Originally by: TheFatman

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CCP needs to let the the CA and ex-CA go at it in an all out, no hold barred, flamefest.

And charge a extra for people to view the thread.

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Originally by: TheFatman

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CCP needs to let the the CA and ex-CA go at it in an all out, no hold barred, flamefest.

And charge a extra for people to view the thread.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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No, I think there has been enough problems for one day.

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Originally by: Kirex

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ummmm can someone plz explain what happened? dont feel like reading all the locked threads =/

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Originally by: Kibachaan

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YAY YAY YAY!

Can I mine in peace now? Pleeeeeaaaaasssseee???

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Originally by: HC MasiEEE

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Sigh not one usefull reply yet.

Not even from me

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Originally by: HC MasiEEE

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Sigh not one usefull reply yet.

Not even from me

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Its over, no more politics, no more ingame lag, just mayhem

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Originally by: HC MasiEEE

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Originally by: HC MasiEEE

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Sigh not one usefull reply yet.

Not even from me

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Its over, no more politics, no more ingame lag, just mayhem

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Dude it would be so cool if we could mine together in Yulai. I WILL HAUL TOO !!!

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Originally by: HC MasiEEE

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Originally by: HC MasiEEE

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Sigh not one usefull reply yet.

Not even from me

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Its over, no more politics, no more ingame lag, just mayhem

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Dude it would be so cool if we could mine together in Yulai. I WILL HAUL TOO !!!

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Maybe we allready have, you never know whos account your mining neigbour is

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Originally by: D'argo

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The day after we moved out we were mining veldspar up in Pator/Yulai, LOL

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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haha LD, as much as you would like to think, Shinra leaving wasnt the cause of CA falling apart.

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Originally by: D'argo

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The day after we moved out we were mining veldspar up in Pator/Yulai, LOL

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Seems to be a tradition that if you leave an alliance you go mine veld in Yulai for a day.

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Originally by: Phonix

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I Make claim to Great Wildlands for the "Phonix Alliance"

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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haha LD, as much as you would like to think, Shinra leaving wasnt the cause of CA falling apart.

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Originally by: Phonix

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I Make claim to Great Wildlands for the "Phonix Alliance"

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Originally by: Phonix

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I Make claim to Great Wildlands for the "Phonix Alliance"

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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haha LD, as much as you would like to think, Shinra leaving wasnt the cause of CA falling apart.

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Originally by: Cabal Leader

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Originally by: Phonix

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I Make claim to Great Wildlands for the "Phonix Alliance"

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The Russians will WTFPWN you if you try..
Rus, Pioneers, Rush, etc-Russian are the real Masters of the Wildlands.. and the old Ca corps who died defending it.

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Originally by: lollerkins

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without ca i have no purpose in life :(

/me sobs

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Originally by: Xelios

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I need someone to host an 11 meg video I made concerning this, contact me ingame if you can help please.

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Originally by: kessah

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Edited by: kessah on 06/01/2005 08:54:14
LEMMIE HEAR YOUR WAR CRIES!!!!!!! WRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


*had too much coffee 6 hours sleep in the last 3days and been playing eve for nearly 30 hours for the last 3 days sorry if my enthuasiasm scares you *

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Originally by: Ramuh

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I hate CA as much of the next guy, but you have to wonder aobu the balance of power. They were the bad guys you love to hate, but there are others out there that are 10x worse and totally up for just runing your game completly.

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Originally by: Pride NL

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Next to collapse is Stain. No opponents to fight, pvpers get bored and go attack themselves. And if Stain collapses, then Xetic collapses as well, as Stain Jr ;)

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Originally by: Phonix

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Originally by: Cabal Leader

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Originally by: Phonix

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I Make claim to Great Wildlands for the "Phonix Alliance"

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The Russians will WTFPWN you if you try..
Rus, Pioneers, Rush, etc-Russian are the real Masters of the Wildlands.. and the old Ca corps who died defending it.

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Yep the real strip miner's union. I still am making claim to GWL

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Wrangler - given the massive interest that is generated in ALL alliance politics, don't you think it would be worthwhile poking the dev's / whoever runs the in-game news service in to actually, you know, reporting on it? They started off with PA, the alliances are rising and falling faster than CCP can report on them and that, imo, is costing the players an awful lot of the interest that eve generates.

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Originally by: kessah

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Edited by: kessah on 06/01/2005 08:56:51
I and my GW breatheren shall never let GW fall into the hands of our enemies or have single corp's and ceo's become so powerful in eve they dictate are path. It shall be the Fighters of are great region that shall hold the future of our success!!

FOR GW!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Rebellion

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I'm just wondering at this point if they would have stuck together had we actually attacked them.

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Originally by: DarK

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Edited by: DarK on 06/01/2005 10:14:35
Divide CA space and form 3 orso alliances from it, would be interesting:)

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Wrangler - given the massive interest that is generated in ALL alliance politics, don't you think it would be worthwhile poking the dev's / whoever runs the in-game news service in to actually, you know, reporting on it? They started off with PA, the alliances are rising and falling faster than CCP can report on them and that, imo, is costing the players an awful lot of the interest that eve generates.

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Originally by: DarK

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Edited by: DarK on 06/01/2005 10:14:35
Divide CA space and form 3 orso alliances from it, would be interesting:)

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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basically foyle got an ego thinking everyone loved her blah blah blah, she rips the alliance apart blames it on Xirt while getting rich from taking the minerals form the mineral fund.

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Edited by: The Slavetrader on 06/01/2005 10:33:27

Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Please dont have illusion of grandeur, Shinra never created CA and neither did VOTF.

VOTF were there at start yes, but with about 5 members and slowly recruited most of the idiots none of the other corps wanted anymore.

Also CA disbanded because only Chowdown or Tholarim could lead a fleet. When they commanded you did well, when they were not in gang you got annihilated by SE/ATUK/Xetic/Evol [insert another enemy you made here].
(RUS excluded from this rant as they are smart and good enough to do their own thing)


Blaming Foyle is funny and a nice way to save face from the fact you can no longer hope to fight the losing battle and want to lose with some dignity.

Shinra and Supremacy will no doubt create something together which will be interesting and hopefully will exclude the children of VOTF and the hundred other little nub corps which joined CA and thought once they had CA in their tags that they were somehow good.

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Originally by: Arthur Guinness

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SA's next target is the amarr empire.

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Originally by: Psychopat

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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basically foyle got an ego thinking everyone loved her blah blah blah, she rips the alliance apart blames it on Xirt while getting rich from taking the minerals form the mineral fund.

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Really? Then she must be the most powerfull person in EVE destroying CA single handed. Also, I seam to remember some CEO posts a thread about planning the death of CA for 6 months.

Contradictions in your post wouldnt you say?


Destroying the whole alliance just to get back to power is.....well I got no words for it.

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Originally by: kessah

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Edited by: kessah on 06/01/2005 08:54:14
LEMMIE HEAR YOUR WAR CRIES!!!!!!! WRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


*had too much coffee 6 hours sleep in the last 3days and been playing eve for nearly 30 hours for the last 3 days sorry if my enthuasiasm scares you *

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Originally by: Arthur Guinness

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SA's next target is the amarr empire.

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Originally by: Phonix

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I Make claim to Great Wildlands for the "Phonix Alliance"

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Quote:

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the 'ebil XETIC fed' under the lead of the pink-pantie pirate-princess Nafri

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Quote:

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copy this chatlog
immensea will belong to OC

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Get a clue, come back when you know what your talking about

Just for your information i was there

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Originally by: Psychopat

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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basically foyle got an ego thinking everyone loved her blah blah blah, she rips the alliance apart blames it on Xirt while getting rich from taking the minerals form the mineral fund.

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Really? Then she must be the most powerfull person in EVE destroying CA single handed. Also, I seam to remember some CEO posts a thread about planning the death of CA for 6 months.

Contradictions in your post wouldnt you say?


Destroying the whole alliance just to get back to power is.....well I got no words for it.

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Psychopat, VOTF, didnt destroy CA, we left, when the councill, dictated how to run our corporation......It seemed alot of other corps was thinking the same as us.

You made this happen for yourself, now live with it

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Get a clue, come back when you know what your talking about

Just for your information i was there

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Please highlight the inaccuracies as opposed to simply attempting to brush the facts aside with 'get a clue'.

Internal politics do not cause such friction when all is going well do they ?. However they sure become an issue when external pressures are mounting

Do you deny that all memorable fleet wins have come with a Shinra or Supremacy leader running things and all major embaressing losses have come whilst a VOTF member was in command ?

Do you deny that as a result of this Shinra and Suprem have secretly wanted VOTF out of the alliance for months ?

Do you deny the Shinra and Supremacy have become annoyed at the amount of useless corps brought in to bolster numbers and sullying the CA name as have large ex CA pvp corps in the past such as m0o and ATUk ?

I saw it in CFS when we/they were constantly attacked last year, personal gripes became more frequent with blame looking to be placed anywhere it could. The same has happened with CA. I would love to be privvy to CA internal forums right now.

The public just want to know which CA corps will be allying with whom ?

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Wrangler - given the massive interest that is generated in ALL alliance politics, don't you think it would be worthwhile poking the dev's / whoever runs the in-game news service in to actually, you know, reporting on it? They started off with PA, the alliances are rising and falling faster than CCP can report on them and that, imo, is costing the players an awful lot of the interest that eve generates.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.

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Originally by: Jazz Bo

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It was all our doing.

Foyle is the evil step-sister of Celestial Voice. We took control of her at a family reunion using my Mind Control DeviceÖ (patent pending), and then used her to destroy the Curse Alliance from within.

All of the Isk Foyle managed to stash away went straight into our wallets... we will use it to wage war on the evil scum of the universe forever and ever.

Muahahahaaa.

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Originally by: Nebulai

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Wrangler - given the massive interest that is generated in ALL alliance politics, don't you think it would be worthwhile poking the dev's / whoever runs the in-game news service in to actually, you know, reporting on it? They started off with PA, the alliances are rising and falling faster than CCP can report on them and that, imo, is costing the players an awful lot of the interest that eve generates.

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The problem with reporting on such topics is always the killer - Information. From a news perspective, obtaining information and then validating afore mentioned information can always be tricky (and sometimes slow process if not given a heads up).

In future if theres anything you think is news page worthy, or want to talk to one of the IC's you can use [email protected] to get in contact with them.

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Originally by: Kibachaan

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The people who don't want that crap left. The people who thrive on that crap are now weak. New found respect for Xirtam in standing up for his mate, that's the stuff REAL alliances are made of.

Quote:

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I think you must have had a spy .... BULLSEYE

Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Edited by: The Slavetrader on 06/01/2005 10:33:27

Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Please dont have illusion of grandeur, Shinra never created CA and neither did VOTF.

VOTF were there at start yes, but with about 5 members and slowly recruited most of the idiots none of the other corps wanted anymore.

Also CA disbanded because only Chowdown or Tholarim could lead a fleet. When they commanded you did well, when they were not in gang you got annihilated by SE/ATUK/Xetic/Evol [insert another enemy you made here].
(RUS excluded from this rant as they are smart and good enough to do their own thing)


Blaming Foyle is funny and a nice way to save face from the fact you can no longer hope to fight the losing battle and want to lose with some dignity.

Shinra and Supremacy will no doubt create something together which will be interesting and hopefully will exclude the children of VOTF and the hundred other little nub corps which joined CA and thought once they had CA in their tags that they were somehow good.

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Get a clue, come back when you know what your talking about

Just for your information i was there

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Please highlight the inaccuracies as opposed to simply attempting to brush the facts aside with 'get a clue'.

Internal politics do not cause such friction when all is going well do they ?. However they sure become an issue when external pressures are mounting

Do you deny that all memorable fleet wins have come with a Shinra or Supremacy leader running things and all major embaressing losses have come whilst a VOTF member was in command ?

Do you deny that as a result of this Shinra and Suprem have secretly wanted VOTF out of the alliance for months ?

Do you deny the Shinra and Supremacy have become annoyed at the amount of useless corps brought in to bolster numbers and sullying the CA name as have large ex CA pvp corps in the past such as m0o and ATUk ?

I saw it in CFS when we/they were constantly attacked last year, personal gripes became more frequent with blame looking to be placed anywhere it could. The same has happened with CA. I would love to be privvy to CA internal forums right now.

The public just want to know which CA corps will be allying with whom ?

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Originally by: Lallante

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Edited by: The Slavetrader on 06/01/2005 10:33:27

Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Please dont have illusion of grandeur, Shinra never created CA and neither did VOTF.

VOTF were there at start yes, but with about 5 members and slowly recruited most of the idiots none of the other corps wanted anymore.

Also CA disbanded because only Chowdown or Tholarim could lead a fleet. When they commanded you did well, when they were not in gang you got annihilated by SE/ATUK/Xetic/Evol [insert another enemy you made here].
(RUS excluded from this rant as they are smart and good enough to do their own thing)


Blaming Foyle is funny and a nice way to save face from the fact you can no longer hope to fight the losing battle and want to lose with some dignity.

Shinra and Supremacy will no doubt create something together which will be interesting and hopefully will exclude the children of VOTF and the hundred other little nub corps which joined CA and thought once they had CA in their tags that they were somehow good.

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You my friend, have got it spot on, dead to rights Correct. This is EXACTLY why we left, and EXACTLY why the course of events went the way it did. There will be a TS recording released soon that will perfectly explain VOTFs position, until then Im going to resist further replying to their flames on our leaving thread, here and more or less everywhere else. The rest of the alliance had been calling them the Kids of Curse for months, there is no need for more than that.

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Originally by: Lallante

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Edited by: The Slavetrader on 06/01/2005 10:33:27

Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Please dont have illusion of grandeur, Shinra never created CA and neither did VOTF.

VOTF were there at start yes, but with about 5 members and slowly recruited most of the idiots none of the other corps wanted anymore.

Also CA disbanded because only Chowdown or Tholarim could lead a fleet. When they commanded you did well, when they were not in gang you got annihilated by SE/ATUK/Xetic/Evol [insert another enemy you made here].
(RUS excluded from this rant as they are smart and good enough to do their own thing)


Blaming Foyle is funny and a nice way to save face from the fact you can no longer hope to fight the losing battle and want to lose with some dignity.

Shinra and Supremacy will no doubt create something together which will be interesting and hopefully will exclude the children of VOTF and the hundred other little nub corps which joined CA and thought once they had CA in their tags that they were somehow good.

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You my friend, have got it spot on, dead to rights Correct. This is EXACTLY why we left, and EXACTLY why the course of events went the way it did. There will be a TS recording released soon that will perfectly explain VOTFs position, until then Im going to resist further replying to their flames on our leaving thread, here and more or less everywhere else. The rest of the alliance had been calling them the Kids of Curse for months, there is no need for more than that.

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Originally by: Shamen

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Originally by: Lallante

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Edited by: The Slavetrader on 06/01/2005 10:33:27

Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Please dont have illusion of grandeur, Shinra never created CA and neither did VOTF.

VOTF were there at start yes, but with about 5 members and slowly recruited most of the idiots none of the other corps wanted anymore.

Also CA disbanded because only Chowdown or Tholarim could lead a fleet. When they commanded you did well, when they were not in gang you got annihilated by SE/ATUK/Xetic/Evol [insert another enemy you made here].
(RUS excluded from this rant as they are smart and good enough to do their own thing)


Blaming Foyle is funny and a nice way to save face from the fact you can no longer hope to fight the losing battle and want to lose with some dignity.

Shinra and Supremacy will no doubt create something together which will be interesting and hopefully will exclude the children of VOTF and the hundred other little nub corps which joined CA and thought once they had CA in their tags that they were somehow good.

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You my friend, have got it spot on, dead to rights Correct. This is EXACTLY why we left, and EXACTLY why the course of events went the way it did. There will be a TS recording released soon that will perfectly explain VOTFs position, until then Im going to resist further replying to their flames on our leaving thread, here and more or less everywhere else. The rest of the alliance had been calling them the Kids of Curse for months, there is no need for more than that.

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Your so up on yourself that you are the good ones, your the victims in all of this... yet who left with Shinra? Who left at your side?

I hear no one lallante... NO ONE! Who left with VOTF? Ill think you'l find alot more than you.

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Originally by: Shamen

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Originally by: Lallante

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Edited by: The Slavetrader on 06/01/2005 10:33:27

Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Please dont have illusion of grandeur, Shinra never created CA and neither did VOTF.

VOTF were there at start yes, but with about 5 members and slowly recruited most of the idiots none of the other corps wanted anymore.

Also CA disbanded because only Chowdown or Tholarim could lead a fleet. When they commanded you did well, when they were not in gang you got annihilated by SE/ATUK/Xetic/Evol [insert another enemy you made here].
(RUS excluded from this rant as they are smart and good enough to do their own thing)


Blaming Foyle is funny and a nice way to save face from the fact you can no longer hope to fight the losing battle and want to lose with some dignity.

Shinra and Supremacy will no doubt create something together which will be interesting and hopefully will exclude the children of VOTF and the hundred other little nub corps which joined CA and thought once they had CA in their tags that they were somehow good.

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You my friend, have got it spot on, dead to rights Correct. This is EXACTLY why we left, and EXACTLY why the course of events went the way it did. There will be a TS recording released soon that will perfectly explain VOTFs position, until then Im going to resist further replying to their flames on our leaving thread, here and more or less everywhere else. The rest of the alliance had been calling them the Kids of Curse for months, there is no need for more than that.

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Your so up on yourself that you are the good ones, your the victims in all of this... yet who left with Shinra? Who left at your side?

I hear no one lallante... NO ONE! Who left with VOTF? Ill think you'l find alot more than you.

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Who did we invite? We don't need to ride around on peoples coat tails aneu. We have a member base left.

Whats your problem did you want to be the only marter.

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Originally by: Lallante

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Lol Aneu.. You have NO idea.

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Originally by: Shamen

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Originally by: Lallante

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Edited by: The Slavetrader on 06/01/2005 10:33:27

Originally by: Lord Draco

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Shinra left the CA as of DT. This sparked a lot od other happenings. I wish the best of luck to all the CA guys both past and present. We created and had a great alliance that may never be comparable in Eve. At the end of the day, Shinra had to go our own way so we could all rekindle our love of eve.


I'll be mining Veldspar in Yulai later tonight if anyone is interested.

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Please dont have illusion of grandeur, Shinra never created CA and neither did VOTF.

VOTF were there at start yes, but with about 5 members and slowly recruited most of the idiots none of the other corps wanted anymore.

Also CA disbanded because only Chowdown or Tholarim could lead a fleet. When they commanded you did well, when they were not in gang you got annihilated by SE/ATUK/Xetic/Evol [insert another enemy you made here].
(RUS excluded from this rant as they are smart and good enough to do their own thing)


Blaming Foyle is funny and a nice way to save face from the fact you can no longer hope to fight the losing battle and want to lose with some dignity.

Shinra and Supremacy will no doubt create something together which will be interesting and hopefully will exclude the children of VOTF and the hundred other little nub corps which joined CA and thought once they had CA in their tags that they were somehow good.

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You my friend, have got it spot on, dead to rights Correct. This is EXACTLY why we left, and EXACTLY why the course of events went the way it did. There will be a TS recording released soon that will perfectly explain VOTFs position, until then Im going to resist further replying to their flames on our leaving thread, here and more or less everywhere else. The rest of the alliance had been calling them the Kids of Curse for months, there is no need for more than that.

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Your so up on yourself that you are the good ones, your the victims in all of this... yet who left with Shinra? Who left at your side?

I hear no one lallante... NO ONE! Who left with VOTF? Ill think you'l find alot more than you.

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Who did we invite? We don't need to ride around on peoples coat tails aneu. We have a member base left.

Whats your problem did you want to be the only marter.

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Originally by: Lallante

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Aneu, why not take out all your pent up frustration and attack us? You guys have so much hate for us for no real reason except that our corp is thriving, why not do something about it.

I think we both know where the chips would fall...

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Originally by: Nebulai

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Wrangler - given the massive interest that is generated in ALL alliance politics, don't you think it would be worthwhile poking the dev's / whoever runs the in-game news service in to actually, you know, reporting on it? They started off with PA, the alliances are rising and falling faster than CCP can report on them and that, imo, is costing the players an awful lot of the interest that eve generates.

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The problem with reporting on such topics is always the killer - Information. From a news perspective, obtaining information and then validating afore mentioned information can always be tricky (and sometimes slow process if not given a heads up).

In future if theres anything you think is news page worthy, or want to talk to one of the IC's you can use [email protected] to get in contact with them.

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Originally by: Araviel

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kind of feel that to somehow, geez i have spent billions on fighting CA. what should i burn my money on now?

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Originally by: Olgzr

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Its Waagaa's fault.

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Originally by: Olgzr

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Its Waagaas fault.

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Originally by: Reverend Necrona

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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 06/01/2005 16:04:57
Aneu dont bring supremacy into this. We like VOTF and we like Shinra. We'll fly with either. We dont want to get involved really. Too many friends on either side.

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Originally by: Velsharoon

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bring back the scope, controversy means its having an effect

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Originally by: The Slavetrader

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Get a clue, come back when you know what your talking about

Just for your information i was there

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Please highlight the inaccuracies as opposed to simply attempting to brush the facts aside with 'get a clue'.

Internal politics do not cause such friction when all is going well do they ?. However they sure become an issue when external pressures are mounting

Do you deny that all memorable fleet wins have come with a Shinra or Supremacy leader running things and all major embaressing losses have come whilst a VOTF member was in command ?

Do you deny that as a result of this Shinra and Suprem have secretly wanted VOTF out of the alliance for months ?

Do you deny the Shinra and Supremacy have become annoyed at the amount of useless corps brought in to bolster numbers and sullying the CA name as have large ex CA pvp corps in the past such as m0o and ATUk ?

I saw it in CFS when we/they were constantly attacked last year, personal gripes became more frequent with blame looking to be placed anywhere it could. The same has happened with CA. I would love to be privvy to CA internal forums right now.

The public just want to know which CA corps will be allying with whom ?

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you are pathetic, if you really think XF had a true hand in the down fall of CA.

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Originally by: Reverend Necrona

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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 06/01/2005 16:04:57
Aneu dont bring supremacy into this. We like VOTF and we like Shinra. We'll fly with either. We dont want to get involved really. Too many friends on either side.

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Curse Alliance Charter
Effective: July 31, 2004

The boarders of the Curse alliance and its protectorates are closed to all non CA corporations; all infringing entities will be terminated with extreme prejudice.

Said borders consist of:

Curse
Great Wildlands
Detorid
Wicked Creek
Insmother
Scalding Pass
Cache

All policies of the Curse alliance are dictated by a democratic body consisting of two representatives pulled from each member corporation. Any new policies not stated in this document will be voted on, and only passed by a majority. By vote of council: It was decided that; if you have more then two members from your corporation in council during the meeting; the violators will loose representation and voting rights for 1 week.

All war declarations and diplomatic negotiations will be brought before the Curse Alliance council. Appropriate actions will be voted upon by a majority.

All members of the Curse Alliance shall treat any other member with due respect. Combat between members is forbidden and any grievance shall be brought before the Council for a decision..

When a new corporation is voted in, it needs to be determined, if they are going to be a ôfull memberö corporation with full voting rights- or a ôsisterö or ôsplinterö corporation with no voting rights and no seat on council . Determination will be; on a case by case bases by council with a majority vote.

New members applying for entry into the Curse Alliance must first be sponsored by a Curse Alliance member corporation with at least two months tenure. Once- the applying corporation is brought to the council by the sponsoring corp. A vote will be held and the applying corp. will only be brought into the alliance by majority vote. The sponsoring corporation will be held responsible for overseeing the trial corporationÆs adaptation to the Curse Alliance.

Upon entry into the CA, all new corporations will be on probation for a period of no less then 4 weeks. During this time said corporation will hold no voting rights. However all CA controlled space will be open for travel, mining, NPC hunting, and military actions.

After a period of three months a review of the activities and performance of all entering corporations will be conducted to ensure that said corporation meets CA standards.
Further restrictions may apply upon review.

Entering corporations will provide a standard of 50% of its membership for training in CA combat procedures and tactics. Experienced pvp'ers will volunteer their time and effort in training new recruits in good faith. Sponsoring corporations will be responsible for ensuring the trial corporation is capable of defending itself and the Curse Alliance by the end of the 4 week period.

All Curse Alliance members will be responsible for protecting Curse space against any and all threats.

All members are required to be on the official Curse Alliance teamspeak server and obey all rules set out by council.

*A military amendment is forthcoming

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Originally by: Kibachaan

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you are pathetic, if you really think XF had a true hand in the down fall of CA.

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Well, CA failed. They failed with XF like they failed in many things. If you read the post you would have seen that I used it as an example to show how I think frustration came to leak internally.

Please don't insult me personally. That's just being rude. If you disagree, say so, and say why. The statement "You're wrong so you are pathetic" is meaningless.

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Originally by: HavokTBP

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Can I get my items in HLW back finally?

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I disagree, You make it seem as though your group was the decideding factor in CA's down fall. I say it was not. We stood up to everyone and no force brought us down. We brought ourselves down. When OC said the would own xetic and the ca corps went down there the 1st time, we did. For all intents and purposes xif was dead. There was small group left who logged when any blip on the map moved thier way the rest went to empire. There was no one when we were around and we left out of the bordem of it.

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Originally by: OVERCOPES 1

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Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 06/01/2005 11:25:51

Originally by: kessah

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Edited by: kessah on 06/01/2005 08:54:14
LEMMIE HEAR YOUR WAR CRIES!!!!!!! WRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


*had too much coffee 6 hours sleep in the last 3days and been playing eve for nearly 30 hours for the last 3 days sorry if my enthuasiasm scares you *

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and this is coming from a corperation that as far as i can tell never joined th C.A on a offical basis.

good job black lotus.

*edit typos.

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Originally by: Kibachaan

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Waaay off my original intended topic anyway. I think that if CA had taken regions, removed enemies, expanded and conquored more, the member corps would have more to do, would have felt better and possibly got along better. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy CA is suffering, they are our enemies.

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Originally by: WTFOVER

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Welcome to EVE.....First, I know of people in CA and I know for a fact CCP has stepped in ...

1.) CA will exist untill all corps associated with its name leaves Curse.
1a.) UAI is not Leaving... Curse Alliance Remains... Period
2.)No One person or even group of people can disband a Alliance Tag... It takes all Corps to leave the area where the alliance has Claimed (see 1a)
3.) Any Corp can Come and go as it pleases... So, if some reason comes up...and a Corp finds itself in a pickle they can leave CA...but can come back at anytime assuming the CA head honcho lets them.....

(this a ALT Acc. to protect the innocent..No my main doesn't belong to any alliance...but I have friends in all aliances)

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Originally by: Shamen

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Originally by: Reverend Necrona

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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 06/01/2005 16:04:57
Aneu dont bring supremacy into this. We like VOTF and we like Shinra. We'll fly with either. We dont want to get involved really. Too many friends on either side.

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I never once brought Suprm into this...

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Originally by: kessah

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Originally by: WTFOVER

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Welcome to EVE.....First, I know of people in CA and I know for a fact CCP has stepped in ...

1.) CA will exist untill all corps associated with its name leaves Curse.
1a.) UAI is not Leaving... Curse Alliance Remains... Period
2.)No One person or even group of people can disband a Alliance Tag... It takes all Corps to leave the area where the alliance has Claimed (see 1a)
3.) Any Corp can Come and go as it pleases... So, if some reason comes up...and a Corp finds itself in a pickle they can leave CA...but can come back at anytime assuming the CA head honcho lets them.....

(this a ALT Acc. to protect the innocent..No my main doesn't belong to any alliance...but I have friends in all aliances)

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Totally agree, is the big guns wana leave cus there ceo's say jump that there problem, who did what when and how doesnt really matter now there gone owell time to start new.

CA's remaining forces is still pretty vast, and the forces we had were defending the southern regions. we in the northern part are just as battle hardend and ready DO NOT think just becus self apointed leaders of Curse who were on power trips think that they can simply shut down an alliance -

We shall hold are little region and in time we will build up and give Stain and Xetic a good fight before they get bored and start shooting each other

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Originally by: DREAMWORKS

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Originally by: Shamen

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Originally by: Reverend Necrona

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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 06/01/2005 16:04:57
Aneu dont bring supremacy into this. We like VOTF and we like Shinra. We'll fly with either. We dont want to get involved really. Too many friends on either side.

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I never once brought Suprm into this...

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You did Aneu:

"Members base left yes, but your allies who you claim to have been 'protecting' within the alliance dont stand at your side anymore Chow..."

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Main Entry: footÀball

1 : any of several games played between two teams on a rectangular field having two goalposts at each end and whose object is to get the ball over a goal line or between goalposts by running, passing, or kicking: as
a) British : SOCCER
b) British : RUGBY
c) : an American game played between two teams of 11 players each in which the ball is in possession of one side at a time and is advanced by running or passing
d) Australian : AUSTRALIAN RULES FOOTBALL
e) Canadian : CANADIAN FOOTBALL

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I flew past an SE/Xetic fleet today, they didn't shoot me. Can't say it i wasnt sweating tho as i did it :).

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Originally by: Kurenin

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I miss Sinister.

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It saddens me to see the way people gloat and assume the destruction of an Alliance.

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xetic will turn on SE

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Originally by: slip66

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Edited by: slip66 on 06/01/2005 17:04:07

Originally by: Kibachaan

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you are pathetic, if you really think XF had a true hand in the down fall of CA.

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Well, CA failed. They failed with XF like they failed in many things. If you read the post you would have seen that I used it as an example to show how I think frustration came to leak internally.

Please don't insult me personally. That's just being rude. If you disagree, say so, and say why. The statement "You're wrong so you are pathetic" is meaningless.

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I disagree, You make it seem as though your group was the decideding factor in CA's down fall. I say it was not. We stood up to everyone and no force brought us down. We brought ourselves down. When OC said the would own xetic and the ca corps went down there the 1st time, we did. For all intents and purposes xif was dead. There was small group left who logged when any blip on the map moved thier way the rest went to empire. There was no one when we were around and we left out of the bordem of it.

What would have happened had people not been impatient?

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Originally by: lythos miralbar

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This is not really my place to post this, but it needs to be said..

TO ALL SE MEMBERS READING THIS..

We are in a cease fire/NAP with CA.

Only fire if ..

1) fired upon first
2) A CA member is in Stain, has been asked to leave and does not. In this case use whatever force is nessecary to remove them..

Please keep checking the Stain alliance forums and the Alliance channel to keep up to date.

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Originally by: Khaerie

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Xetic keeps us busier then anyone else and I hope they have as good of a time doing it as we do with them.

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Originally by: OMGWTFHAX

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SE will now self destruct due to boredom and no pvp

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Originally by: OMGWTFHAX

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SE will now self destruct due to boredom and no pvp

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Originally by: Elgin Marble

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Who'd have thought CA was the next CFS?

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Originally by: Hughesy

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As a CA Member for only a short time i couldnt go into the ins and outs of the break up completely, all i can say that has happened is:

Shinra and VOTF had massive differences in opinion, it was created fanned and cultivated by foyle, forcing the most powerful and prominent members of the CA to quit the alliance. This prompted R-K to react upon information and also quit, being sympathetic to VOTF and not caring for Foyle's meglomania, and the fact she wanted no one else who could produce items in the CA hence the constant excuses of why R-V wouldnt be allowed in the alliance until the very end.

Out of this confusion more and more people have become uneasy about Foyle and where her interests lay. Also out of the ashes a new flame has erupted which has taken most of what was good about the CA and dispensed with the garbage forming a incredibly powerful fighting force which although not in its entirity as of the moment is flexing its PVP muscles as we speak.

Hope this answers a few questions

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Originally by: MatrixVotf

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Originally by: Hughesy

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As a CA Member for only a short time i couldnt go into the ins and outs of the break up completely, all i can say that has happened is:

Shinra and VOTF had massive differences in opinion, it was created fanned and cultivated by foyle, forcing the most powerful and prominent members of the CA to quit the alliance. This prompted R-K to react upon information and also quit, being sympathetic to VOTF and not caring for Foyle's meglomania, and the fact she wanted no one else who could produce items in the CA hence the constant excuses of why R-V wouldnt be allowed in the alliance until the very end.

Out of this confusion more and more people have become uneasy about Foyle and where her interests lay. Also out of the ashes a new flame has erupted which has taken most of what was good about the CA and dispensed with the garbage forming a incredibly powerful fighting force which although not in its entirity as of the moment is flexing its PVP muscles as we speak.

Hope this answers a few questions

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Only ppl in Curse that miss you guys are the Angels in the Heaven Constelation tbh.

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Originally by: Mitram

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Edited by: Mitram on 07/01/2005 08:22:27
Edited by: Mitram on 07/01/2005 08:21:45
CA is not dead and not dying.

Some Corps left, some new Corps will join, but basically CA will continue.

Of course, because of the rumors we have a lot of unwanted visitors in our regions. But don't worry, we will deal with them.

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Originally by: Moncada

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Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of a belief in religious indulgence, Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces which maintain such ideals will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.

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Originally by: AvanCade

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Being large wasnt the problem. Exodus was.

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Originally by: AvanCade

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Being large wasnt the problem. Exodus was.

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Originally by: Azure Skyclad

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Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 08/01/2005 15:54:02

Originally by: Moncada

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Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of a belief in religious indulgence, Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces which maintain such ideals will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.

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Give Mr Herbert a nod.

Theres a good chap!

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Originally by: H Erectus

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sucking was the problem. being filled to the brink with chodes was the problem. the inability to adapt to exodus was the problem.

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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar

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Originally by: Azure Skyclad

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Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 08/01/2005 15:54:02

Originally by: Moncada

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Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of a belief in religious indulgence, Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces which maintain such ideals will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.

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Give Mr Herbert a nod.

Theres a good chap!

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damnit, now i havve to dig out my dunes... I'm thinking god-emporor, but i'm also thinking heretics.


BTW Lall, what happened between shinra and VotF?

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Originally by: Lallante

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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar

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Originally by: Azure Skyclad

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Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 08/01/2005 15:54:02

Originally by: Moncada

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Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of a belief in religious indulgence, Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces which maintain such ideals will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.

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Give Mr Herbert a nod.

Theres a good chap!

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damnit, now i havve to dig out my dunes... I'm thinking god-emporor, but i'm also thinking heretics.


BTW Lall, what happened between shinra and VotF?

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Convo me ingame so i can tell you a whole load of bull and make you think im superiour

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Originally by: Lallante

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Actually Exodus WAS a large part of the problem.

Exodus made mining and NPCing more interesting. Many less people were willing to PvP, the PvPers got somewhat fed up of always fighting on the back foot while the other 250 people in alliance chat (ALWAYS) seemingly wernt available to help.

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Originally by: Foyle

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I've played this kind of games before Xirt. I like to go in and take the power away from them... and then destroy them. I like to destroy peoples games. If I wanted to Xirt, I could take your power too. In an instant.

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Originally by: Foyle

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You dont respect me as a person. You dont respect me as a player. You dont respect my decision. *SOB SOB WTFPWNED BY XIRTAM*

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Originally by: jonni2

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Edited by: jonni2 on 15/01/2005 00:16:44
Wow, who let retard out? Its utterly amazing how some Vengeance members can be so filled with themselves.

XirtamVOTF killed CA by secretly talking to corporations and asking them to leave, telling them all the wrong doings that were made against him, and prying them away from an alliance they worked so hard to keep alive. He truly could care less for CA, except he wanted the power. Once he lost it, he tore it all apart. Better to control something then to be part of it I guess.

Dont be fooled, people arent loyal to XirtamVOTF, they just wanna kill **** and he gives them the most direct route.

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Originally by: jonni2

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I know what else you are loozer...

So you expect a person to split the minerals an ALLIANCE collected to help protect it with corporations who abandoned it?

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Originally by: jonni2

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So, you abandon an alliance. And you think u deserve part of the minerals collected to keep her alive?

Lol...now that makes no sence.

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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Edited by: Darkrydar on 15/01/2005 00:51:48
Dentali, you don't need to take shots at Shinra. If it makes you feel better, then I guess that speaks for itself. Please go learn some self control.

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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Edited by: Darkrydar on 15/01/2005 00:51:48
Dentali, you don't need to take shots at Shinra. If it makes you feel better, then I guess that speaks for itself. Please go learn some self control.

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Hey its 1am in the morning and i just spent 2 hours reading all 11 pages of this thing. Ok, now who are you to say that Dentali is taking shots at Shinra? back maybe 2-3 pages Lallante and Chowdown were takin shots at VOTF....

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Originally by: Shiwan Khan

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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Edited by: Darkrydar on 15/01/2005 00:51:48
Dentali, you don't need to take shots at Shinra. If it makes you feel better, then I guess that speaks for itself. Please go learn some self control.

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Hey its 1am in the morning and i just spent 2 hours reading all 11 pages of this thing. Ok, now who are you to say that Dentali is taking shots at Shinra? back maybe 2-3 pages Lallante and Chowdown were takin shots at VOTF....

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