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Nulpax	Posted - 2010.10.20 11:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Arthur Frayn I wonder how awesome Eve was back in 2004. That would be a fair comparison to what STO is like now. It was pretty ****ing awesome if you ask me.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.10.20 11:32:00 - [32] I think its even fair to say that eve did better than sto did at its start. CCP had to sell board games to make enough money to buy computers to start making eve online. Cryptic already had alot of them. CCP had to deal with a publisher that almost successfully tried to drop them off the face of the earth. CCP had to overcome the fact that it was an IP nobody heard of before because they're the ones who made it. And the fact Eve online used to be 2D in the pre alpha. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui	Posted - 2010.10.20 11:38:00 - [33] Edited by: Stitcher on 20/10/2010 11:39:57 Originally by: Lemmy Kravitz Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 20/10/2010 11:11:36 Originally by: Tyber Zaan The threadnaught is a good read. Makes me want to see the EVE community and STO community face off in an epic space battle. As much as i like Eve. If it comes to ship to ship combat Star Trek would win hands down. A stupid Frigate from Star Trek would Roflpwn an Eve Dreadnought. Star Trek technology borders on magic. They moved a friggin MOON with their warp engines, and let's not forget the I win setting on the deflector dish. torpedo that can crack a planet. They've harnessed the power of black holes. And invented some weird red goop they keep in a fancy lava lamp that creates artificial blackholes. One Startrek ship let loose in the eve universe would be like setting loose godzilla on the ancient Romans. in STO's defense I did like thier ship combat more than eve's it was more indepth. Shields and guns had facings and going behind objects dropped lock and blocked torpedoes. But that's something eve won't have until we are all on fiberoptic networks and the cell processor is standard issue for servers. the difference is, it takes them like five years to build their largest class of ship, which is equivalent to an EVE battlecruiser (never understood that, why not just use a giant Replicator to build their ships?) IIRC, five years ago was around about the time when carriers and titans were first introduced to EVE. So, in the time it takes them to produce ONE ship at a given shipyard, an EVE factory can produce thousands. Also, it's impossible to kill a capsuleer. We just get back up, strap on a new ship and come at it again. Victory through overwhelmingly superior numbers. black hole lava lamps be damned. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.20 14:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 20/10/2010 11:39:57 Originally by: Lemmy Kravitz Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 20/10/2010 11:11:36 Originally by: Tyber Zaan lol posts Just hit them from range. All of their weapons have a 10k range and at 180km they wouldn't even see the apoc fleet that is killing them But yea, When I found this artical I just had to go to the STO forums and watch all the rage. I played STO beta and managed to finish the game in less than a month. It is by far the single worst MMO I have ever played and going by what I hear, you can finish the last six months of add ons in less than a day. Only reason it is still alive is because its trek
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.10.20 14:58:00 - [35] I cant believe people read that crap.
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.10.20 14:59:00 - [36] I am both a trekkie and eve player. The lore in STO was good, but the gameplay got old....fast. Space combat consists of spamming the spacebar. Ground combat is like a buggy, laggy version of WoW with hurp derp AI.
Verkala Ven	Posted - 2010.10.20 15:09:00 - [37] I hate MMORPG.com as a site - full of complete tripe. The article was hardly fair, and they've added a disclaimer that says the reviewer played only a tiny amount of STO. Not that I disagree with any of it though :D The funniest part is the STO ragethread. I didn't bother getting too far into it, but the responses mostly seemed to be "RAGE! UNFAIR! BIAS!! TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!! But you know, they're basically right..." :)
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.20 15:32:00 - [38] Poor STO... I almost feel bad for them. Let's face it: We all complain about Eve but nothing even comes close. We all wish there was something 'better' but everything new fails miserably. I look forward to the day when Eve has proper competition. People with money and discontent for Eve please continue to try and review new products for me. Until then, I'll pay my Eve subscription and wish other developers luck.
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.10.20 16:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Zabby Gabby 2) They all shield tank, and everyone knows that shield tanking in a fleet is a bad idea... Federation cruisers in STO hull tank.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.10.20 16:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Tyber Zaan I am both a trekkie and eve player. The lore in STO was good, but the gameplay got old....fast. Space combat consists of spamming the spacebar. Ground combat is like a buggy, laggy version of WoW with hurp derp AI. QFT. Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact

JcJet Caldari Pretenders Inc Tower of Dark Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.20 17:15:00 - [41] Obviously that author is initially knows which game should win. Boring, and stupid. who cares? ---
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.10.20 17:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Zabby Gabby IF EVE payers fought ST:O players, this is why we would win: 1) Their biggest vessel is no bigger than a battleship. 2) They all shield tank, and everyone knows that shield tanking in a fleet is a bad idea... 3) They don't have good logistics. 4) We have capital ships <3 thing is while we have them beat completely on organization etc the simple fact is their ships have vastly superior weapons to ours. it's a trivial exercise for them to hit things from 30 000 km away while we range out a couple hundred km at most. their ships are so much faster than ours that we might as well be paddling rafts about. our only real hope is to invade their planets and seize their tech early on. once we somewhat equalize the tech the federation et al are doomed .
Joe Phoenix	Posted - 2010.10.20 18:17:00 - [43] The community is friendly and mature? That guys an idiot!
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.10.20 18:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Ehranavaar Originally by: Zabby Gabby IF EVE payers fought ST:O players, this is why we would win: 1) Their biggest vessel is no bigger than a battleship. 2) They all shield tank, and everyone knows that shield tanking in a fleet is a bad idea... 3) They don't have good logistics. 4) We have capital ships <3 thing is while we have them beat completely on organization etc the simple fact is their ships have vastly superior weapons to ours. it's a trivial exercise for them to hit things from 30 000 km away while we range out a couple hundred km at most. their ships are so much faster than ours that we might as well be paddling rafts about. our only real hope is to invade their planets and seize their tech early on. once we somewhat equalize the tech the federation et al are doomed . Also, the navigational deflector would abosrb most new eden weaponry. Since its job is to red-shift incoming light and deflect micrometeoroids, (rendering projectile and laser weaponry useless) the only weapon worthy of main Federation sheilds are antimatter charges.
Joe Phoenix	Posted - 2010.10.20 18:42:00 - [45] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Originally by: Ehranavaar Originally by: Zabby Gabby IF EVE payers fought ST:O players, this is why we would win: 1) Their biggest vessel is no bigger than a battleship. 2) They all shield tank, and everyone knows that shield tanking in a fleet is a bad idea... 3) They don't have good logistics. 4) We have capital ships <3 thing is while we have them beat completely on organization etc the simple fact is their ships have vastly superior weapons to ours. it's a trivial exercise for them to hit things from 30 000 km away while we range out a couple hundred km at most. their ships are so much faster than ours that we might as well be paddling rafts about. our only real hope is to invade their planets and seize their tech early on. once we somewhat equalize the tech the federation et al are doomed . Also, the navigational deflector would abosrb most new eden weaponry. Since its job is to red-shift incoming light and deflect micrometeoroids, (rendering projectile and laser weaponry useless) the only weapon worthy of main Federation sheilds are antimatter charges. Lasers are completely in-effective againest federation ships (you can even see that in one of the episodes of the next generation). And antimatter charges are not detinated, just used as a very heavy projectile.
Caldari Acolyte	Posted - 2010.10.20 18:52:00 - [46] CCP/Eveonline....Best SpacedBased MMO on the planet. Cryptic/STO......Never had a chance. End of line................
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.10.20 20:15:00 - [47] Tacklers + Neuts/NOS/Web/WD = Dead STO Ship. ...that is all. Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.10.20 20:33:00 - [48] What has the largest battle in canon ST been? Wolf 359? Sacrifice of Angels? Voyager: Endgame? A trekkie fan can surely fill in the actual numbers, but I've never seen more than a couple dozen ships on-screen, maybe a hundred mentioned. EVE fleets consist of hundreds of ships at the least, thousand man deployments are not unheard of. Ship sizes. ST fleets consist mostly of smaller and support ships, with the Galaxy being one of the best ships fielded. Compare that to a Titan or a fleet of supercarriers... yeah. Movement. Warp 9, engage. We will arrive in two weeks. Or, you know, light a cyno and bridge in a fleet from across the universe before you can say "military experts". EWAR. ST has the magical deflector dish, tractor beams, and that's about it. Spaceship repairs are done in spacedock, if one even survives the first few hits that penetrate the shield. EVE has ECM, warp scrambles, webs, tracking and targeting dampeners, and logistics that can fully repair a battleship in seconds, while it continues to rain antimatter death at the enemy. Last, clones. A ST ship goes down, thousands of people die. That's it. Dead. A capsuleer just shrughs, swears a bit at lost implants, hops in a new ship and rejoins the fight with just as much strength he had before being targetted. We. Are. Invincible. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Lu Hsun Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.21 18:01:00 - [49] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Lasers are completely in-effective againest federation ships (you can even see that in one of the episodes of the next generation). And antimatter charges are not detinated, just used as a very heavy projectile. Would like to point out that whatever the Tachyon Beam Laser is, it's definitely not a laser. Laser = Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation Tachyon = Particle going faster then light. Light that goes faster then light, is not light, rather it's a headache waiting to happen. Originally by: Syn Callibri Tacklers + Neuts/NOS/Web/WD = Dead STO Ship. ...that is all. Captain Sisko knows this to be true
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.21 18:19:00 - [50] To those of you going on about ST vs eve techno war babble. In STO the range of all weapons is 10k max. Past 30k they can't even see you. Once engaged in combat you cannot warp off either so we dont even need a warp scram A single Apoc fitted for 180km = the devil himself.

Krathos Morpheus Legion Infernal	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:08:00 - [51] So the more repeated comment I see is that it isn't a fair match, because... eve wins hands down?
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Muul Udonii I love how the guy says Eve PVE is a bit rubbish, Eve PVP is a bit rubbish, but still gives high scores; then says STO PVE is good, and STO PVP is good, then gives it bad scores. Reading the article it sounds like he's given the scores the wrong way round. I played STO for a while (while AFK mining in EvE on my laptop). The problem with STO PvP is getting the Klingons to show up. I thought they had excellent PvP scenarios, really fun, pitting faction against faction and NPC's tossed in for both sides to deal with (in some cases). Trouble was, you could never count on the Klingons showing up. So I rolled a Klink, and guess what, we got our asses kicked due to imbalanced population. It is my personal opinion that STO PvP is a lot more fun than EvE PvP, but it is that same problem of finding opponents and finding really good quality fights. Maybe the population imbalance is better now, IDK, but the STO mechanics of PvP are a pure blast IMO.
Shaalira D'arc	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:36:00 - [53] Klinks? Is that the STO slang for Klingons? That's.... so sad.
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.21 21:02:00 - [54] In a battle between EVE and ST:O, I'd have to say that ST:O would eventually win. The reason, of course, is that when an EVE ship dies, a replacement must be built at some point, then stocked. ST:O ships consume no ammo and are replaced in 30 seconds (max) with all fittings intact. They'd eventually get us, but only after logistics ran out of mats and our guns finally ran out of ammo. (Shut it, you Amarrians ) _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
bone s	Posted - 2010.10.21 21:57:00 - [55] Edited by: bone s on 21/10/2010 22:00:34 cannot top eve online 1* of starship games or wow top elf/orcs mmo STO SOL
Adacia Calla Minmatar Umbrella Research Group	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Helen Hunts In a battle between EVE and ST:O, I'd have to say that ST:O would eventually win. The reason, of course, is that when an EVE ship dies, a replacement must be built at some point, then stocked. ST:O ships consume no ammo and are replaced in 30 seconds (max) with all fittings intact. They'd eventually get us, but only after logistics ran out of mats and our guns finally ran out of ammo. (Shut it, you Amarrians ) I'm 99% sure that in the ST universe, ships take a year or more to produce and crew. We have dozens of production lines of ships coming out of stations daily. And ST (Federation anyway) ships have capacitors for the Phaser banks (Not to mention torpedoes) :x
Banana Disposal	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Urgg Boolean Originally by: Muul Udonii I love how the guy says Eve PVE is a bit rubbish, Eve PVP is a bit rubbish, but still gives high scores; then says STO PVE is good, and STO PVP is good, then gives it bad scores. Reading the article it sounds like he's given the scores the wrong way round. I played STO for a while (while AFK mining in EvE on my laptop). The problem with STO PvP is getting the Klingons to show up. I thought they had excellent PvP scenarios, really fun, pitting faction against faction and NPC's tossed in for both sides to deal with (in some cases). Trouble was, you could never count on the Klingons showing up. So I rolled a Klink, and guess what, we got our asses kicked due to imbalanced population. It is my personal opinion that STO PvP is a lot more fun than EvE PvP, but it is that same problem of finding opponents and finding really good quality fights. Maybe the population imbalance is better now, IDK, but the STO mechanics of PvP are a pure blast IMO. I had quit because EVE kept lying about WIS and had been out for like 2 years. I was one of the first klingons to level 5 and all I did was PVP the whole way. It was really lol staying cloaked and listening to the fed whines. But the fact is if we did uncloak we died because the feds would just stay turtled all the time so we couoldn't pick any of you off. STO sucks balls anyway after you're done with the pvp thing all you have is a map, a bunch of lines and some retarted douchbag sitting there in the station alone.
Matthias Howe	Posted - 2010.10.22 18:24:00 - [58] STO's gameplay reminded me of Zaxxon.
dtyk	Posted - 2010.10.22 18:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Also, the navigational deflector would abosrb most new eden weaponry. Since its job is to red-shift incoming light and deflect micrometeoroids, (rendering projectile and laser weaponry useless) the only weapon worthy of main Federation sheilds are antimatter charges. Step 1: Steal deflector. Step 2: Blob enough to crash the system. Step 3: **** Step 4: Profit
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.10.22 18:55:00 - [60] There are space games other than EVE? Comparing EVE and STO is like comparing fine wine and Kool Aid. And the other space games to be? Very thin vaporware. I'll believe 'em if I see 'em. ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.



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