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Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:04:00 - [61] Surely this is the end of mission running as we know it.
Narisa Bithon Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:39:00 - [62] Originally by: Ultim8Evil Originally by: Narisa Bithon fail observation ---- faction ammo will still sell like mad cos anyone who cant use t2 guns will still buy it for pew pew There are people who can't use T2 guns? yup they are called new players (noobs) and indy alts (miners that live in 0.0 and like to pew pew on occasion)
Jhoria Englside	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:39:00 - [63] Originally by: Ultim8Evil Originally by: Narisa Bithon fail observation ---- faction ammo will still sell like mad cos anyone who cant use t2 guns will still buy it for pew pew There are people who can't use T2 guns? i dont think so Edit: or not
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.10.19 08:39:00 - [64] Originally by: Jacob Holland Note that the statement is that they're focussing on the penalties which stack per hardpoint. Yes, that means things like the Cap and speed penalties not the tracking penalties. Rage Torps will still, from that statement, suck at hitting anything that isn't sieged (or a discoball of painters). Gleam will still fail to track Freighters... Faction Ammo will still be in significantly higher demand than T2 and most likely we will find the status quo and your LP/Isk ratios unchanged (unless you do a little research and find one of the many items which yield considerably higher returns than Ammo). TL;DR Version: T2 shortrange ammo will still have sucky tracking, sucky explosion radius...etc. Faction Ammo will still be better. No change to current prices expected. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Khanaris Asgarth Eternium Industries	Posted - 2010.10.19 08:48:00 - [65] Originally by: LHA Tarawa Now that insurance has been nerfed to prevent direct mineral to SIK conversaion, almost all ISK comes into the game from bounties and mission payouts. That money is then used to purchase stuff, like ships and modules, putting the money in the hands of the manufacturers. Those players use it to buy stuff like moon goo and ABC minerals from null sec residents. Selling moon goo? Probably selling to someone that runs L4s. Selling high-end minerals? Probably selling to someone who got the money from someone that runs L4s. Run 0.0 plexes for the faction drops? Probably selling to someone whos money came from L4 missions. Even those that convert thier LP into faction ammo, are probably selling it to people that got their ISK running L4s or selling stuff to people that run L4s. And this doesn't strike you as a problem? Whilst nerfing high level missions in itself wont fix it I feel its a step in the right direction. If running high sec missions remains as safe as it is the income should be diminished to reflect this.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.19 08:56:00 - [66] Originally by: LHA Tarawa Nerf L4's? Watch the EVE economy TRUELY crash. Now, you do understand that this doesn't affect the ISK faucet of L4s? If anything, it reduces the ISK sink of the LP store, leaving more ISK in the economyà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.19 09:11:00 - [67] Hmm, wonder what will change for laser pew pew. Gleam is tech II beam ammo while pulse is the laser of choice in maybe 95% of laser boat pew pew fits, I don't see that change much as increased fitting costs and decreased tracking on beams make them a worse choice for close range pew pew anyway ... The short range pulse ammo would be conflag but I am really curious how it will compare to Imperial Navy Multi's. ~~Recruiting!~~
Captain Blart Hideous Mutant Freekz	Posted - 2010.10.19 09:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Joe SMASH Mission runners are a bane to Eve. It is good that CCP is no longer catering to them. Level 4 missions should be in lowsec, level 5s in NPC 0.0. This change is good, dump your LP now. Can I have your stuff? Funny that all the 0.0 carebears ( and god knows there is shtload of them ) grinding null sec missions, ratting or plexing all day long and buying those GTC cards at 700 mill a pop ask for lvl 4 in low sec, and lvl 5 in null. The day CCP put lvl4 in low sec, I hope they remove local from 0.0 as it should be anyway. All of you 0.0 bears have it way too easy with those upgraded systems. PS i dont grind lvl4 in high sec btw. But I dont mind those who do it , they pay their subs as anyone else and if it wasn't for the carebears who mine and manufacture all the stuff you use to equip your ship, you would still be in your Ibis, mron !
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.10.19 10:30:00 - [69] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba From the latest Devblog: Quote: Tech II ammo is getting some love in the coming expansion. We are focusing on the short range versions of the Tech II ammo such as Gleam, Conflagration, Hail, Quake, Void and Javelin. We are removing various negative effects from each, focusing on the drawbacks which penalize your ship itself and also stack per hardpoint loaded with the ammo. This means the ammo will be a good alternative to the faction ammo and, without such focused and sometimes crippling drawbacks, will be much more useful. Faction ammo is the major trading good that is used to convert high volumes of loyalty points (LP) into ISK. If T2 ammo becomes a substitute for that, there will be less demand for faction ammo. The price of faction ammo will go down (to a level close to the t2 ammo price). The LP will therefor be worth less, means the missionrunners will get a hit in their income again. Especially the level 5 missionrunners, who get LP as their major reward. Did CCP do this on purpose ? Do they hate missionrunners ? Or will they compensate that by adding new stuff to the LP stores ? For a character that has a similar name as a legendary Caldari admiral that sacrificed his life (and his Chimera) to save the people, you cry too much. Adapt or be gone.
Darod Zyree Gallente Zyree Holding	Posted - 2010.10.19 10:39:00 - [70] People still do missions? Those people havenÆt heard about wormholes/sleepers yet? Also Sleeper AI for missions please, that'll give them somewhat to whine about :D -Darod-
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.10.19 11:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Captain Blart Originally by: Joe SMASH Mission runners are a bane to Eve. It is good that CCP is no longer catering to them. Level 4 missions should be in lowsec, level 5s in NPC 0.0. This change is good, dump your LP now. Can I have your stuff? Funny that all the 0.0 carebears ( and god knows there is shtload of them ) grinding null sec missions, ratting or plexing all day long and buying those GTC cards at 700 mill a pop ask for lvl 4 in low sec, and lvl 5 in null. The day CCP put lvl4 in low sec, I hope they remove local from 0.0 as it should be anyway. All of you 0.0 bears have it way too easy with those upgraded systems. Sounds good to me, CCP could do this tomorrow and I'd be happy. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always* to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.19 11:50:00 - [72] Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Abaroth Charmar Originally by: Khanaris Asgarth They make too much isk as it is risk free. Not true. There is no such thing as risk free, short of never undocking. Moar ships are lost in 24hr in Motsu, Dodixie, Peni etc than in much of low-sec. Because mission hubs are full of idiots and lowsec is empty.. You mean like those systems where I was passing through this morning with 22-6-6-17-6-6 people in local and a 10 man band camping a gate in the system with 17 people in local? Strange definition of "empty".
Gunner Cid The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2010.10.19 11:54:00 - [73] -Remove local from .4 and below -All lvl 3 quality 0 and higher missions go to low sec -Allow HIC bubbles in lowsec (activating bubble causes immediate sec status loss and gives GCC) -Remove all .4 space restrictions (fighters, moon mining, reactions, drugs, POS anchoring etc etc) Change how missions work; greatly increase bounties (like 3-6m bounties for BSes 1-3m bounties for BC) reduce number of **** for mission runner to shoot give all NPCs sleeper UI
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.19 12:05:00 - [74] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 19/10/2010 12:10:16 Originally by: LHA Tarawa Nerf L4's? Watch the EVE economy TRUELY crash. From the last quarterly report. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q2-2010.pdf Bounty payouts were 20 trillion ISK for the Apr-Jun quarter. Doing some math from the ship destruct numebrs and monthly ISK growth pre-insurance nerf we find that almost that much had been flowing into the game through intentional self-destruction of ships for insurance payouts. So, if you nerf L4s AND keep dropping insurance below ship mineral prices to prevent intentional insurance fraud direct mineral to ISK generation, then the EVE economy would crash and HARD! 20 trillion a quarter flowing out for system rental, taxes, station hanger rental, NPC sell orders like skill books, etc. and far, far less than that flowing in becuase they've killed both major sources of ISK generation (insurance fraud and L4 missions)? Not good. Not good at all. Judging from Cronothis post in the T2 boost thread and my personal recollection of the rapport between isk generated from the mission payout against the mission bounties, about 50% of the isk coming from bounties are generated by ratting and plexing, not by missions. Nerfing missions income will have effects (especially for new players and new alliances), but 0.0 alliances members will probably only need to reconvert the mission runner alt to a ratting/plexing alt to keep the same income. The effect would be a higher entry barrier to move in 0.0 for new alliances and corps and a buff for already entrenched alliances. Bad for the game as a whole? sure Good for most of the guys crying about L4 mission faucets? probable So they are all the motivations to push for that kind of change, it will boost the way they play. Originally by: Tippia Originally by: LHA Tarawa Nerf L4's? Watch the EVE economy TRUELY crash. Now, you do understand that this doesn't affect the ISK faucet of L4s? If anything, it reduces the ISK sink of the LP store, leaving more ISK in the economyà He was speaking of moving L4 to low sec, not the T2 ammunition change that (I think) will mostly increase the price of the usable T2 ammo, not reduce the price of faction ammunitions (beside some panic selling from the OP).
Zanes Shoubje	Posted - 2010.10.19 12:08:00 - [75] +1 to op
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.10.19 12:15:00 - [76] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac LOTS of noobs will still use faction ammo...because they're noobs and don't have the skills for t2. lp will not go down due to this boost. +1
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.10.19 12:38:00 - [77] It will hardly make a change and most certainly is not the mission nerf we all hoped for. Level 4s pay too much ISK for no risk, anyone that faction/officer fits a mission boat deserves the risk that comes with it.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.10.19 12:50:00 - [78] thanks for looking into this CCP. could never wrap my mind around Meta levels having strange s curve to them with ammo. doesn't affect faction ammo as much as you might think mission runners. faction ammo has big advantages over t1 I'll not drop faction ammo due to this change. would have to be a bit of a tard to dream up that possibility. well that or ccp adding negative bonus for faction ammo, which storyline wise could be understood as a grievance. This, not one jot boyo Yelp!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.10.19 12:56:00 - [79] Perhaps you could stop running boring pve and find a better way to make your isk before crying over something as riduculous as this. ~ OR ~ They should remove tech I ammo so people rely on faction ammo from mission runners. This grievance of greedy but stupid level 4 runners will not stand. ~_~
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.10.19 14:17:00 - [80] Originally by: V'hellu If you guys are such masochists, there are women in leather you call for a better time than playing a game you hate so much. Are you one of those women? If so I would like to book an appointment. /I like women in leather... When you kill someone on duty... ...they have to be your slave in the afterlife.
LittleTerror	Posted - 2010.10.19 14:43:00 - [81] Originally by: baltec1 I will still be using faction crystals as they dont burn out as fast. This
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.19 14:58:00 - [82] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: LHA Tarawa Nerf L4's? Watch the EVE economy TRUELY crash. Now, you do understand that this doesn't affect the ISK faucet of L4s? If anything, it reduces the ISK sink of the LP store, leaving more ISK in the economyà Don't be too hard on LHA... he's a bit out of his depth unless leading a band of pitchfork/flaming torch wielding village idiots looking for some T2 BPO owners to persecute/whine about.
Doddy Aliastra	Posted - 2010.10.19 15:13:00 - [83] Originally by: Hacra I dont know if you guys ever heard that level 5s are in lowsec which certainly does not come risk free, before you judge someone in your apparent indepth knowledge of the game and your obviously superior playstyle, perhaps you should go and try to solo those level 5 missions your self. And yes i can accumulate the lp quite fast should i so desire, but this does not mean it is easy. Surely a level 5 mission runner with their mountains of LP and mountains of tags are not focussed on ammo for returns?
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.19 16:03:00 - [84] CCP realizes that career mission runners will continue plodding along like mules chasing after a carrot on a stick, even if they throw 'em a nerf every once in a while. Running missions is so incredibly boring that, if I had no financial alternative, I'd much prefer to purchase ISK. Barring that, I'd station trade just enough to buy a few T1 Rifters per day and stay in RvB or Eve University forever. Not only does CCP know you'll bend over and take it ù hardcore players look upon career mission runners with contempt and just plain don't give a damn. If you're whining about a faction ammo nerf, you are a career mission runner, even if your main is in 0.0 or lowsec (and if you're in 0.0, I shudder to think why you're running missions all the time). TL;DR: Quite literally no one cares. Nice tears, though.
Caldari citizen52145894561	Posted - 2010.10.21 05:05:00 - [85] I am a carebare and I will say this. I have never had any reason to use T2 weapons, let alone T2 ammo with T2 weapons. Especially since: I can buy Faction weapons and faction ammo I can use that training time for something more useful, like piloting carriers maybe?
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.21 05:33:00 - [86] Originally by: Lady Spank Perhaps you could stop running boring pve and find a better way to make your isk before crying over something as riduculous as this. ~ OR ~ They should remove tech I ammo so people rely on faction ammo from mission runners. This grievance of greedy but stupid level 4 runners will not stand. 1. PVE is the only source of ISK in the game. If everyone stopped doing PVE content there would be no isk to trade goods with for that matter there would be no goods to trade. I suppose we could all then PVP in our newb ships with no points because someone has to do PVE content to make those too. 2. It takes T1 ammo to get Faction ammo so fail again. All that said a buff to T2 ammo is not a mission nerf. Many if not most people will continue to use faction ammo over the T2 variants anyway for a number of reasons. (price, Performance ability to use in non T2 guns) particularly the large variants considering the huge time investment required to spec large turrets.
Lachesis VII Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.10.21 06:00:00 - [87] Originally by: Gunner Cid -Remove local from .4 and below -All lvl 3 quality 0 and higher missions go to low sec -Allow HIC bubbles in lowsec (activating bubble causes immediate sec status loss and gives GCC) -Remove all .4 space restrictions (fighters, moon mining, reactions, drugs, POS anchoring etc etc) Change how missions work; greatly increase bounties (like 3-6m bounties for BSes 1-3m bounties for BC) reduce number of **** for mission runner to shoot give all NPCs sleeper UI Well, that would certainly increase the value of Passari, woudln't it? Might give us a reason to finally move in there. Note that I'm joking here. At least about the moving to Passari bit. I love my corp, but we all know that Python grunts lack.... intelligence.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:46:00 - [88] Originally by: Orange Lagomorph (and if you're in 0.0, I shudder to think why you're running missions all the time). FYI: 0.0 missions are p lucrative, especially for the Angels and Guristas. Not for faction ammo tho Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Ervol Libra Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:18:00 - [89] Originally by: Gunner Cid -Remove local from .4 and below -All lvl 3 quality 0 and higher missions go to low sec -Allow HIC bubbles in lowsec (activating bubble causes immediate sec status loss and gives GCC) -Remove all .4 space restrictions (fighters, moon mining, reactions, drugs, POS anchoring etc etc) Change how missions work; greatly increase bounties (like 3-6m bounties for BSes 1-3m bounties for BC) reduce number of **** for mission runner to shoot give all NPCs sleeper UI Remove local from empire space as well, bears are too safe when wardec'd because of local. .4 restrictions on pos' where/gonna be removed i think, read something about that
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:42:00 - [90] Originally by: Skex Relbore 1. PVE is the only source of ISK in the game. No. There is also insurance. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

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