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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2012.08.03 23:58:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp
Quote:
Skill Unlocks
See what modules and ships are unlocked by various skills.
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63110/1/Skill_unlocks.png
I don't see this as being new player friendly, I see it as treating new players like morons who can't do any research. Was showing info on a module you wanted to use to see what skills you needed too complicated?
EDIT: Also we appear to be dumbing down corp management
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Skills
Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.
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Pankas Carter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:02:00 -
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I fail to see how this will matter to anyone who doesn't want to use it.
Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear?
Starbuck: Nothing but the rain.
Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1288
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:02:00 -
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No the problem is they don't know what module the skill effects in the first place.
This is like the skill explorer that EVEMon has and is a very welcome feature for both new and old players alike.
The Drake is a Lie |
Vel'drinn
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime
Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:04:00 -
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The average player doesn't look up info on a website to get info on features. The game should provide all that information for you.
There's a big difference between accessibility and dumbing things down. In this case, a new player might ask themselves, "What is the advantage to raising this particular skill?" This sort of feature answers the question just fine. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
611
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:06:00 -
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Pankas Carter wrote:I fail to see how this will matter to anyone who doesn't want to use it.
EDIT for you EDIT:
Yea, because it totally make sense to make corporation management racist by default. I'm glad that's going away.
You know there's always some bitter cynical raging frustrated angry vet to tell a few wise words how changes are bad for the game, dumb it down, wow friendly yadayada...
brb |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
95
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:10:00 -
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If you look around, one of the most common complaints about getting started in EVE is the complexity and mystery of the Skill tree; I see it as no bad thing to make it a wee bit more accessible.
Hell, I've been on this toon since 2004 and I still get lost in it.
Don't worry - I can't see this change being the driver that releases the hordes of Wow like players into our midst, watering down our beautiful game. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
639
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:10:00 -
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'I had to crawl over broken glass and minefields in a blizzard to learn how Eve worked, all new and future players should be similarly punished and discouraged from playing'
OP is dumb. Don't be dumb, OP.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Natasha Mendel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:15:00 -
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Quote:Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.
This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist.
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Denidil
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
384
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:15:00 -
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Yes, because putting essential information about the game into the in game UI is dumbing down eve. just like when they started having 0.0 show truesec.
Give me all your stuff OP.
If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:16:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Yes, because putting essential information about the game into the in game UI is dumbing down eve. just like when they started having 0.0 show truesec.
Give me all your stuff OP.
I've played since 2007.
That info is not essential. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:17:00 -
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Never go full ****** OP.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:18:00 -
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Natasha Mendel wrote:Quote:Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war. This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist.
Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other. |
Jonah Gravenstein
702
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:19:00 -
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Any improvements to the minefield of the skill tree is welcome.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
782
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:19:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other.
We are the lore now. We are our own empires. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
415
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:22:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:Quote:Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war. This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist. Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other.
No they don't but players are hardly Empires. The skill just forced CEO's to be racist, until they trained not to be.
Hell you can have that skill at 5 and still say "Nope sorry no Minmatar slaves are joining this corp."
Not really a lot of point in it, It should be more of a CEO's choice not a skill book.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Jonah Gravenstein
702
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:24:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Denidil wrote:Yes, because putting essential information about the game into the in game UI is dumbing down eve. just like when they started having 0.0 show truesec.
Give me all your stuff OP. I've played since 2007. That info is not essential.
To you it may not be essential, after 5 years I should damn well hope you know your way around the skill tree, for people with zero or little experience of Eve I would say it's going to be a great help.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:26:00 -
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6 of one half a dozen of the other.
I liked the complexity and the stumbling fumbling around in the dark aspect. Sure it meant missing out on a lot of the top end in the beginning so sure its dumbing it down in that sense.
On the other hand someone that isnt going to do the research outside wont do it inside either so putting that information anywhere wont help the vast majority nor will they still understand WHY they need to train a certain skill either for a module or another skill tree until they get the knowledge. That knowledge will only come in time or theyll just be robots and mimic whatever "programming" theyve had from friends, peers or corporate/alliance leadership in terms of what to do and when to do it.
So imo doesnt matter much in the long run.
Besides OP if they dumb the game down and get the WoW kiddies in here itll mean WAY more targets... way more STUPID targets. Remember only the strong survive.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
364
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:30:00 -
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what a stupid post. This makes the game more accessible not dumbed down.
Having to use Google and a wiki to learn how to play a game is not gameplay. It's immersion breaking and a lazy development practice. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1556
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:31:00 -
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I don't get why people object to these kinds of changes. It doesn't dumb the game down a single bit unless you think that EVEMon is a crutch.
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Adalynne Rohks
Tax Evasion Anonymous
154
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:31:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Quote:
Skill Unlocks
See what modules and ships are unlocked by various skills.
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63110/1/Skill_unlocks.pngI don't see this as being new player friendly, I see it as treating new players like morons who can't do any research. Was showing info on a module you wanted to use to see what skills you needed too complicated? EDIT: Also we appear to be dumbing down corp management Quote:
Skills
Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.
.
Have you made a single post in the last 2 weeks, where you haven't been crying about something? |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
271
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:42:00 -
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The first thing people generally tell new players is to get evemon, eft, or similar 3rd party programs because the ingame stuff is so bad. It's pretty obvious from the csm minutes that CCP is trying to integrate a lot of those features in game.
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Hammer Borne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:55:00 -
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How could anyone be against more information in the interface related to skills and other non-combat intel? What the heck is wrong with you, OP? |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1290
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Posted - 2012.08.04 00:58:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:
Have you made a single post in the last 2 weeks, where you haven't been crying about something?
I know right? Even his ava pic conveys a sense of him always being right, being whiny when he's not, and looks down to pretty much anyone regardless. The wrinkles in his face have burned in a look of perpetual disapproval and disdain for everyone and everything.
The Drake is a Lie |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
77
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:00:00 -
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Pankas Carter wrote:I fail to see how this will matter to anyone who doesn't want to use it.
EDIT for you EDIT:
Yea, because it totally make sense to make corporation management racist by default. I'm glad that's going away.
This dude has it totally right. What is so wrong about making a better tutorial to increase game particupation? The original tutorial was not exactly the most user friendly experience.
Not every change is "dumbing down". Sometimes thing were worse the old way and are in need if an update. That is what you alway hear from the elitists though. Sometimes change is good. Stop being a contrarian. |
Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:03:00 -
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People fall into one of two camps on this. The "Eve is hardcore, should stay hardcore cause CCP thinks we are smart" camp, or the "Eve is great and everyone should get to experience it" camp.
Personally, im new to PC games and MMOs in general and part of the draw of this game to me is that things arent laid out in a nice neat tutorial for you. It fosters stepping out into the social pool for help from players and doing your homework by reading the numerous materials you find online.
Whichever you are, I dont see anything here that threatens your individual play experience. In fact, Id think some people here would joy at the opportunity to either help some new player or help relieve them of their ISK. '
Cant please them all.
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Dyvim Slorm
MNU Operations
Luna Sanguinem
32
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:07:00 -
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Speaking as a bittervet  it seems a sensible enhancement to me.
Eve does have a steep learning curve, anything that makes it more accessible to new players is an enhancement, not dumbing down. |
Denidil
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
385
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:20:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:I don't get why people object to these kinds of changes. It doesn't dumb the game down a single bit unless you think that EVEMon is a crutch.
because new is bad.
If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Jonah Gravenstein
703
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:43:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:'I had to crawl over broken glass and minefields in a blizzard to learn how Eve worked, all new and future players should be similarly punished and discouraged from playing'
OP is dumb. Don't be dumb, OP.
Relevant to the OP's stance on change
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1757
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:44:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:'I had to crawl over broken glass and minefields in a blizzard to learn how Eve worked, all new and future players should be similarly punished and discouraged from playing'
OP is dumb. Don't be dumb, OP. Relevant to the OP's stance on change
What a coincidence, here's the Eve forums http://youtu.be/QTQfGd3G6dg |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1237
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:48:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:I don't get why people object to these kinds of changes. It doesn't dumb the game down a single bit unless you think that EVEMon is a crutch. because new is bad.
Should have to hardcore check all accounts every 24 hours or write down when the next skill finishes training 
Nah.
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