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FWReport
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Posted - 2010.10.12 17:43:00 -
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I am proud to announce the launching of the Faction Warfare Report, a reputable, unbiased 3rd party hub of the latest news and relevant subject matter dealing with all things Faction War.
The community is invited to take a pro-active part in the development of this blog and I will happily accept* independent articles from amateur journalists and columnists. I would also happily accept more full-time commitments to the production of FW subject matter, particularly that which deals with Caldari-Gallente spheres of influence as my personal exposure to that half of Faction Warfare is limited.
*Note: Any potential submitted articles must be from an unbiased, objective perspective. FW Report is here to report the facts, not make subjective analysis.
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 17:46:00 -
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Looks sweet so far, interested to see where this goes.
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Draco Rosso
Caldari
Draconian Armada
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:10:00 -
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I write a small piece about the Gal/Caldari War on my corp.Æs site every month. Let me know in game if you need anything. IÆm not journalist by any stretch of the imagination put I keep myself very informed on the events in Caldari side.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:24:00 -
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Nitpicking time:
How can it be reputable if its just been launched?
Will keep an eye on it but seriously doubt it will be unbiased for long, nothing is when it comes to this dirty war of ours :D
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Kora Zilesti
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:27:00 -
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October 12th, 2010: Faction warfare forces don't mobilize into enemy territory. Caldari and Gallente fighters don't clash in great skirmishes across their respective space. The war continues to not be the most interesting thing since the Jove war, and millions of people are not held thrall to the stunning spectacle of competing empires.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:26:00 -
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There will be a seduction to try and use captions for maximum emotional impact like: 'Amarr Militia Devastated', but it will not help in establishing your non-bias. I think there are many potential customers for such a journal, but only if it appears relatively unbiased. (Yes, I said appears, not is).
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:34:00 -
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Oh, and if you want to put someone in the spotlight, it helps if you ask others of those people's opinions to avoid the 'tooting one's own horn' syndrome.
I am very grateful for your creation of a news portal btw
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FWReport
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Posted - 2010.10.13 04:22:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback everyone, I'll definitely take everything into consideration.
If you do feel you could contribute to the Blog then by all means send an article my way; there isn't really a need for "specific" articles so it is hard for me to ask someone to write something -- anything of any importance that goes down, be it fleet fights, POS takedowns, major corporations joining or leaving, etc, all is welcome on the FW Report.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:10:00 -
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Your facts are already inaccurate. During the engagement between Minmatar and Amarr forces you reported, we had three guardians, and Predator Elite was nowhere to be seen.
You should perhaps name your sources.
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Vyktor Abyss
The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.10.13 14:29:00 -
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I flew with Leoline in Ionstar. Does that make me famous too? 
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FWReport
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Posted - 2010.10.13 16:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Eran Mintor
Edited by: Eran Mintor on 13/10/2010 11:25:02
Your facts are already inaccurate. During the engagement between Minmatar and Amarr forces you reported, we had three guardians, and Predator Elite was nowhere to be seen.
You should perhaps name your sources.
Edit: And the recent report with kill-mail link also shows your facts are inaccurate. 17 =/= "roughly 30 each", and a t2&3/bs fleet vs bs/t1 cruiser fleet is not roughly the same either. I don't mean to be a stickler, but if you have a ways to go to make this a "reputable" FW news source.
I would appreciate if you took a less combative tone; I don't know why you feel the need to subtly attack my reputability rather than constructively point out journalistic errors.
I was wrong about the number of Guardians; I reported two (not three) when there was only one. However I stand by the report that Predator Elite was present and has been in a number of militia engagements since he left FW.
And as for the recent report concerning AUTOZ/Snatch Victory the battle report doesn't show the other logistics forces present as they did not engage in hostile activity. I stand by that report as well.
If you have any further questions or would like to report errors please don't hesitate to contact me on the FW Report website or through in-game Evemail.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.13 17:09:00 -
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I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with Eran... Predator Elite wasn't at the fight (believe me when I say this, when we see Pred on field he is immediately set as primary target), the Amarr fleet had 3 Guardians on field, and there was only 1 Minmitar Militia carrier on field (the Archon).
Don't always go by the killboard reports alone... try asking witnesses or even the combatants themselves what happened and piece together the exact scenario.
Rumors are also bad to put in news stories. It's like saying "the flood may wash down the ravine and wipe out the town at the foot of the valley... but we can't be entirely sure."
Stick to facts and THEN branch out.
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FWReport
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers
Predator Elite wasn't at the fight (believe me when I say this, when we see Pred on field he is immediately set as primary target)
At risk of exposing confidential informants I will only say that I again stand by the report, and remind you that the blog is not "in-character".
I have also verified that two Minmatar carriers were seen.
Overall most of these are rather minor facts (whether there were 2 or 3 Guardians, 1 or 2 carriers).
As for "sticking to facts" and "piecing together the exact scenario", such things may seem a relatively easily accomplished tasked but the "science" of journalism is far from infallible; only a truely omnipotent entity could hope to communicate 100% reliable and accurate statements; unfortunately the human mind is just too fallible to ensure that any report will be completely accurate regardless of how many witnesses are questioned and sources of information used. I apologize for any inaccuracies and can only pledge that FW Report will strive to correct any inaccurate statements as well as take into consideration all feedback; this I believe has been shown through my personal editing of several articles based on feedback given.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.13 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: FWReport
I have also verified that two Minmatar carriers were seen.
On field or in system? There's a big difference between the two. I only saw one on field.
Originally by: FWReport
Overall most of these are rather minor facts (whether there were 2 or 3 Guardians, 1 or 2 carriers).
The difference between 2 and 3 guardians and 1 or 2 carriers is vast. Those are not "minor" facts.
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Sural Alpha
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Posted - 2010.10.13 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: FWReport
a reputable, unbiased 3rd party hub
Just because you say it doesn't make it so. |
FWReport
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Posted - 2010.10.13 22:37:00 -
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I had made a better reply but the forums decided that logging me out and causing me to lose everything I wrote would be appropriate at this time so here's a shorter version:
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On field or in system? There's a big difference between the two. I only saw one on field.
When the Minmatar fleet undocked from station two carriers were among them. Whether both arrived on field, I can't verify at the moment.
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The difference between 2 and 3 guardians and 1 or 2 carriers is vast. Those are not "minor" facts.
How are these major facts when the focus of the article is on a fleet engagement and its outcome and not the minute details of each fleet's specific composition?
It seems to me that you are rather preoccupied with trying to downplay what forces your side had while elevating what strengths your opponents had. While I appreciate feedback on the blog I don't appreciate when that feedback is part of a personal agenda to have me modify my articles because you don't feel you've been "praised" enough in it.
I simply report facts as accurately as possible based on the information I attain through various sources. Given that my reports thus far seem to have attracted animosity from both sides, I seem to be doing something right.
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jasper beamsalot
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.13 23:15:00 -
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Keep up the good work, Yes the nitty gritty details about the battles are not 100% but, meh, it gives the general idea of what happened. You think your local paper is more accurate?
Anyway. nice post rate, hope you keep it up, gives me something to 'work' on when not able to log on to eve....
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Andre Vauban
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.13 23:32:00 -
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Maybe see if you can get a section on eve news 24 rather than starting a new page? Either way I hope it works as it would be nice to have a fw news source.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.10.13 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Andre Vauban
Maybe see if you can get a section on eve news 24 rather than starting a new page? Either way I hope it works as it would be nice to have a fw news source.
Erm, you don't get revenue sharing on Eve News 24, much more cash in plastering ads on your own page once it has a decent number of visitors. |
FWReport
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Posted - 2010.10.13 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Andre Vauban
Maybe see if you can get a section on eve news 24 rather than starting a new page? Either way I hope it works as it would be nice to have a fw news source.
All due respect to my fellow journalists, I am disappointed with the rather unprofessional quality of EveNews24's articles and wanted to aim for something of higher quality, and thought that creating an independent news blog would be more appropriate. This is why even though I am willing to accept outside articles, I will be personally vetting and editing them.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Foundation
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Posted - 2010.10.14 03:41:00 -
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"reputable" and "wordpress" do not belong in the same paragraph.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.10.14 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
"reputable" and "wordpress" do not belong in the same paragraph.
... because as we all know, the choice of blog software directly relates to the quality of the content.  |
Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.10.14 06:57:00 -
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keep posting and ignore *****ing on forums. try to be unbiased as fw is quite emmo place, but ignore it
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Foundation
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Posted - 2010.10.14 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
"reputable" and "wordpress" do not belong in the same paragraph.
... because as we all know, the choice of blog software directly relates to the quality of the content.
Well really, the use of any blog software pretty much guarantees the content will be trashy. But i guess all the blogger sheep dont really have any idea of what quality is.
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Milamara
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Posted - 2010.10.14 16:56:00 -
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So I got bored at work, had a look at this "reputable" blog and came to the conclusion that FWReport = Leoline.
The self-centered Q&A is really all that was needed to make that determination. An "independent" and "reputable" "journalist" would refrain from using leading questions, and would as a matter of fact not even be able to come up with jump-to-conclusions questions like that.
Nice try, but that's not going anywhere, just rename it to Leoline's Look at FW and move on.
Also, learn to spell independent. |
FWReport
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Posted - 2010.10.14 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Milamara
An "independent" and "reputable" "journalist" would refrain from using leading questions
I can only assume you've never actually been exposed to any sort of interviewing process and are just throwing around buzzwords because asking "leading questions" is an integral part of the interview process. It is up to the interviewer to frame the entire conversation around a certain process or arc to provide for an article-friendly piece containing information deemed relevant by the interviewer. This isn't an autobiography.
Thank you for the attention however. And no, I am not Leoline.
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Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.10.14 19:28:00 -
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I'm glad to see this, and will be reading often.
Best of luck maintaining 'journalistic integrity' and the like. It's not easy to sort through the chaff.
CARDINAL - xDIAx
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Solvo Mancipium
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Posted - 2010.10.14 20:11:00 -
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I dig it so far and will be reading daily.
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Milamara
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Posted - 2010.10.14 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: FWReport
It is up to the interviewer to frame the entire conversation around a certain process or arc to provide for an article-friendly piece containing information deemed relevant by the interviewer.
This is just one way to say: I have an agenda! This totally contradicts the unbiased 3rd party claim you were trying to make.
Let's have a look, shall we?
How you arrived at "Does CVA routinely send ôtrouble pilotsö to FW as punishment?" is unclear at very best. This would imply that anyone has any power over another in EVE in terms of corp choices pilots make. Pilots are sent to the penal colony! What's more likely is that a pilot was separated from a corp because he or she didn't fit (nothing special about that, happens 540720542 times a day in EVE, every single day) FW probably was a suggestion since CVA made the claim of being Amarr Loyalists and it stands to reason that pilots who didn't fit into the alliance were asked to consider FW to not be totally lost to the Amarrian cause. Just LOL@punishment. Since you have oh-so-much journalistic experience you may want to consider to not mix tenses when interviewing someone (even if it is just an imaginary interview). What happened to one pilot years ago has no bearing on what the (practically non-existent) CVA does today.
"What did people call Gangleri back then?"
None of the prior questions suggest that Gangleri was called anything but Gangleri, so if one were to believe you and you are not in fact Leoline, then you are someone who is/was at least familiar with what happened on VVs voice comms. That role players give themselves titles isn't anything special, yet you chose to ridicule Gangleri by injecting the Q&A about his title into an interview about another pilot. That's your choice of course but don't try and pass it off as unbiased.
The rest of it is just more narcissistic; Leoline you are so great!
No, I am really not ..., but thanks for noticing!
The majority of players has never even heard of Leoline. Instead of an informative interview all we got was emo drama with a side of personal vendetta. Don't they teach to consider the audience and ask why the audience should care anymore? Try it some time. |
Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.10.14 22:15:00 -
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I applaud the effort it takes to write something of this scale. I think it is very interesting and hope you continue writing. I've enjoyed reading it very much.
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