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Vaarun
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Vaarun on 18/02/2011 17:04:01
 Originally by: Lyn Farel
By supporting the end of slavery ? It is not really new.
The end to institutional slavery in the Empire has already been set into motion. My 8th generation slaves have all recently become quite popular as there is a great desire for one's children to be born free among the Empire's indentured. No more needs to be done except to help the newly emancipated to adjust to a life less regimented.
Too quickly, we will be hard-pressed to move so many former slaves into citizenship so quickly. I have very few slaves which are less than 8th generation, and none below 5th. Within the next 40 years, all children born to slaves will be free, and within 80 years the vast majority of slaves not from a criminal lineage will have passed on.
The only problem I see is the Matari will have to find a new reason to fight as their current "cause" will be moot. Even if all slaves were freed today, they would still find a reason to fight tomorrow, perhaps railing against our preference for baldness or claiming the golden color of our ships is an affront to one of their gods.
It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight. Slavery was simply a a convenient justification for it. I will be interested to see what they will fight for next.
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/02/2011 18:04:26
Apology accepted Ms Farel, I do appreciate that you have tidied up your newest reply. Thank you.
I also acknowledge your admission on the support of slavery by defending Amarrian slavers and enslaved victims in the Imperial-claimed territories. Direct or Indirect is seldom relevant, whether the bloody-handed overseer at the razerwire fences around the murder pits or the capsuleer standing guard from orbit with beams and weapon drones, the intent is the same û the support and protection of a regime and practise and all that entails.
Your further justification that since the Empire is in a state of war it is right for the Merciful Crown to delay/postpone its liberal/abolitionist aspirations is a very common historical tactic also. But understand ms Farel, you will never determine when and why and how the empire declares its wars aggressive or defensive so to abrogate your abolitionist room for manoeuvre in so complete a surrender to the empireÆs military engagement status does render the Merciful CrownÆs ôreforming agendaö effectively meaningless. If you have no way of influencing the entity you claim to want to change then why should your liberalist rhetoric be taken seriously?
How exactly can you work for your ideals when you have surrendered the ability to criticise the Empire or oppose its regressive agendas while the forces in control ensure it will always be ôat warö and thus immune to your influence? This is a question that should keep your fellow Knights awake at night ms Farel.
As for the FractionÆs choice to attack the Merciful Crown I am not sure why you find the choice weird ms Farel. We cycled war declarations around several dozen Crusader-aligned corporations to allow ourselves to engage their ships during our interventions in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone. You were the only one to dare make the war declaration mutual and declare eternal animosity so thus it remains. We destroyed, routed and humiliated many more hardline entities in our time in this region ms Farel, but you all defend Amarrian slavery by your deployment so all are equally suited to destruction in our eyes.
Moving on, I am not sure that theocracy does imply faith actually. I think it simply implies government by those using religion to control the masses.
Religion can exist without any faith at all. Religion can simply be used as a whip to punish the credulous as means of control for the sitting plutocracy.
In my experience the truly faithful have little use for theocratic pomp and ceremony and do not seek the oppression of sentient life as a divine path.
And I have long said that the Amarrian theocracy is more about sex than faith, and those clergymen and prelates that speak of educating and punishing and chiding their victims to learn lines from speculative fictional tracts to gain release from the sacred nipple clamps are simply playing out domination fantasies with helpless prisoners because they are too ugly to seek a consenting partner and too mean to pay a certified professional for the experience.
On Prisoners/Slaves debate, all I can do is emphasise what I have said to you earlier:
When one does not respect the law there is no legal basis for terminology that categorizes one victim a prisoner and another a slave, and I do not acknowledge the Amarrian ImperiumÆs right or moral authority to make laws ms Farel.
I believe these prisoner/slaves you speak of are improperly held and immorally punished because I do not trust your government to behave fairly, reasonably, or with any sense of equality.
Lets consider a simple "crime".
Your empire considers it a crime to spit on the image of the Emperor? Why? What harm is done? Who is harmed, what loss is incurred?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:11:00 -
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Now, if I owned a statue and somebody spat upon it I might reasonably ask them to make good the ôcrimeö by wiping it off and giving it a quick polish.
That way justice and fair equity is done û there is no deeper meaning or ônationalist prideö to be considered in the matter û simple a possession slightly marred and fair to seek reasonable redress.
But in your society the "criminal" in this case would be carted off to the inquisition, tortured, beaten and hurled into prison for expressing their feelings about a distant corrupt politician.
How then can I have any belief in the virtue and fairness of your criminal system when it falls so wildly divergent from my own?
You talk of correcting the flaws in the your victims à and this is very close to my eyes to the psycho/sexual motive of the Amarrian priesthood seeking paternal abuse/contrition games for personal gratification and is deeply suspect at best.
You Amarrians make a fetish out of re-education and brainwashing û it is rather disgusting and would be best kept in private between consenting individuals.
But the conclusion is you cannot be trusted to speak of justice and criminality while the basis of your government is essentially lets-pretend dressing up games and platitudes spoken of mythology in the sky.
You need some genuinely grown-up systems of interaction and consensus in place before you can be considered equal, let alone intellectually-persuasive on such issues.
So back to broader questions of foreign relations and quibling about who shot who first and villainy or lack therein, it really is a pointless subject of debate:
As I said earlier itÆs irrelevant who fired the first shot, since by holding slaves and practising a mockery of a justice system you invite attack from anyone of sound mind and fair outlook.
On matters of the Matari government, we have a colourful history there and something you said a post or two ago is pertinent, we do oppose all governments on principle yes.
We simply do not believe that aspirant post-humanity has a need for such things anymore. The Matari are not sugar and sweetness and they are as prone to corruption as any people establishing governments and civil structures, but they are in the right in their conflict with the Amarrian Empire because the most profound right of humanity is the right to fight the power that would enslave them.
The Fraction cares nothing for control ms Farel, we care about freedom, we want trading partners and comrades with the freedom to choose how to live their lives and cooperate and interact as they see fit.
At present the Matari republic is the least corrupt of the major governments of New Eden and most likely to allow separatist splinters, independence movements, breakaways and free colonies. The Matari are a fiercely independent tribal people, empire does not come naturally.
With final regard to Providence situation, be assured our policies worked well ms Farel, the frontier is vast and there are moons enough for anyone to exploit. What you describe as a ômessö when 3rd parties fight is simply what freedom looks like. It is messy, it is inexact and sometimes baffling but it is also beautiful and pure. Stop believing you need to control everything in the universe for things to work!
On CVA era history, really, you would do well not to parrot the words of the clusters most notorious liar in this thead! Pilot Blake is a blustering old has-been discredited years ago. I consider he fills the role of a drunken tramp in a tuppeny melodrama most of the time, coughing out platitudes he no longer understands while lamenting the passing of prestige he never really owned. If anything itÆs a melancholy morality tale on the perils of theocracy and strong drink.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.18 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/02/2011 18:09:33
But yes, you say that we criticise the coercive manipulations employed by the CVA wrongly because ôany form of governmentö (works that way). Well that is largely why we stand opposed to these governments.
And yes of course, we helped destroy the CVA power in Providence because we opposed their expansion of corrupt imperialism to the once-free regions of the frontier.
NRDS or NBSI rules of engagement employed to spread a vile theocratic regime across a hundred star systems must be opposed by any lover of freedom.
On a final point ms Farel, you did appear to offer to free your personal slaves and give them over to the fair attentions of my comrade in your earlier post.
I encourage you to do this. The Fraction will guarantee the safety of the ship you use to bring these people to Kamela if you inform us clearly in advance of the time and route of your transit.
Until we next speak.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vaarun
The only problem I see is the Matari will have to find a new reason to fight as their current "cause" will be moot. Even if all slaves were freed today, they would still find a reason to fight tomorrow, perhaps railing against our preference for baldness or claiming the golden color of our ships is an affront to one of their gods.
It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight. Slavery was simply a a convenient justification for it. I will be interested to see what they will fight for next.
Don't worry, you aren't the only group of despicable slavers. The Raiders, Cartel, Nation and so on should keep us busy even should the Amarrians reform and free our people.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vaarun
It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight.
It is in the nature of every sentient mind to fight Vaarun. When you crawled from the womb as an infant and sucked a breath from the air in triumph over death your primal scream was a challenge to entropy, to stasis and all the laws of the physical universe that made that spark of life so completely unlikely.
We are born to fight. All of us. We fight every second of every minute of every day. We fight with the mind and body, with the heart and soul, our existence is a constant enduring struggle against melancholy and decay, against genetics and evolution and against the immutable laws of personal extinction which exist in the terrible sterile radiation of the cruel and wonderous universe.
Show me a man of peace and I will show you a liar.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 18/02/2011 19:15:15
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri
<is stunned speechless by Jade's profound commentary>
I have ways to leave people stunned speechless too. Permanentely.
I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight.
I believe that my lover has already expressed that somewhere.
I start to feel highly unconfortable by seeing the ticker of your corporation invading my lover's thread with ridiculous unrequited flattering.
Now I start to know why your daughter is so clueless. You start to dissapoint me and sever my patience and slight measure of respect I had for you thus far.
I'll leave you to decide wether this is a good or bad thing.
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Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 18/02/2011 19:32:02
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Syn Callibri
<is stunned speechless by Jade's profound commentary>
I have ways to leave people stunned speechless too. Permanentely.
I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight.
I believe that my lover has already expressed that somewhere.
I start to feel highly unconfortable by seeing the ticker of your corporation invading my lover's thread with ridiculous unrequited flattering.
Now I start to know why your daughter is so clueless. You start to dissapoint me and sever my patience and slight measure of respect I had for you thus far.
I'll leave you to decide wether this is a good or bad thing.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Hence why any comment was removed before your response...I thought better of it.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri
Hence why any comment was removed before your response...I thought better of it.
Appreciated.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free. |
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:41:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight.
My cousin tends to be polite to a fault ...
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.02.19 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Farel on 19/02/2011 12:55:46
I think we have discussed of most of what had to be, Ms Constantine. If you can't accept the simple point that we do not condone violence against the amarrian people for the liberation of slaves, we do not need to discuss about it more.
And note to admiral Blake : I am saddened to see that you are going to do exactly what The Cosmopolite wanted in the first place with his pretty clueless message.
Originally by: Vaarun
Edited by: Vaarun on 18/02/2011 17:04:01
Originally by: Lyn Farel
By supporting the end of slavery ? It is not really new.
The end to institutional slavery in the Empire has already been set into motion. My 8th generation slaves have all recently become quite popular as there is a great desire for one's children to be born free among the Empire's indentured. No more needs to be done except to help the newly emancipated to adjust to a life less regimented.
Too quickly, we will be hard-pressed to move so many former slaves into citizenship so quickly. I have very few slaves which are less than 8th generation, and none below 5th. Within the next 40 years, all children born to slaves will be free, and within 80 years the vast majority of slaves not from a criminal lineage will have passed on.
The only problem I see is the Matari will have to find a new reason to fight as their current "cause" will be moot. Even if all slaves were freed today, they would still find a reason to fight tomorrow, perhaps railing against our preference for baldness or claiming the golden color of our ships is an affront to one of their gods.
It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight. Slavery was simply a a convenient justification for it. I will be interested to see what they will fight for next.
That is exactly what I was saying, really. I do wonder why hardliners are so quick to draw here theological quotes of myself. In the past the Empire was a place for enlightment and discussion, and not for witch hunts and autodafTs. I am not doing anything else than what you are yourself doing concerning slavery. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.19 15:24:00 -
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Except that Vaarun describes a fantasy no less risible than the fantasy that the Amarr Empire was ever a place of free thought and open debate. There are millions upon millions of 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation slaves languishing in bondage within the Amarr Empire. Every day, new slaves are taken or acquired or entered into the books and are regarded in Amarr law as '1st generation'.
Furthermore, the implication of a partial, generation-based emancipation without repudiation of the principle of slavery by raid and conquest is clear. The Empire's thirst for slaves will, if anything, get even greater as its population swells and the religious and feudal mandate for slave-taking proceeds as it has for centuries.
The emancipation of the 9th generation without the rest and without a repudiation of slavery is the clearest signal of intent. The Amarr Empire intends to continue the Reclaiming and only in that context does it feel able to release from one level of bondage those it has suborned and brainwashed. Moreover, it is fairly clear that there is a deliberate policy of undermining opposition to the evils of the Amarr religion by using these 9th generation slaves and their religious leaders; the latter all released no matter what generation they came from so as to give maximum impetus to this campaign of subversion.
The simple reality remains as it was before the Great Sow-Heretic Sarum took the Imperial Throne: slavery can legitimately be opposed with that violence which is so often and so sadly the only effective means to extirpate it.
The Cosmopolite
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.19 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel
And note to admiral Blake : I am saddened to see that you are going to do exactly what The Cosmopolite wanted in the first place with his pretty clueless message.
I can assure you that I do not allow the bleatings of race-traitors such as The Cosmopolite to affect my behaviour - I was going to contact Aldrith about your behaviour anyway, and one of the issues that I have raised was not mentioned by him.
You should be grateful that I have done this rather than calling you out in public for your misdemeanours.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.19 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
[...] race-traitors such as The Cosmopolite [...]
Given that I do not advocate the enslavement, conquest or destruction of my people, nor either their thralldom within a totalitarian system, I consider the usage rather fallacious. However, I understand it is used solely to provoke and so I will simply laugh at its use by someone who in my view merits it as an appellation rather more than I.
The Cosmopolite
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.19 17:41:00 -
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On the subject of CVA's dedication to principles, specifically as applies to our NRDS rules of engagement...
...we have continually refused many offers of assistance from powerful organizations on the specific grounds of refusal by those organizations to adopt our NRDS standards.
We have most certainly not sold out on principles, even when the incentive to do so is currently great.
The primary hang-up between CVA and the Fractionites as regards the administration of free space or setting up a free trade zone played out beautifully in Providence from a certain perspective. Fractionites have long accused CVA of standings enclosurism; CVA has long maintained without some guiding hand to keep the peace, anarchy would ensue. Our yoke was easy and our burden was light for any who wanted to come to Providence and seek opportunity. We had rules, we enforced those rules. This was called "enclosurism." When we were defeated, the rules went away. Now there is chaos. Where Ms Constantine feels the need to undermine what was, I say what is proves the point that free space can never be without law and enforcement.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.02.19 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
You should be grateful that I have done this rather than calling you out in public for your misdemeanours.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.19 18:16:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Garreck
When we were defeated, the rules went away. Now there is chaos. Where Ms Constantine feels the need to undermine what was, I say what is proves the point that free space can never be without law and enforcement.
Better to say, when you were defeated your rules went away and for a space there was a free federation of allies. Alas that space was all too short and any chaos was caused by the arrogant attempt by a short-sighted band of fools to impose a new set of rules on those who inhabited Free Providence. They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma.
The Cosmopolite
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.19 23:38:00 -
[259]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma.
This is true. And the short-lived nature of that regime vs the long-standing success CVA and the Holders realized is only one bit of evidence that gives lie to any implied oppression by CVA.
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Biife Stuhe
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.20 00:16:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma.
This is true. And the short-lived nature of that regime vs the long-standing success CVA and the Holders realized is only one bit of evidence that gives lie to any implied oppression by CVA.
Just because your enclosurist regime lasted a long time doesn't mean it wasn't oppressive.
Many oppressive regimes have endured far longer than they ought to have. A certain Empire comes to mind...
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.20 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma.
This is true. And the short-lived nature of that regime vs the long-standing success CVA and the Holders realized is only one bit of evidence that gives lie to any implied oppression by CVA.
I fear your adducement of even the tiniest mosaic tile's worth of 'evidence' in this regard is based on seriously skewed premises and a healthy dollop of wishful-thinking here, old foe.
The political base conditions in the two cases were different in so many ways that it is almost impossible to compare them. Your imperium was an openly feudal system based on the conquest by the CVA of the Providence region aided by allies who all acknowledged the political supremacy of the CVA in that region. All later allies were made to acknowledge that supremacy. Those that became the 'Holders' in the CVA's feudal system acknowledged that supremacy in return for defined territories and a place in the system of military aid organised under CVA leadership.
The system was notionally held together as a true feudalism but was in reality an imperial feudalism. By true feudalism, I mean a system where substantial rights and responsibilities are held and acknowledged by both vassal and liege. In the end, at a critical moment I might add, the illusion amongst the 'Holders' that they had serious political rights within a true feudal system was sundered and it became clear that they had only ever been considered serfs and levy troops in an imperial feudalism where the only rights were those held by the liege and the only responsibilities were those of the slaves to fight and die for their masters. It was not, I think, a great surprise that in the light of this revelation many of those erstwhile serfs declined to take up arms to defend the lands of the lord.
In the case of the, indeed, short-lived Free Providence, the situation was one where a variety of allies in the struggle to defeat the CVA came together as fully equal partners in a region where all the necessary issues were to be decided within a free association of alliances resident in the region. This followed the abeyance of the 'AAA NIP' and the adoption of the 'Providence Council NIP'. The Star Fraction were at no time subject to the former but were members of the freely-agreed latter. I have detailed the collapse of freedom and democracy as serious principles within the 'Providence Council' at length earlier in this thread; suffice to say: hegemonically-minded elements attempted to impose their will using the threat of force, they were resisted, conflict ensued and inevitably there was violence and Free Providence was butchered from within by traitors and usurpers. Once Providence came to resemble a rotting carcass it was hardly a surprise that vultures arrived in force to take possession. Such is life.
I do not think any of this proves in any whit the proposition that the CVA-ruled dominion lacked oppression nor yet the proposition that without a state there must be chaos. It was precisely the attempt to impose anew a state in the face of determined resistance (and competing claims to primacy within such a state) that led to the mayhem.
The Cosmopolite
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.20 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel
I think we have discussed of most of what had to be, Ms Constantine. If you can't accept the simple point that we do not condone violence against the amarrian people for the liberation of slaves, we do not need to discuss about it more.
Perhaps it is so, still I felt the discussion was an interesting and informative one. Clearly we will not agree on the justified use of violence against those who use violence to enforce the unnatural state of slavery on others. Ultimately you have chosen your side ms Farel and I think in the future we have clarified the status of the Merciful Crown as willing defenders of slavery in the Amarrian Empire.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.02.21 13:50:00 -
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.02.21 13:55:00 -
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A minor correction Ms. Constantine.
If you make a careful note of history, you will see that the owning of slaves has occured in almost every major society. Some have tried to deny their history. Some have renounced the custom. But I'm sure you will find that slavery is more often the normal state of affairs than it isn't.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.21 17:52:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
If you make a careful note of history, you will see that the owning of slaves has occured in almost every major society. Some have tried to deny their history. Some have renounced the custom. But I'm sure you will find that slavery is more often the normal state of affairs than it isn't.
I will readily grant that it is true that slavery, in one form or another, appears to have existed in one or other of the cultures of the major home planets of the New Eden cluster at some point in the past. However, the key point is that it has usually been in the past and the 'normal' state of affairs when it comes to the historical development of cultures is that slavery is recognised as the loathesome pest that it is and renounced.
Tragically, when it comes to my people, this normal course of development was arrested and diverted by an even greater pestilence than slavery itself: religion.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.23 18:03:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight.
My cousin tends to be polite to a fault ...
Since the last happenings around New Eden... I'm not sure if this comment is really applicable anymore.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free. |
Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.23 18:26:00 -
[267]
Was a reason I said "tends" ... 
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:12:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Was a reason I said "tends" ...
That's also unconvincing of late Jasmine. I see that my lover is finally overcoming this flaw of being strangely polite with plebeians and worms.
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Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free. |
Rytha Main
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:41:00 -
[269]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Tragically, when it comes to my people, this normal course of development was arrested and diverted by an even greater pestilence than slavery itself: religion.
The Cosmopolite
This is a statement of ignorance to the Nth degree. Perhaps the etymology of words has long since departed from many in New Eden since the EVE gate collapsed, but from what I remember of the old world, the word "University" stems from two separate words in one of the ancient tongues of earth.
Uni - meaning "one"
Veritas -meaning "truth"
The whole concept of the University was founded on the belief that the study of all things in existence can find their common root in God. To have a place where mathematics, literature, biology, chemistry, etc. etc. all have a common denominator (the creator) could be studied in depth. And the pursuit of this knowledge, was to further the goal of knowing and understanding the Creator even further. As the ancient saying goes... "it is no wonder modern science was born in a God-fearing Europe".
The same principle follows of Amarr Cosmpolite. It was Amarr who first took to the stars. It was Amarr who first discovered jump gate technology. The list goes on. The Gallenteans version of freedom means that the poor and destitute become prostitutes or exotic dancers. The Caldari are slaves to mammon. The matari are wayward and listless succumbed to their infighting and smorgasbord of beliefs.
Religion indeed can be a pestilence, if it is lifeless and based on false gods. But let us not confuse religion with true faith. It is the faith of Amarr which has stood the test of time. Take stock of Republic space and compare it to the faithful of the Ammatars. It was no wonder they refused to leave with the Elders. We gave them schools, hospitals, and a thriving and independent economy. Proof that we are not hellbent on subjugating the universe to make life easier for Amarr. The Will of God was that Amarr would go forth and reclaim that which is His, and to cultivate the spirit of man.
The Amarr have been the champions of great good. And no one has claimed Amarr as perfection, only God is. This is even written of in the scriptures, that we root out the evil within. So we are not without our checks and balances as some would so ignorantly claim.
I feel that you spoke too soon wayward brother.
Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rytha Main
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Tragically, when it comes to my people, this normal course of development was arrested and diverted by an even greater pestilence than slavery itself: religion.
The Cosmopolite
This is a statement of ignorance to the Nth degree. Perhaps the etymology of words has long since departed from many in New Eden since the EVE gate collapsed, but from what I remember of the old world, the word "University" stems from two separate words in one of the ancient tongues of earth.
Uni - meaning "one"
Veritas -meaning "truth"
Alas for your claims to etymological expertise this is not so and I fear that you have belaboured under the twisted tutelage of rabble-rousing monks in this regard.
The ancient root word 'veritas' has nothing whatever to do with our Athran term 'university'. Rather, the term derives from the word 'universe' which itself is a composite of two ancient Athran roots 'uni' and 'versus'. In essence, the term 'universe' means in its origins 'become one' or, in its truest meaning, 'the whole'. A university is thus an institution where the whole is studied. In the case of truth the hope and expectation would be that the whole truth is what is available for study by those attending rather than someone's crazed notion of 'one truth'.
Sadly, when it comes to certain aspects of the whole in which we are constituent elements, the truth is not taught in its fullest expression in Amarr universities. There again, I fear this is the case with most state-supported universities. I will say that for Amarr insitutions, my alma mater of Hedion comes closest to a wide appreciation of the whole truth but still suffers from blindness when it comes to many important aspects of reality.
I really feel that your ranting explication of the alleged priority of the Amarr Empire and alleged virtues of the Amarr faith is as flawed as your etymology but I don't feel the need to rebut obvious nonsense point by point.
The Cosmopolite
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