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Aamrr
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Posted - 2010.10.27 23:53:00 -
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This is quite ridiculous. It is almost impossible to fly the omen without electronics 5, engineering 5, weapon upgrades 5, advanced weapon upgrades 4, and energy grid upgrades 4 -- nevermind fitting the essential T2 guns to this ship for access to scorch ammo.
Explain to me precisely how many pilots will still be seriously interested in flying the omen at the point where they have all those skills? The only viable loadouts for this ship are nano setups, because nano modules don't use fitting resources. That's gotta stop.
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Unit ADA
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Posted - 2010.10.28 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Unit ADA on 28/10/2010 11:34:39
Indeed, the omen has some serious fitting problems, even the omen navy issue has problems with fitting. A boost in power-grid and CPU is definitely need for the Omen and the Omen Navy Issue, the Zealot is fine. In-fact the Omen Navy Issue should have around a similar fitting as the Zealot.
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Seito Chakari
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Posted - 2010.10.28 12:00:00 -
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Supported, the omen is a ship i have never even thought about flying pvp in because of its awful fitting abilities |
Nuts Nougat
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.28 12:01:00 -
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Fix all non-tier3 cruisers please.
Caracal? Nice range... Too bad everyone will just warp out before your missiles hit.
Omen? Could survive (barely) in the nano age, now it's just ughhh.
Stabber? No real hp, frigate dps, not fast enough anymore. Not to mention people will just shut off your your mwd and then no real hp turns into a wreck.
Thorax used to be good at what it does (get to 0 range, dps, hope other guy dies before you do). I haven't seen any in a very long time though, so I dunno if it still works.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.10.28 12:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Oh good you can mission in it, there is a huge difference between a PVP Armor fit and a PVE fit, it is great that it can PVE but as there only DMG Bonused laser boat, lets not leave PVP in the cold.
The Omen is not a DMG bonused laser boat, it's a DPS bonused laser boat. Check the stats - it gets a rate of fire bonus. No range bonus (which would allow you to use shorter range crystals), no damage bonus, no tracking bonus. It also gets more drones than the Zealot or Omen. Both these features point to it being a great PvE boat, obviously not designed for PvP.
Originally by: Alana IonStorm
Originally by: Mara Rinn
You just have to pick carefully between gank or tank.
Unlike any other Cruiser... Gotcha.
You'll have the same trouble trying to fit T2 short range weaponry on any T1 hull while still squeezing in damage mods, tank and tackle. Something has to give - you can't have one hull capable of fielding awesome DPS and being tackle and tank.
Omen Navy Issue, Zealot or Harbinger will let you fit all that junk onto one hull.
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Rickhart
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.28 13:31:00 -
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You'll have the same trouble trying to fit T2 short range weaponry on any T1 hull while still squeezing in damage mods, tank and tackle. Something has to give - you can't have one hull capable of fielding awesome DPS and being tackle and tank.
Omen Navy Issue, Zealot or Harbinger will let you fit all that junk onto one hull.
like the rupture, moa, caracal, stabber, vexor, thorax. but not really cause they can all fit tackle, tank, t2 short range guns.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.28 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 28/10/2010 16:34:16
Originally by: Mara Rinn
You'll have the same trouble trying to fit T2 short range weaponry on any T1 hull while still squeezing in damage mods, tank and tackle. Something has to give - you can't have one hull capable of fielding awesome DPS and being tackle and tank.
Omen Navy Issue, Zealot or Harbinger will let you fit all that junk onto one hull.
There are a lot of T1 cruisers from other races that don't absolutely suck just because of horribly gimped fittings. It is not too much to ask for FMP/1600 or HPL/800 to fit on an Omen. It would still be significantly worse than a Rupture, for example... and I wouldn't hesitate to engage it in a Vexor, Arbitrator, or Thorax.
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Jullliana
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Posted - 2010.10.28 21:03:00 -
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I <3 the Omen.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.10.28 21:11:00 -
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Supporting this here thread is I.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Melina Lin
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Posted - 2010.10.29 03:44:00 -
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Even just a little more CPU would unsuck the Omen quite a bit. Supported.
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Alexis Sapphire
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Posted - 2010.10.29 05:47:00 -
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irion felpamy
Assisted Genocide
Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:07:00 -
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I don't fly the omen now and I probably won't even if it gets buffed but its a clear case of bad fitting gimping an otherwise viable ship for no good reason.
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 29/10/2010 12:57:51
I would not say that FMP + 1600mm should be possible, but FMP + 800mm + MWD + around 100 points grid should be possible. The spare grid is mostly for the reason that the 1600mm should be possible with a RCU II similar to the rax. Also because you will most likely not have maxed fitting skills if you will fly it in the beginning.
Also it needs a bit more CPU to.
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Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.10.29 14:14:00 -
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It has some crazy fitting issues. Supported.
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steejans nix
0beron Construct
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:24:00 -
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Make it useful please
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:49:00 -
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*speechless*
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Firey Jack
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.10.30 12:59:00 -
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Omen badly needs the attention, and has for a long time.
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.11.02 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: William Cooly on 02/11/2010 13:52:13
I remember struggling with this as a newer player, there's no feasible way to fit this thing well at that point without a ****load of reactor controls next to your 1600mm plate and heavy pulse laser I's.
Originally by: Templar Dane
Tanking is not a role.
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Brynhilda
Gun Metal Clones
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:13:00 -
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I am Valkyrie Brynhildr and I support this topic.
I would love a boost to the Omen as it is hard to fly a laser cruiser being a somewhat new pilot unless its a Navy Omen or Ashimmu.
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Koronakesh
Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah
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Posted - 2010.11.02 18:47:00 -
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Please fix the poor omen :(
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Tyranis Marcus
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Posted - 2010.11.03 04:30:00 -
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Yes, the Omen sucks. It'd be nice to see it fixed.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.11.03 21:39:00 -
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Confirming that the Omen is terrible and that atm you can get kind of an okay fit with FMP and that it fits really well with QLB but those suck anyway
please fix the omen; at the moment there are zero good cheap laser cruisers and that sucks since lasers are awesome
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.11.03 23:52:00 -
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The omen is in desperate need of some extra PG, supported.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2010.11.04 03:32:00 -
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Honestly, it needs more CPU too.
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Slick O'Hara
Pacific Dawn
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Posted - 2010.11.04 06:49:00 -
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Also agreed.
Although someone said earlier to boost the maller... no, just no
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.11.04 23:53:00 -
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In news today, top tier T1 cruisers are only effective with max skills and fittings to match the hull cost.
Want cheap? Fly an Arbitrator. |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.05 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
In news today, top tier T1 cruisers are only effective with max skills and fittings to match the hull cost.
Want cheap? Fly an Arbitrator.
In news today, you don't know what top teir means. that is the Maller.
Max skill so it should take more skill to fit then a Harbinger or Zealot, let alone the very fitting friendly Stabber and Vexor...
Hull cost is close the same because is in the same teir as the Arby, guess you missed that.
Everyone already flys Arbies which is the issue. The Omen is close to a dead ship in PVP because of fitting issues and a buff would be acceptable.
Next time read up on the ship before making failed opinions.
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Shirley Serious
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.11.05 02:38:00 -
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The description for the Omen says "The Omen is a stereotypical example of the Amarrian School of thinking when it comes to ship design: thick armor and hard hitting lasers."
It has to be able to fit thick armour and hard hitting lasers. And not the abominations that are quad light beams.
Similar size or cost ships have more hp, more firepower, and are easier to fit as well.
"Meh, skip laserboats till Harbinger" is no good for the game.
"Meh, crosstrain X race instead" is no good for the game.
What EVE needs is for all ships to be useful. When there are ships which are more useful to build t2 ships with than to fly in their own right, then that's no good.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.11.08 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
In news today, you don't know what top teir means. that is the Maller.
heh true, never noticed maller was the bigger, so Omen shouldn't be as good as it is then I guess.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Max skill so it should take more skill to fit then a Harbinger or Zealot, let alone the very fitting friendly Stabber and Vexor...
Vexor compares to Arbitrator, both in cost and function, Arbitrator is easier to fit then Vexor.
Omen compares to Thorax, both take just as much cost and skill to fit properly, maybe the tiers are different but this is how it seems to be balanced.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
The Omen is close to a dead ship in PVP because of fitting issues and a buff would be acceptable.
It's pretty awesome when fit right and using some decent cheap hardwires to boost it.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Next time read up on the ship before making failed opinions.
bah I got the official tier wrong, but it's where it fits in the game regardless.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.08 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Vexor compares to Arbitrator, both in cost and function, Arbitrator is easier to fit then Vexor.
Yes Arby is fine, we know. This isn't a thread about the Arby it is about the Omen, Ammars only Dmg Bonused Lasor Boat.
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Omen compares to Thorax, both take just as much cost and skill to fit properly, maybe the tiers are different but this is how it seems to be balanced.
Doesn't even come close, the Thorax can be fit below max skill with 800mm, 1-2 EANM. 1-2 Magstabs and a DCU. The Vexor fits any of the above mods just fine in it's lows,
Omen at max skill needs a powergrid rig or implant and has to fit 0 CPU resist mods.
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
It's pretty awesome when fit right and using some decent cheap hardwires to boost it.
So noobs need max skill and implants to fly it while the Harby fits fine, to bad you can't afford a Harby or the implants while new.
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
bah I got the official tier wrong, but it's where it fits in the game regardless.
No Maller fits fine with Low Skill and works even better with Auto's...
So yeah change the Omens fitting to be more forgiving of Low Skill and more ease at high skill. Good layout, weapons, bonuses and yet is the least used combat cruiser because of this.
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