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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:09:00 -
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Bha.....
Ok, listen to the master. Everything about eve-mon is pure gold. I got over 300 orders, and more than 1 toon+
- EM will tell me when its sold, when I bought it. - When I have produced my stuff
Other stuff. Skill planning for alts, and noob friendly and its a must for every player.
In short dont laugh at things you dont understand
Regards
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Ramingo
Caldari Payable on Death
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:12:00 -
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Evemon is great for above mentioned reasons. Outdated clone warning = gold, free time in skill queue = gold, effect of implants/learning skills on a mid-term skill plan = also awesome.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:14:00 -
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The only thing i use EM for is to get a quick check of the skill runtime of my chars.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:23:00 -
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It's just a tool, like any other.
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Dagny Bronstein
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dagny Bronstein on 11/10/2010 13:31:57
I usually have one main skillplan which spans at least 3-4 months (occasionally up to 6-12 months) and which I never follow. It just exists to remind me of the most important skills I am still missing.
(e.g. I started training AWU V on my 2 year old main only last week because there are very few cases in which the extra PG would impact how I fit a ship and in high-sec I use PG hardwirings anyways -- nevertheless it is good to remind yourself that you definitely should train this skill at some point even if it doesn't appear super-useful at any given moment).
Then I have specialized skillplans to see how long it would take me to fly certain ships/fill certain roles reasonably well ...
Let's say I have some spare cash and want to spend it on something a little fancy. Maybe I should try an Ashimmu in pvp? So I will first head to battleclinic/shc to read up on common fittings and then try to do a decent skill plan based on that - how long would it take me to train minmatar cruiser to lvl IV? I probably should train the Energy Emission Systems skill to lvl5 if I want to fly Blood Raider ships well... Is there anything I can train to improve my cap on that particular fitting? maybe an additional level in acceleration control would help... Perhaps this would be a good time to train my medium pulse laser spec up an additional level as well? This usually results in a 10-40 day skillplan on which I can base my decision whether to buy that ship or not and which I would follow relatively closely if I decided to do so.
Evemon (with some help from EFT) is very good at answering the question "How long would it take me to train for that ship, taking into account relevant support skills?". Answering this question by hand would require a lot more work.
For example I currently have the following skillplans on my main: "carrier", "nightmare", "minnie [cruiser]", "guardian", "current" (my general skillplan)
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:35:00 -
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Currently trolling: OP 1337 SP/Hour 2 hours, 3 minutes, 51 seconds
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:35:00 -
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I personally use EVEmon for its handy dandy remapping function. Just started down the road to caps and thanks to EVEmon, I was able to save months of time over the next year I've devoted to developing my capital skills. I like me
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Mazzarins Demise
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:35:00 -
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I use EVEmon just because it can make EVE's windowed mode fill the entire desktop, removing the annoying borders and taskbar at the bottom of the screen.
That alone warrants the download in my opinion. The rest is just icing on the cake. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
In the days before the skillqueue, Evemon was something of an essential in order to avoid those 4AM skillchanges. Now I use it to make sure my skillqueue doesn't need refilling while I'm on holiday or something. Evemon, used properly is a helpful tool for scheduling skills, and judging cost-benefits of training this skill rather than that skill.
But yes, your point is a good one. Evemon used improperly can be depressing and misleading, and I cant help feeling that it causes more problems than it solves, if some of the threads in the Skills folder are any indication.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:44:00 -
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OP is an EvEMon dev alt checking to see whether enough people jump in to rescue its e-honeur in order to gauge whether it would be worthwhile to charge RL money for it. C/D?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:50:00 -
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@op
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zaqar It's just a tool, like any other.
In the sense that it is only as usefull as the indivudal that holds it
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk OP is an EvEMon dev alt checking to see whether enough people jump in to rescue its e-honeur in order to gauge whether it would be worthwhile to charge RL money for it. C/D?
That's me rumbled then
Clearly starting a threadnaught attacking your own product is an elite marketing ploy.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.11 14:08:00 -
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People plan to fly ships in the future? I'm shocked and appalled.
Is the OP telling us that he has never planned more than one skill in advance, and has never tried to plan to buy ships in time to be able to fly them?
That's pretty daft if you ask me.
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Troll Bridgington
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2010.10.11 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise I use EVEmon just because it can make EVE's windowed mode fill the entire desktop, removing the annoying borders and taskbar at the bottom of the screen.
That alone warrants the download in my opinion. The rest is just icing on the cake.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.11 14:24:00 -
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Agreed. Only use it for background checks on other people's API's :)
I like those, "hmm what shall I train now" moments and I change my mind on skills and goals all the time. Recruiting! |
Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.10.11 14:27:00 -
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I guess to me, I don't get why the OP seems to think using Evemon to plan your skills means you aren't making the most of what hou have now and enjoying the game. It seems like to seperate things in my mind.
I have a plan in Evemon to get me a HIC and a HAC, with the full T2 fittings. It has about 60 days left (mainly Cruiser to 5 and Medium Projectile turret to 5). I am excited to be able to fly the Broadsword and the Munnin.
That said, I'm still missioning in my Ravens, mining in my Rokh when in need of minerals, exploring in my Cheetah and Drakes, and making pretty explosions with my Hound. There is a disconnect between what I plan and what I am doing now, and I enjoy both aspects of the game. I just don't get the OP's mentality that people who use Evemon to plan aren't enjoying playing the game before the plan completes.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.11 14:41:00 -
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I personally prefer GTKEveMon, but hey, it's a matter of taste.
I do, however, share the OP's dislike of year-long skill plans. My advice for new players is to have a basic skill plan with things like learning and support skills, and then train whatever they feel like training. When you're lost and don't know what to train, you revert back to the basic plan with support skills.
Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:04:00 -
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I like to plan my training in EVEMon, then not stick to the plan...
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill I do, however, share the OP's dislike of year-long skill plans. My advice for new players is to have a basic skill plan with things like learning and support skills, and then train whatever they feel like training. When you're lost and don't know what to train, you revert back to the basic plan with support skills.
This is what I'm getting at tbh.
There's nothing wrong with having a short to mid-term goal like a few weeks or a month or so for a particular ship you want to use, but I don't see why you'd need/want to use Evemon to tell you that you won't be flying something for another year or whatever.
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Gewrixlera
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:22:00 -
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Quote:
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
This has nothing to do with EVEMon - as many others have said.
EVEMon has many great uses, one of my favorite is WTF - I want to fly a ship fit this way, what skills do I need based on where I am now?
The fact that my Carrier training plan is a year long is a side issue/benefit, but setting milestones for each of those multi-hundred-million-isk skillbooks is useful, so I can train the less-expensive support skills while saving for the big books, and it all adds up in the end.
TLDR: EVEMon isn't the issue, the fact that your corpmates feel they can't fly a ship until skill X is at a particular level is either an issue for your corp leadership or those pilots, not EVEMon...
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
This is what I'm getting at tbh.
There's nothing wrong with having a short to mid-term goal like a few weeks or a month or so for a particular ship you want to use, but I don't see why you'd need/want to use Evemon to tell you that you won't be flying something for another year or whatever.
In some cases, I agree. However, what is you really want to fly a capital ship? Save for maybe Frieghters, aren't most cap ship plans, including fitting, close to a year? I know for my character, a carrier with a fit was some 220 days away. Now granted, that's not something I am working towards. Still, it's just interesting to see that if I wanted to do X, I need to train for Y days.
As for the talk from the noobs, perhaps it's more that they simply don't have much else to talk about. They can't talk about their current leet fits simply becasue they don't have the fits yet. You and the other vets do, and probably talk about them a bit. The noobs only have the future to talk about because to compare to you guys, they don't have anything they feel would be worthwhile to the conversation at the moment.
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Whiny McEmokid
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
Evemon is awesome, you are the cancer.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/10/2010 15:42:04 Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/10/2010 15:41:18
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar The fact that someone posted here with "total training time remaining: 1402d 8h 15m 2s" proves my point.
That is on a 90m SP char btw.
/confirms that me too feels like a noob when using EveMon. 332d or so of skills queued
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cBOLTSON
Reaction Theory Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
Evemon is accurate and gives people 'milestones' to attain as they progress in the game. Stop trying to disparage something that helps newer players along. I have used evemon for allmost the whole time ive been playing. You should give it a try, it makes things a hell of a lot easier.
Its kinda like saying 'why use a calculator when you can be super-pro-oldschool-vet and use an abacus' ....
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.11 15:58:00 -
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It's not necessary at all, and doesn't even offer an advantage except what a day planner may to the chronically forgetful, but some people simply like having things like that to play around with.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.11 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yakumo Smith The issue is with the younger players in your corp, not Evemon.
How about you use your experience to educate them that they can be having fun before their skills train? That's what more experienced players should be doing, not honking about it on forums.
+1 This is what happens when you get a corp full of wow rejects
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.10.11 16:40:00 -
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Is this another one of those... you don't play the game the way I do, therefor, you suck.
Some people enjoy turning rocks into ISK. Some people enjoy seeing other peoples' ships into wrecks. Some people enjoy building a corp from a few newb freinds into a large, well integrated fighting unit. Some like to plant their flag and shape the political landscape of the universe.
Some judge their success on how many kills they have. Some judge their success on how few losses they have. Some judge their success on the amount of ISK in their wallet. Some judge their success by how many well researched BPOs they have. Some judge success on how fast they can tear through an L4 missions. Some judge their success by how many players are in their corp.
And, YES, some judge their succes by ability to fly a certain ship.
So, perhaps the OP is a PVPer that wants people out of station where he can kill them. Perhaps he is angry that they are sitting in station talking about how many days until they can fly an XYZ. Oh... if only no EVEMON, they wouldn't know how long until XYZ, and they'd be out here in space where I can kill them. WRONG! If they aren't into killing and dieing, then instead of in station playing with EVEMON, they'd be missioning to fatten their wallet, or doing stuff to build their corp, or.... whatever.
You need to find people that play the game the way you want, NOT try to transform those that play it a differnt way.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.10.11 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 11/10/2010 16:41:54
Originally by: LHA Tarawa Is this another one of those... you don't play the game the way I do, therefor, you suck.
Some people enjoy turning rocks into ISK. Some people enjoy seeing other peoples' ships into wrecks. Some people enjoy building a corp from a few newb freinds into a large, well integrated fighting unit. Some like to plant their flag and shape the political landscape of the universe.
Some judge their success on how many kills they have. Some judge their success on how few losses they have. Some judge their success on the amount of ISK in their wallet. Some judge their success by how many well researched BPOs they have. Some judge success on how fast they can tear through an L4 missions. Some judge their success by how many players are in their corp.
And, YES, some judge their succes by ability to fly a certain ship.
So, perhaps the OP is a PVPer that wants people out of station where he can kill them. Perhaps he is angry that they are sitting in station talking about how many days until they can fly an XYZ. Oh... if only no EVEMON, they wouldn't know how long until XYZ, and they'd be out here in space where I can kill them. WRONG! If they aren't into killing and dieing, then instead of in station playing with EVEMON, they'd be missioning to fatten their wallet, or doing stuff to build their corp, or.... whatever.
You need to find people that play the game the way you want, NOT try to transform those that play it a differnt way.
Not a bad post this
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Horrus Khrosian
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Posted - 2010.10.11 16:45:00 -
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I can't imagine playing long-term without it now tbh. Evemon allows me to get the most out of my skills and in a game where training time is often the biggest restricting factor in being able to experience new content, that's an issue anyone under 100mil sp is probably going to face.
Yeah, if I was an '04 account and had everything already then there would be little point in evemon aside from the "most sp" metagame, but for those of us who came later to the party it's invaluable help for getting to the skills we need efficiently. The journey is the fun part, but there's no reason to refuse help and direction in that journey.
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