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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:49:00 -
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Monty Python, providing amusing videos for every conceivable occasion since 1969 War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1176
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:01:00 -
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This information is already available in third party programs. All CCP is doing is making it not necessary to get another program to do this specific thing.
Just like it wasn't dumbing down when they added DPS split between drones missiles and turrets into the fitting window. |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
862
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:05:00 -
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There really is nothing that Eve-Online players won't whine about. They'll even complain about the UI offering more information than it currently does. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:09:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:Quote:Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war. This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist. Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other.
This, and don't forget depth and consequence. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |

Kitfox Mikakka
Third Impact Industries Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:29:00 -
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Seriously, holy crap. Something like this back when I started in the fall would have been really awesome, and the removal on racial member limits for corps is only good. There's a difference between dumbing things down and removing stupid terrible legacy cruft that's accumulated over the years. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1558
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:32:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:This, and don't forget depth and consequence.
yeah a skill that restricts the people you can recruit into your corp based on what they selected when they started their characters adds ~depth~
heh, please EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
2
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:Quote:Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war. This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist. Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other. No they don't but players are hardly Empires. The skill just forced CEO's to be racist, until they trained not to be. Hell you can have that skill at 5 and still say "Nope sorry no Minmatar slaves are joining this corp." Not really a lot of point in it, It should be more of a CEO's choice not a skill book.
IT can still be the CEO's choice even with this skill trained.
A Caldari CEO could accept all Caldarian & Amarrian applications, but still refuse all Gallente & Minmatar ones. There are probably RP corps that do just this.
For the OP. Dumbing down the skilltree, would mean lowering access requirements for Skills & Modules, as this is not happening the skilltree is not being dumbed down. Clarity and ease of access are not the same thing. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8879
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:57:00 -
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I agree. Show info should be removed because it's dumbing down the game.
If people can't be bothered with doing extensive tests of all equipment to discover all stats empirically, they should just gtfo. Oh, and sharing that information on the web would also be dumbing down the game GÇö it should be a bannable offence to show your research to others.
In fact, anything above pencil and graph paper should dumbs down the game and should be cause for immediate expulsion as well. Nothing has dumbed down the game as much as Excel.
 Unless the OP has never used EFT or EVEMon, and has never read any kind of EVE resource on the web, he should pipe down about people not being able to do research. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
864
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:59:00 -
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Hammer Borne wrote:How could anyone be against more information in the interface related to skills and other non-combat intel? What the heck is wrong with you, OP?
If you look at the OP's posting history you'll see that its just a gimmick character used for writing cliche shitposts. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
123
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Posted - 2012.08.04 03:20:00 -
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This is getting far to easy, having all the information in game would kill Eve no doubt. I propose that the in game language is changed to Latin to maintain the games exclusivity. |

Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
389
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Posted - 2012.08.04 03:25:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Denidil wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:I don't get why people object to these kinds of changes. It doesn't dumb the game down a single bit unless you think that EVEMon is a crutch. because new is bad. Should have to hardcore check all accounts every 24 hours or write down when the next skill finishes training  Nah.
oh gawd i remember before the queue.. .. training first levels of low rank skills really blew loads. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1237
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Posted - 2012.08.04 03:45:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote:This is getting far to easy, having all the information in game would kill Eve no doubt. I propose that the in game language is changed to Latin to maintain the games exclusivity. The item names were already slightly de-lore-ized, should we reverse some of them?
I mean we did drop Trauma for Scourge... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
113
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Posted - 2012.08.04 04:34:00 -
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I fail to see how this actually dumbs down the game. It doesn't change actual gameplay, all it does is show the possibilities what you can do, more of a guide to show what you can do. Its up to the players to determine their skillpath. |

Rakael Kateloda
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:23:00 -
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There is always invariably someone criticizing new features or anything new brought to the game, no matter what that is. Nothing new here, move along now, just another old disgruntled vet crying over progress. |

Halcyon Ingenium
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
154
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:27:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:Quote:Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war. This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist. Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other.
A capsuleer is not an empire. No Chribba, not even you.
They say that in learning the game Go, it is best to lose your first 50 games as soon as possible. This is because Go is complex, and the only way you will start to get an idea of strategy and play is by first sucking and failing as hard as you can. So...In EVE, it is best to get your first 50 deaths by combat as soon as possible. |

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
510
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:53:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:The first thing people generally tell new players is to get evemon, eft, or similar 3rd party programs because the ingame stuff is so bad. It's pretty obvious from the csm minutes that CCP is trying to integrate a lot of those features in game.
This is precisely what I've been doing as EVEmon allows you to see what skills unlock at particular levels. This is a positive move on CCP's part to help players make better decisions about their skill training and thus use their time more effectively. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
121
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:02:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Denidil wrote:Yes, because putting essential information about the game into the in game UI is dumbing down eve. just like when they started having 0.0 show truesec.
Give me all your stuff OP. I've played since 2007. That info is not essential.
Good thing then this feature isnt aimed at you, its aimed at people who are just starting out and dont know what modules they can use when they train certain skills. Its simple, makes important information more accesible and helps out those players that need it the most. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Unless the OP has never used EFT or EVEMon, and has never read any kind of EVE resource on the web, he should pipe down about people not being able to do research. using these OOG resources is a hurdle many players fail to take and playing entirely without them makes EVE a very unpleasant affair.
Of course CCP does not want to lose these customers and will try to keep them around, holding their hand whenever necessary - but I am not so sure if I as a player don't prefer them quitting before I ever have to deal with them in game.
If they are too lazy or ignorant to discover & use the most essential OOG resources that are linked in basically every guide then will they read their alliance forums?, will they sign up for jabber/irc?, will they use decent fittings?
isn't getting rid off these players before they can cause headaches for the rest of us a service to the eve community? |

Hammer Borne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.08.06 17:23:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Hammer Borne wrote:How could anyone be against more information in the interface related to skills and other non-combat intel? What the heck is wrong with you, OP? If you look at the OP's posting history you'll see that its just a gimmick character used for writing cliche shitposts.
Ahh, well that explains it. I fell right into that trap. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2125
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Posted - 2012.08.06 17:28:00 -
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Fun troll :)
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:I don't see this as being new player friendly, I see it as treating new players like morons who can't do any research. Was showing info on a module you wanted to use to see what skills you needed too complicated?
Heaven forbid people be able to make informed decisions without having to reverse engineer the whole game.
All the information is there, how is it dumbing down the game to simply remove the convoluted method and third party applications previously required to access it?
That's like crying about Excel because you used to use paper ledgers.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:EDIT: Also we appear to be dumbing down corp management
Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.
Please. Ethnic relations was one of the most pointless skills in the game. Dumbing down? That's one of the smartest improvements yet to skills. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
321
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Posted - 2012.08.06 17:29:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:'I had to crawl over broken glass and minefields in a blizzard to learn how Eve worked, all new and future players should be similarly punished and discouraged from playing'
OP is dumb. Don't be dumb, OP.
Actually, if that is what he said I would sort of agree with him. Most of EVE's charm is its complexity and its necessity for player deferred gratification. but I find myself thinking that these changes won't really amount to much change. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
971
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Posted - 2012.08.06 17:45:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Quote: Skill Unlocks See what modules and ships are unlocked by various skills.
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63110/1/Skill_unlocks.pngI don't see this as being new player friendly, I see it as treating new players like morons who can't do any research. Was showing info on a module you wanted to use to see what skills you needed too complicated?
Really?
You can't find anything else to complain about - you picked this?
Go back into your room and don't come out until you have a real complaint.
Here's your sign... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1241
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Posted - 2012.08.06 18:10:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Really? You can't find anything else to complain about - you picked this? Go back into your room and don't come out until you have a real complaint. Unless I had thought ahead that I would want T2 rigs (which I never use now) I wouldn't have known to train Jury Rigging IV for them. Or random prereqs for whatever.
The "skill unlocks XXYY" and "skills by attribute" in EVEMon is very handy when working out remap sequences and the like. And the optimize attributes, that goes without saying.
Besides, isn't that guy some gimmick trolling account? I remember someone saying so. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Ghost Frog
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.06 18:21:00 -
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ITT: troll posts something so stupid that even Desturned mocks him.
Dear OP, have you ever used EVEmon or EFT or PYFA or any of the industry/trading tools? Then you're a moron. Cause only weak-minded fools can't do in their head the complete training planning, industrial production chain planning for 200 different items at 3 different tiers, max number of market orders, research slots, and inventory management, plus the math related to all of them, for multiple accounts.
OMG. I just figured out why you're so resistant to change. You CAN do all those things in your head. You're Rain Man. Quick! Wapner's on! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1241
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Posted - 2012.08.06 18:24:00 -
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Ghost Frog wrote:ITT: troll posts something so stupid that even Desturned mocks him.
Dear OP, have you ever used EVEmon or EFT or PYFA or any of the industry/trading tools? Then you're a moron. Cause only weak-minded fools can't do in their head the complete training planning, industrial production chain planning for 200 different items at 3 different tiers, max number of market orders, research slots, and inventory management, plus the math related to all of them, for multiple accounts.
OMG. I just figured out why you're so resistant to change. You CAN do all those things in your head. You're Rain Man. Quick! Wapner's on! EFT is great stuff. WFT warriors with their paper DPS tanked tricks using oversized ASBs, that's the life. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
38
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Posted - 2012.08.06 18:28:00 -
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Natasha Mendel wrote:Quote:Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war. This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist.
Me and my kinsmen started the game because we could stomp on space Minmatars... And burn ships in their back yards.
There is nothing wrong about hating the minmatars |

Sotah Osodin
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.07 09:07:00 -
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Just another thread complaining about UI improvements. Nothing to see here. Move on. |

marVLs
31
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Posted - 2012.08.07 10:06:00 -
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At least, awesome feature  |

Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
208
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Posted - 2012.08.07 10:15:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:EDIT: Also we appear to be dumbing down corp management
They should add Suduku puzzles on the opening screen of corp management, cant advance to next screen till you solve it.
That will sort out this softies who want GUI's to be easy. |

Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
81
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Posted - 2012.08.07 10:37:00 -
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I bet OP tests everything on Singularity before he does it on TQ.
I bet one million Interstellar Kredits.
Singularity dumbs down the game and removes risk. |
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