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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:32:00 -
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I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:39:00 -
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I used to use EVEMon to look at what skills I'd need for what ships and mods. Never have I made a year-long plan to follow. That'd be too much like work.
Nowadays, EVEMon gets to tell me when I should update a clone or when a queue's about to run out, and that's it. I might replace it with something that complains less, if I ever can be arsed to care.
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Paknac Queltel
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:45:00 -
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Only tried it once to see if I could get it working on my mac.
It did.
Then it crashed. 
Not feel as if I'm missing out on anything. (shrug)
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
TAKEN.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
The issue is with the younger players in your corp, not Evemon.
How about you use your experience to educate them that they can be having fun before their skills train? That's what more experienced players should be doing, not honking about it on forums.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:47:00 -
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I do use a similar program.
Not because I want to be uber or anything, but just because it makes it more easy to see what skillbooks I need to get to be able to advance.
It's not a must but it makes it all a bit more easy.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 11/10/2010 11:49:08
Confirming EVEMon causes depression, total training time remaining: 1402d 8h 15m 2s
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Kalfu
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
Not as depressing as knowing you're 5 years behind players who are so eager to help they go to the forums to complain about your use of planning tools.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:53:00 -
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Your point is valid but it is an excellent tool and far from a cancer, the real cancer is that mindset of "I can't do anything till XYZ skills are trained."
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kalfu
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
Not as depressing as knowing you're 5 years behind players who are so eager to help they go to the forums to complain about your use of planning tools.
Awwww. Need a hug?
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:55:00 -
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I think its good to get the inevitable disappointment out of the way ASAP.
EVEMON is an amazing tool but as you say, its rather like looking at your own life 40 years delayed, which will do for some I'm sure.
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Kalfu
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
Not as depressing as knowing you're 5 years behind players who are so eager to help they go to the forums to complain about your use of planning tools.
Awwww. Need a hug?
Lol
Also, Evemon just helps confirm the myth that moar SP = moar uber.
The fact that someone posted here with "total training time remaining: 1402d 8h 15m 2s" proves my point.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Slavemaster on 11/10/2010 12:02:46
I am from 2003 and i use it all the time......
I use for it for my toons, skills, production, ship layout ++ and cant understand how its possible
without losing out, Not using it...
And if you Dont use it as a trader you are fuc...... Or plain stupid
Regards
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
LOL
In every game people are working and looking forward to a new accomplishment.
Due to EVE's unique skilling mechanisms, the time to reach your next milestone is fixed and EVEmon helps you see when that is and more important, shows you what targets are realistic and which are not.
Well for one thing, EVEmon just shows the facts exactly as they are. If that's depressing, does that say more about (people's disappointment with) EVE's skilling speed or about EVEmon?
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
The fact that someone posted here with "total training time remaining: 1402d 8h 15m 2s" proves my point.
That is on a 90m SP char btw.
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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:04:00 -
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EVEmon is a great tool to help you plan and set your goals.
The tool is great, if new players are depressed at the training time, then you just need to help them with all the stuff they can do right at this moment, or if they have an end goal help them with mini goals along the way.
Lots of people me included use planning tools to help them in game, but the fact that I havent got all the skills doesnt stop me from playing the game now.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:06:00 -
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Soà
àwhat's the problem? The OP isn't entirely clear on that point.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 11/10/2010 12:13:14
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
I think that¦s your problem right there.
I used to be a skillpoint fanatic too and now I so don¦t fracking care anymore. And yes one can fly a ship even with lvl3 or 4 in the skill. 
*Gasp
It¦s true! I saw it on the TeeVee.
BTW nothing bad about Evemon use. It¦s a great tool to use. From the window relocator to the whole skill/ship/item browsing and planing. Frankly this should be an in game feature.
Well at least there are certificates now helping you somewhat with the whole thing.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari
1st Cavalry Division
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:19:00 -
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I'm a 2007 player and use EveMon. It's a must have if you aren't going to waste time.
Why CCP came up with their cryptic certificate planner in an attempt to reinvent the wheel rather than integrate something like EveMon into the game I'll never know...
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I'm a 2007 player and use EveMon. It's a must have if you aren't going to waste time.
Why CCP came up with their cryptic certificate planner in an attempt to reinvent the wheel rather than integrate something like EveMon into the game I'll never know...
The certificates are very handy, if someone wants to know what skills are needed to max out say gunnery they have a quick look at Turret Control Elite. Sure, to actually look up the certificates within EVEMon is even better. 
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:27:00 -
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I am a new player (~2.5 mil SP) and I've been using Evemon since about my first week.
The way I use Evemon isn't to plan out a year's worth of training to one skill, but rather to plan out multiple instances of skills down different paths. This helps see a bigger picture broken down into bite-sized chunks. Additionally I use it to notice any overlap in abilities to help guide me in the right direction with my chosen career(s) in Eve.
For example, I'm currently training up to use my first Mining Barge. Using Evemon I noticed that the difference in time to fly a Procurer vs the time to fly a Retreiver is only 2 days, and if I'm going to spend about 2 weeks training to use a Procurer, I may as well spend the extra 2 days and get into a Retriever which mines 2x as fast and carries 2x as much cargo and has 2x as many hps, and more drones...etc.
(And before someone comes in and yells at me about how terrible highsec mining is, I'm only doing this so I can half-afk and make income while doing my homework with my headphones on. I don't plan to make mining my main source of income, I already have 2 other ways I make a decent chunk of change, mining is just what I plan to do during my down-time.)
In addition while planning out my first Mining Barge, I noticed a huge crossover with the manufacturing side of things. Because I was planning on getting Industrial V and Science V anyways, a lot of time spent getting into a Retriever is time spent focusing on my manufacturing career as well.
Which brings me to my next use of Evemon: Determining Opportunity Cost.
I use Evemon to determine how long it will take me to reach skill X, and skill Y. For example, I play with a friend of mine who runs rank 4s, and lets me do the salvaging and looting. Thus Scrapmetal Processing will increase our income by a decent chunk. However Evemon has told me that in order to train Scrapmetal Processing up to level 1, it'll take me about 40 days from where I am currently. Where as to get Heavy Attack Drones and Drone Interfacing up to decent levels is only about 7 days. An increase in damage will speed up the rank 4s we run, further increasing our income per hour. I used Evemon to determine that this 7 day plan is worth it to train up first, and the 40 day plan is going to take a back seat.
Evemon is a tool, and like any tool it is only as useful as the person using the tool can make it. In the right hands Evemon can be extremely valuable, and in the wrong hands Evemon can be a hinderance. Evemon isn't the problem, the people using Evemon are the problem.
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
Payable on Death
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
Ditto.
It would be interesting to find out the stat for number of people who started playing eve, then got evemon, then who didnt sub after...
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:33:00 -
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Evemon makes people forget that Eve is all about enjoying the journey, not the destination
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Hesperius
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:36:00 -
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Don't be jealous.
... you are definitely better off without it anyway. fo reel.
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:40:00 -
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I found out by examination of the skills that there are some that can be given lower priority.
For example: some skills increase damage - I want to gank so I make those high priority
The skills that allow me to tank come second
the skills that allow me to fit more modules on my ships third
You may find that you can fit and fire the module, but you cant do other things at the same time... (like tank)
and where you can't find how the skills affect your ship - I find EveHQ does a fine job with the ship fitter....
my 2c worth
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Evemon makes people forget that Eve is all about enjoying the journey, not the destination
Not really. At least not for thoose who know what they are doing. :)
EVEmon like any other EVE tool, is just a tool. EVEmon in particular is great at keeping track of your skill plans, and for genral planning of what ship and path you wish to specialize in. Its also good as a quick reference for what each skill does, and is handy for calculating remaps.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 11/10/2010 12:54:22
EVEMon lets me know when I should log back because my queue has room for extra skills.
And lets me see quite a few item stats without logging in.
Cancer ? Who cares. It's useful.
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illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
TL:DR people don't play the way i do, cry cry cry.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:56:00 -
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my main use for evemon has pretty much always been okay when does the skill I am training now end?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.11 12:58:00 -
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I use EVEMon to keep track of my S&I jobs.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
CareBears on Fire
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:02:00 -
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I like the skill training planner in EveHQ, not because I'm twiddling my thumbs while I wait for XYZ skill to train but because it lets me plan out the next six - nine months worth of training so I can keep track of when things are going to end, and what's coming next.
If your new players are waiting for skills to finish, that's a player perception problem, not a problem with the tools. Teach them what they can do with the skills they have now.
Further, this just serves to illustrate the point that a lot of the players in Eve will ***** and moan about anything - this is the same damned argument I hear about Learning Skills:
"ZOMG get rid of learning skillz plox. New players hate them because they have to wait for them to train!!!!!one!!!!!!eleventy!!!1"
No, they bloody well don't, but they don't understand that because they have older players yelling it at them from the second they log in.
--Vel
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