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Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.01.06 16:18:00 - [121] Originally by: Velsharoon bring back the scope, controversy means its having an effect Exactly, the whining ****es that caused it to be closed down in the first place are right at the top of my sht list.
Skyknight	Posted - 2005.01.06 16:42:00 - [122] Yes. Its those freaking Carebears. I can't stand them. I grumble under my breath as I slowly pick up a miner 2 and take out my aggression on a big Veldspar rock. OMG Its crowded in empire. How can anyone live here? *PLAYERS AGAINST MINING*
slip66	Posted - 2005.01.06 16:44:00 - [123] Originally by: The Slavetrader Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Get a clue, come back when you know what your talking about Just for your information i was there Please highlight the inaccuracies as opposed to simply attempting to brush the facts aside with 'get a clue'. Internal politics do not cause such friction when all is going well do they ?. However they sure become an issue when external pressures are mounting Do you deny that all memorable fleet wins have come with a Shinra or Supremacy leader running things and all major embaressing losses have come whilst a VOTF member was in command ? Do you deny that as a result of this Shinra and Suprem have secretly wanted VOTF out of the alliance for months ? Do you deny the Shinra and Supremacy have become annoyed at the amount of useless corps brought in to bolster numbers and sullying the CA name as have large ex CA pvp corps in the past such as m0o and ATUk ? I saw it in CFS when we/they were constantly attacked last year, personal gripes became more frequent with blame looking to be placed anywhere it could. The same has happened with CA. I would love to be privvy to CA internal forums right now. The public just want to know which CA corps will be allying with whom ? I DO DENY THIS. Ive faught under VOTF command, under M corp, RUS and black reign. They all had competent fleet commanders in major engagements. Id fight under thier commands anytime aswell as a shinra or suprm fleet. our forums are pretty quite atm with most people just talking to each other on TS :P
Kibachaan	Posted - 2005.01.06 16:47:00 - [124] Quote: you are pathetic, if you really think XF had a true hand in the down fall of CA. Well, CA failed. They failed with XF like they failed in many things. If you read the post you would have seen that I used it as an example to show how I think frustration came to leak internally. Please don't insult me personally. That's just being rude. If you disagree, say so, and say why. The statement "You're wrong so you are pathetic" is meaningless.
slip66	Posted - 2005.01.06 16:53:00 - [125] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 06/01/2005 16:04:57 Aneu dont bring supremacy into this. We like VOTF and we like Shinra. We'll fly with either. We dont want to get involved really. Too many friends on either side. im in the same boat there capt'in.
Maclee	Posted - 2005.01.06 16:58:00 - [126] Quote: Curse Alliance Charter Effective: July 31, 2004 The boarders of the Curse alliance and its protectorates are closed to all non CA corporations; all infringing entities will be terminated with extreme prejudice. Said borders consist of: Curse Great Wildlands Detorid Wicked Creek Insmother Scalding Pass Cache All policies of the Curse alliance are dictated by a democratic body consisting of two representatives pulled from each member corporation. Any new policies not stated in this document will be voted on, and only passed by a majority. By vote of council: It was decided that; if you have more then two members from your corporation in council during the meeting; the violators will loose representation and voting rights for 1 week. All war declarations and diplomatic negotiations will be brought before the Curse Alliance council. Appropriate actions will be voted upon by a majority. All members of the Curse Alliance shall treat any other member with due respect. Combat between members is forbidden and any grievance shall be brought before the Council for a decision.. When a new corporation is voted in, it needs to be determined, if they are going to be a ôfull memberö corporation with full voting rights- or a ôsisterö or ôsplinterö corporation with no voting rights and no seat on council . Determination will be; on a case by case bases by council with a majority vote. New members applying for entry into the Curse Alliance must first be sponsored by a Curse Alliance member corporation with at least two months tenure. Once- the applying corporation is brought to the council by the sponsoring corp. A vote will be held and the applying corp. will only be brought into the alliance by majority vote. The sponsoring corporation will be held responsible for overseeing the trial corporationÆs adaptation to the Curse Alliance. Upon entry into the CA, all new corporations will be on probation for a period of no less then 4 weeks. During this time said corporation will hold no voting rights. However all CA controlled space will be open for travel, mining, NPC hunting, and military actions. After a period of three months a review of the activities and performance of all entering corporations will be conducted to ensure that said corporation meets CA standards. Further restrictions may apply upon review. Entering corporations will provide a standard of 50% of its membership for training in CA combat procedures and tactics. Experienced pvp'ers will volunteer their time and effort in training new recruits in good faith. Sponsoring corporations will be responsible for ensuring the trial corporation is capable of defending itself and the Curse Alliance by the end of the 4 week period. All Curse Alliance members will be responsible for protecting Curse space against any and all threats. All members are required to be on the official Curse Alliance teamspeak server and obey all rules set out by council. *A military amendment is forthcoming Just thought I would post the so talked about CA charter for you all to see. Side note: Bold part is this only part that has to do with VOTF leaving (Anue situation)
slip66	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:03:00 - [127] Edited by: slip66 on 06/01/2005 17:04:07 Originally by: Kibachaan Quote: you are pathetic, if you really think XF had a true hand in the down fall of CA. Well, CA failed. They failed with XF like they failed in many things. If you read the post you would have seen that I used it as an example to show how I think frustration came to leak internally. Please don't insult me personally. That's just being rude. If you disagree, say so, and say why. The statement "You're wrong so you are pathetic" is meaningless. I disagree, You make it seem as though your group was the decideding factor in CA's down fall. I say it was not. We stood up to everyone and no force brought us down. We brought ourselves down. When OC said the would own xetic and the ca corps went down there the 1st time, we did. For all intents and purposes xif was dead. There was small group left who logged when any blip on the map moved thier way the rest went to empire. There was no one when we were around and we left out of the bordem of it. What would have happened had people not been impatient? I guess that is my point. As for the personal insult noted and Ill retract it.
Captain America	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:05:00 - [128] Originally by: HavokTBP Can I get my items in HLW back finally? I remember in one of your post you were swearing that this is it you quit playing EVE and everyone is this and that , and now I see your posts again. Manàyou really ****ed off the whole eve all 50.000 people!
S3VYN	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:15:00 - [129] You guys are getting pretty nasty with each other... At least when the CFS died they had an agreed upon "bad guy" to point at and say "They are the ones who did it! They killed our pets and ate our children!" Things have certainly gotten more interesting since Exodus to those who find the social and political aspects of EVE intriguing. Well done CCP, you've definitely created a new aspect to the game that didn't exist before, you lived up to your promo video promises. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Kibachaan	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:24:00 - [130] Quote: I disagree, You make it seem as though your group was the decideding factor in CA's down fall. I say it was not. We stood up to everyone and no force brought us down. We brought ourselves down. When OC said the would own xetic and the ca corps went down there the 1st time, we did. For all intents and purposes xif was dead. There was small group left who logged when any blip on the map moved thier way the rest went to empire. There was no one when we were around and we left out of the bordem of it. It was just an example I thought of. Of course I don't know for sure because I'm not in CA. As for XIF being dead, that's impossible. I died I think twice at that time, but I've got a lot of ISK and my characters remained perfectly fine, as for most the XIF members I know. Sure, we didn't want to lose Immensea, and we still have it. The patience game is just another way of getting it, if indeed that's why OC withdrew. Admitteldly, R.U.S.H actually managed to take ALL the stations in Immensea while OC actually made the more devastating attack only focusing on one in particular. Ultimately, both corps declared that they wanted the region for keeps but did not keep it. Out of boredom or whatever. After all, XIF has taken CA regions of stations, but we do not declare it "our" space. Waaay off my original intended topic anyway. I think that if CA had taken regions, removed enemies, expanded and conquored more, the member corps would have more to do, would have felt better and possibly got along better. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy CA is suffering, they are our enemies.
kessah	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:44:00 - [131] Originally by: OVERCOPES 1 Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 06/01/2005 11:25:51 Originally by: kessah Edited by: kessah on 06/01/2005 08:54:14 LEMMIE HEAR YOUR WAR CRIES!!!!!!! WRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH had too much coffee 6 hours sleep in the last 3days and been playing eve for nearly 30 hours for the last 3 days sorry if my enthuasiasm scares you and this is coming from a corperation that as far as i can tell never joined th C.A on a offical basis. good job black lotus. edit typos. excuse me mate but so what, my corp does what it wants im completly independant and fly with the banner of CA. ive been defending GW for months now not leaving past b-vip ive lost much since protecting this area and i dont care becus i enjoy the company of the people up here. So before u define one person action by what there corp does think twice b4 u dare decide to post a flame about me. GW is small but it has alot to offer the remaining corps there are 99% pvp do not unestimate us -------------------------------------------------------- "I wana get down on my knee's and start pleasin' Jesus, i wana feel his salvation all over my face." - Eric Cartman, South Park*
slip66	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:46:00 - [132] Edited by: slip66 on 06/01/2005 17:46:55 Originally by: Kibachaan Waaay off my original intended topic anyway. I think that if CA had taken regions, removed enemies, expanded and conquored more, the member corps would have more to do, would have felt better and possibly got along better. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy CA is suffering, they are our enemies. I think taking on any more space would have been worse. Being as big as we were created "groups" and you fought for the area you lived in the most. It made it to way to easy for small groups to operate in CA space ( i know this becuase we killed many before we joined CA doing the same thing). Your foes just log off or your too far away to do a damn thing in any time. You also didnt see everyone all the time, which can lead to people asking "where is so and so's corp I never see them." There are also corps that just sponge off the ore in far out areas. I dont recommend this for any allience. JQA has the right idea IMO. Your right though back on topic... CA are the ebil, die die die a horrible death :)
WTFOVER	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:48:00 - [133] Welcome to EVE.....First, I know of people in CA and I know for a fact CCP has stepped in ... 1.) CA will exist untill all corps associated with its name leaves Curse. 1a.) UAI is not Leaving... Curse Alliance Remains... Period 2.)No One person or even group of people can disband a Alliance Tag... It takes all Corps to leave the area where the alliance has Claimed (see 1a) 3.) Any Corp can Come and go as it pleases... So, if some reason comes up...and a Corp finds itself in a pickle they can leave CA...but can come back at anytime assuming the CA head honcho lets them..... (this a ALT Acc. to protect the innocent..No my main doesn't belong to any alliance...but I have friends in all aliances)
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2005.01.06 17:49:00 - [134] I knew of the breakup long before it showed up on the forums. The thing that I saw was the carebear corps moaned and *****ed when one of their BS's or mining ops were shot down or disrupted while CA's pvp fleets were drenched in blood protecting these very whining babies that showed no participation nor respect for the very people that died and protected them. I've killed a ton of hostiles, but I also lost quite a few ships as well in the defense of curse. One time I lost a bs, and 5 seconds later this guy chews me for not killing the NPC's at the gate so his HAULER could get through. If I wasn't in a pod, I would have wasted the asshat right then and there. VOTF got sick of it, and then was shown disrespect to the point where Curse was no longer who she was any longer. CA died a long time ago, not recently, if you ask me. The spirit of Curse LIVES ON and is eternal however. ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
kessah	Posted - 2005.01.06 18:00:00 - [135] Originally by: WTFOVER Welcome to EVE.....First, I know of people in CA and I know for a fact CCP has stepped in ... 1.) CA will exist untill all corps associated with its name leaves Curse. 1a.) UAI is not Leaving... Curse Alliance Remains... Period 2.)No One person or even group of people can disband a Alliance Tag... It takes all Corps to leave the area where the alliance has Claimed (see 1a) 3.) Any Corp can Come and go as it pleases... So, if some reason comes up...and a Corp finds itself in a pickle they can leave CA...but can come back at anytime assuming the CA head honcho lets them..... (this a ALT Acc. to protect the innocent..No my main doesn't belong to any alliance...but I have friends in all aliances) Totally agree, is the big guns wana leave cus there ceo's say jump that there problem, who did what when and how doesnt really matter now there gone owell time to start new. CA's remaining forces is still pretty vast, and the forces we had were defending the southern regions. we in the northern part are just as battle hardend and ready DO NOT think just becus self apointed leaders of Curse who were on power trips think that they can simply shut down an alliance - We shall hold are little region and in time we will build up and give Stain and Xetic a good fight before they get bored and start shooting each other -------------------------------------------------------- "I wana get down on my knee's and start pleasin' Jesus, i wana feel his salvation all over my face." - Eric Cartman, South Park
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2005.01.06 18:25:00 - [136] Originally by: Shamen Originally by: Reverend Necrona Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 06/01/2005 16:04:57 Aneu dont bring supremacy into this. We like VOTF and we like Shinra. We'll fly with either. We dont want to get involved really. Too many friends on either side. I never once brought Suprm into this... You did Aneu: "Members base left yes, but your allies who you claim to have been 'protecting' within the alliance dont stand at your side anymore Chow..." __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.01.06 18:36:00 - [137] Please keep it friendly I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Skelator	Posted - 2005.01.06 19:21:00 - [138] Originally by: kessah Originally by: WTFOVER Welcome to EVE.....First, I know of people in CA and I know for a fact CCP has stepped in ... 1.) CA will exist untill all corps associated with its name leaves Curse. 1a.) UAI is not Leaving... Curse Alliance Remains... Period 2.)No One person or even group of people can disband a Alliance Tag... It takes all Corps to leave the area where the alliance has Claimed (see 1a) 3.) Any Corp can Come and go as it pleases... So, if some reason comes up...and a Corp finds itself in a pickle they can leave CA...but can come back at anytime assuming the CA head honcho lets them..... (this a ALT Acc. to protect the innocent..No my main doesn't belong to any alliance...but I have friends in all aliances) Totally agree, is the big guns wana leave cus there ceo's say jump that there problem, who did what when and how doesnt really matter now there gone owell time to start new. CA's remaining forces is still pretty vast, and the forces we had were defending the southern regions. we in the northern part are just as battle hardend and ready DO NOT think just becus self apointed leaders of Curse who were on power trips think that they can simply shut down an alliance - We shall hold are little region and in time we will build up and give Stain and Xetic a good fight before they get bored and start shooting each other I agree with you 100% although we lost a Battleship to 2 unknow pilots flying CA tags near HLW and another incident......... Tank CEO our CA Warrior of goodness has turncoated and is now attacking All Ca corps but a Select few..(See Shinra and council his true colors are now shown) He attacked and destroyed one of our Pilots who was Still Loyally defending the jump into HLW. This nonsense needs to stop. They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
C4w3	Posted - 2005.01.06 20:00:00 - [139] Little do ppl know "If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one.
Bigfoot Hunter	Posted - 2005.01.06 20:24:00 - [140] Wowza its hard to believe CA has fallen apart like this. My youth pretty much revolved around CA. When i was a whipersnapper in OC i got some of my first real combat experience against them (my technical first combat was with Xtinction and m3g4). I rember I went with a few sa guys once and blew up a indy in CA space with em bfore the two aliances where 100% at war and got declared a pirate on the forums the next day . Some of my fondest memories of eve come from this time when me and my OC buds would do daring small raids against CA. Hell me and Enef sometimes chased mining ops solo to no effect. Then the Civil war in stain broke out we had alot of fun and eventualy found a new home in CA amongst those we once called our enemies. More combat came in our new home this time against those who used to be our allies. But my oldest friends had left and I was getting burnt out on constant pvp. Being on call for a fleet staring contest whenever you log on for hours on hours is no fun. This coupled with the occasional friction between me and the Duke eventualy burnt me out leading me to leave OC and start a short lived RP carrer. So for me seeing the CA die is sort of like watching a childhood home you grew up in get bull dozed. The end of CA always looked like it would end from internal conflict. Even when I left so long ago I rember the great friction of the pvpers and miners duke always said there was too much fat that needed to be cut off. At the end of the day good bye CA you where the group everyone loved to hate, good luck to you in the many paths your shattered state will now take. -------------------------------------- Fortis cadere, cedere non potest
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.06 20:34:00 - [141] I flew past an SE/Xetic fleet today, they didn't shoot me. Can't say it i wasnt sweating tho as i did it :). Reverend Necrona
LuckyStrike	Posted - 2005.01.06 22:37:00 - [142] Edited by: LuckyStrike on 07/01/2005 12:47:14 hmm
Shamen	Posted - 2005.01.06 23:12:00 - [143] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Originally by: Shamen Originally by: Reverend Necrona Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 06/01/2005 16:04:57 Aneu dont bring supremacy into this. We like VOTF and we like Shinra. We'll fly with either. We dont want to get involved really. Too many friends on either side. I never once brought Suprm into this... You did Aneu: "Members base left yes, but your allies who you claim to have been 'protecting' within the alliance dont stand at your side anymore Chow..." Thats picking... i dont see me mention 'supremacy' in here... _______________________ Vengeance Of The Fallen Shamen - Captain & Forum warrior
JBX Kyan	Posted - 2005.01.06 23:43:00 - [144] i am not a friend of curse but there enemy after they attacked us for no reason but i just want to wish all current curse corps good luck and all ex curse corps good luck in future cu in space JBX Kyan FireStar Inc CEO
Kretta Daisul	Posted - 2005.01.07 00:57:00 - [145] My biggest problem with the breakup is large chunks of CA have broken free to roam around a bit, causing a more efficient travelling chaos zone. Well, they did a fair bit of that before, but at least we knew which direction their home was. Woe be to whomever becomes their new next door neighbors, then again those neighbors won't have to fly very far to PvP anymore. "An Eye for an Eye ... is necessary when dealing with cybernetics, unless you want to look like a borged out freak." - Kretta Daisul
HeadHunta II	Posted - 2005.01.07 01:02:00 - [146] Edited by: HeadHunta II on 07/01/2005 01:03:41 Wtf...who should i fight now??! Nah really, sad to see that so much corps left CA, especially pvp corps. I liked fighting u guys. And its a bit strange to sit at the same gate and there are no missles flying arround, lol. Anyway, i was reading this topic and again i spotted these "Hey, i told ya before that would happen!" and these "We managed it to force CA to give up!". Bah! I am waiting for the "Its an evil plan, they split up, they join other alliances to take over the whole eve universe!" post. /me thinks about it. Hmmmmmm..... hmmmmmm.... NAH! "Get in where u fit in!" "-V- Minister of foreign affairs" "CEO Ascendancy-Inc."
Jascal	Posted - 2005.01.07 01:56:00 - [147] Edited by: Jascal on 07/01/2005 02:01:41 Quote: Main Entry: footÀball 1 : any of several games played between two teams on a rectangular field having two goalposts at each end and whose object is to get the ball over a goal line or between goalposts by running, passing, or kicking: as a) British : SOCCER b) British : RUGBY c) : an American game played between two teams of 11 players each in which the ball is in possession of one side at a time and is advanced by running or passing d) Australian : AUSTRALIAN RULES FOOTBALL e) Canadian : CANADIAN FOOTBALL (Psst, that is THE real reason for everything...differences in terms for football/soccer/Futbol, etc.)
Douro	Posted - 2005.01.07 02:03:00 - [148] Whatever is going on, I fought against CA with Xetic for a few months and it was the most fun I've had in Eve. It was fun, I didn't think Xetic would defeat CA (and of course they haven't), I thought Xetic would tear itself apart from inside. It's a shame for that to happen to any corp/alliance/group. Slainte Curse Alliance.
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.01.07 02:52:00 - [149] get to mining veld ffs? i need 4m trit for my geddon. ----- ----- -----
Kibachaan	Posted - 2005.01.07 03:06:00 - [150] Quote: I flew past an SE/Xetic fleet today, they didn't shoot me. Can't say it i wasnt sweating tho as i did it :). I didn't realise that OC had left CA? Or is it that we just don't know who we should be shooting? It would help if CA make it clear where they currently stand with XF, SE and other involved parties. Also, same goes for the departing corps.

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