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Vel'drinn
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:44:00 -
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While I understand that gun mining had to be removed so minerals come from actual miners, there is no indication for when the drone regions will be populated with content to be on par with pirate regions.
No drops, no officer or hauler spawns makes for a very dull drone region. Nobody bothers to salvage due to lack of drops. That random chance to get awesome stuff is a powerful carrot. 0% chance to get anything ever kinda kills any desire to PvE.
So when are you going to do something about this? People actually live out there (shocking!) so please don't stick this issue in the whenever pile of stuff to fix. |

baltec1
Bat Country
1770
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:45:00 -
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Good news however is that nobody will attack you for your terrible space. |

highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
167
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:48:00 -
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I think drone lands are fine.
If we make all space equal, we will kill the game.
ITs like socialism. It has never worked. Ever. All I heard was Blah Blah Blah I'm a dirty *****... |

Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
267
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:48:00 -
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Not all nullsec should be equal... it defeats the purpose of competing for prime realestate. |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:58:00 -
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Every region should have a purpose.
Not always 'Unique', but some purpose all the same
If not, why not just drop the region from the database?
Use those resources to perma-reinforce known choke point systems where big fights can kick off (because those regions have reasons for fighting to occur in them).
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Vince Arron
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:03:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I think drone lands are fine.
If we make all space equal, we will kill the game.
ITs like socialism. It has never worked. Ever.
Yeah IRL armed forces never work right? |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:06:00 -
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Vince Arron wrote:highonpop wrote:I think drone lands are fine.
If we make all space equal, we will kill the game.
ITs like socialism. It has never worked. Ever. Yeah IRL armed forces never work right?
Depends mostly of witch part of the globe or country you fight, some we can safely say they never work 
brb |

strenif
Caldari War Machine STR8NGE BREW
11
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:10:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I think drone lands are fine.
If we make all space equal, we will kill the game.
ITs like socialism. It has never worked. Ever.
Have you told the Canadians? |

Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
371
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:11:00 -
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highonpop wrote: ITs like socialism. It has never worked. Ever.
aren't you an ignorant little **** If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance
235
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:11:00 -
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Vel'drinn wrote:While I understand that gun mining had to be removed so minerals come from actual miners, there is no indication for when the drone regions will be populated with content to be on par with pirate regions.
No drops, no officer or hauler spawns makes for a very dull drone region. Nobody bothers to salvage due to lack of drops. That random chance to get awesome stuff is a powerful carrot. 0% chance to get anything ever kinda kills any desire to PvE.
So when are you going to do something about this? People actually live out there (shocking!) so please don't stick this issue in the whenever pile of stuff to fix. now you understand why LoD left Droneland so easily don't you?  |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
742
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:12:00 -
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Dronelands will likely be quite popular with drone co-op fights in Dust. There might be something worthwhile on those plants not yet found which all other parts of space don't have. |

Vel'drinn
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:15:00 -
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Spurty wrote:If not, why not just drop the region from the database?
Agree with needing a purpose but some people live there. Let's just flip and switch and... Sorry IRC you need a new home. Your sov is for a new game play mechanic to enhance PvP. 
Personally, I don't care about regions being perfectly equal. Raw ISK is cool and all but it would be nice for the Drone regions to have a little more depth than that.
PvE in generally is boring as hell in null (and rest of the game mind you) but that's a whole other discussion. This is really about incentives. I would prefer different space with a theme over **** space. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
874
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:16:00 -
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How about:
Reduce T2 salvage from everything but drones, and increase its chance of dropping from all drones. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
742
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:26:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:How about:
Reduce T2 salvage from everything but drones, and increase its chance of dropping from all drones.
How about not having t2 rigs cost double what they currently do. |

Arkturus McFadden
Sonoran Shadow Black Mesa Complex
151
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:54:00 -
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It has its uses and EVE should never be fair. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Good news however is that nobody will attack you for your terrible space.
They have the richest ore belts !!
brb |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
295
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:04:00 -
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I would say give the drone land some love in the form of ded drone sites. The drone region should be filled with these. DS in a drone research ore corp division with a unique LP store that offers special drone bpcs and materials for such through LP. Basically, make it have content similar to other regions, just drone specific.
Heck, drone epic arc with a reward of a special drone assembly pos array? |

Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
30
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:15:00 -
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Vel'drinn wrote:While I understand that gun mining had to be removed so minerals come from actual miners, there is no indication for when the drone regions will be populated with content to be on par with pirate regions.
No drops, no officer or hauler spawns makes for a very dull drone region. Nobody bothers to salvage due to lack of drops. That random chance to get awesome stuff is a powerful carrot. 0% chance to get anything ever kinda kills any desire to PvE.
So when are you going to do something about this? People actually live out there (shocking!) so please don't stick this issue in the whenever pile of stuff to fix.
Maybe if your region hadn't been home to 23/7 botters for the last few years CCP would be a little more worried about your wallet. |

Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
346
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:16:00 -
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Posting in a "Fix my ISK faucet" thread... Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
261
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:18:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a "Fix my ISK faucet" thread...
Quoting a "I have no ******* clue what I'm talking about" post... |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
875
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Posted - 2012.08.01 21:52:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:How about:
Reduce T2 salvage from everything but drones, and increase its chance of dropping from all drones. How about not having t2 rigs cost double what they currently do.
That would be a function of the drop rate, a knob CCP could adjust. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
178
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Posted - 2012.08.01 22:35:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Every region should have a purpose.
This, IRC's space has a good reason.
To kill bads.
In seriousness tho, leave your blue clusterfuck of a shitehole and do other stuff, exploring, wh's, other regions, lowsec plexing. Rather than bitching about it.
Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |

Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
31
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:58:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a "Fix my ISK faucet" thread... Quoting a "I have no ******* clue what I'm talking about" post...
Quoting a "I mad someone caught me botting my ass off and now I can't any more so where am I supposed to get isk now post?" |

Tuireann Naari
Emrys Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.02 00:03:00 -
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Denidil wrote:highonpop wrote: ITs like socialism. It has never worked. Ever.
aren't you an ignorant little ****
People like you are why I can never take any proponent of socialism seriously.
Instead of logical arguments, you fling mud at anyone who disagrees with you. |

Vel'drinn
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.08.02 01:31:00 -
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The changes are lazy and lack imagination. It probably took an afternoon or less to hack off the loot tables and commit for testing. Way I see it if nobody says anything people might get a little too comfortable with these changes.
As a side note, CCP's experiment with removing drone poo obviously did what they wanted. Maybe a little TOO much. Compound drone changes and forevergeddon its no wonder barge balancing is in order. PvP is getting a wee bit expensive, the good ol days of 20m battle-cruisers are long gone. Talk crap as much as you want about drones but they kept costs down and promoted conflict. Nobody cared about losing 20 mil battlecruisers. Good incentive for new pilots to give PvP a go. Now people seem to avoid it like the plague because it costs a lot more. We all want more people to PvP right? |

Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
28
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Posted - 2012.08.02 01:38:00 -
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Denidil wrote:highonpop wrote: ITs like socialism. It has never worked. Ever.
aren't you an ignorant little ****
Socialism works till you run out of other peoples money. Ask Quebec, Ontario, Greece, Spain, ahh list is so long.
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
394
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Posted - 2012.08.02 01:40:00 -
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CCP doesn't deal in fundamentals, so expecting them to make well thought out changes is like expecting a monkey to write the next Apple operating system.
Nerfing drones across the board sucks, because static DED sites are crap now, and drone missions suck too.
It would help if CCP had someone working on content full-time, but if such a person exists, I don't know who it is. This game should be loaded with hundreds of sites and missions per level/faction.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
31
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Posted - 2012.08.02 01:49:00 -
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Vel'drinn wrote:The changes are lazy and lack imagination. It probably took an afternoon or less to hack off the loot tables and commit for testing. Way I see it if nobody says anything people might get a little too comfortable with these changes.
As a side note, CCP's experiment with removing drone poo obviously did what they wanted. Maybe a little TOO much. Compound drone changes and forevergeddon its no wonder barge balancing is in order. PvP is getting a wee bit expensive, the good ol days of 20m battle-cruisers are long gone. Talk crap as much as you want about drones but they kept costs down and promoted conflict. Nobody cared about losing 20 mil battlecruisers. Good incentive for new pilots to give PvP a go. Now people seem to avoid it like the plague because it costs a lot more. We all want more people to PvP right?
To be honest after the last three years of non-stop botting I'm ok with CCP ignoring you, just like they will after they nerf tech and goonies cry, just like they did after they nerfed supers and the ruskies cried. If you do something enough to warrant a nerf you are going to be ignored awhile, and when it comes to the isk creation machine that was the drone lands you ******* earned it. |

Demolishar
United Aggression
308
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Posted - 2012.08.02 01:55:00 -
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I don't live there so...
NERF IT INTO THE GROUND! |

Vel'drinn
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.08.02 02:03:00 -
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Yes, punishing players for CCP design choices is totally the right thing to do. Also, every single drones resident is a botter.
*sigh* |
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