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Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:29:00 -
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Meh, gl to CA i'm sure they'll form some new alliance/join an exsisting alliance and mine their ore somewhere else. Lots of big headed SE guys in meh local lan shop going "we own curse w00t w00t" i'm sure it wont stay that way for long FA or xetic will turn on SE/whoever is occupying curse and try and take all those scrummy veldspar roids in systems with refineries.
Same happened with PA, its the way the universe spins i'm sure some new force will be back soon. And i'm sure we wont hear the last of curse for a long long time.
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:47:00 -
[152]
 Originally by: Kurenin
I miss Sinister.
Me too... 
Can I get my stuff from HLW now?
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:27:00 -
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It saddens me to see the way people gloat and assume the destruction of an Alliance.
We are still here and do not recognize any other Alliance's words declaring us dead.
I cannot say what has been planned for my Corp yet as it is still Thursday and some of the big wigs have not had time to assess.
I, for one, enjoy the skirmishes we have with those that fight at our door and see no reason for it to stop simply because someone wants to say, "We won".
This is Eve, the fight never leaves it merely changes.
Do I hate my enemies? No way! They are usually some of the people I have the most fun with. Am I scum? I don't think anyone would give me that label.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:37:00 -
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Quote:
It saddens me to see the way people gloat and assume the destruction of an Alliance.
(Below are only my opinions)
The facts I have gathered right now are,
* CA has split. Some of the more well know PVP corps left and some remains.
* The remaining include the powerful Russian block and they intend to hold a region.
* Those that have left I think want some sort of neutrality. I know VOTF has gotten some neutrality from some corps that were former enemies.
However, expect a crapload of 'friendly' fire incidents. Because frankly the friend or foe or neutral lists are an absolutely mess right now and even if they were not, changing the standing of someone like Shinra or VOTF to neutral will take some time to absorb.
My view of why CA collapsed. First I'm sure many factors came into it and depending on where one is ingame, what position one holds and who one listens to, he or she will have their own perhaps true account but only a small part of the big picture.
My view is from the diplomatic side. CA was untrustworthy. Its leaders I dealt with conspired and plotted in their drive for power. I've seen this externally. I saw it when Lallante lied to me about ATUK attacking our alliance, I saw it from Omega Corp when THEY began the war again our alliance and I saw it from plenty of CA which claimed to have travel rights in our space.
The fact remains that if this type of dishonesty occurs in external affairs, I have little reason to believe that these same personalities would not cause internal strife either. In the end, CA split because of an internal mess that even CA debate the origins of.
The future.
Well after the dust settles, my view is that an old CA guard will stand. I imagine RUS to be a big part of this and for that I give them the upmost respect. Especially when RUS was not involved in the origins of our war.
The ones that left will do their own thing. SE and XETIC will probably treat them as neutral simply because their threat is lower. My own view on this is mixed. I know that a good deal of the grief and origins of the XETIC war are leaving with some of these corps. While RUS and the old guard will be getting punished for their deeds, the ones leaving will probably end up neutral. RUS in my opinion fought because the Curse Alliance told them to fight. It was a duty. I never saw them at the forefront of the plotting and scheming and I will see them in a new light if their defenders remain.
Summary. Its a big freaking mess right now 
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Kibachaan
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:44:00 -
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xetic will turn on SE
You can cancel that one out. XF by it's very nature, is a peaceful alliance and SE are more our friends than any other alliance or corporation anyway.
As for Khaerie, I kind of hope she is right. Although the destruction of CA is something we would love to see, "the enemy" would be missed. I look forward to seeing what happens with CA stellatory/space.
Only when many alliances have a clear understanding of what will happen with the CA that is left, and the CA that has parted, will we be able to make formal and accurate announcements on our intentions.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.01.07 06:30:00 -
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I can't say as I know who did what in sneakiness. From what little I saw I'd say each Alliance has their own double-dealing ways. It's the nature of the game. Get what advantage you can.
I'm just a little old (stress the word old) gal from Texas and do not dally in such things simply because I'd suck at it.
Xetic keeps us busier then anyone else and I hope they have as good of a time doing it as we do with them.
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Mitram
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:21:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Mitram on 07/01/2005 08:22:27
Edited by: Mitram on 07/01/2005 08:21:45
CA is not dead and not dying.
Some Corps left, some new Corps will join, but basically CA will continue.
Of course, because of the rumors we have a lot of unwanted visitors in our regions. But don't worry, we will deal with them.
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General Martock
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:10:00 -
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booo.. no more good fights with CA pirate's 
'I love the smell of napalm in the morning' |
The Slavetrader
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:53:00 -
[159]
Originally by: slip66
Edited by: slip66 on 06/01/2005 17:04:07
Originally by: Kibachaan
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you are pathetic, if you really think XF had a true hand in the down fall of CA.
Well, CA failed. They failed with XF like they failed in many things. If you read the post you would have seen that I used it as an example to show how I think frustration came to leak internally.
Please don't insult me personally. That's just being rude. If you disagree, say so, and say why. The statement "You're wrong so you are pathetic" is meaningless.
I disagree, You make it seem as though your group was the decideding factor in CA's down fall. I say it was not. We stood up to everyone and no force brought us down. We brought ourselves down. When OC said the would own xetic and the ca corps went down there the 1st time, we did. For all intents and purposes xif was dead. There was small group left who logged when any blip on the map moved thier way the rest went to empire. There was no one when we were around and we left out of the bordem of it.
What would have happened had people not been impatient?
Yes patience is the only thing which stops a lot of losers from truely losing.
EXACTLY like when Evol, m0o and ATUK smashed CA back to the stone age and VOTF were mining in Pator and all you could field was 40 man Rifter fleets.
It is funny watching you speak to Xetic about things which have befallen yourselves.
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.01.07 10:22:00 -
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This is not really my place to post this, but it needs to be said..
TO ALL SE MEMBERS READING THIS..
We are in a cease fire/NAP with CA.
Only fire if ..
1) fired upon first
2) A CA member is in Stain, has been asked to leave and does not. In this case use whatever force is nessecary to remove them..
Please keep checking the Stain alliance forums and the Alliance channel to keep up to date.
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2005.01.07 10:29:00 -
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nah check with your CEO, Director or anyone frmo the command staff. There is a list of about 14-16 ca corps that are KOS. Feel free to shoot them. Most of those corps have not stepped forward about accepting the terms.
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.01.07 10:51:00 -
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Hi Aeyrn,
I just saw that someone had been shoting CA and I was last told not to shoot em unless it was covered by the two conditions mentioned so i thought i'd better say something, my bad 
thanks for clearing it up 
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Hughesy
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:36:00 -
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As a CA Member for only a short time i couldnt go into the ins and outs of the break up completely, all i can say that has happened is:
Shinra and VOTF had massive differences in opinion, it was created fanned and cultivated by foyle, forcing the most powerful and prominent members of the CA to quit the alliance. This prompted R-K to react upon information and also quit, being sympathetic to VOTF and not caring for Foyle's meglomania, and the fact she wanted no one else who could produce items in the CA hence the constant excuses of why R-V wouldnt be allowed in the alliance until the very end.
Out of this confusion more and more people have become uneasy about Foyle and where her interests lay. Also out of the ashes a new flame has erupted which has taken most of what was good about the CA and dispensed with the garbage forming a incredibly powerful fighting force which although not in its entirity as of the moment is flexing its PVP muscles as we speak.
Hope this answers a few questions
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The Monk
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: The Monk on 07/01/2005 11:44:44
The break up was nothing to do with foyle so you have no right to even say that. She did the best she could under the circumstances and I praise her for that... I think I pretty much speak for all of ShinRa on this.
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: lythos miralbar
This is not really my place to post this, but it needs to be said..
TO ALL SE MEMBERS READING THIS..
We are in a cease fire/NAP with CA.
Only fire if ..
1) fired upon first
2) A CA member is in Stain, has been asked to leave and does not. In this case use whatever force is nessecary to remove them..
Please keep checking the Stain alliance forums and the Alliance channel to keep up to date.
No SE member should be outside SE space without first checking the standings.
You do this @ the forums @ www.stainalliance.com, Stain Alliance Forum Index + Announcements.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Kibachaan
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:35:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Khaerie
Xetic keeps us busier then anyone else and I hope they have as good of a time doing it as we do with them.
Of course it was fun :)
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Raith
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:56:00 -
[167]
Wrangler only started the Sticky to get 'longest thread ever' award! 
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OMGWTFHAX
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Posted - 2005.01.07 16:40:00 -
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SE will now self destruct due to boredom and no pvp |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:18:00 -
[169]
Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
SE will now self destruct due to boredom and no pvp
If I get that bored I'll just kill you.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
dalman
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:21:00 -
[170]
Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
SE will now self destruct due to boredom and no pvp
Why would that happen?
You know, CA was in a state of war with SE since it was formed.
But SE existed and was considered a military powerhouse long before that.
We've had periods of peace.
After we cleansed the south from the likes of m3g4/da Dragons etc we didn't have a formal enemy for some time.
After CCP introduced the "can't dock/jump after aggression" future, RUS could no longer threaten us and again we had a long period without a formal enemy to fight.
Yet, we had lots of fun and lots of PvP when we wanted to.
However, I guess it will take some time before the "die hard russians" are totally driven out of Cache etc. :)
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
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Moncada
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:35:00 -
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btw. Your poet Elliot was wrong. This is how the world ends,not with a bang but a whimper.
Good game curse and lets see what the future brings.
Monşada
Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Tobruk
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:46:00 -
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guys tell me it aint so! somehow i doubt that this will last. it may not always be called curse but there will always be people there and stain will never take it. I remember when oc and the c4 lads almost killed sa and theres no way that that same group will let them take us. mack tell me it aint so
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Elgin Marble
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:07:00 -
[173]
Who'd have thought CA was the next CFS?
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Jago Morsaph
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:30:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Elgin Marble
Who'd have thought CA was the next CFS?
Prolly that omgwtfhax guy that's always posting, he thinks everyone is the next cfs
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OMGWTFHAX
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Posted - 2005.01.07 22:12:00 -
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eh? wtf have cfs got to do with this?
when have i ever mentioned cfs anyway. |
MatrixVotf
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Posted - 2005.01.07 22:44:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Hughesy
As a CA Member for only a short time i couldnt go into the ins and outs of the break up completely, all i can say that has happened is:
Shinra and VOTF had massive differences in opinion, it was created fanned and cultivated by foyle, forcing the most powerful and prominent members of the CA to quit the alliance. This prompted R-K to react upon information and also quit, being sympathetic to VOTF and not caring for Foyle's meglomania, and the fact she wanted no one else who could produce items in the CA hence the constant excuses of why R-V wouldnt be allowed in the alliance until the very end.
Out of this confusion more and more people have become uneasy about Foyle and where her interests lay. Also out of the ashes a new flame has erupted which has taken most of what was good about the CA and dispensed with the garbage forming a incredibly powerful fighting force which although not in its entirity as of the moment is flexing its PVP muscles as we speak.
Hope this answers a few questions
Only ppl in Curse that miss you guys are the Angels in the Heaven Constelation tbh.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.01.08 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixVotf
Originally by: Hughesy
As a CA Member for only a short time i couldnt go into the ins and outs of the break up completely, all i can say that has happened is:
Shinra and VOTF had massive differences in opinion, it was created fanned and cultivated by foyle, forcing the most powerful and prominent members of the CA to quit the alliance. This prompted R-K to react upon information and also quit, being sympathetic to VOTF and not caring for Foyle's meglomania, and the fact she wanted no one else who could produce items in the CA hence the constant excuses of why R-V wouldnt be allowed in the alliance until the very end.
Out of this confusion more and more people have become uneasy about Foyle and where her interests lay. Also out of the ashes a new flame has erupted which has taken most of what was good about the CA and dispensed with the garbage forming a incredibly powerful fighting force which although not in its entirity as of the moment is flexing its PVP muscles as we speak.
Hope this answers a few questions
Only ppl in Curse that miss you guys are the Angels in the Heaven Constelation tbh.
Calm down you will get an ulzer, otherwise unplug keyboard go have a beer
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.01.08 03:20:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Mitram
Edited by: Mitram on 07/01/2005 08:22:27
Edited by: Mitram on 07/01/2005 08:21:45
CA is not dead and not dying.
Some Corps left, some new Corps will join, but basically CA will continue.
Of course, because of the rumors we have a lot of unwanted visitors in our regions. But don't worry, we will deal with them.
Iraqi minister of information anyone?
-"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!" 
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OMGWTFHAX
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Posted - 2005.01.08 08:39:00 -
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rofl...
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.01.08 09:08:00 -
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Celestial Cartel officially left Alliance this afternoon.
We do so with sadness and look forward to a new beginning.
No finger pointing, no pouting, no gloating. We simply take our game in a new direction.
May all who's hearts are devoted to any cause have the strength to carry on. |
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