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Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.16 20:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 16/10/2010 20:53:21 Starting now, NMG. will do a full reset except for the following groups: Ones we own Advocated Destruction SI Radio Warped Aggression and Imperial Order (gg guys) who we will reset soon but not right now. tl;dr NMG. Is leaving Providence, but as a nice **** you to the neighbors who've sold us down the river for a weaker alliance they could more easily control, CVA will be replacing us in our pocket. The sov transfer should be concluded shortly. Our neighbors wanted to play Big Boy 0.0 so bad; have fun ^^ After holding my tongue so long, god damn this is going to feel nice to write. I make this post both for that reason and so no one misconstrues our motives or stance in any way. About a month ago when Pandemic Legion hit the scene, certain alliances broke the traditions of the previous three major sov warfare incidents and decided not to join in the defense of the region. Some of them even helped PL both overtly and covertly. This was a calculated political act to isolate their Provi political rival DK. When -A- came under attack directly and was essentially removed as a player, open civil war in Providence was assured. \\ Long story short, DK lost. But not before nearly both sides had daily chats and weekly meetings of useless pontification, constant reorganization, obvious political grandstanding, and what I can only describe as ineffectual and petty childishness. Daisho/SODA/DACO began their rather ham fisted and obvious attempts to isolate anyone who stood with -A- or with DK. The smaller Catch alliances caught the brunt of it initially. Imperial Order held its ground against Kadeshi while we were away. They showed a lot of heart. And in fact, so did BDEAL for a time though they distanced themselves from everything rather quickly. When NMG. came home, I'm proud to say we stomped Kadeshi and its allies for almost 3 days non stop. To the point our competitor Mercenary Coalition got involved, for reasons which I can only speculate on (contract, taking out the competition, favors called in by M Corp) and all of which are very flattering ;) CVA's entry into the conflict shooting everyone meant our EU TZ was outnumbered, and lack of Provi ally support left our USTZ unable to make strong progress. And then we got the information that after all the talk and transparent political maneuvering, some of our neighbors had set Kadeshi and friends blue. They were perfectly willing to standby and watch, much like they had with DK against PL. Of course CVA's involvement made that a little difficult, but it became clear from intel that we were getting cut out and even if CVA was defeated, we'd get officially backstabbed when it was over. Heh well sorry to break their train of thought, but that's not how this story is going to end. NMG. has come out very well financially during the course of our stay in Providence and unlike the actual 0.0 alliances who live there, ours was always first and foremost a financial interest in living in 0.0 We've come out way ahead and after having to deal with the near constant whining and repeated false starts of post-AAA Provi, I dont think any of us will really miss the neighborhood. While I would have loved to have sold the stations, but failing that I will use our last act as residents of the region to do what my corp loves to do for a living: make people's lives hell. CVA is an enemy who at least has earned a measure of respect. If someone is to take our space, I'd rather it be them. And so I am giving Aralis a nice head start in what I truly hope is a campaign which sees the old Providence restored. Noir. now accepting new contract offers, contact Alekseyev Karrde to secure our services :) ---
KurmoL Caldari B4D W0LF Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.10.16 21:13:00 - [2] most thread subjects here immediately default to the 'content' of alliances, and the luxuries of vomit smacking ingame, how often do you believe they magically become the start to care about this 'contribution' ? id say its less than 5%. THISSS!
Shigsy Caldari Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.16 21:43:00 - [3] Why would anyone trust you for a merc contract after you posted this? srs question _________________________________
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.16 21:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Shigsy Why would anyone trust you for a merc contract after you posted this? srs question Why wouldnt they? We broke no agreements. Just getting ahead of the knife at our back ---
Sick Boy Minmatar Unknown-Entity	Posted - 2010.10.16 21:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Originally by: Shigsy Why would anyone trust you for a merc contract after you posted this? srs question Why wouldnt they? We broke no agreements. Just getting ahead of the knife at our back How this alliance is still around is a miracle. They ripped my Corp off on a merc deal and have no manpower to get a job done.
Hori To Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:00:00 - [6] although a bit surprising, classy move noir. :) Best of luck to you in the future.
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:06:00 - [7] So.. Noir failed to notify any of the provi alliances about timers. They sent a mail to a dead channel, then complained when no one came to defend. We asked them to set timers in us tz, they set them for EU tz. Long story short, everyone in provi busted ass trying to defend noir. There was never an intention not to defend them or sell them up the river. They started talking **** to the few allies they had because no one wanted to send a 50 man fleet into a 150 man blob to defend an alliance who has yet to contribute anything in the area. I even offered to hire noir to defend their own space multiple times. Unfortunatly, they declined. Easy Co.
Nightshade Mary Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:09:00 - [8] I like your style Alekseyev. /salute ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Arcot Ramathorne Gallente Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:10:00 - [9] Edited by: Arcot Ramathorne on 16/10/2010 22:11:56 ....
Dusk Nemesis Minmatar Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:11:00 - [10] Walk over to CVA? Ouch!

Lykouleon Gallente Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:12:00 - [11] Me love you long time Alek <3 Quote: Lord Makk > Be warned, Lykouleon is akin to the love-child of a Goon and a Maru'Kage, with just a touch of Butter Dog for bitterness
SpotlessBlade Gallente Evident Doom Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:21:00 - [12] Alek and NMG have always been classy in my books, and I agree with this move 1000% (even if it's not mine to agree with). This IS a fine F*** You to the backstabbers and traitors who infest provi. lets see how they do with CVA back on the block. Well maybe Atlas, AAA, and UK will come to help fi..... oh right. I personally would much prefer to see CVA back in provi then the bottom dwellers that infest it now.On my part, I apologize for DK's inability to help you predicament. TBQH we were in no position to defend our own space, let alone anyone else's. Manpower and morale were battered to nothingness by events there. With that all said, Nicely Played Noir.
Agallis Zinthros Amarr SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:24:00 - [13] AMARR VICTOR! It's not piracy, its surprise PVP.
Master Zeuth Gallente SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:24:00 - [14] AMARR VICTOR!
IamBeastx Amarr SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:24:00 - [15] AMARR VICTOR! http://iambeastx.wordpress.com
Markus Malovent Minmatar SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:24:00 - [16] AMARR VICTOR!
Illadelph Justice Minmatar SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:24:00 - [17] AMARR VICTOR!
Rath Kelbore Caldari SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:24:00 - [18] AMARR VICTOR!
Vajrabhairava Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:25:00 - [19] Bamar Victor! Aleks, maybe this has to do with your sterling record of turning out for Provi fleets? Your not being around for fights, but renting out space to 3rd parties of carebears instead? I dunno, just guessing.
Avonosac Amarr SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:25:00 - [20] AMARR VICTOR!

Lunariia Caldari SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:26:00 - [21] AMARR VICTOR!
iwannabeahippy Caldari SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:26:00 - [22] AMARR VICTOR!
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 16/10/2010 22:30:33 Originally by: Sick Boy Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Originally by: Shigsy Why would anyone trust you for a merc contract after you posted this? srs question Why wouldnt they? We broke no agreements. Just getting ahead of the knife at our back How this alliance is still around is a miracle. They ripped my Corp off on a merc deal and have no manpower to get a job done. Would that be this job where we performed beyond your ability to pay, you tried to scam us, and then we publically humilated you into a partial payment? I thought so ;p edit: url ---
Crusher Deac Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:33:00 - [24] Bye Bye [FIGL] Flying Dangerous Alliance
Louis deGuerre Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:34:00 - [25] KARRDE VICTOR ? grabs popcorn Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:36:00 - [26] Originally by: SpotlessBlade Alek and NMG have always been classy in my books, and I agree with this move 1000% (even if it's not mine to agree with). This IS a fine F*** You to the backstabbers and traitors who infest provi. lets see how they do with CVA back on the block. Well maybe Atlas, AAA, and UK will come to help fi..... oh right. I personally would much prefer to see CVA back in provi then the bottom dwellers that infest it now.On my part, I apologize for DK's inability to help you predicament. TBQH we were in no position to defend our own space, let alone anyone else's. Manpower and morale were battered to nothingness by events there. With that all said, Nicely Played Noir. UMAD?, The fact of the matter is, Much like noir, provi defended DK until DK made it known they had no intention of staying and planned on selling the stations to the highest bidder. At which point a unified provi was much better option. As far as noir is concerned. They made no effort to defend their own space, They created a weak front in provi, and when we tried shuffling powers around in the area to strenghthin the region, they acted as if it was a slight against them and they had some devine right to the space because they are noir. The fact of the matter is, No one in provi set kedeshi blue, in fact they are very orange, as are all of the people attacking noir's pocket. This was the creation of noir, and noir alone. So to try to pin others in provi as the blame for your innability to defend your space is a bit neive. What it boils down to is that if you had actually talked to ANYONE in provi about your situation. You would have had the fleet to defend it. Easy Co.
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:46:00 - [27] Originally by: orphenshadow Originally by: SpotlessBlade Alek and NMG have always been classy in my books, and I agree with this move 1000% (even if it's not mine to agree with). This IS a fine F*** You to the backstabbers and traitors who infest provi. lets see how they do with CVA back on the block. Well maybe Atlas, AAA, and UK will come to help fi..... oh right. I personally would much prefer to see CVA back in provi then the bottom dwellers that infest it now.On my part, I apologize for DK's inability to help you predicament. TBQH we were in no position to defend our own space, let alone anyone else's. Manpower and morale were battered to nothingness by events there. With that all said, Nicely Played Noir. UMAD?, The fact of the matter is, Much like noir, provi defended DK until DK made it known they had no intention of staying and planned on selling the stations to the highest bidder. At which point a unified provi was much better option. As far as noir is concerned. They made no effort to defend their own space, They created a weak front in provi, and when we tried shuffling powers around in the area to strenghthin the region, they acted as if it was a slight against them and they had some devine right to the space because they are noir. The fact of the matter is, No one in provi set kedeshi blue, in fact they are very orange, as are all of the people attacking noir's pocket. This was the creation of noir, and noir alone. So to try to pin others in provi as the blame for your innability to defend your space is a bit neive. What it boils down to is that if you had actually talked to ANYONE in provi about your situation. You would have had the fleet to defend it. BDEAL never lifted a finger for DK. I was at the meeting where Stilletto and Nat were all like "Rah rah we'll help fight PL" and then LITERALLY the next day when convo'd for standings and what they could bring for fleets they backed out. As for us mails were sent. Repeatedly. And yes Kadeshi is blue to several in Provi, I have it confirmed. I cant tell if you're willfully ignorant, trolling, or so drunk on Daisho Kool-Aid you dont know what's what. Since there was a new mailing list and command channel every week it seemed, I'd be quite surprised if no one picked up on what was being said and mailed in one of them. But it's really not my problem anymore. This is the Provi you guys (really almost everyone except LEGIO and IO, and IO was being muscled out too) have made for yourselves with double talk, fence sitting, and an inability or unwillingness to work through problems and stick up for one another. It's an interesting place but not a very fun one, and contracts are much better than sov war. ---
Jebidus Skari Amarr Comply Or Die Retribution.	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:48:00 - [28] Get back to what you where good at mate..Mercing...Good Luck and Good Guys
Percivs Minmatar Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:50:00 - [29] not that any post in CAOD doesn't quickly get turned in to something vomitous, but I hope to get on to the first page... as a member of a corp in the renter alliance hosted by NOIR, I have to say that NOIR is a class act. They're not a nullsec power house, but despite the fact that they told everyone before they moved out there that they were a merc corp first and foremost, they still tried to rally with other Providence residents when PL first invaded. I won't claim more than I know, but the blue fleets that formed to defend Imperial Order's sovereignty never really extended beyond defending 2v-. In my opinion, the fact that they disbanded as soon as 2v- was defended (ignoring the hold that the Kadeshi had gained in c1-) could only contribute to the instability in NOIR space. Sure Imperial Order would stick around, but the fleet would effectively dissolve. The rest of the blues had something better to do than finish defending the pocket and the sovereignty grab that Kadeshi had made. I was there when NOIR returned to the pocket from contract, and I was part of the fleets that defended the pocket (doing my small and insignificant part). Despite what IISL would have you believe, there was a civil war in effect long before DK announced their plans to cede Providence. SODA/Daisho/DACO being the leaders of that contingent. Former blues who he didn't name who came to defend Imperial Order space (2v-) one week were shooting DK fleets the next. Sure some can (and will) claim that NOIR should have been more present in the pocket, but they cannot solely lay the blame for the regions problems at the feet of NOIR. Doing so is nothing but CAOD political manuevaring at it's finest. PS, I speak for myself, not my alliance or corporation. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
UberDeathDealer Caldari Steel Fleet Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:56:00 - [30] woot more drama in provi.... hopefully will lead to some good pew

mustangsally31 Amarr Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:58:00 - [31] TLDR NOIR failscade, when is the next podcast out fellas?? .
Christina Bamar Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.10.16 23:30:00 - [32] Edited by: Christina Bamar on 16/10/2010 23:31:45 Alek, I don't think I've ever met anyone who said more while doing less than you. It's been interesting. CEO, Agony Unleashed
Astald Ohtar Amarr New Eden Regimental Navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2010.10.16 23:39:00 - [33] Amarr Victor !
fpshacker Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:02:00 - [34] calling it now, CVA retakes providence. Providence becomes what it used to be
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:11:00 - [35] Originally by: mustangsally31 TLDR NOIR failscade, when is the next podcast out fellas?? . SoonÖ
Liam Fremen Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:34:00 - [36] Mercenary Group + Conquerable space = Bad -- Systematic-Chaos, Executor
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:44:00 - [37] You can't hold sov by bringing 3 falcons for every enemy ship unfortunately. ---
RedSplat Caldari 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:44:00 - [38] Glad you have finally got this out of your system Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
sniperNZSAS Gallente Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:47:00 - [39] oh nos, not noir, please no.. what ever will provi do now that we don't have your uber fc's or '2nd best merc corp in the game'??? all is lost!...
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: mustangsally31 TLDR NOIR failscade, when is the next podcast out fellas?? . SoonÖ Especially now that I'm BackÖ. ;) Blog and Podcast - Twitter: DeclareWar

UberDeathDealer Caldari Steel Fleet Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Christina Bamar Edited by: Christina Bamar on 16/10/2010 23:31:45 Alek, I don't think I've ever met anyone who said more while doing less than you. It's been interesting. welp... their fc did primary one of our piliots that was trying to catch cloakys during a cta..... which is prolly why we stopped trying to help..
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde BDEAL never lifted a finger for DK. I was at the meeting where Stilletto and Nat were all like "Rah rah we'll help fight PL" and then LITERALLY the next day when convo'd for standings and what they could bring for fleets they backed out. As for us mails were sent. Repeatedly. And yes Kadeshi is blue to several in Provi, I have it confirmed. I cant tell if you're willfully ignorant, trolling, or so drunk on Daisho Kool-Aid you dont know what's what. Since there was a new mailing list and command channel every week it seemed, I'd be quite surprised if no one picked up on what was being said and mailed in one of them. But it's really not my problem anymore. This is the Provi you guys (really almost everyone except LEGIO and IO, and IO was being muscled out too) have made for yourselves with double talk, fence sitting, and an inability or unwillingness to work through problems and stick up for one another. It's an interesting place but not a very fun one, and contracts are much better than sov war. This is very factually incorrect. Despite the fact that both BDEAL and AGONY refused to blue dk, noir, and half of provi. We were still there in mass numbers for most all of the CTA's in fact out numbering the rest of the alliance sometimes 3 to 1. It's no surprise that we got tired of babysitting those unwilling to defend their own space. For the person who said that the civil war started long before dk decided to leave. This is correct, I never stated otherwise. The fact is. We stayed neutral, Fleeted up to help defend space against outside threats, (mind you this was our agreement), We stayed out of the personal slapfight between soda/dara/daisho and dk. We had/have no interest in measuring our peckers. We honored the NIP, and as soon as a system was SBU'd we went full force into the fight beside DK. For several weeks. We found ourselves bringing 30+ in fleet to dk's 5. DK kept failscating, and eventually stopped even attempting to form deference fleets. It was at this point that DK announced plans to sell their space to the highest bidders and leave peacefully. So we made an arrangment to set up a meeting with all of the remaining leaders in provi. No one in provi had any bad blood and decided that we could move forward on our own and put hostilities behind us. Thus ending the civil war. Part of this meeting was discussing the fact that south provi was being constantly attacked by cva, and other pets, and ways we could resolve this issue. It was brought up that maybe we should ask noir to give up a couple systems to share with another alliance that could actually put a fleet together and defend the space. We even went as far as reaching out to the kedeshi (mind you they are not blue to any of us) to see if we could offer them a better deal than to attack noir. As usual with people who have huge ego's and feel entitled to something. Noir was unwilling to cooperate. We asked for timers to be arranged in prime timezones for the majority of provi, They did not do so. In fact they sat there silent, letting the attackers take their space without so much as a word to the rest of us. What it all boil's down too is noir is terrible at this game, as soon as a challenge presented itself, they cowered off into the corner betraying all those who helped them. Easy Co.
cBOLTSON Caldari Reaction Theory Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.10.17 02:31:00 - [43] Edited by: cBOLTSON on 17/10/2010 02:35:56 Originally by: fpshacker calling it now, CVA retakes providence. Providence becomes what it used to be To be honest I hope this happens. Provi was a lot better ran by CVA. AMAAR VICTOR!
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.10.17 05:11:00 - [44] AWESOME Originally by: Shigsy Why would anyone trust you for a merc contract after you posted this? srs question NMG are One of the few ESTABLISHED legit mercs left out there ... Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Agent Known Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.10.17 06:10:00 - [45] And so the fun begins. On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
Xious Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.17 06:54:00 - [46] I never really enjoyed working with other leaders that much, but I did enjoy the time I spent with you Alek, good luck in the future and I hope to see you guys about soon. Originally by: CCP Shadow This thread has been cleansed of bodily fluid references.
Spacing Cowboy Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.17 08:16:00 - [47] Been fun while it lasted, It was a perfect training ground and isk making area for our corp When your up for something next,im quite certain we will be up for it
Makia Velli Caldari Finnish Space Jaegers The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.17 08:53:00 - [48] This made me laugh :) Nice move by NMG CVA back in Providence!!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.17 10:06:00 - [49] Well this thread is several cuts about the last Provi one. Interesting reading.
Zoon Muidac Gallente Reverse Psychology. BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.10.17 10:09:00 - [50] quick run for the hills

Zoon Muidac Gallente Reverse Psychology. BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.10.17 10:12:00 - [51]
Yakumo Smith Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite	Posted - 2010.10.17 11:28:00 - [52] I'm impressed you held your ground as long as you did. Previous merc groups tended to fall to bits after owning 0.0, but i've got a feeling you guys are going to be ok. I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
Buhhdust Princess Caldari Reverse Psychology. BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:10:00 - [53] Hi noir, gf's whilst u tried to hold the space, respect o7 ________________________________________
aeoluse Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:17:00 - [54] One can only hope and pray to the Almighty to return Providence to the rightful owners and evict those trespassers who have defiled the sacred land. AMARR VICTOR!! I do not speak for my corp or my alliance, even though I wish I did but leadership believe it would be a mistake and would lead too much internet spaceship drama. For an official position on the matter, please contact one of the INIT leadership (not sure who they are though).
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:18:00 - [55] Originally by: fpshacker calling it now, CVA retakes providence. Providence becomes what it used to be Very far from it. Curiously the biggest problems to us have been caused by outsider groups of Providence. Just FYI in these last few days, our cap fleet has been hot dropped by IT while we were attacking a station, and even yesterday while we were trying to secure Noir systems and heavily involved in fights against current Providence alliances we had to fight against a 140 man INIT fleet and few minutes later 70 guys from Dead Terrorists. All this after fighting 120 man fleet from Providence residents... as you can probably see this does not simplify our task. But in the end we will prevail. It's God's will. Amarr Victor! God is my Wingman
joefishy Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:57:00 - [56] why the hell would you want to hire these pansy's, when all they do when its even fights is run like little girls back to empire. worse mercs ever. :)
Elendar Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.17 13:12:00 - [57] So after trying to fight Kadeshi for 3 days MC got involved and then you surrendered all your stations to CVA within what, a day? and you have the gall to suggest that you could be a competitor to MC? Calling you guys mercs is an insult to everyone else who is part of the mercenary trade, considering that all you seem capable of doing without running away is harassing ****ty empire corps i wouldn't even call you hired thugs, rent-a-bully is probably the best you deserve. I've never really had much respect for groups that harass empire newbies that don't even know what pvp is and trumpet themselves as great pvpers, but seeing you run from kadeshi and MC.... Why anyone would ever hire these scrubs is beyond me. Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist
Wrathful Hawk Caldari Warsmiths Warsmiths.	Posted - 2010.10.17 13:54:00 - [58] TL, DR. As long as they remember to set their deathstars not to shoot blues while offering to portal blues out next time.. Thank god i left when i was told PL were due to invade. <3 intel. [i]--------- Wrathful Hawk - CEO of Warsmiths
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Ore Mongers BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.10.17 14:17:00 - [59] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 17/10/2010 14:19:25 Originally by: Xious I never really enjoyed working with other leaders that much, but I did enjoy the time I spent with you Alek, good luck in the future and I hope to see you guys about soon. Finally got your tongue removed from HAVOC's backside then? Good on you! Finally found a ship replacement program that worked? Also...lol Noir and mandatory T2 DC fits. Didn't save Alek from getting bent over in his DC-fit bomber. You guys aren't bad for mercenaries I suppose but you have now learned that in nullsec you better be able to eat the **ty cake while licking off the icing . Bombs away....also...Providence is horrible. Why U'K went along with AAA's goof plan to conquer that space is utterly beyond me. I hope CVA get the space back simply for the pure joy of having such a collection of gankable sheep in one pen . edit**looking forward to the return of FCON and other CVA crap to the area too for more "omg help im dying at jb" lawls
Lee Dalton Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.17 14:21:00 - [60] Noir. is disbanding? *** I AM A RUS HON SUPERSTAR

joefishy Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.17 15:42:00 - [61] Originally by: Lee Dalton Noir. is disbanding? very soon :) :)
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.17 15:44:00 - [62] Fair enough decision Noir. Good luck CVA, maybe you'll get Providence back sooner than we thought :)
Layla Smyles Caldari 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.10.17 16:06:00 - [63] As being in no official function whatsoever for the 54th Massachusetts Infantry, i can unoficially declare: The Union must and WILL be restored! For Glory.
Galthirion Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.17 18:25:00 - [64] Ive known alekz for a long time and he is a stand up guy. Ive seen provi change hands lots but one thing is for sure. CVA will take there home back. What people fail to see is alliances are only as strong as there weakest POS... this being the case the situation in provi has left to many strong willed groups of people able and willing to inflict damage on those currently there...all the "failcascade" this and that posts are cover ups...people realize now that there interests are at risk. its funny seeing peoples reactions when they see there money going down the drain. GL HF Noir, CVA. Origin.
Mickey Simon Caldari TEMPLAR.	Posted - 2010.10.17 21:27:00 - [65] My exact words to Roastedpot(current Noir. member) when he revealed you had taken Sov. "Ok that's pretty cool, but how are you going to defend it from anyone who wants to take it? Or your allies if they decide they want to replace you?" I have a measure of respect for Noir. and for Alek, but outright warfare is not what you're good at. You're good at staying cloaked and harassing. You're good at "asset denial". You're not good at slugging it out, because you literally don't have the numbers and because you spend so much time not slugging it out because of kb efficiency you end up with less experience then even scrub 0.0 corps have at duking it out. It's almost sad for those of you who made easy ISK off your space, but then again - if you didn't see this coming you were either too proud or too ignorant to think it could/would happen to you. Hopefully all of this means that the NAP blob that was down south can ** off back to whichever hole it crawled back in and over the course of the next year Providence might return to what it used to be, which was more fun. All that needs to happen is the other NAP blobs (like the one up north which is full of bads) will also ** off and 0.0 will be much more fun for everyone.
Mr Goldfish Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.10.17 21:42:00 - [66] Originally by: Liam Fremen Mercenary Group + Conquerable space = Bad Liam, Razor alliance? What happend? Enlighten me please. Goldie
Taram Caldar Caldari Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.10.17 23:13:00 - [67] TBH Noir. is better off without the anchor of sov space around their necks. But anyone ****ing about them not defending the space needs to go back and re-read the posts they made when they originally took it. They never had any real intention of defending it against a serious attacker. Also, given the utter chaos Provi is in I can't really blame anyone for not sticking around. You guys are like a pack of jackals. I may not particularly like* CVA but Provi was far better when they were in charge than it has been with the current residents. Market Alerts Mailing List
Percivs Minmatar Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.18 01:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Taram Caldar TBH Noir. is better off without the anchor of sov space around their necks. But anyone *****ing about them not defending the space needs to go back and re-read the posts they made when they originally took it. They never had any real intention of defending it against a serious attacker. . . . COAD has never been about intelligent debate or dialog, but I have to say it's good to see that there are some people who actually pay attention. I would debate with you though, that they didn't say they wouldn't defend it against a serious attacker... what they said was that they would always place a completing a contract at a higher priority to sovereignty wars. Once their contracts were up, they would return with the intention of putting the hurt on anyone who messed with their space. http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=5_15&page=3 And their carebear renters left the region long before Kadeshi attacked 2V- or took C1-. Those that remained did attempt to stage fleets to attack hostile resources. We just didn't have the kind of resources necessary to combat PL hotdropping three supercarriers on us during the early phase of the war and IT Allianace hot dropping multiple carriers/battleship on us during the mid-to-present part of the war. But we were out there killing structures and putting stuff in to reinforced when we could. COAD will say there is shame in not being PL or another of the heavyweight combat alliances, but that's just political grandstanding. I do agree that in the end, it's probably better for NOIR to no longer have sov space around their necks. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Blackhorizon Caldari Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.18 02:43:00 - [69] lol Noir. When SickBoy of Maru Ka'ge fame is saying you're worthless, perhaps it's time to think of disbanding.
Omal Oma Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.18 03:38:00 - [70] Edited by: Omal Oma on 18/10/2010 03:40:44 I'm not supposed to post here... I need to respond to this topic. Noir, you guys were very effective against us in Provi when I lived there. I know poilitics arent your thing, but you may consider taking a side on this one. I'm one of those fools who is honored to have been blown up by you guys, look back, faction fit domi...on a 1 month old character. I fit faction so I could tank the rats. I was such a dumbass, I thought that fitting out with more tank (faction) that I'd get past you... boy was I wrong. When my pvp admiral learned about this... I heard it for days. Learned my lesson and moved on. CVA ran a shop in Provi that was unique in EVE. The more I grow, the more I realize this. Provi gave me a home to start, where provi was wrong was that it allowed alliances to get fat. Where it helped me was an introduction. IMO, you guys should run the show on "if an entity gets too fat, it's your job to make life difficult for them"... du et. Keep provi NRDS, but make sure the alliances enforcing it are on their toes. Fat alliaces who want to grow and become powerful in null shouldn't be doing it in provi. Provi is training grounds and CVA should lead it up. I and many of the other alliances who started there cannot disagree that CVA/Provi had it's place. It's still something that should exist. What I've said here is my opinion. I don't represent my alliance. ________________________________________________ <--- My in-game me.

Talia al'Ghul Amarr Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.10.18 04:42:00 - [71] itt providence hurf blurf
Alghara Amarr Les chevaliers de l'ordre Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.10.18 07:41:00 - [72] Amarr Victory Providence was the place where i have began to learn 0.0 and also who my corporation have had a chance to have a small place in 0.0 For that, I have only one thing to say. Great Thank for that. And good luck CVA for your new start in Providence
Hinkledolph Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.18 07:44:00 - [73] I liked a bit Noir. before they went into all sov crap. Now I don't like them anymore.
Mrwes Molari Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.10.18 08:14:00 - [74] CVA....YOU HAVE MY RIFTER..
Halor Glaw Amarr The Dead Pod Society Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.18 08:40:00 - [75] noir is like the old lone bluesman. hes sitting lonely in a bus stop playing his harp. what an enchanting music! as for the rest of u trolls have fun with britney spears :p good luck noir, whatever u do :)
Johnny Ringo Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 11:15:00 - [76] Originally by: Blackhorizon lol Noir. When SickBoy of Maru Ka'ge fame is saying you're worthless, perhaps it's time to think of disbanding. Again for the learning disabled: Sickboy contracted us to do max damage on a pay per damage basis. When we did far more damage than he anticipated, he breached the contract and refused payment. We then camped him and his corp into their NPC stations until they cried uncle and we got bored. IIRC some other merc alliances joined in the fun as well just to teach a lesson to those who contract and don't pay. Now Sickboy trolls the forums, but he's still fail, as you well recongnize. If every alliance disbanded when some troll said ugly things about them on CAOD, there'd be a lot fewer alliances.
Johnny Ringo Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 11:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Taram Caldar TBH Noir. is better off without the anchor of sov space around their necks. Oh, and this.
Kimsemus Amarr Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 14:14:00 - [78] This Thread Delivers.Ö
RedSplat Caldari 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.10.18 14:50:00 - [79] Edited by: RedSplat on 18/10/2010 14:56:14 That this thread is still front page? Yeah. Hi Maru Kage. Hi Sickboy. You still broke? The Glorious 54th is coming to deliver Providence. http://miniurl.com/60777 Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Xpaulusx Caldari Intergalactic Syndicate Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.18 14:59:00 - [80] Moar Prov Drama, dosen't get any better than this, grabs popcorn.

Shinma Apollo Caldari BURN EDEN	Posted - 2010.10.18 15:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Johnny Ringo Originally by: Blackhorizon lol Noir. When SickBoy of Maru Ka'ge fame is saying you're worthless, perhaps it's time to think of disbanding. Again for the learning disabled: Sickboy contracted us to do max damage on a pay per damage basis. When we did far more damage than he anticipated, he breached the contract and refused payment. We then camped him and his corp into their NPC stations until they cried uncle and we got bored. IIRC some other merc alliances joined in the fun as well just to teach a lesson to those who contract and don't pay. Now Sickboy trolls the forums, but he's still fail, as you well recongnize. If every alliance disbanded when some troll said ugly things about them on CAOD, there'd be a lot fewer alliances. I'm really happy for you, an Imma let you finish, but me and two guys did more damage in two hours of playing with MK then you did all week. In fact, I'd probably say SUAP had more to do with the disbanding of MK (we had their FCs bubbling their own fleets because they liked us better) then you did.
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 15:30:00 - [82] Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 18/10/2010 15:31:24 Originally by: Shinma Apollo Originally by: Johnny Ringo Originally by: Blackhorizon lol Noir. When SickBoy of Maru Ka'ge fame is saying you're worthless, perhaps it's time to think of disbanding. Again for the learning disabled: Sickboy contracted us to do max damage on a pay per damage basis. When we did far more damage than he anticipated, he breached the contract and refused payment. We then camped him and his corp into their NPC stations until they cried uncle and we got bored. IIRC some other merc alliances joined in the fun as well just to teach a lesson to those who contract and don't pay. Now Sickboy trolls the forums, but he's still fail, as you well recongnize. If every alliance disbanded when some troll said ugly things about them on CAOD, there'd be a lot fewer alliances. I'm really happy for you, an Imma let you finish, but me and two guys did more damage in two hours of playing with MK then you did all week. In fact, I'd probably say SUAP had more to do with the disbanding of MK (we had their FCs bubbling their own fleets because they liked us better) then you did. Oh yeah they disbanded way after all the contract stuff was over, we dont pretend to take credit for that. All ISK donations and flowers should be sent to Shinma hehe ---
Shinma Apollo Caldari BURN EDEN	Posted - 2010.10.18 17:00:00 - [83] Edited by: Shinma Apollo on 18/10/2010 17:02:40 Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 18/10/2010 15:31:24 Originally by: Shinma Apollo Originally by: Johnny Ringo Originally by: Blackhorizon lol Noir. When SickBoy of Maru Ka'ge fame is saying you're worthless, perhaps it's time to think of disbanding. Again for the learning disabled: Sickboy contracted us to do max damage on a pay per damage basis. When we did far more damage than he anticipated, he breached the contract and refused payment. We then camped him and his corp into their NPC stations until they cried uncle and we got bored. IIRC some other merc alliances joined in the fun as well just to teach a lesson to those who contract and don't pay. Now Sickboy trolls the forums, but he's still fail, as you well recongnize. If every alliance disbanded when some troll said ugly things about them on CAOD, there'd be a lot fewer alliances. I'm really happy for you, an Imma let you finish, but me and two guys did more damage in two hours of playing with MK then you did all week. In fact, I'd probably say SUAP had more to do with the disbanding of MK (we had their FCs bubbling their own fleets because they liked us better) then you did. Oh yeah they disbanded way after all the contract stuff was over, we dont pretend to take credit for that. All ISK donations and flowers should be sent to Shinma hehe And I write this with the due ironic deference that comes with my current corp, but you guys weren't willing to engage em in x-7O, and instead were just cloak ***ging about surrounding systems against an alliance who only did undock games. If anything Alek, it's your weakness, you guys are pretty risk adverse at least in terms of the contracts I've seen you do, because your pay structure benefits "HUGE ISK DAMAGES" with really substansive delivery of breaking morale being left unattained. Other corps, such as DNS, well outperform you in terms of black ops dropping. (your tech level on that seems fairly low) Don't take this as a "YOU SUCK" post Alek, but merely constructive criticism of certain systemic flaws that have been incorporated into your operational proceedures that leave the corp coming off as lackluster. Try to deversify a bit and be less risk adverse in the performance of your contracts, and you'll do yourself and your clients a good service. edit: I realized ironical is not a word.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 17:04:00 - [84] Wow, Alek... All in one post you manage to: a.) Completely ignore all the facts and history of the situation b.) Be a massive hypocrite c.) Refuse to accept responsibility for any of the actions you or your alliance has taken I like doing the TL;DR version first, so now let me expand... a.) D'K is in the trouble they're in because they ran their mouths off and intentionally drug the rest of Provi into a war where there was little chance of success. Now if PL had come in looking to take all of Provi, the situation would have played out differently. We all would have fought shoulder-to-shoulder and died together, but they weren't here to invade Providence. They were only here to give a misbehaving child a well-needed spanking. D'K provoked that one and expected the other alliances to pay the butcher's bill. No thank you. Unfortunately, one ass-whopping wasn't enough to get through to them that they need to tone it down and a decision was made to remove them from Providence. That decision was made not, as many would have you believe, for purposes of conquest, but because it was best for the long-term stability and security of the region. If someone is rocking the boat, you sit them back down (with force, if necessary). We can't be in a NIP with another alliance who insists on poking hornet's nests and then expects their friends to pick up the tab. Now as to the facts of your situation: Not even one week ago there was a Provi TS meeting where we were all present to discuss the situation. I'm pretty sure you were there (someone from NOIR was), although you arrived 30 minutes late. And based upon your actions after that meeting you were probably AFK for most of it; smoking a joint. If you think back over your THC-clouded memories you may recall us bringing Derwent into the meeting to discuss The Kadeshi coming into Provi. We offered them ZQ2-CF constellation and told them if they continue going after your space then all of Provi would be there to fight them. But I'm sure that we got two dozen of all the alliance's leaders into the same TS channel just to convince you were WEREN'T plotting against you. That makes much more sense, right? b.) So now you call us back-stabbers for failing to honor the NIP. I admit, there is room to discuss the way things were handled with D'K and I'm sure there could have been improvement on both sides of the fence. But in your mind two wrongs make a right? You really think calling us out for not sticking to the letter of the NIP and then flipping your space to CVA makes you the good guys? It makes you vindictive and childish. Multiple opportunities have existed to salvage this situation and you've repeatedly ignored them. And the icing on the cake? You guys didn't help D'K against PL, either. c.) And now you attempt to lay all this trouble at other people's doorsteps. The fact of the matter is that real leaders take responsibility for the situations in which they find themselves. You can't join into a NIP and then not uphold your side of the bargain. You guys rarely participated in any of the Provi-wide meetings, and rarely joined up in any fleets against CVA or other intruders. Absentee landlords would be the polite way of saying you were never here and never active in the region. So now after our pilots have fought and died to help hold your space while you messed about in Jita you have the nerve to come in here and tell us you've been mistreated? Good riddance.
Bors DeGanis Minmatar 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.10.18 19:58:00 - [85] Reminder to all of the 54th that we have a REDPENCTAOP in just over a hour. Not many logged in yet and we need more. Capital fleet is on standby. fakedit: oops wrong forums
Efreid Helbrecht Gallente Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:05:00 - [86] Originally by: Elendar So after trying to fight ... for 3 days ... then you surrendered all your stations ... within what, a day? and you have the gall to suggest that you could be a competitor ...? ... ... considering that all you seem capable of doing without running away ... rent-a-bully is probably the best you deserve. .... Why anyone would ever hire these scrubs is beyond me. So... How's Fountain these days? Oh wai... U mad?
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:05:00 - [87] Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 18/10/2010 20:07:54 Originally by: Sonreir STUFF about being in Jita and defending space I personally was in Period Basis, and all of us operate out of Amarr, not Jita, for our resupply so I'm not really sure where you get your information from. And helping to hold our space is not the same as blue listing the people shooting at it and pretending nothing is going on. CVA are at least, honest.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:18:00 - [88] Edited by: Sonreir on 18/10/2010 20:27:54 Originally by: Hannibal Ord Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 18/10/2010 20:07:54 I personally was in Period Basis, and all of us operate out of Amarr, not Jita, for our resupply so I'm not really sure where you get your information from. And helping to hold our space is not the same as blue listing the people shooting at it and pretending nothing is going on. CVA are at least, honest. The Jita comment wasn't meant to be interpretted in the literal sense. I could just have easily said Rens or Dodixie or EC-P8R. The fact of the matter remains; you guys were elsewhere while the allies that you so recently betrayed were doing all the heavy-lifing on your behalf. As for the blue comments, you're dead wrong again. We only set Kadeshi blue after you guys stabbed us in the back. As a matter of fact we went so far as to reset MC once we heard they were taking a contract against you. So congratulations, you took up false intel provided by a third party and used it to screw over your allies.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:27:00 - [89] Originally by: Sonreir The Jita comment wasn't meant to be interpretted in the literal sense. I could just have easily said Rens or Dodixie or EC-P8R. The fact of the matter remains; you guys were elsewhere while the allies that you so recently betrayed were doing all the heavy-lifing on your behalf. As for the blue comments, you're dead wrong again. We only set Kadeshi blue after you guys stabbed us in the back. As a matter of fact we went to far as to reset MC once we heard they were taking a contract against you. So congratulations, you took up false intel provided by a third party and used it to screw over your allies. Now now, don't backtrack coz you don't know the difference between Jita and Amarr. We were elsewhere yes, doing our own stuff. Which everyone in Providence knew we would be doing since the start. I got handsomely paid for Period Basis. I was so happy my nipples almost fell off.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:30:00 - [90] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Now now, don't backtrack coz you don't know the difference between Jita and Amarr. We were elsewhere yes, doing our own stuff. Which everyone in Providence knew we would be doing since the start. I got handsomely paid for Period Basis. I was so happy my nipples almost fell off. If your level of intelligence is indicative of the rest of NOIR, I'm sorry we didn't set Kadeshi and MC blue earlier. Do you really think I (or anyone else in Provi, for that matter) care where you were? We only care about where you were supposed to be.

Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:32:00 - [91] Originally by: Sonreir We only care about where you were supposed to be. Exactly. On contract.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:06:00 - [92] I suppose the question that comes to my mind to ask Noir, is why bother with having 0.0 space to begin with? At a guess, I would say the answer provided would be 'Profit!', which apparently you did. Money comes and goes... but who would be open to sharing space with you in the future, an absentee landlord who's renters were unable defend your turf, who's leadership failed with inter-alliance communication, and managed to make a hash of things based upon rumor, speculation/conjecture, and 3rd hand information? Ofc... the answer would be that you never again intend to hold space. In depth analysis, smart thinking, and planning is what you've shown, my hat off to you gentlemen.
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:15:00 - [93] Man I might ruin my mean internet tough image with this one but OK Sonreir, here is a near line by line response to your impassioned post which is about as fair and reasonable as I can make it. If thatÆs not good enough for you and the people who share your views, thereÆs nothing more I care to do. Originally by: Sonreir Wow, Alek... All in one post you manage to: a.) Completely ignore all the facts and history of the situation b.) Be a massive hypocrite c.) Refuse to accept responsibility for any of the actions you or your alliance has taken a) What? I just gave you a history. Sorry it didn't conform to the one your alliance leaders have been relaying to you but that shouldn't be a reason for hostility. If anything IÆd call my treatment of the situation pretty tame compared to the opinions of some. b) I am a hypocrite? Not quite sure how but boy this is really going to be fun when i point how you spout off allowing DK, a NIP member to be kicked in by PL, a sov invasion, because SODA felt there would be or intended there to be hostilities in the near future. See, wasnt that a good time? c) I 100% accept responsibility to my corp for not selling our Providence holdings the two times I had the opportunity to do so. Would have been very significant income by our standards, though we are very small. I made the decision to try to stick it out and give the coalition a chance back when it looked like that was possible and by the time I realized how things were going to goàwell I WOULD say I couldnÆt even give them away except that I did. XD Originally by: Sonreir I like doing the TL;DR version first Me too. Stop drinking the Kool Aid, Providence is no longer our problem, no amount of crying on the forums is going to make us feel bad or guilt us into helping you, KARRDE VICTOR, get over it. Originally by: Sonreir a.) D'K is in the trouble they're in because they ran their mouths off and intentionally drug the rest of Provi into a war where there was little chance of success. Now if PL had come in looking to take all of Provi, the situation would have played out differently. We all would have fought shoulder-to-shoulder and died together, but they weren't here to invade Providence. They were only here to give a misbehaving child a well-needed spanking. D'K provoked that one and expected the other alliances to pay the butcher's bill. No thank you. Except giving them a ôspankingö consisted of invading Providence. I donÆt remember anywhere in the NIP or any meeting where it was agreed that an invading enemy had to let everyone know before they got started that they were going to kick people out of every single system before the rest of us paid attention. Nowhere was it said that DK, or you guys for that matter, were fair game for getting evicted because they were talking ****. ---
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:18:00 - [94] Originally by: Sonreir Unfortunately, one ass-whopping wasn't enough to get through to them that they need to tone it down and a decision was made to remove them from Providence. That decision was made not, as many would have you believe, for purposes of conquest, but because it was best for the long-term stability and security of the region. If someone is rocking the boat, you sit them back down (with force, if necessary). We can't be in a NIP with another alliance who insists on poking hornet's nests and then expects their friends to pick up the tab. Yeah howÆs that long term stability and security been working out since PL hit? Fact is boat rocking had been going on long before this (arguments over 2V, arguments over KBP, a dead titan..) and we got through it by talking with one another because AAA was looking over things and no one wanted to cross them. AAA leaves, and instead of sitting down and working out a way for us to stand together (and sticking to it!) the fact of the record is your alliance participated in firing the first shot of civil war, right or wrong. You could have roamed/camped the ** out of them to teach them a lesson, but you chose to take advantage of the situation, roll the dice on an out and out sov conflict, and there was no turning back. I think it was a mistake from a strategic perspective, maybe you guys will prove me wrong in the end, who knows. Originally by:** Sonreir Now as to the facts of your situation: Not even one week ago there was a Provi TS meeting where we were all present to discuss the situation. I'm pretty sure you were there (someone from NOIR was), although you arrived 30 minutes late. Yes we were there. And the one before that. And the ones before that which SODA wouldnÆt event attend. There was sometimes as many as 3 Provi planning meetings a week for a while so sorry if our rep was a bit late for one of them (really, thatÆs kinda petty). I was fully briefed and hopeful of some cavalry, because just maybe the northern faction was willing to put the sov war grind behind them and work things out. You can argue I had a false expectation, and perhaps that would be fair, but I was disappointed. Originally by: Sonreir And based upon your actions after that meeting you were probably AFK for most of it; smoking a joint. If you think back over your THC-clouded memories you may recall us bringing Derwent into the meeting to discuss The Kadeshi coming into Provi. We offered them ZQ2-CF constellation and told them if they continue going after your space then all of Provi would be there to fight them. But I'm sure that we got two dozen of all the alliance's leaders into the same TS channel just to convince you were WEREN'T plotting against you. That makes much more sense, right? I was aware of this and initially very hopeful. But as you are hopefully aware, Kadeshi declined the offer for the ZQ2 constellation and continued the fight. By that time NMG. was off contract and defending our space full force, killing 2 large towers, RFing two more, downed some SBU, and won literally every engagement (even the even numbered ones Mickey ;p ). Kadeshi brought in Bat Phone, then when that wasnÆt enough hired Mercenary Coalition. According to the meeting you laud, all of the ônew NIPö was supposed to rally behind us if Kadeshi declined and help us out esp during the US TZ which would be even more important with our German partner corp GIS leaving shortly to get back to their lowsec routes. No fleets came. ---
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:21:00 - [95] In fact, SODACAISHO had set them blue, AGONY was sending roaming gangs to kill anybody, FIGL and Chaos wouldnÆt talk, IO/LEGIO were both burnt out from actually fighting, and BDEAL was inventing a new excuse every night as to why they would not come. Literally, a new one every day for like 3 days (We didnÆt know you were under attack, we cant get a fleet together tonight everyone is AFK, you should have set your timers to USTZ we can only help then, your FC who took command because none of the other people in fleet were willing and able to do it primaried one of our interceptors who was tackling friendlies while we were fighting CVA and IT in S9X, etc etc etc). By that point CVA showed up with more numbers than either NMG.+friends or THOR+friends and was killing everything. The final straw for me was when one of our stations came out at 01:00ish (9PM EST) because I set it to USTZ like BDEAL and others had wanted. Mails were sent out all over, timers in MOTD, everything. And when it came time to form the fleet, no one seemed to know anything about it and Kadeshi coalition stayed up late to put it in. Even if it was an honest mistake (WHICH IT MAY HAVE BEEN, after all i will never know for sure), i didnt have much confidence in future success. It was then I really started checking and discovered the standings. I felt like I had a choice of either CVA coming in and taking things or the NIP beating CVAÆs fleets while allowing Kadeshi to take our stations, inventing some reason of why they wouldnÆt help or why Noir. WouldnÆt get the help that they promised not a week earlier. You can always say ôwell, come on Alek that wouldnÆt have actually happenedö and again, maybe you are right. But I had to go with my gut and the facts as I saw them. Originally by: Sonreir b.) So now you call us back-stabbers for failing to honor the NIP. I admit, there is room to discuss the way things were handled with D'K and I'm sure there could have been improvement on both sides of the fence. But in your mind two wrongs make a right? You really think calling us out for not sticking to the letter of the NIP and then flipping your space to CVA makes you the good guys? It makes you vindictive and childish. I never intended to make things right. It was about me not seeing a way for things to be right again. This wasnÆt about revenge for DK either. They were friends and it does have some poetic justice to it but neither of those factors affected my decision. This isnÆt about scoring points for Noir. either. I donÆt care who thinks weÆre heroes or villains, elite or worthless, the best merc corp or insignificant. What I do care care about is our integrity, our self respect, the satisfaction of our customers, yes I care about the stats, and other measures of performance, and I care about fun. Getting double talked and sold out took care of the first two, ongoing instability in Provi would mean more time away from contracts, the stats were awesome cant complain about that (you go guys!), and dealing with the increasingly petty politics and sov timers simply wasnÆt fun. As I hope I have illustrated, I didnÆt give this order in a hissy fit or because I was somehow emotional over the actions taken by the other Providence residents. I was running out of desirable options, so I went with a very clever, interesting, and cruel option that wasnÆt any worse for us than the status quo. Honestly: childish no, vindictive yes. ---
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:24:00 - [96] Originally by: Sonreir Multiple opportunities have existed to salvage this situation and you've repeatedly ignored them. And the icing on the cake? You guys didn't help D'K against PL, either. No opportunities for resolution were open to me at any time since Kadeshi began invading. If anything, Kadeshi could have ôsalvagedö the situation for Provi as a whole by taking either the ZQ offer or my personal offer to their exec to live in our constellations as a PVP force (since while we did beat them each time, donÆt anyone think they arnt good fighters because I think they are. Plus I know Tobias and Buddhist of Bat Phone from way back). At no point were we approached with a reasonable way forward or way out. I donÆt know where you got the didnÆt help DK line from. If you look at kb links from the first save-KBP-op, NMG. forces almost outnumbered DK. And we kept up helping them each time we could, even helping in Catch against PL. I and the other FCs fought HARD to get the fleets to swap their target painters and points for the dampeners which we tested in small numbers during that first KBP op (again, check killboards) with some success. In the meantime, Sodalitas and Daisho pilots were doing bomb runs on DK so even if you did have your facts remotely right, I donÆt see how youÆd have a leg to stand on (remember above about the hypocrisy stuff?) Originally by: Sonreir c.) And now you attempt to lay all this trouble at other people's doorsteps. The fact of the matter is that real leaders take responsibility for the situations in which they find themselves. You can't join into a NIP and then not uphold your side of the bargain. You guys rarely participated in any of the Provi-wide meetings, and rarely joined up in any fleets against CVA or other intruders. Heh well actually, in FACT: Noir. and Ushra Khan/DK were the only alliances in Provi which actually participated in the campaign against CVA in the first place. When it came time for AAAÆs ambitious region-wide sov attack our constellation had the most kills per day (Dotlan) and our alliance did the most damage of any of the new residents. We participated against Paxton when they attacked Chaos Theory (hell, I was arguing against even trying to include them in the NIP in the first place) and again fought CVA + company when sov transfer problems gave them a foothold in southern Providence. The only serious attack which we were unable to partake in repelling was HYDRA and that was because by the time our remaining 2 weeks of contract work was done all the fighting was over already. We had reps in just about every meeting (maybe weÆve missed one or two, I donÆt know there were a lot) and you wouldnÆt believe the hours and hours I put into shuttle diplomacy and free consulting to various alliance heads even if I felt like i should have been counting them and could name the number. Originally by: Sonreir Absentee landlords would be the polite way of saying you were never here and never active in the region. Everyone knew our merc lifestyle and what to expect. Our own renters are posting above in support of us. Why do they have less of a problem with our activity level in Providence than people on the other side of the region? Originally by: Sonreir So now after our pilots have fought and died to help hold your space while you messed about in Jita you have the nerve to come in here and tell us you've been mistreated? In fairness, no Sodalitas XX pilots were harmed in the making of this film ;p Guess what, the people who DID die for us (Imperial Order, DK/UshraKhan, LEGIO, Polaris) are also the people you donÆt like and who your alliance leaders have ridiculed and marginalized at every opportunity I was privy to. And they are some of our biggest supporters, and I theirs, because we DID work together and earn each others respect Originally by: Sonreir Good riddance. Yes. PS: bored without client :( ---
Pistrik Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:25:00 - [97] I now declare this thread over. Cookies and punch will be served in the lobby.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:32:00 - [98] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde a) What? I just gave you a history. Sorry it didn't conform to the one your alliance leaders have been relaying to you but that shouldn't be a reason for hostility. If anything IÆd call my treatment of the situation pretty tame compared to the opinions of some. And this pretty much sums up NOIR's understanding of what's actually going on. I am one of the alliance leaders and as such have had a full access to the events as they've unfolded. I may not be overly vocal about it much of the time, but I can assure you that your actions are/were based on paranoia and not on any real truth. Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde b) I am a hypocrite? Not quite sure how but boy this is really going to be fun when i point how you spout off allowing DK, a NIP member to be kicked in by PL, a sov invasion, because SODA felt there would be or intended there to be hostilities in the near future. See, wasnt that a good time? Did you guys help D'K defend their space? No? Out on contract again, I suppose... Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde c) I 100% accept responsibility to my corp for not selling our Providence holdings the two times I had the opportunity to do so. Would have been very significant income by our standards, though we are very small. I made the decision to try to stick it out and give the coalition a chance back when it looked like that was possible and by the time I realized how things were going to goàwell I WOULD say I couldnÆt even give them away except that I did. XD Not selling your friends down the river two of of three times you've had a chance is quite commendable. Keep it up. Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Except giving them a ôspankingö consisted of invading Providence. I donÆt remember anywhere in the NIP or any meeting where it was agreed that an invading enemy had to let everyone know before they got started that they were going to kick people out of every single system before the rest of us paid attention. Nowhere was it said that DK, or you guys for that matter, were fair game for getting evicted because they were talking ****. It's common sense. The spirit of the NIP is to promote a relative peace in the area so that we can all have some fun pew-pewing each other. If an entity, either internal or external, is a threat to that relative peace then that entity needs to be dealt with. I'm not one to subscribe to the rights of the individual being placed over the rights of the group and that's exactly the agenda D'K was pushing. They made decisions without consulting the rest of the Providence leadership and those decisions are what landed PL on their doorstep and also resulted in a significant portion of the Providence residents unwilling to dig them out of their own hole.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:58:00 - [99] Edited by: Sonreir on 18/10/2010 22:02:04 I do apologize if we were unable to get forces to you in time. Chalk it up to poor communication or poor timing, but I can assure you it was not malice. From our point of view we already working on removing the last of the D'K forces from the pocket and yet another opportunistic attack from CVA. A third attack, coming from Kadeshi, was starting to spread us thin and so our response times were not as good as they could have been. It's funny though... We were all geared up to start fighting on three fronts and then you guys go and turn your space over to CVA. So now instead of helping you guys fight off Kadeshi we're now helping Kadeshi fight off CVA. Self-fulfilling prophecy... Anyway... sorry for the tone of my earlier posts. I can see by the thought and effort put into yours that you are probably a reasonable person (most of the time, at least). I can understand that you were doing what you thought was best at the time, I'm just sorry that more communication didn't take place. As it turns out, there is (and never was) any conspiracy against you. I guess for all the *****ing and moaning this actually works out quite well though. Kadeshi are stronger allies then you guys were and we can set MC back to blue now that they're not on contract against a Provi alliance. You guys get to go back to doing what you do best and you made a fist full of cash in the processes. Seems like a win-win situation and here we all are complaining like tea partier at a gay pride rally. See you guys in space, Sonny
Galthirion Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.18 23:50:00 - [100] Originally by: Sonreir Wow, Alek... All in one post you manage to: a.) Completely ignore all the facts and history of the situation b.) Be a massive hypocrite c.) Refuse to accept responsibility for any of the actions you or your alliance has taken I like doing the TL;DR version first, so now let me expand... a.) D'K is in the trouble they're in because they ran their mouths off and intentionally drug the rest of Provi into a war where there was little chance of success. Now if PL had come in looking to take all of Provi, the situation would have played out differently. We all would have fought shoulder-to-shoulder and died together, but they weren't here to invade Providence. They were only here to give a misbehaving child a well-needed spanking. D'K provoked that one and expected the other alliances to pay the butcher's bill. No thank you. Unfortunately, one ass-whopping wasn't enough to get through to them that they need to tone it down and a decision was made to remove them from Providence. That decision was made not, as many would have you believe, for purposes of conquest, but because it was best for the long-term stability and security of the region. If someone is rocking the boat, you sit them back down (with force, if necessary). We can't be in a NIP with another alliance who insists on poking hornet's nests and then expects their friends to pick up the tab. Now as to the facts of your situation: Not even one week ago there was a Provi TS meeting where we were all present to discuss the situation. I'm pretty sure you were there (someone from NOIR was), although you arrived 30 minutes late. And based upon your actions after that meeting you were probably AFK for most of it; smoking a joint. If you think back over your THC-clouded memories you may recall us bringing Derwent into the meeting to discuss The Kadeshi coming into Provi. We offered them ZQ2-CF constellation and told them if they continue going after your space then all of Provi would be there to fight them. But I'm sure that we got two dozen of all the alliance's leaders into the same TS channel just to convince you were WEREN'T plotting against you. That makes much more sense, right? b.) So now you call us back-stabbers for failing to honor the NIP. I admit, there is room to discuss the way things were handled with D'K and I'm sure there could have been improvement on both sides of the fence. But in your mind two wrongs make a right? You really think calling us out for not sticking to the letter of the NIP and then flipping your space to CVA makes you the good guys? It makes you vindictive and childish. Multiple opportunities have existed to salvage this situation and you've repeatedly ignored them. And the icing on the cake? You guys didn't help D'K against PL, either. c.) And now you attempt to lay all this trouble at other people's doorsteps. The fact of the matter is that real leaders take responsibility for the situations in which they find themselves. You can't join into a NIP and then not uphold your side of the bargain. You guys rarely participated in any of the Provi-wide meetings, and rarely joined up in any fleets against CVA or other intruders. Absentee landlords would be the polite way of saying you were never here and never active in the region. So now after our pilots have fought and died to help hold your space while you messed about in Jita you have the nerve to come in here and tell us you've been mistreated? Good riddance. I love when people cry and try to make just of there actions...you will lose your space little 0.0 monkey all in due time im sure... Origin.

Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:00:00 - [101] Originally by: Galthirion I love when people cry and try to make just of there actions...you will lose your space little 0.0 monkey all in due time im sure... And I love everyone here on CAOD. You guys are the best. :D
Linoth Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:21:00 - [102] As an alliance exec from Provi I was just curious... does all this emo text mean that we will be getting PVP served to us at home this weekend or will we need to roam...? Or then again maybe this is just a wall of emotard dribble and has no relevance.... Life is like a micro brewery
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:54:00 - [103] Originally by: Linoth As an alliance exec from Provi I was just curious... does all this emo text mean that we will be getting PVP served to us at home this weekend or will we need to roam...? Or then again maybe this is just a wall of emotard dribble and has no relevance.... Ah come on man, this has been one of the few COAD posts worth reading in the last couple of months.
Derwent Caldari Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:16:00 - [104] All i can gather from this is a bunch of TL;DR posting and jabbering back and forth. What leaves me clueless tho is these fights ur talking about. We barly saw any of u out there nore did we have any fights other than u shooting things that didnt shoot back during our TZ gap and maybe taking potshots on a few scrubs. The poses that was shot was one newly anchored and not stronted propertly :embarassed: and the second one was a pos w/o a forcefield that was redeployed after stealing it from ur "pets/renters" in LSS. Also, BAT PHONE was with us from day one its not that we called them in cus we cant handle the all mighty NMG. I cant speak on behalf of MC, but i can for Kadeshi and we havent hired them with the phat moon mining wallet money we have. It was simply one friend helping out another.
Kimsemus Amarr Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:23:00 - [105] Edited by: Kimsemus on 19/10/2010 01:24:57 Alek, If you spent as much time in provi shooting as you did making long winded and inaccurate forum posts, you'd be the number 1 PVPer in the region.
Pistrik Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:36:00 - [106] Edited by: Pistrik on 19/10/2010 01:43:57 ITT: Provi drama, best drama.
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.19 02:02:00 - [107] Originally by: Derwent All i can gather from this is a bunch of TL;DR posting and jabbering back and forth. What leaves me clueless tho is these fights ur talking about. We barly saw any of u out there nore did we have any fights other than u shooting things that didnt shoot back during our TZ gap and maybe taking potshots on a few scrubs. The poses that was shot was one newly anchored and not stronted propertly :embarassed: and the second one was a pos w/o a forcefield that was redeployed after stealing it from ur "pets/renters" in LSS. Also, BAT PHONE was with us from day one its not that we called them in cus we cant handle the all mighty NMG. I cant speak on behalf of MC, but i can for Kadeshi and we havent hired them with the phat moon mining wallet money we have. It was simply one friend helping out another. These kills right here Apologies if Bat Phone was with you from the start. ---
Metal Michelle Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.19 03:06:00 - [108] Edited by: Metal Michelle on 19/10/2010 03:13:21 Originally by: Kimsemus Edited by: Kimsemus on 19/10/2010 01:24:57 Alek, If you spent as much time in provi shooting as you did making long winded and inaccurate forum posts, you'd be the number 1 PVPer in the region. As far as the #1 PvPer in Providence award goes - I'm assuming you mean the brass-plated statue of Mel Gibson driving a Yugo - well, it's an honor just to be nominated. Edit: The only decent 1v1 and 2v2 fights I've ever had in Provi were versus CVA. For me, that was all I was looking for.
Galthirion Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.19 04:15:00 - [109] Originally by: Sonreir Originally by: Galthirion I love when people cry and try to make just of there actions...you will lose your space little 0.0 monkey all in due time im sure... And I love everyone here on CAOD. You guys are the best. :D You mad? Origin.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 04:39:00 - [110] Originally by: Galthirion Originally by: Sonreir Originally by: Galthirion I love when people cry and try to make just of there actions...you will lose your space little 0.0 monkey all in due time im sure... And I love everyone here on CAOD. You guys are the best. :D You mad? Just checking, but are you qualified to use that cliche?

Galthirion Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.19 07:03:00 - [111] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Galthirion Originally by: Sonreir Originally by: Galthirion I love when people cry and try to make just of there actions...you will lose your space little 0.0 monkey all in due time im sure... And I love everyone here on CAOD. You guys are the best. :D You mad? Just checking, but are you qualified to use that cliche? just checking but shouldn't you be packing up your ships and gear? Origin.
Psilocin Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.10.19 10:19:00 - [112] Every time I see the word NIP I think of boobies. Mmmmmm.......boobies
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 15:46:00 - [113] Edited by: Sonreir on 19/10/2010 15:47:58 Originally by: Galthirion You mad? Nah, but I am going to have to stop reading this thread or I'm gonna get fired for laughing too loud and disturbing my co-workers. The fact that some guy from a 100-man empire alliance can come on CAOD and predict the downfall of our 900-man 0.0 alliance because we're winning the war is epic on so many levels.
Manfred Sideous Amarr H A V O C Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2010.10.19 16:25:00 - [114] Wow this is a terrible thread. Provi 2.0 was a fun expirement for me. It has been a fun ride watching things play out. Creating a little garden community and giving them all little patches to grow and then backing away and watching how things all play out. Pretty neat stuff.
Faekurias Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.19 16:42:00 - [115] This thread is the best thread TBH Also: Galt's posting is speshul <3
Sick Boy Minmatar Unknown-Entity	Posted - 2010.10.19 17:02:00 - [116] When alek said "his internet tough guy image" it required another post from me. This guy has to be the most long winded, delusional leader in eve with the least amount of firepower to bring to the table. But he is good at one thing, tricking renters from empire to pay him for space, when he can't come close to defending them from any corp over 30 members large. Unfortunately his band of 5 merry pvpers with stealth bombers probably are good friends and we will have to listen to noir posts for a long time to come as they strive someday to be relevant. To even come close to comparing noir to an MC or PL is completely ridiculous. they average 5 man bomber gangs, are you kidding me???
Kimsemus Amarr Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 17:06:00 - [117] Originally by: Metal Michelle Edited by: Metal Michelle on 19/10/2010 03:13:21 Originally by: Kimsemus Edited by: Kimsemus on 19/10/2010 01:24:57 Alek, If you spent as much time in provi shooting as you did making long winded and inaccurate forum posts, you'd be the number 1 PVPer in the region. As far as the #1 PvPer in Providence award goes - I'm assuming you mean the brass-plated statue of Mel Gibson driving a Yugo - well, it's an honor just to be nominated. Edit: The only decent 1v1 and 2v2 fights I've ever had in Provi were versus CVA. For me, that was all I was looking for. That's a bummer, i enjoy the occasional 1v1, before you leave Provi, swing by and we can have a duel. ^o^
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.19 17:10:00 - [118] Originally by: Manfred Sideous Wow this is a terrible thread. Provi 2.0 was a fun expirement for me. It has been a fun ride watching things play out. Creating a little garden community and giving them all little patches to grow and then backing away and watching how things all play out. Pretty neat stuff. Well I can believe you acted with the highest of intentions: to create a new thing that would be better then the old one. Hell is full of good intentions. Where there was order there is chaos. Were there were people there is a desert. Yep you created an abomination. You may as well be known as Dr. Provenstein. God is my Wingman
Galthirion Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.19 18:02:00 - [119] Originally by: Sonreir Edited by: Sonreir on 19/10/2010 15:47:58 Originally by: Galthirion You mad? Nah, but I am going to have to stop reading this thread or I'm gonna get fired for laughing too loud and disturbing my co-workers. The fact that some guy from a 100-man empire alliance can come on CAOD and predict the downfall of our 900-man 0.0 alliance because we're winning the war is epic on so many levels. 1 I have probably been playing this game longer then 75% of your alliance. 2 check our KB were far from an empire alliance. 3 dont lie about you working, you more then likely live in your moms basement. and eat cheetos and and twinkies all day long. 4 you still mad bro? Origin.
RedSplat Caldari 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.10.19 18:25:00 - [120] Edited by: RedSplat on 19/10/2010 18:29:30 Whats ridiculous is that you can say Quote: This guy has to be the most long winded, delusional leader in eve with the least amount of firepower to bring to the table. and mean it. Under your stewardship your alliance was so dysfunctional, ineffectual and lacking direction you had to hire mercs to get the job done. Any competent alliance and indeed its presumably competent leadership, that was of Maru Kage's size at that time, would not have had to do this. The cherry on the top was you as a leader had so chronically mismanaged your alliance that you could not afford to pay the mercs you hired. The only thing you seemed to excel at in your time as part of Maru Kage was running your mouth without regard for consequence or whether what you say has any grounds in reality. Anyway, take care and enjoy Unkown-Entity. and your home after that, the one after that, then the next...I'm sure you will figure it out before the rest of your corp does someday. Hugs and kisses from the 54th http://www.heropilotsofthe54th.com/ Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.

Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 18:55:00 - [121] Originally by: Galthirion 1 I have probably been playing this game longer then 75% of your alliance. 2 check our KB were far from an empire alliance. 3 dont lie about you working, you more then likely live in your moms basement. and eat cheetos and and twinkies all day long. 4 you still mad bro? No need to get defensive. I was only kidding. I'm sure you guys are really hardcore.
Faekurias Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.19 18:56:00 - [122] Originally by: Sonreir Originally by: Galthirion 1 I have probably been playing this game longer then 75% of your alliance. 2 check our KB were far from an empire alliance. 3 dont lie about you working, you more then likely live in your moms basement. and eat cheetos and and twinkies all day long. 4 you still mad bro? No need to get defensive. I was only kidding. I'm sure you guys are really hardcore. We sure are hard anyways, or atleast I am. And I'm not talking about stomach if you know what I mean :nudgenudge:
Buhhdust Princess Caldari Reverse Psychology. BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.10.19 19:13:00 - [123] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Originally by: Derwent All i can gather from this is a bunch of TL;DR posting and jabbering back and forth. What leaves me clueless tho is these fights ur talking about. We barly saw any of u out there nore did we have any fights other than u shooting things that didnt shoot back during our TZ gap and maybe taking potshots on a few scrubs. The poses that was shot was one newly anchored and not stronted propertly :embarassed: and the second one was a pos w/o a forcefield that was redeployed after stealing it from ur "pets/renters" in LSS. Also, BAT PHONE was with us from day one its not that we called them in cus we cant handle the all mighty NMG. I cant speak on behalf of MC, but i can for Kadeshi and we havent hired them with the phat moon mining wallet money we have. It was simply one friend helping out another. These kills right here Apologies if Bat Phone was with you from the start. Oh no u di'nt! Less whine please, this thread has been on frontpage, TOO LONG! ________________________________________
Hexman Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.19 19:46:00 - [124] This is great news that you're moving out of 0.0! I may get to hire you guys to blow up an offline pos owned by a 2-member corp in highsec so I can put one up myself. Really need a bad ass merc group like you.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.19 19:53:00 - [125] This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. Blog and Podcast - Twitter: DeclareWar
Galthirion Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.19 20:50:00 - [126] Originally by: Sonreir Originally by: Galthirion 1 I have probably been playing this game longer then 75% of your alliance. 2 check our KB were far from an empire alliance. 3 dont lie about you working, you more then likely live in your moms basement. and eat cheetos and and twinkies all day long. 4 you still mad bro? no need to get defensive. I was only kidding. I'm sure you guys are really hardcore. Not getting defensive at all bud.just want to kill any and all thoughts that had anything to do with empire that extra stuff was just iceing on the cake ;P Origin.
Alekseyev Karrde Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.19 20:55:00 - [127] Originally by: Hexman This is great news that you're moving out of 0.0! I may get to hire you guys to blow up an offline pos owned by a 2-member corp in highsec so I can put one up myself. Really need a bad ass merc group like you. Lemme guess, afraid your alliance will take your money and forget who you are? ;p ---
Manic M1ner Caldari Active Fusion Cold Fusion.	Posted - 2010.10.19 21:14:00 - [128] Edited by: Manic M1ner on 19/10/2010 21:23:32 Edited by: Manic M1ner on 19/10/2010 21:18:07 Edited by: Manic M1ner on 19/10/2010 21:16:21 Originally by: Sick Boy When alek said..... bla, bla bla, But he is good at one thing, tricking renters from empire to pay him for space, As Noir renters we were fully aware from the off Noir would be on contract most of the time and would not be around to hold our hands. We were definitely not tricked out of empire, it was an amicable offer, Noir paid the sov bills, we paid rental to cover the cost, with very little of the usual red tape that comes with rental.
KhaelaMensha Khaine Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.20 06:49:00 - [129] Edited by: KhaelaMensha Khaine on 20/10/2010 06:52:34 Originally by: orphenshadow I even offered to hire noir to defend their own space multiple times. Unfortunatly, they declined. Originally by: Christina Bamar Alek, I don't think I've ever met anyone who said more while doing less than you. It's been interesting.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.20 13:45:00 - [130] Warhammer.

Flashh Gorden Caldari Exile Consortium Nihilists Social Club	Posted - 2010.10.20 14:32:00 - [131] Originally by: Manfred Sideous Wow this is a terrible thread. Provi 2.0 was a fun expirement for me. It has been a fun ride watching things play out. Creating a little garden community and giving them all little patches to grow and then backing away and watching how things all play out. Pretty neat stuff. since when did backing up mean getting spanked so hard you lose all your space and quit the alliance?
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Academy	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:35:00 - [132] Edited by: JC Anderson on 21/10/2010 08:41:28 Originally by: Psilocin Every time I see the word NIP I think of boobies. Mmmmmm.......boobies Strangely enough the first thing I think of are those little crackers called cheese nips. Originally by: Hannibal Ord Warhammer. 40k or fantasy battle?
Galthirion Caldari Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:33:00 - [133] Numbers dont lie and for some of the groups here Noir has put up better numbers then most alliances bashing them here i find it funny that this thread has reached 5 pages. Origin.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.23 15:46:00 - [134] Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 21/10/2010 08:41:28 Originally by: Psilocin Every time I see the word NIP I think of boobies. Mmmmmm.......boobies Strangely enough the first thing I think of are those little crackers called cheese nips. Originally by: Hannibal Ord Warhammer. 40k or fantasy battle? 40K. In refence to Space Elf boy somewhere above me. It's all that needed to be said really.
Typherian Minmatar Legio Invicta Black Skull Legion.	Posted - 2010.10.23 18:57:00 - [135] Way to go Noir! Yeah when I was fighting "with" CVA in the region I wasn't worried about fighting the rest of the residents and their failfleets but you guys always put up a stronger resistance and kept people out of your pocket. I could expect to see some real ships (Hacs Recons Hictors and T2)rather than the T1 cruiser failblob of flying dangerous or the drake blob of chaos theory. Good luck to you Noir and happy hunting.
Audi Amarr Amarr AEGIS COMBAT GROUP Aegis Militia	Posted - 2010.10.23 23:13:00 - [136] Edited by: Audi Amarr on 23/10/2010 23:23:21 AMARR VICTOR! Noir. Mercenary Group Best of Luck M8's where ever you decide to go. Respect ==========
Pistrik Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.24 01:16:00 - [137] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 21/10/2010 08:41:28 Originally by: Psilocin Every time I see the word NIP I think of boobies. Mmmmmm.......boobies Strangely enough the first thing I think of are those little crackers called cheese nips. Originally by: Hannibal Ord Warhammer. 40k or fantasy battle? 40K. In refence to Space Elf boy somewhere above me. It's all that needed to be said really. I heard you want a marine chainsword to the fase. Warhammer, putting chainsaws on weapons far before it was considered the "in" thing to do.
KhaelaMensha Khaine Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.10.25 12:42:00 - [138] Originally by: Hannibal Ord 40K. In refence to Space Elf boy somewhere above me. It's all that needed to be said really. That's Space Dark Elf to you kiddo. Considering you look like Darth Maul's cousin and are named after a fictional serial killer you really shouldn't....just saying.. w40k 4eva!!!!


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