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Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:55:00 -
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post about this, but..
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/xjssf/hans_jagerblitzen_a_member_of_the_csm_exploited/
So, is activating an acceleration gate on arrival to avoid being tackled an exploit?
Spamming the acceleration gate as you land has been a "tactic" used in FW since before Hans started playing eve, the political issue here is an irrelevant distraction. This is the first time in nearly four years of FW that I've heard this described as an "exploit". |

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
177
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:57:00 -
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Lol at the post talking about getting Hans removed from the CSM over this. What is he meant to do? Not warp when landing on a gate?
I did accuse a nulli guy of stabbing the other night when he did this... now that I know this...  |

Cookies'n'Cream
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:05:00 -
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Don't ALL acceleration gates work like this? ....and have since, like, forever? Is DurrDurrDurr just learning to play the game or wut? |

Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1051
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:09:00 -
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Cookies'n'Cream wrote:Don't ALL acceleration gates work like this? ....and have since, like, forever? Is DurrDurrDurr just learning to play the game or wut? He's playing a meta-game with Minmatar.
He seems to think we'll lose massive morale over this, giving up Huola because we're too depressed to defend. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
94
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:10:00 -
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Spot on braitai. |

Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1051
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:11:00 -
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Cookies'n'Cream wrote:Don't ALL acceleration gates work like this? ....and have since, like, forever? Is DurrDurrDurr just learning to play the game or wut? Acceleration gates work similar to system gates. It's not a normal warp ... acceleration gates actually cause a session change. If you spam an acceleration gate, you'll get the Session Change in Progress message.
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Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
183
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:54:00 -
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Durr durr and his band of lemmings are dumb as they come. http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |

Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
256
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:40:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:Durr durr and his band of lemmings are dumb as they come.
Also this plexing systems past vulnerable will be patched out soon enough.
Ironic, that someone in KPP would call someone else dumb. Pot meet kettle?
Also, must be nice being able to get game mechanics changed since the CSM is on your side.
Minmatar dislike a game mechanic = Hans has fixed immediately Amarr dislike a game mechanic = Must be complaining
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Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1051
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:48:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Minmatar dislike a game mechanic = Hans has fixed immediately Amarr dislike a game mechanic = Must be complaining Propaganda much?
Exactly what's been fixed with FW besides the Goon exploits? That wasn't at Hans' request. That's just straight up common sense.
Acceleration gates are an external warp mechanism. It warps the ship, the ship doesn't use it's own warp drive.
And Hans has stated ... if you all want this mechanic to change, email him and he'll escalate the issue with CCP.
But it's been like this for a very long time, and only now are the Amarr making it out to be something new and damaging to the game. As though Amarr have never used it themselves. Stop with the hypocrisy, please.
If you all need a team building exercise, creating false rage over an old mechanic is not the best way to do that. Give each other hugs, instead.
Based on what some people have been saying, acceleration gates have behaved like this for years.
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March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance
235
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Posted - 2012.08.02 09:06:00 -
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i don't care about FW, minmatar and amarr.... However thing existed in game for years can't be simple named "exploit" and become a bannable offense. This is just stupid.
btw: camping gates is stupid too  |

Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
256
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Posted - 2012.08.02 09:19:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pinky Feldman wrote:Minmatar dislike a game mechanic = Hans has fixed immediately Amarr dislike a game mechanic = Must be complaining Propaganda much? Exactly what's been fixed with FW besides the Goon exploits? That wasn't at Hans' request. That's just straight up common sense. Acceleration gates are an external warp mechanism. It warps the ship, the ship doesn't use it's own warp drive. And Hans has stated ... if you all want this mechanic to change, email him and he'll escalate the issue with CCP. But it's been like this for a very long time, and only now are the Amarr making it out to be something new and damaging to the game. As though Amarr have never used it themselves. Stop with the hypocrisy, please. If you all need a team building exercise, creating false rage over an old mechanic is not the best way to do that. Give each other hugs, instead. Based on what some people have been saying, acceleration gates have behaved like this for years. Oh please, you guys have some of the worst propaganda on the planet. First we get criticized for having a poor strategy when we actively contest and then when we stop actively contesting Susan declares victory and Vordak calls leaving systems vulnerable us "abusing" the system. We actually like you in the Amarr militia Poe, even though you die to us in puzzling ways with puzzling fits, your blog posts actually get linked around in our fleets with people quoting parts and saying "at least Poetic understands whats really going on with our side" which is impressive that you're able to see much more big picture than most people seem to be able to.
If you want an exercise in hypocrisy, let me tell you about how Hans told me he can't control Susan or his own militia in response to Susan'stroll post and in the same breath told me I should do my best to control my militia and keep their rhetoric focused and constructive, if I care about the future of FW.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
183
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:34:00 -
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you are not getting anyone banned from action like that.
Warping fleet to gate and spamm acceleration gate activation is valid tactic even without bug so you can not say if they are intentionally exploiting possible bug or is it just coincidence. This tactic has been used many years, it has been use before Hans even started playing. |

Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:36:00 -
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Braitai wrote:I'm not sure if this is the right place to post about this, but.. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/xjssf/hans_jagerblitzen_a_member_of_the_csm_exploited/So, is activating an acceleration gate on arrival to avoid being tackled an exploit? Spamming the acceleration gate as you land has been a "tactic" used in FW since before Hans started playing eve, the political issue here is an irrelevant distraction. This is the first time in nearly four years of FW that I've heard this described as an "exploit".
I'm pretty sure that spamming jump after landing on a stargate is also an exploit .
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
2110
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:56:00 -
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My personal opinion is that this seems like a bug, and it should be fixed. I'll leave the exploit determination to CCP. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
183
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:59:00 -
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Two step wrote:My personal opinion is that this seems like a bug, and it should be fixed. I'll leave the exploit determination to CCP.
this bug has been fixed several times already but it keeps coming back. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
349
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Posted - 2012.08.02 12:04:00 -
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Fail propoganda is fail. 0/10.
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2012.08.02 12:17:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:He's playing a meta-game with Minmatar.
He seems to think we'll lose massive morale over this, giving up Huola because we're too depressed to defend.
He realizes it's not real SOV, right?
Rabble Rabble!! |

Sokor Loro
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
55
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Posted - 2012.08.02 12:25:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:He's playing a meta-game with Minmatar.
He seems to think we'll lose massive morale over this, giving up Huola because we're too depressed to defend. He realizes it's not real SOV, right?
As opposed to....?
Also, I clearly remember being pointed while at 0 on an acceleration gate and not being able to jump. Last night our light stuff had points on targets...and THEN they warped away from us.
It's a bug that needs to be fixed, add it to the list. In itself it's not really an exploit. Doing it over and over, knowing exactly what's going to happen as opposed to what should be happening...thats the sketchy part. I don't think anyone should be banned over it, and I don't think Hans should be removed or anything extreme like that, but it's a CSM member's job to be an example for the community. Failing to point out, "hey, this isn't supposed to work, we probably shouldn't keep doing it" is what is messed up here. |

Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2012.08.02 12:31:00 -
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Guys, things are warping while pointed? What the (ellipses) (question mark) Rabble Rabble!! |

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
153
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Posted - 2012.08.02 12:58:00 -
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Several things fail here:
1. Coming to the forums to 'discuss possible exploits' 2. Idiotic accusations against a CSM just because you dont like them and he probably got away from someone once with a mechanic that has existed since FW began (or longer) 3. Yet more Damar (Oh wait not Damar because that polished turd can't post anymore...) bile 4. The waste of words in replies (including this one.) |

Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2012.08.02 13:13:00 -
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(ellipses) (question mark) Rabble Rabble!! |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2722
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Posted - 2012.08.02 13:59:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: Acceleration gates are an external warp mechanism. It warps the ship, the ship doesn't use it's own warp drive.
Its a nice rationalization but sadly doesn't explain why the gates can't accelerate a ship that happens to be already warp scrambled before the button is clicked 
On the general issue though - its a very very stupid piece of meta-propaganda from the people raising this hue and cry because frankly its something that all sides do and have always done since the acceleration gates were introduced. I'm apparently too stupid to do it myself mind since I've been killed and podded several times on acceleration gates myself 
Still its an issue with session changes, quick warping ships etc. I'd like to see with my own eyes whether its possible for a battlecruiser to manage it going into a major with quick tackle waiting to prevent before getting too crazy about it.
On the whole I don't think it damages the game in any serious way for an outnumbered guerilla fleet of dessies to sneak past a larger group of gate campers to get into a complex where they have to stand and fight anyway if they want to achieve their objective of taking the plex. I mean bloody hell, there's worse rubbish than this in eve to worry about!
I would guess this will all come down to how the foundation mechanics with session changes and grid loading work and you might find its too much development effort to "fix" when CCP need to be spending their time on far more serious issues.
Ultimately ask the question - will it improve the game of Faction Warfare if it becomes possible for a larger force to camp minor acceleration gates with 2000 scan resolution tackle frigates for flawless capture of incoming light ships?
Or would we prefer CCP to spend some time and effort sorting out other aspects of the Faction warfare plexing system.
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:04:00 -
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My question is who doesn't spam "warp" or "jump"?
Are you trying to tell me that Mr. Durrr is an honourable spacediety and he only ever ever presses the button once? Rabble Rabble!! |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2722
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:34:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:My question is who doesn't spam "warp" or "jump"?
Are you trying to tell me that Mr. Durrr is an honourable spacediety and he only ever ever presses the button once?
I'm guessing his argument is because he's not a space-politician he doesn't have to hold himself to the finest traditions of the service that hans does. Back in the day the Caldari claimed that I'd dishonoured the role of CSM chair by hotdropping them with a titan bridge you know Politics is serious business.
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Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
33
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:41:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Back in the day the Caldari claimed that I'd dishonoured the role of CSM chair by hotdropping them with a titan bridge you know  Politics is serious business.
And yet you were unwilling to pay three measly carriers to Damar Rocarion for the well being of all the people in Metropolis. You seemed awfully butthurt back then about us ruining your precious lolplaying enviroment by demonstranting what your good friend Ankh did. And CCP still has not fixed the thing.
History repeating itself much now?
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
80
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:45:00 -
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Yeah! You should have given Damar Rocarian Yuri Intaki three carriers, Jade! Rabble Rabble!! |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2722
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:51:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote: And yet you were unwilling to pay three measly carriers to Damar Rocarion for the well being of all the people in Metropolis. You seemed awfully butthurt back then about us ruining your precious lolplaying enviroment by demonstranting what your good friend Ankh did. And CCP still has not fixed the thing.
Well the mechanic is still pretty stupid Damar. (He's basically referencing the fact that if one has high standings with the Minmatar you can can basically afk plex against minmatar complexes f.ex) You lose standings for shooting the minmatar (or whatever faction npcs) but you lose nothing for completing offensive plexes that actually help take the systems away! Back in the day Damar asked me to pay him 3 carriers or he would use this technique to take away the whole of the warzone from the Minmatar lol!
As for Ankh, well I liked her (she threw a spoon at a fellow CSM during a meeting) - but the way she played FW was pretty twisted.
Yuri Intaki wrote:History repeating itself much now? Perhaps you should circulate an internal memo again. The last one in "K" is pretty hilarious and woefully inaccurate but perhaps this time you get nationalities right.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2722
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:52:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Yeah! You should have given Damar Rocarian Yuri Intaki three carriers, Jade!
I know right.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
88
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:53:00 -
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omfg what is he supposed to do? Not spam it so you can tackle him? LOL So bad. L2P and all that good stuff.
Braitai wrote:I'm not sure if this is the right place to post about this, but.. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/xjssf/hans_jagerblitzen_a_member_of_the_csm_exploited/So, is activating an acceleration gate on arrival to avoid being tackled an exploit? Spamming the acceleration gate as you land has been a "tactic" used in FW since before Hans started playing eve, the political issue here is an irrelevant distraction. This is the first time in nearly four years of FW that I've heard this described as an "exploit".
Is sexy time? |

Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
80
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:54:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Back in the day Damar asked me to pay him 3 carriers or he would use this technique to take away the whole of the warzone from the Minmatar lol!
lol.
I'm glad I discovered Damar. He brightens my EVE experience.
Rabble Rabble!! |
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