above you say "Carebear" is an attitude and I do not know what you would consider a "Carebear" attitude, so to you, I can imagine the above won't make sense.
It makes sense: you have no issues with risk, you know how to manage it, and might even revel in it. This attitude edges you away from the carebear camp.
The reason I bang on about the attitude is because of how it drives your perception of the game. There's a difference between building ships and building ships: do you just want to build stuff ù market be damned ù or do you want to build stuff, and if anyone competes with you, it's time to bust some heads? The former will make you want to turn EVE into a place where there is no way of disrupting your tinkering; the latter will make you want to turn EVE into a place where tinkering-disruption is not only possible, but nigh-on required to make ends meet (EVE, btw, while not quite as extreme, is set up very much in the spirit of the latter).
It's that competitive strand that makes the differenceà that PvP between people in the same market and after the same thing. The activity itself is of almost negligible importance ù it's whether or not you are (or are willing to) compete in the event in question that is the dividing factor. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.28 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 28/09/2010 07:40:53
Originally by: Steve Thomas ok how the hell do you propose to have industiralists to suport you when most PvP corps cant be arsed to provide half way decent protection to there own industrial base? why the HELL do you think most real aliance 0.0 industrialists are in the npc corp in deep empire?
If true, because it helps.
They're still PvPers, though, by the very nature of being an industrialist, not carebears.
As for why it's stupidà care to explain why? Start by explaining why isn't PvP required, and then go on to why carebears are irreplaceable (in game terms ù I do understand that losing them would force CCP to cut down on their support for EVE, but that's a different matter).
edit: Or maybe I should make it clear what I mean here:
Carebears are expendable because they don't do anything the PvPers couldn't by (and aren't) doing by themselves. PvP in its various forms, on the other hand, is required to keep the game running. Without it, the market falls apart; advanced products are no longer made; ISK no longer serves a purpose; and the carebears no longer have anything useful to do or any tools to do it with.
"As for why it's stupid... care to explain why?"
Even if it was not my post, it is fairly easy to explain why:
a) you really think that the large percentage of PvPers that find too boring guarding the members of their alliance when they mine in the alliance territory will have any interest in doing what the "expended" carebears are not doing, i.e. mining? I really doubt that;
b) as the job of providing minerals for the industrialist will fall on the shoulder of a small minority of the PvPers that are willing to mine, you really think that they could keep up the production to the level needed to keep the "combat only" PvPepers supplied with the ship they want at the prices they want (i.e. as cheap as possible, 0 cost is even better)? Again, I really doubt that.
So, yes PvPers can cover a lack of industrialist building stuff but they will have serious difficulties covering a lack of people mining. From what I gather from these forum and some experience in 0.0 space, barring the RMT cartels, the largest users of bots are alts of PvPers that don't care to spend "real player time" mining, not the carebears that manage fleet of hulks in high sec alt tabbing between the accounts.
BTW, if I recall well the percentage of ship losses is about 55-60% from PvP, 40-45% from PvE. I will see if I can find the reference later.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.28 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul BTW, if I recall well the percentage of ship losses is about 55-60% from PvP, 40-45% from PvE. I will see if I can find the reference later.
Latest QEN. I can't recall it it offered any numbers on the value of the ships lost, thoughà
I'll get back to the rest of your post after lunch. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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thatbloke
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.28 13:05:00 -
[101]
so let's say that the belts didn't spawn at all for, say, the next week.
Would all of the stockpiled Ore/Minerals that people had be enough to sustain the current rate of development? Would people still be able to continue doing what they do on those stockpiles?
I assume that the price of any existing ore would go up, and it would probably cause a massive collapse of the economy, with utter chaos remaining!
muahahaha
Originally by: CCP Shadow I think we'd be better off with a troll shard.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.28 13:11:00 -
[102]
Originally by: thatbloke so let's say that the belts didn't spawn at all for, say, the next week.
Would all of the stockpiled Ore/Minerals that people had be enough to sustain the current rate of development? Would people still be able to continue doing what they do on those stockpiles?
I assume that the price of any existing ore would go up, and it would probably cause a massive collapse of the economy, with utter chaos remaining!
muahahaha
Stockpiles would support the economy. If it was apparent that the belts would be down for at least a few days, market manipulators would start the ball rolling by buying all low priced ore. Then a thread on MD would pick up, and the bandwagon effect would shoot up mineral prices until the belts return, making great profit for the ones that got in early.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.28 13:37:00 -
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Cant believe they still didnt comment on this..yeah ccp is really involved stick.So much involvement that it gave me whiplashWhat 3 days now and no comment?Fail at its best if you ask me.
I think miners should strike for like two weeks or a month..make the prices explode.Then maybe the pvpers will see how much your worth when they pay double for their ships.
Miners wont even take a loss because the ore prises will make up for it..just a matter of getting everyone to do it.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.28 15:29:00 -
[104]
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Then maybe the pvpers will see how much your worth when they pay double for their ships.
Mmm, because T2 ships are so affected by mineral prices...
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.28 15:36:00 -
[105]
Carebear is the equivalent of camper if FPS games. It's an insult kids use when they're ****y you don't make yourself an easy kill for them.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:28:00 -
[106]
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Cant believe they still didnt comment on this..yeah ccp is really involved stick.So much involvement that it gave me whiplashWhat 3 days now and no comment?Fail at its best if you ask me.
I think miners should strike for like two weeks or a month..make the prices explode.Then maybe the pvpers will see how much your worth when they pay double for their ships.
Miners wont even take a loss because the ore prises will make up for it..just a matter of getting everyone to do it.
You are really the lowest rung of the ladder in the game buddy, don't think for a second that if all you ******s stopped mining that it'd mean anything for anyone.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:31:00 -
[107]
So, I think I've read every post and no one mentioned yet...
Ahh, the belts dont respawn everyday. They regen daily and respawn on certain days depending on the system.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:39:00 -
[108]
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 28/09/2010 16:41:53
Originally by: Jack Coutu
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Cant believe they still didnt comment on this..yeah ccp is really involved stick.So much involvement that it gave me whiplashWhat 3 days now and no comment?Fail at its best if you ask me.
I think miners should strike for like two weeks or a month..make the prices explode.Then maybe the pvpers will see how much your worth when they pay double for their ships.
Miners wont even take a loss because the ore prises will make up for it..just a matter of getting everyone to do it.
You are really the lowest rung of the ladder in the game buddy, don't think for a second that if all you ******s stopped mining that it'd mean anything for anyone.
No..it gets lower.Like **** talking egoists such as yourself..buddy.Your fail troll attempt means nothing to anyone,u mad?
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:54:00 -
[109]
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 28/09/2010 16:41:53
Originally by: Jack Coutu
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Cant believe they still didnt comment on this..yeah ccp is really involved stick.So much involvement that it gave me whiplashWhat 3 days now and no comment?Fail at its best if you ask me.
I think miners should strike for like two weeks or a month..make the prices explode.Then maybe the pvpers will see how much your worth when they pay double for their ships.
Miners wont even take a loss because the ore prises will make up for it..just a matter of getting everyone to do it.
You are really the lowest rung of the ladder in the game buddy, don't think for a second that if all you ******s stopped mining that it'd mean anything for anyone.
No..it gets lower.Like **** talking egoists such as yourself..buddy.Your fail troll attempt means nothing to anyone,u mad?
You would have to strike for years to make even a small impact on the economy.
Tons of people that aren't professional miners are sitting on a **** ton of minerals, any strike would mean absolutely nothing, plus you'd never get everyone outside of empire to strike, contrary to popular belief, empire ore doesn't make the eve universe go around.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.28 17:06:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: SamHouston yep, no respawn whatsoever
That's it man, game over man, game over! What the **** are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
Get day job. Work an hour. Buy a plex. Have more hours to do fun stuff.
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ImCoolerThanYou
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Posted - 2010.09.28 17:14:00 -
[111]
The Sansha Nation gathered all the resources from the system you were in for our own use.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.28 17:34:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Barakkus You would have to strike for years to make even a small impact on the economy.
Tons of people that aren't professional miners are sitting on a **** ton of minerals, any strike would mean absolutely nothing, plus you'd never get everyone outside of empire to strike, contrary to popular belief, empire ore doesn't make the eve universe go around.
Oh my god..I was talking smack.You really think you can get any strike going here?I really dont care for the market at all.I often pay a lot more for stuff just because Im too lazy to make 2 jumps.I could care less.If I need isk Ill buy a plex because I have a job and laugh at the few bucks.Everyone else does.
I dont mine either so I could care less what spawns or doesnt.I just think its funny how some people get on this "oh im a pvper"high and mighty trip.Get a life losers..every other online game is pvp and requires a lot more reflex and skill to play.Eve is about numbers and a bit of experience..thats it.Ship fittings are posted all over the net..no skill there.Also no skill in sitting at a gate all day and pressing a button or two when a little square pops up on a list.And having a lot of skill points shows you can wait..nothing more.
A carebear does nothing less..so get over yourselves.And troll as much as you like because I could care less what some random pixel person says on some random forum.
The fact that its denied that carebears play a role in this game shows nothing but ignorance.
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rekcuf bmuD
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Posted - 2010.09.28 18:05:00 -
[113]
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 28/09/2010 17:58:44
Originally by: Barakkus You would have to strike for years to make even a small impact on the economy.
Tons of people that aren't professional miners are sitting on a **** ton of minerals, any strike would mean absolutely nothing, plus you'd never get everyone outside of empire to strike, contrary to popular belief, empire ore doesn't make the eve universe go around.
@Barakkus.. Oh my god..I was talking smack.You really think you can get any strike going here?I really dont care for the market at all.I often pay a lot more for stuff just because Im too lazy to make 2 jumps.I could care less.If I need isk Ill buy a plex because I have a job and laugh at the few bucks.Everyone else does.
@the rest.. I dont mine either so I could care less what spawns or doesnt.I just think its funny how some people get on this "oh im a pvper"high and mighty trip.Get a life losers..every other online game is pvp and requires a lot more reflex and skill to play.Eve is about numbers and a bit of experience..thats it.Ship fittings are posted all over the net..no skill there.Also no skill in sitting at a gate all day and pressing a button or two when a little square pops up on a list.And having a lot of skill points shows you can wait..nothing more.
A carebear does nothing less..so get over yourselves.And troll as much as you like because I could care less what some random pixel person says on some random forum.
The fact that its denied that carebears play a role in this game shows nothing but ignorance.
So this is a lie?
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.28 18:11:00 -
[114]
Originally by: rekcuf bmuD So this is a lie?
lol Eve is easy to learn..its keeping peoples interest through out the ever lasting time sinks that causes people to gtfo.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 19:37:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Steve Thomas on 28/09/2010 19:38:40
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Buck Marui If the PvPers did it then they would become Carebears and so by your logic would be expendable.
No. "Carebear" is an attitude, not an activity. Hence the distinction between "carebear" and "industrialist".
Quote: I don't buy into all this "you are a Carebeear because you..." crap, I don't even think the people who use these terms know where the lines are anymore.
I can't really comment on said "crap" because I don't know what you imply with that ellipsis. Could you elaborate?
Cluless troll is totaly cluless Troll
Ok heres your final clue
If you are an industrialist, you will never waist a second doing pvp
why?
because you will be doing R&D jobs and Production jobs and trying to balance inventory and handling contracts and orders for incomeing minerals and moongoo and planet poo and space gas(to be honest I started calling the damned stuff space farts long ago but meh) and three diferent flavors of salvaged garbage.
You will be runing spread sheets and running missions to get faction needed for things you need to have decent faction standing to do,
You will be spending >90% of your remaining game time (when your not grinding faction agents) every day docked, and any second your not docked or grinding rep, your probably going to be spending in a freightor listening to half your corp bellyakeing about having to babysit your worthless carebear ass because if they did not babysit your worthless ass they would be in newbi frigates by the end of next month because between the lot of them they could probably manage to build half of a battlecruiser a month because "salvaging/looting is boreing" and "Mining Sucks" (never mind the reality that most of the time they franky seem to be doing nothing but hanging around some random solar system semi afk while they watch football and ***** about how the looser team of the week is nothing more than a second rate "Peewee" team) That is if your not stuck in a Mining hull mining because virtualy noone else wants to do "Carebear crap"
oh and if you take time away from doing "that carebear crap" and spend your time hanging out in the middle of nowhere pretending your seriously PvPing along with the rest of the corp in mostly empty space only to pop the odd stray who manages to show up in your system (odds are someone who just came back from a 3+ month "vacation" from eve and did not realise that there corp or aliance moved out of the system and or did and tried to make a run for it). . . only to be yelled at because your not keeping up with the Indistural stuff they need you to do so they can be PvP wanabees.
*.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* a (Long) Guide to Pi
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Tarikla
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Posted - 2010.09.28 20:17:00 -
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i'm just responding to guys who thinks that Carebears are not important for PvPers :
You're wrong . I could just say that and go away , like you did when you say "Carebears are the low end of Eve People" or something like that . But i'll explain my point .
So , who's buying expensive faction/deadspace/officier Modules and Ships and Implants (except the Angels line of ship) ? The Carebears . You will NEVER EVER see a PvP fit with this kind of stuff who's actually mainly come from 0.0 . It's the Carebears who are injecting massive amounts of money into the PvPers and grant them to keep shooting at other and loose their ships .
Also , who's keep the minerals market with constant influx of minerals , so their price don't go crazy and make the T1 ships that many PvPers use because it's cheap stay cheap ? The Carebears .
Also , why almost every PvPers i know have at least one alt who's running mission or other Carebears Activities ? Because it's where the ISK is . It's what keep running all of the PvPers of Eve .
You remove the Carebears , you remove the PvP because ships will have their price 10/20/more times more than today . And with that price , you're not willing to lose your ship every day .
Just face it . The Carebears rules Eve . I know it's hard to you to accept that , but you have to .
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.09.28 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Hiding the belts won't work. Macro miners will manually locate the belts after each downtime, which will probably inconvenience them, but won't be anything remotely like a deterrent.
Smallish belts (a single hulk could mine it out in an hour or so), that respawn in the same system as soon as they are emptied, so you have to scan down the new belt.
Yes, you could scan down the belt, then turn on your macro.. but that gets you about an hour (unless someone else shows up to mine, then you get less than an hour) before you have to scan down the next.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.28 20:56:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Chribba muahahahaha
All your Veld won't buy you my sniper rifle!
It is Priceless!
That's just... sad.
You are obviously just jealous. Because even my snipes contain more useful information then your posts!
But thats ok, take comfort that I feel sorry you!
-- Alara's Law!
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Gettin Money
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:59:00 -
[119]
OI, where be my roids... so what is the respawn rate on them now.. i havnt seen any rocks in my system for 2 days now, this is rediculous.. i'm stuck back in a mackinaw extracting ice blocks :(
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IcMoney
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Posted - 2010.09.29 06:01:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Gettin Money OI, where be my roids... so what is the respawn rate on them now.. i havnt seen any rocks in my system for 2 days now, this is rediculous.. i'm stuck back in a mackinaw extracting ice blocks :(
pshhh u wish you could fly a mackinaw
lol, posted with wrong character
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.29 06:33:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Venkul Mul BTW, if I recall well the percentage of ship losses is about 55-60% from PvP, 40-45% from PvE. I will see if I can find the reference later.
Latest QEN. I can't recall it it offered any numbers on the value of the ships lost, thoughà
I'll get back to the rest of your post after lunch.
It is where I recalled reading it, but skimming it I wasn't capable of finding the right reference.
"Price" is probably a the wrong value to look, mineral content (including T2 components) would be much more useful for your argument about PvPers keeping the market going.
A faction ship lost in PvE would have a high price but the overall effect on market movements and game activity will be lower than the effect of a similarly priced carrier loss.
I agree there is a symbiotic relationships between "carebears" and "mighty PvPers" but I doubt any demographic can really enjoy the game as much as they do now if the other group was removed.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.29 06:59:00 -
[122]
That is correct, it's symbiosis. Stating that "carebears are fully expendable" is, as I've mentioned, simply a pathetic attempt to show off how EVEcore one is.
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sue denim
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Posted - 2010.09.30 04:03:00 -
[123]
I wasn't aware empire was different? In .0 ore respawns every monday and friday, isn't that how it goes?
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.30 08:50:00 -
[124]
Originally by: sue denim I wasn't aware empire was different? In .0 ore respawns every monday and friday, isn't that how it goes?
Guess well never know because ccp still hasnt made a comment about it.
So have they spawned yet?I cant say because somehow I cant bring myself to log in the past week or two.I think its time for a break until incarna comes out.If that doesnt spark new interest Ill be leaving eve.Ill have to think of something cool to do with my stuff..like make some noobs happy or something.
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