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Jim Tudeski
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Posted - 2010.10.11 16:47:00 -
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Only 256 days until I have maxed Leaderships skills and can finally use my alt! 
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 16:51:00 -
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If you truly dont understand why new players use evemon you are a ****ing idiot. If you dont agree with why they use it you are simply disagreeing with them.
You explicitly informed us that it was the former.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Cipher Jones
If you truly dont understand why new players use evemon you are a ****ing idiot. If you dont agree with why they use it you are simply disagreeing with them.
You explicitly informed us that it was the former.
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He does understand.... but he doesn't like it.
The new players are off doing things they enjoy. He wants them out in space getting killed, because killing them is what he enjoys.
This is no different than the "get rid of high sec asteroids to force people into low sec", or the "Nerf high sec L4s to force people out into low sec"... or whatever.
If people are off playing the game the way they want, then they aren't playing the game the way he wants them to. What he fails to realize is that attempting to force people to play the way he wants them to, will result in most of them not playing at all.
If you are a PVPer looking for targets to kill, what is the difference to you if they are in station or the acount doesn't exist at all?
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
nothing wrong with planning ahead guy. my skill training plan for instance ends in early 2019.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:50:00 -
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I had the opposite problem.
I knew immediately what I wanted to do, and since the math in Eve is middle-school stuff at best I charted out an optimum skill plan (on paper) in about an hour and a half, and then executed it in a couple months (Stealth Bombers, wheeeeeeeeeeee).
Then...
...well, 'then' nothing. I already have what I want (SB and, obviously, exploration skills, because what else would you train when you get the free super-scanning boat). Now I kind of wander around taking whatever looks mildly interesting, and my corp-mates all kind of complain about my lack of focus. Not too loudly, of course, I'm an SB pilot who often plays after coming back from the bar and I have dropped a bomb on an ally before (in my defense, it was a neutral alt).
I feel like I need another goal to focus the training again (beyond 'hey, target painting is a KIND of support skill...) and maybe EveMon would help. Unfortunately, I kind of feel like OP about it (it's a bit of a depressing crutch) so I can't bring myself to actually use the damned thing.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:25:00 -
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I really don't understand why people, especially vets, don't use Evemon. It must be so depressing not to be able to see all the skills you plan on training, nicely all lined up.
Virtually all the players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a tool, never bothering to quote anything about it, as its useful and it saves them time, time they use to talk about more interesting stuff.
Start planning your skills with Evemon, save yourself time, and allow yourself to make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2006 player and have never used Evemon btw. Not that either of those pieces of information are relevant.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
The younger players in my main's pvp corp use Evemon like a bible, quoting things like "Zomg! 43 days until I can use a HAC! I can will have a Pilgrimz and Recon 5 in 68 days! This time next year, I will be soooo uber" etc etc
Stop planning how you will play EVE in xx many days, HTFU, make the most of what you have now and enjoy the game!
I am a 2004 player and have never used Evemon btw.
Never used Evemon, although I do use the certificate planner as a guide these days, probably have about 8 months planned but not interested to know the exact amount of time.
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Guilliman R
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:31:00 -
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Evemon helped me most efficiently train research alts (pew 14 days!). I also managed to loose 40 days worth of training from my carrier 'in my head plan'.
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Metalcali
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:37:00 -
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Confirming that evemon made me lose my job, stole my wife, and kicked my dog  |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:51:00 -
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evemons current use for me has taken a backseat to other things..
I rarely ever use evemon for skill plans in the long term any more, much less stick to them. evemon's use is industry and market related stuff is more than useful..
but more importantly, it helps me keep track of corporate noobs. I can keep track of my own skills fairly easily, hell, i log into eve most every day.. it is those other people that im attempting to teach that I need evemon's help keeping track of.
Otherwise, I just train whatever I feel like training. Im at the point where I can fly most anything comfortably, so exactly what I am training when is no longer a concern. Hell, i gave up implants because im too lazy to ask the lp store for an updated set each time I die.
/60m sp 06 char
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kalfu
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon. It must be so depressing to see a years worth of skill training all lined up.
Not as depressing as knowing you're 5 years behind players who are so eager to help they go to the forums to complain about your use of planning tools.
Now there's some lulls.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people use Evemon.
#1 - Window relocator
#2 - Connection to Battleclinic loadouts (much easier to use then their terrible website based search tool)
#3 - The easiest blueprint ME and material requirements calculator I used so far
#4 - Complete and very well organized OOG database of ships and modules
#5 - Industrial jobs listing
#6 - Skill planning (yes, it's on #6 in my list)
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Plus, being an old fashion desktop application programmer, I respect anyone who makes a real application instead making a web based bull**** and calling it "an application". (Life, however, does have a sense of irony - I currently make my living by writing php code )
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LittleTerror
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:15:00 -
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I don't use it either OP, most my skills take a long time so its depressing using it to make a plan to follow what I will use it for though its help remap my attributes. I tend to trading lvl 5 ships skills these days so I'm mostly perception and willpower but I threw in a few intel and memory skills into an evemon plan to get a more balanced attribute layout.
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Cathode'Ray
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:15:00 -
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Using evemon is no different from browsing this forum, or using a 3rd party website; it is a tool, an adjunct to the game. Besides, I don't know anyone who has set out a 12 month skill plan and stuck to it religiously, players tend to use it as a general guide.
Another benefit for newer players is the ability to browse ships and equipment and get an "idea" of the time investment required, they may realise they can start using X ship type much sooner than they thought and decide to train for it, or even stumble across information they knew nothing about.
It's all good, if you don't want to use it , all well and good, DONĘT; but whining about it like a little girl because it is not your cup of tea, makes as much sense as making door handles out of fresh cream.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:25:00 -
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I regularly setup year long training plans and have no problem knowing it will take a year to finish...
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Brutorr
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Posted - 2010.10.11 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran
Your point is valid but it is an excellent tool and far from a cancer, the real cancer is that mindset of "I can't do anything till XYZ skills are trained."
Fly a Blackbird correctly without Electronic Warfare and then read your quote again.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.11 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/10/2010 23:58:39
Originally by: Sader Rykane
I regularly setup year long training plans and have no problem knowing it will take a year to finish...
I like setting up year long skill plans to make sure I make good use of a remap. And then I subsequently ignore them and go about training whatever.
-Liang
Ed: Right now, I'm supposed to be training some manufacturing skill, but instead I'm training Armored Warfare Spec 5... on two accounts. #epicfail
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Cipher Jones
If you truly dont understand why new players use evemon you are a ****ing idiot. If you dont agree with why they use it you are simply disagreeing with them.
You explicitly informed us that it was the former.
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He does understand.... but he doesn't like it.
Originally by: OPMcObvioustroll
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon.
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Theron Iyayora
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:15:00 -
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I use a pen and paper to make my skill plans, and tick them off as I train them. Whenever I say this people are utterly shocked and instantly become aggressive toward me, and something similar to a Spanish Inquisition begins. I'm told it can help me train things quicker, but if my learnings are 4/4 then how can it? If I have 4 skills to train, 1 will take 1 hour, another 2 hours, another 3 hours, another 4 hours, it's going to take me 10 hours whichever order I put them in, now that the learning skills and implants are all in. It's the same for 20 skills that will take 6 months. I don't play eve like some sort of powergamer where everything needs to be perfect, I just play it like I want to.
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Khors
Amtek Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:51:00 -
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I only made a one year plan once, and it's more or less a list of skills that I should train when I can't think of anything better.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.10.12 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Iyayora
I use a pen and paper to make my skill plans, and tick them off as I train them. Whenever I say this people are utterly shocked and instantly become aggressive toward me, and something similar to a Spanish Inquisition begins. I'm told it can help me train things quicker, but if my learnings are 4/4 then how can it? If I have 4 skills to train, 1 will take 1 hour, another 2 hours, another 3 hours, another 4 hours, it's going to take me 10 hours whichever order I put them in, now that the learning skills and implants are all in. It's the same for 20 skills that will take 6 months. I don't play eve like some sort of powergamer where everything needs to be perfect, I just play it like I want to.
Amongst our weaponary... are such elements as peer pressure, mockery... I'll come in again.
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2010.10.12 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Iyayora
I use a pen and paper to make my skill plans, and tick them off as I train them. Whenever I say this people are utterly shocked and instantly become aggressive toward me, and something similar to a Spanish Inquisition begins. I'm told it can help me train things quicker, but if my learnings are 4/4 then how can it? If I have 4 skills to train, 1 will take 1 hour, another 2 hours, another 3 hours, another 4 hours, it's going to take me 10 hours whichever order I put them in, now that the learning skills and implants are all in. It's the same for 20 skills that will take 6 months. I don't play eve like some sort of powergamer where everything needs to be perfect, I just play it like I want to.
lol@paper
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Darion Amador
Muppet Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.10.12 09:50:00 -
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Op is merely projecting deep depression over training skills. Nothing to worry about, move along kids.
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.12 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 12/10/2010 10:00:00
It's impressive software. Simple and 100% effective at what it does.
I love using it, but I only do short-term plans. 1 week I want to mine, so I'll plan a prompt crash-plan for something on the weekend. Or I'll switch to missions on the dime and EVEMon is there to facilitate a quick and easy plan to follow.
I'm actually quite a roleplayer in most games, a bit of a 'realist' or 'purist'. I like my games to be more immersive, and less spreadsheet. I don't mind EVE's mathuhmaticks, I quite like it, but sometimes it's good to fall back on something to free up space in your mind for something else.
Also, the window relocator. Man. I would seriously not be playing EVE without the effortless EVEMon relocator.
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Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.10.12 10:09:00 -
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Eve mon is a good thing. Apart from the clone renawal warning allows to just check the perspectives for the future.
Make your plan, make the best of EVE as it is now. I personally love eve mon, I don't want to write on paper what kind of skills I want to do, I just put in a goal into a skill planner and later just shove the skills in, sometimes with some side skills to eve.
Plus, it's sometimes hard to determine what is the best option at some point, good for eve mon to check and not count manually.
You don't like it, great, be quiet, you like it, great, go about your business :)
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2010.10.12 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
I really don't understand why people, especially noobs, use Evemon...
"I don't understand why, therefore I spit on it!"
What beautiful attitude you have.
So what if you don't understand? There are plenty of us who does.
Should we stop using it just because you doesn't?
EVEmon also helps with easier attributes remapping, provides loads if fitting info's with links to forum discussions.
It looks, works and its regularly updated like commercial applications,
which means a lot of efforts from its author(s).
Anyway, did you made anything useful for community by yourself?
BTW. kudos to all involved in EVEmon project. \o/
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Krispy Dingo
Minmatar
Strangers in a Strange Land
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Posted - 2010.10.14 20:55:00 -
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How is planning for the future not making the most of right now?
If these n00b5 are sitting, spinning in station for that entire time, then they shouldn't be playing in the first place.
EVEMon is a tool and a time saver, nothing more. Skills will never make you nber 1337, you have to get your ass out there and play the damn game.
And the only reason I use EVEMon is because, while EVEHQ runs in Wine on my Mac now, it is barely running at best and like utter garbage.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.14 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Krispy Dingo
If these n00b5 are sitting, spinning in station for that entire time, then they shouldn't be playing in the first place.
Hey, station spinners are also paying customers!!
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2010.10.14 21:03:00 -
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Without Evemon I wouldn't know that I only have 6d 8m 24s before I can make a meaningful contribution to this thread. |
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