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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:35:00 - [1] Once Upon a Time in Providence The last few weeks in Providence have been rife with treachery, betrayal, theft and base opportunism, but these things are the stock in trade for nullsec space, and the moreso for an unhappy region that even though liberated from Amarrian slavers has sadly degenerated to a cesspit of perfidy populated by bandits and hucksters intent on stealing the labour of others. This is a tale of villainy and cut-throat avarice; it has a cast of loathsome regressive dogs and an impossible situation that promised only tragedy and sorrow. But that isnÆt quite what happened. Sometimes the ôway of New Edenö doesnÆt suit the aggressors after all. First a Little History The Free Captains of the Star Fraction have played a role in Providence since the earliest days. We were allies of the Matari Freedom fighters of the Ushra'Khan alliance during the establishment of Unity Outpost and we shared their foes in Amarrian Nationalism, committing our ships and energy to opposing the CVA in many campaigns and pitched battles. Sure, we were never the biggest threat to the CVA in space, rarely the most numerous, certainly not the most significant territorially û but I do believe we have been the most consistent long term ally of the Ushra'Khan fighters over the years and from the doomed heroics of the QR-K85 siege to the guerrilla pressure of Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisycutter campaigns, from the heights of the KBP assault during Terminus Est to the success of Black Lustrum in resource denial in the final days of the CVA in Providence we have been a consistent presence and thorn in the side of the enemies of freedom. With this springÆs victory over the CVA in Providence we became only the second entity in the region to build and establish our own outpost from scratch, rather than move into the vacant possessions the slavers left behind, when we constructed the Freeport of TAZ Norlonto in YWS0-Z and declared our docking ramps open to all neutrals and free commerce in New Eden. Our allies in the Ushra'Khan applauded the deed and our use of free Matari construction specialists and we lit a beacon for the notion of independence in these once benighted stars. But some regions are cursed it seems. Back in the mists of history such a reputation tainted Venal with a succession of traitors, backstabbers and shocking self-serving politicians scrambling over each otherÆs backs to put the knife into their predecessors, and now it seems the ôGrand Councilö of New Providence is seeking such a dubious epithet in the murky glory of double-dealing and lies. Even the Ushra'Khan suffered from the jealous attentions of their once allies in the region with powerplays and intrigues, mercenary hires and backstabbing that robbed them of their faith and reminded them that holding territory is closer than is comfortable to the memory of the territorial holders who once dominated space with their slaving barges and golden cages. For our part in the Fraction we found the immediate descent to NBSI protectionism and gate-blocking banditry amongst our new ôneighboursö to be disappointing and regressive. We played no part in the ôfight clubö lunacy of ship crews murdering each other one day and then resolving standings the next to unite against a different bunch of psychopaths simply because they deployed an un-manned system blockade unit, rather than torching 60,000 crewman to death for ôsport and recreationö at a meaningless stargate. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:36:00 - [2] We kept record of our hostiles, we flew against the Amarrian bloc and when Providence became nothing but incestuous roving gangs pursuing K/D ratio mutual stimulation we decided to refocus our efforts elsewhere to aid our friends in the TLF against the Amarrian bloc capital ship powerhouse ôCore Impulseö while continuing to encourage neutrals and traders to make use of the outpost we constructed to celebrate the end of the slavery in Providence. You ShouldnÆt Have Attacked My Spaceship! It had been a hard summer for the Free Captains of the Star Fraction. The Core Impulse campaign was a frustrating, bad-tempered, sporadic and cynical affair, with friendly militia penetrated by Amarrian agents, psyops and forum-spam campaigns, bitter smacktalk and general cowardice masquerading as combat techniques in the enemy ranks. We kept on our primary target throughout though and eventually established a foothold in their operating system that proved crucial in breaking their influence in the warzone. With the assistance of the Gallente Militia, the Flowing Penguins, 8th Order, CTRL-Q and ROSS we gradually increased pressure and evolved ways of killing even non-aggressed dock-gamers on the Huola station (passive locking 1400 artillery platforms of great justice) which doubtless contributed to the final dissolution of Core Impulse and their departure from the 24th Crusade. But the notorious enemy fleet commander one ôPredator Eliteö had some chilling words to say on his own departure from the warzone. ôYou really shouldnÆt have attacked my Hurricane, thatÆs going to cost your sovereignty!!!ö And we noted with interest that his place of exile beyond the Crusade was within the Important Internet Spaceship League in Providence and quickly saw this manÆs intention to find new allies to replace his failed corpmates from the fragrant cesspool of the New Providence council. He even boasted to his ex girlfriend (and current lover of the race traitor Eran Mintor) Shalee Lianne ôDonÆt worry about the Fraction wardec, they will soon have more things to concern them than farming the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown!ö Rumours were indeed rife, and even the TLF had heard that the Fraction were shortly going to be removed from Providence and their Freeport given over to NBSI dogs. The horror! An Offer You CanÆt Refuse! So I wasnÆt entirely surprised when I was contacted one evening by a diplomat for the Important Internet Spaceship League alliance going by the somewhat improbable name of ôGrandis Fustisö who came to speak with me on behalf of the Grand Providence Council and ex-Northern Coalition renter alliance named ôOn the Rocksö. The long and the short of it was that the Grand Council had met and decided that the Star Fraction were not worthy of holding space in Providence and since theyÆd already successfully backstabbed the Ushra'Khan and hadnÆt got round to cleaning their knife yet they wanted to arrange a two for one deal and stab us up as well. Some airy justifications followed, the Grand Council told us that if we rolled over and begged and gave our outpost away we would be allowed to return to Providence in the future as their next pets and some light haggling followed where it became apparent that the new residents from ôOn the Rocksö would be prepared to offer the Fraction 400m isk (to save them the costs of 3 Sovereignty Blockade Units ôSBUÆsö and ammunition needed) in exchange for the 25b isk outpost weÆd built with our own hands and labour. I told the Internet Spaceships representative that if that was their best offer they best be prepared to fight. He in turn told me I was a terrible diplomat and threatened us with wardecs, harassment, endless wardecs and more harassment and that I was doing a terrible disservice to my alliance by refusing to take the 400m. I laughed and suggested they should simply ôbring it.ö Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:37:00 - [3] Planning the Siege of YWS0-Z So it was time to do a little research on this ôOn the Rocksö alliance that was being brought in by the Internet Spaceship League to ôreplaceö us in YWS0-Z. It seemed they had a history as renters for the Northern Coalition in the Vale. But their rent agreement had been terminated on the allegation that their involvement in fleets was frankly ôlaughableö and their combat capability was a joke. Hmmm, and these were the people the Supreme Providence Command council thought to steal our outpost? It was frankly a little bit insulting. We war-decced ôOn the Rocksö immediately of course, seemed the polite thing to do. Later that same evening a second ultimatum was delivered this time from representatives of ôOn the Rocksö themselves û and their leader informed me that since weÆd refused their generous offer of 400m isk for an outpost they would be working alongside the Providence council and ôthe might of nine alliancesö to remove us from the system. He remarked later that though ôOn the Rocksö might sound like a bunch of clueless ice-miners who had gotten lost on the way to Jita û they were actually accomplished 0.0 and empire combat pilots with a sterling record in a dozen previous campaigns and we should consider leaving now to spare our pilots. And he closed with the comment ôitÆs nothing personal, just the way of eveö while I responded, ôI trust you wonÆt take it personally when we grind your alliance to dust.ö And he laughed, but maybe a little nervously. But something didnÆt quite add up, why would a premier combat corp from the Northern Coalition want to come and play second fiddle to the Important Internet Spaceships in Providence? Sure it was noticeable that ôRocksö had good numbers in their timezone and we expected the Supreme Council of Providence to back them in battle, but could they fight round the clock at reinforcement times of our choosing? Who knew? In any case we opted for a guerrilla defence of the system to make it as painful (and hazardous) as possible for the aggressors. In open council the Free Captains decided that the price we would make ôOn the Rocksö pay for YWS0-Z was to be 25b isk of damages to their shipping and equipment, or the destruction of their alliance (whatever came first). We decided to remove our own faction tower from the system and to evac all heavy hulls against the possibility that the Supreme Council of Providence might manage a 7 day round the clock bubbling of the Station. From the other direction we prepared copious stocks of Fedaykin bombers and ammunition, many Scimitar class logistics ships and a spicing of fast attack craft to ensure space superiority at need. ItÆs fair to say the anarchists of the Fraction were quite peeved at the temerity of this ridiculous mining alliance being foisted on our outpost by the Supreme Providence cesspit and committed ourselves to a long hard, brutal war of revenge and punishment that would take our ships anywhere these ôRocksö opportunists might be found for the foreseeable future. We had no illusions we could defend the Freeport for any length of time against the hundreds of ships New Providence could muster û but we knew we could make these opportunistic thieving ice-miners rue the day they had ever heard of TAZ Nortlonto by hunting them to extinction. We called the campaign Operation ICEBREAKER and cleared the torpedo tubes for firing. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:38:00 - [4] Incoming Waves of Hostiles Comrade! So it began. ôOn the Rocksö with the support of SODA, DAISHO, BDEAL (Internet Spaceships), TEUTONIC GUARD, NUKE and several other entities began to assault YWS0-Z with SBUs and direct assaults on the system infrastructure hub and station. They deployed a single large Amarrian Control tower within a short warp of the Station at TAZ Norlonto to serve as their operating base and stored their ammunition, ships, and replacement modules there. We code-named it "the roach house" for obvious reasons. Their strong timezone was in the early hours of our morning and initially we were able to mount only a sporadic defence of bombers and interdiction picking off their loners and keeping their siege-forces nervous to the ever present threat of bombs and torpedo ambushes. We were doing pretty well at killing them though. Their ship fittings showed clear evidence of amateurish thinking and their movements were often quite random in the warzone. Several times we held battleships off the gate and executed them slowly to tempt their Tower reinforcements to come and save them to no avail û it seemed these ex-NC miners had no great love of their own comrades and preferred to see them die alone than attempt any kind of rescue. Again it was very telling. And things didnÆt go entirely well with their assault. They were continually ambushed by roving hostiles on the IHUB and Station. At one point a DAISHO/SODA gang hotdropped onto their Station reinforcement party to kill a number of ôRocksö battleships only to come back 30mins later to help them. This is the kind of madness we have come to expect from the Providence ôfight clubö however and itÆs incredible to us to think how the tens of thousands of ôrocks deadö killed ôfor lulzö can be remembered by their fellows meekly working alongside their killers less than an hour after. Still, they achieved their first objectives in the deployment of SBU, tower, and reinforcement of the IHUB and Station and they had managed a total fleet size (including allies) of 40-50 in their strong timezone where we could only muster 25 max in ours. We needed to do something dramatic and plans were laid the following day for a dawn attack on one of the two ôRocksö SBUs to disrupt the aggressors assault on the system and interrupt the second stage reinforcement battle on the Station. (Note to those unfamiliar with sovereignty warfare, the SBU deployment is the first stage of assault. These deployed to more than 50% of the stargates in system will render the defender sovereignty structures vulnerable to attack. When the attackers reinforce the sovereignty structures a timer begins to the next stage of the siege during which the SBUs themselves become invulnerable). We had timed TAZ Norlonto to come out of reinforced at midday and knew it would make the ôRocksö SBUs vulnerable for several hours before they could muster a sizeable fleet giving us a window of opportunity to delay their attack by crippling their SBU coverage. Sovereignty Blockade Unit Ninjas û Attack! So we deployed a sizeable fleet of Fedaykin Class stealth bombers to attack one of the pair of ôRocksö SBUs in YWS0-Z. They had deployed only 2 because they were cheapskates hoping to take the system for a song and expecting nothing much in the way of opposition from the Fraction û this was a quite serious strategic error on their part as it meant we could interrupt their attack by removing only one SBU. Hilarity would follow. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:41:00 - [5] Fraction Fedaykin bombers are typically torpedo equipped with afterburners, shield extenders and warp disruptors. We employed our bomber wing around the target SBU and would direct torpedo fire against the siege device while using 1-2 fast attack craft to shield the formation. If a significant enemy group arrived all bombers would cloak and fall back to a close tactical. It was not our job to provide amusement to roving gangs of hostiles û we were focused on the objective and sometimes evading the enemy is the way to achieve this. That said we did manage some impressive kills in that operation with our bombers proving more than a match for the ôRocksö and ôProvidence Councilö bombers that tried to interrupt us and even slaughtered a hostile battle-cruiser group that came too close. Ultimately we were successful and in removing the ôRocksö SBU weÆd reduced their sovereignty challenge to 1/3 gates in the system û no longer enough to render our structures vulnerable and we were then able to repair the shields of TAZ Nortlonto without further interruption. Thanks go out to several pilots of the TLF, CNTR-Q, ROSS and Flowing Penguins who helped us in the fighting. As well as our salute to the Independent fighters of Ad Astra Corporation who repeatedly hotdropped Providence Forces whenever they looked to be organizing seriously. We had stopped the first attack in its tracks and wasted the initial efforts of the hostiles completely. ôRocksö however, had other ideas and scrambling a cloaked transport ship to action at their tower and attempted a lightning deployment of two additional replacement SBUs on the empty stargates! This was an important threat to us and we responded by splitting our Fedaykin forces and firing bombs at the anchoring structures to ensure any cloaked shenanigans would end in tears while preparing to board the blockade units with Fraction infowar commandos to seize control of these siege units ourselves. The operation was a complete success. The ôRocksö transport pilot was neutralized and our commandos gained control over the two new SBU units (onlining them as Star Fraction structures) to ensure that we could decide exactly when they could be activated and deactivated. This was an amusing evening to be sure. (This is a feature of sovereignty battles that is sometimes overlooked: whoever is first to online the SBU, as opposed to anchoring it, becomes the owner and can then choose to offline/online or un-anchor at a time of their choosing. In seizing control of these devices we could hold the ôRocksö assault to literal ransom by flipping them to offline status in the middle of reinforcement attacks on the IHUB or station and the only sensible response from the enemy was to destroy their own SBU units in our hands simply to get back to square one again.) The Supreme Council Strikes Back! That evening the Important Internet Spaceships deployed in force as morale commissars to boost the evidently demoralized ôRocksö and help them destroy their own captured SBUs over a mind-numbing six hours of drudgery at the gates while they were repeatedly hot dropped, ambushed, and generally brutalized by almost every roving gang in providence. Even Pandemic Legion turned up to the party (no great surprise since they were based a few jumps away in Assah) but though the bodycount was high on the New Providence side they did eventually achieve their objective and replace the destroyed SBUs with three new devices to signal their intent to continue their siege. (WeÆd killed/hijacked 3 by this point and they had deployed 3 more û ignoring their many ship losses this already had cost them considerably more than the 400m isk they ôofferedö us for the station.) Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:42:00 - [6] Wardecs and Sabre-Rattling In the two and a half days to the next reinforcement phase we decided to widen our empire wardecs to include another of the ôRocksö allies who had joined them in the assault on our freespace Outpost and we picked the ôTeutonic Guardö alliance (mainly because they had a number of obvious drooling smacktalkers in their fleets) who had drawn our attention during the initial battles. This had the immediately hilarious result of their chief diplomat warning us that ôwe had no idea who their friends were and weÆd regret this decision with 10 years of wardecs and harassmentö, again I responded with neutral ôbring itö and decided to go and investigate Teutonic Guard a little bit deeper to see what kind of a target they might represent should we be successful and end ôRocksö alliance as an entity in its own right. Turns out that Teutonic Guard are some kind of Ice-mining entity that likes to extract industrial raw materials in the notorious race-traitor capital Gamis in the Ammatar mandate. Taking my covert strategic cruiser down to take a look one evening I found members of ôRocksö, ôTeutonic Guardö and ôNUKEö alliance cohabiting the system and taking turns at the ice-mining there in their expensive looking barges. They all sped quite quickly for dock when I was noticed in system but there was definitely food for thought. A fullscale deployment of Fraction warships in this system would wreak havoc on the regressive patsys of Providence. Later on the executor of Teutonic Guard contacted me again and tried to bully me into removing the wardec on the grounds that his alliance was full of ôfamous and deadly empire combat pilotsö and the Star Fraction had no idea what it was ôgetting into.ö Almost seemed redundant at this point but again I replied ôby all means punish us if you are able (and by the way, bring it.)" Focus on the Rocks û Conversations with the Enemy WeÆd been noticing for a couple of days that ôRocksö performance in fleets hadnÆt been stellar. Once they had become aware that they werenÆt actually getting the outpost ôfor freeö they had taken to sullenly hiding at their tower and engaging in disconsolately unenthusiastic smack-talk enquiring after ôwhy we just didnÆt let them have the system.ö We did a little bit of digging and followed up some leads and discovered Eve News 24 had done some investigative reporting on ôRocksö revealing that the ex-NC pet alliance was seriously short of ISK and were begging their membership for 30m ISK each to pay for an alliance jump freighter. There was also a fair bit of internal discontent with the lacklustre management and director team and several of their FCs had already jumped ship. Their own management was painting the Providence move as a "last hope" fo their alliance fortunes and had staked the ranch on its success. Seemed it wouldnÆt take much to topple this whole house of cards if we planned correctly. Empire war-wise it was a slaughter. Corp after corp was jumping ship saying they wanted absolutely nothing to do with fighting the Fraction in hisec while the sov battle was still ongoing. Our eve-mail box had new departures every hour and it seemed difficult to understand how this entity could hope to survive the campaign with such attrition. Kiernance (their chief diplomat and testy smart mouth) remarked ôItÆs no problem they are just bears jumping ship, all the fighters are staying.ö Still since Kiernance himself was a pilot most renowned for lurking within his tower shields and only leaving to be executed by our forces I did wonder at the location of these expert combat pilot legions we were threatened with. Perhaps they were saving it all up for the next big push? Time would tell. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:42:00 - [7] Goodbye IHUB, My Old Friend So it was reinforcement battle time again. The ôRocksö SBUs had remained in place and our IHUB had ultimately succumbed to a dogged Internet Spaceships-led (with 2 ôRocksö bomber support) attack against increasing numbers of red, neutral and blue hotdrops on their position. WeÆd scored some good kills ourselves with squadrons of bombers attacking the hostiles at the IHUB and every now and then Ad Astra descended to kill more of the Providence lackeys. But truthfully the IHUB was always doomed û repping an object in open space 3 jumps away from the Pandemic Legion Super Carrier fleet with PL scouts in system is not only a ôfools gameö itÆs a game invented by the foolÆs mother with hand-drawn illustrations from the local lunatic asylum sold on national foolÆs day on the continent of absolutely clueless! Not something we wanted to get involved in. So the IHUB burned, but the enemy had lost a good billion worth of ships achieving the kill and squandered more of their effort and it was becoming increasingly obvious to all involved that this wasnÆt a war that ôRocksö could win on their own û and more pointedly û it wasnÆt a war they could even fight without extreme and significant hand-holding from Providence Council entities round the clock. Was interesting to learn of some increasing frustration on the part of SODA fc's complaining about "Rocks" coming on their voice communications begging for help to move their bombers every night. As an amusing post-script to the death of the IHUB there was a mix-up in communications between the Providence Council member fleet after the battle that led to a ôRocksö alliance transport ship containing their new territorial claim unit structure (that they hoped to anchor over the wreckage of ours) being gang-warped to the 4B gate with the departing Important Internet Spaceships fleet. We watched this from behind our cloaks with amazement convinced it was some kind of trap. But deciding to seize the moment anyway dived in and destroyed the transport ship, the replacement territorial claim unit, and a couple more unfortunately gang-warped ships with absolutely no attempt from their gang-mates to return and help them. Nice! And deeply symbolic, the "Rocks" TCU burned unlamented and alone. Defensive Victory! û Oh Bugger WeÆve Been Flattened So it was station reinforcement battle time again. WeÆd again set the timer for early afternoon in our chosen timezone and we had good numbers available off the bat and set to reinforcing the station shields up past the 25% mark to ensure a reset to the first stage of the siege. Here we made a bit of a tactical error. We made it easily past the 25% mark to render the station non-reinforced again (At one point we had 12 scimitars and 6 carriers doing the repping) and should at that point have shipped to bombers to begin work on the enemy SBUÆs. Instead we got carried away with the defensive repping and over the next few hours got the station to around 95% shields and were feeling very pleased with ourselves. Then we got stirred up by a Pandemic Legion Rapier. We knew it was an obvious cyno bait. We told each other it was obvious cyno bait. We laid preparations against the obvious cyno bait. But somehow we managed to aggress it with a Dramiel assisted by Scimitar combat drones and guess what? IT WAS OBVIOUS CYNO BAIT! So gods own super cap fleet dropped alongside a titan bridge full of heavy battleships deploying hundreds of Fighters and Fighter Bombers, pulse beams and all manner of destructive energies in the midst of our repping force and managing to make an immediate brutal example of the single ship too slow to evade (for some inexplicable reason they even brought along a pair of Anshar class jump freighters!) Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:43:00 - [8] Objective Roach-House The ôRocksö tower in YWS0-Z was designed defensively and code-named ôthe roach houseö by Fraction planners. It had many ecm modules, quite ineffective armament, and many shield hardeners. We engaged it initially with long range Cruise Missile Ravens to aim at incapping the guns and warp disruptors to clear the way for bomber-based close range attacks on the remaining modules later on that day. Everything started well and counter-action from our enemies was nowhere to be seen. Then mid-operation we received a diplomatic approach from the ôRocksö management team to the effect their alliance was was considering their campaign a failure and looking for terms to retreat from YWS0-Z with no further loss of equipment or shipping. We quickly worked up a proposal we considered fair that involved ôRocksö pulling down the remaining SBUs and simply leaving (while we in turn would end the empire war and turn our attentions to other hostiles who had attacked our Outpost - looking at YOU Teutonic Guard!) and left things to the ôRocksö council to okay this with their membership while we prepared to order a ceasefire in return. We thought it was rude to continue dismantling their staging tower while we had this pause for diplomatic discussion so called off the attack on ôobjective roach-houseö for the evening. Diplomatic Frustrations The next day nobody was home on the ôRocksö command team. People were jumping ship, corporations were imploding. Nobody appeared to know what was happening and individual ôRocksö members were fleeing Providence as fast as their stabbed battleships could carry them. But we couldnÆt confirm whether or not the remaining ôRocksö officials were prepared to meet our terms or not and I have to admit the prevailing mood amongst the Free Captains was not a merciful one. Finally we heard from Kiernance himself ôRocksö chief diplomat that they intended not to honour the terms and would leave the SBUs in place just to be a pain on the off-chance that PL might take our system. Others of ôRocksö tried to claim they actually wanted to kill the SBUs themselves, or that the people with the rights to unanchor or offline them were not available/had already jumped ship or otherwise left the warzone. Finally Kiernance told the real story in Star Fraction Public explaining his intention to offline the SBU's at a convenient moment for Important Internet Spaceship League to immediately online them and continue the siege. Needless to say that was the end of diplomacy and we had learned all we needed to learn about the word of these people. So this left us little alternative than to prepare for the next reinforcement battle knowing that the Rocks SBUs would provide a potential avenue for PL/BDEAL (or indeed anyone else) to reinforce the station and we agreed as Free Captains that whatever happened ôRocksö (and former "Rocks management team") would be due quite a lot of special attention and vengeance once the campaign was over one way or another for this perfidy. Assault on Objective Roach House II We watched the Dotlan data analysis site alliance reports and surrender notifications closely as ôRocksö continued to dissolve over the weekend. At this point there was literally nobody to speak to there since anybody with any kind of seniority had already bailed. Eventually the shields on the Roach House failed through lack of fuel since the owner couldnÆt get an industrial ship through and we were able to incapacitate all guns and disruptors to prevent a quick repair and unanchor retreat in the night. The final stage of the operation saw us obliterate the ôRoach Houseö and liberate a few remaining ôRocksö ships and supplies from the maintenance and secure storage before anchoring a new tower of our own in the same location with many bubbles to catch the unfortunates abandoned by their own leadership. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:44:00 - [9] End of Operation ICEBREAKER With all hostile SBUs down, a replacement IHUB deployed, and the ôRocksö staging tower obliterated, together with the near complete annihilation of ôOn the Rocksö as a functioning alliance we are ready to declare the operation a complete success. When ôOn the Rocksö began hostilities against the Star Fraction they had 400+ members while as of now they have only 15 pilots. The grand majority of ôOn the Rocksö corporations have jumped ship to avoid the wardec: Red Ochre Mining and Exploration surrenders to The Star Fraction Vendetta cc surrenders to The Star Fraction Smyth Shipyards surrenders to The Star Fraction Lets Get Rocked surrenders to The Star Fraction Silver Star Federation surrenders to The Star Fraction Old Timers Guild surrenders to The Star Fraction Averos Corporation surrenders to The Star Fraction ENSANGUINE PRIME surrenders to The Star Fraction Degenerate Corp surrenders to The Star Fraction During the past two weeks of fighting ôOn the Rocksö have suffered 4.7b worth of direct ship and equipment losses to the Star Fraction (and considerably more besides to 3rd party involvement and hotdrops while they have been attacking our equipment and structures.) We have dealt considerable damage to "Rocks" allies and will continue to do so in retribution for their part in the attack until suitable terms and recompense is offered. The Dotlan data analysis site paints a grim picture on the impact of this conflict on the enemy alliance. On the Rocks status update With the final word going to the On the Rocks alliance description after two weeks fighting with the Star Fraction in YWS0-Z. Quote: ôOn the rocks Currently closed. Contact Luxotor for questionsö Epilogue: Once Upon a Time in Providence So that was the story of the Star Fraction defeating the collective will of ônine alliancesö and annihilating On the Rocks alliance against the efforts of the Supreme Providence Council. Of course we are under absolutely no illusion that we will succeed in the long term to hold YWS0-Z infrastructure and keep the outpost free against the shambling hordes of Neo Providence but I think we have demonstrated that we are fully capable of burning any roaches thinking to steal a cheap victory and Freespace outpost that was built by the Free Captains to celebrate the liberation of Providence from Amarrian Imperialists. We opened TAZ Norlonto to neutral trade and commerce and provided it as honest service to anyone wishing to explore the frontier and experience 0.0 for themselves. We have absolutely no territorial aspirations of our own. We donÆt crave the control, restriction, policing or taxing of space in any way. Anyone is welcome to come and make use of YWS0-Z system and if you avoid aggression against the assets and ships of the Star Fraction you may dock and make use of all facilities. At no point during the siege of TAZ Norlonto did we alter the terms of business and docking of the outpost. They remain today as they were on the day it opened for business. ItÆs said by some that Providence is where alliances go to die. For ôOn the Rocksö it was true. But in striving against closed-minded territorial dogs and petty-minded imperialist bureaucrats trying to taint the memory of Free Captains and Matari fighters united in victory over the slavers of the CVA, we have found renewed energy and purpose and desire to punish any puling lickspittle territorialist lackey thinking to annex a Freeport and close the borders and gates. Through the flames of treachery and venal aspiration we are reborn as Free Fighters opposed to territorial conceit and the midden-house stink of corrupt governance on the frontier. The Star Fraction is killing imperialist alliances again. Long live the fighters! Join the Revolution!
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 14:22:00 - [10] Oh ... and by the way ... Happy one year birthday to On The Rocks [ICE]. To bad you didn't quite make it to the birthday party before you were ground into dust. Muppets! Sincerely, Claire XXX

Rorin Cutter Caldari Beatus Tutela Nihilists Social Club	Posted - 2010.10.26 14:45:00 - [11] Jade, Thank you for reminding me to buy more memory for my pod coms system, you just overloaded itàà I have said it many times; we did not, and we will not go away into the night. We will be here, until every single squatter is ground under. The millions of ôliberated peoplesö who died fighting you and your invasion with the southern hoard of terrorists and pirates cry out for retribution. Those who turn away from the light And walk in darkness Shall be stuck down by His wrath For we are retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance - Scriptures. Book of Reclaiming 4:45 -Rorin
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.26 14:45:00 - [12] Nice work Free Captains. It's a fine feeling to see an enemy alliance fall apart. * Reminisces about Sylph Alliance *
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.26 14:52:00 - [13] I am not at all surprised that Providence descended into a "cesspit of perfidy populated by bandits and hucksters intent on stealing the labour of others" under the heathen regime. It was only to be expected. I look forward to the day that the region is restored to its rightful governers (ie Amarrian loyalists) so that law and order once again exists there. Fortunately, SF's apparent actions in destroying one of the squatters in Providence have brought that day a little bit closer. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Blaqsunshine Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 15:17:00 - [14] Glorious battle! I would also like to add a round of applause to Tactical Nightmare for their assistance in the massive fire ball that was to be known as The Roach House. It was good to set aside differences to unite on a common front. Well done, Blaqsunshine
Flashh Gorden Exile Consortium Nihilists Social Club	Posted - 2010.10.26 15:19:00 - [15] At last we have it from the horses mouth,instead of bringing freedom and liberating the opressed you simply managed to drive out any good ohnest people and replace them with spineless greedy backstabbing retches. I wonder how many law abiding nuetrals used your little oasis of tranquility burried so deep in the cess pit of murder and voilence you help to create? I also wonder how many of those that did made it back out alive again.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.26 15:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Flashh Gorden At last we have it from the horses mouth,instead of bringing freedom and liberating the opressed you simply managed to drive out any good ohnest people and replace them with spineless greedy backstabbing retches. Oh I assure you, we brought freedom to millions of slaves. It simply happens that you are unconcerned with their fate. Completely egocentric like most capsuleers, ignoring the masses of humanity living a life outside of pods.
Nick Bete	Posted - 2010.10.26 16:05:00 - [17] Congratulations Free Captains! Keep fighting the good fight against the cowardly hordes. Oh, and Blake, please be quiet and go back to praying to your fairy tale god you senile old slaver.
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.10.26 16:51:00 - [18] Scrolled down to find the short version, never found it...........
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari	Posted - 2010.10.26 16:54:00 - [19] Well done to you all, Free Captains. I am sorry that I wasn't there to help, but I commend you on your fine showing. If I can be of assistance in the days to come, let me know and I'll try to help. It would be sad to see a freeport fall, New Eden needs more of them rather than less. The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation
Altaen Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.10.26 17:36:00 - [20] Jade, Even though these affairs are far-removed from influencing me and mine, I enjoyed your account. I am inspired by the Star Fraction's execution of guerrilla tactics and victory despite overwhelming odds. This is the defining mark of our people.

IamBeastx Amarr SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.10.26 19:03:00 - [21] TL:DR People in eve did stuff you didn't like (shock horror). You say your going to do something about it. http://iambeastx.wordpress.com
Kaneye Havit Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 19:44:00 - [22] Originally by: lucifers widow Scrolled down to find the short version, never found it........... On The Rocks tries to take over Sov of YWS0-Z. (Don't know why. Why not let us keep paying the bills while anyone, repeat, ANYONE can use the resources in the system to their hearts content?) The Star Fraction wages a harassment campaign, disrupting their attempted take-over. On The Rocks collapses like a house of cards in the wind. Jade makes lovely, albeit longer-than-I-can-string-together, post on The Summit for all the usual suspects to foam and froth over. Hmmm, even that is kind of long for a tl;dr summation frowns
Ares Morgan Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.26 20:55:00 - [23] Good work Star Faction i hope you keep living free and happy.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.10.26 20:56:00 - [24] Well done Star Fraction, you've proven the strength of the Free Captains to any who would doubt it. ---
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.26 22:13:00 - [25] I have come to truly appreciate my Hound. Made it through the campaign intact (well, to date) and has net a healthy kill record. This has been... a rather delicious opportunity to develop and refine bomber technique. I think what in particular will stick with me, is a bombing run executed whilst the Infrastructure hub was under fire. Saul Damphir had been spending a degree of time preparing navigational co-ordinates for vectored warps and bomb deployments, around the hub. The attempt was made, and some 7 bombers all warped from the prepared vector, released a Scorch bomb, and warped immediately to their exit vector. Our opponents well clustered, took a startling amount of damage - sadly we didn't have enough prepared pilots to attempt a second wave, otherwise causalities would have been considerably higher. None the less, some 6 ships (and an assortment of pods) were obliterated before their pilots even saw the structural integrity alert. A well executed bombing run if ever I saw one.
Boma Airaken White Song Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2010.10.26 23:21:00 - [26] Congratulations to the Freecaptains for once again letting the light of liberty continue to shine.
Aphoxema G Propaganda Due HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.10.27 00:46:00 - [27] I'm impressed that even though this is like the 70 millionth time or so that someone underestimated an experienced and extremely well funded group and suffered tragically for it Jade can still make it sound interesting and new. ------------------------------- The fox chases for her meal, but the rabbit runs for her life.
Aldrith Shutaq Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.27 02:16:00 - [28] Aldrith rubs his forehead and winces as he speaks. Alright, now that you are done masturbating over a victory against people who's mothers clearly took dips in birth-defect causing chemicals on a daily basis during their pregnancies, I'm going to say a few things. One, I congratulate you on your victory. May you stay out in Providence for all eternity, chasing your own tail and fighting off the anarchy you helped to create there. Two, don't talk about my corpmates' love lives. It's rude, especially when you don't know the first thing about them. Three, shut up already before I begin to dream of stapling your lips to your own ass so that they'll never leave there again. I don't want to wake up disappointed that you're light-years away from me and a staple gun. But mostly I just don't want to dream of you at all.
TomHorn Caldari Horn and Brothers	Posted - 2010.10.27 02:26:00 - [29] Really enjoyed your post Jade. Learned a little more about the history of providence, and the write up of your campaign was GREAT. Thanks for the read. TH
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X	Posted - 2010.10.27 02:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Jade Constantine Wardecs and Sabre-Rattling Later on the executor of Teutonic Guard contacted me again and tried to bully me into removing the wardec on the grounds that his alliance was full of ôfamous and deadly empire combat pilotsö and the Star Fraction had no idea what it was ôgetting into.ö Almost seemed redundant at this point but again I replied ôby all means punish us if you are able (and by the way, bring it.)" My dearest Jade Constantine, As always, your dedication and intellect is admirable. I must state... Teutonic Guard? HAH! I have actually just received an offer from them to join their alliance.. which of course will not be happening. This alliance are not only dishonest and have very little combat ability but have also soiled my name. Any hulls of theirs that you manage to breach I appreciate and support. Who knows... it's possible we'll both have them set as targets some time in the near future. "Famous and deadly empire combat pilots"? I think the -SF- recent killboard records speak for themselves. They obviously don't know just who it is that they are dealing with. I doubt their "experts" can amount to any -SF- pilot. As for the rest.... Give 'em hell -SF-!! A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal

Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.27 04:53:00 - [31] Yawn.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.27 06:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Long-winded Lies He even boasted to his ex girlfriend (and current lover of the race traitor Eran Mintor) Shalee Lianne ôDonÆt worry about the Fraction wardec, they will soon have more things to concern them than farming the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown!ö You made me "lol". ------------------------------------------------ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Anabella Rella Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.10.27 06:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Eran Mintor You made me "lol". So did your girlfriend's picture. Seriously, an Amarrian hag? It's one thing to be a traitor but, to also be one with such questionable taste...shameful indeed. Oh, and congrats to the Freecaptains for sending another pack of arrogant, sniveling dogs running. What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.27 06:42:00 - [34] Shalee is the most desirable woman in all of New Eden, so I'm not sure where my tastes went sour. ------------------------------------------------ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Gangleri Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2010.10.27 07:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Jade Constantine The last few weeks in Providence have been rife with treachery, betrayal, theft and base opportunism, but these things are the stock in trade for nullsec space, .... No, these things are the stock of your so called anarchy philosophy. You only got what you brought yourself to Providence. The sinful always get reduced to nothing. 1PG is recruiting
Eru Velari	Posted - 2010.10.27 11:18:00 - [36] Mr Constantine, I feel the need to correct your facts a bit. I cant say how the forces of my former alliance and home fared in providence, but i can tell you this. You claim that the "impact of this conflict" killed ICE, well you didnt really "kill" that alliance, did you? It had been ongoingly cascading since the Vale eviction, which by the way was an amazing display of Northern Coalition Hypocracy if you look into it. To put into perspective, which event do you think is the most traumatic? failing to take a station system with an allready bleeding and disillousioned alliance, taking a mere 5 billion in damage in the process or loosing a whole constellation and resulting in 600 pilots leaving, more than half of which almost immediately rejoined the NC. Furthermore, when you read the news you might want to factor in that you are likely not reading the whole story. ICE was hardly broke, asking for donations is a pretty common thing to do in any alliance in a similar situation to get things done and ICE had in fact been repaid the full cost of the station that they had built in the north only a short time after. The transfer is evident from publicly available sources. Which brings me to ask why they didnt offer a proper deal. Hubris probably. shrug They didnt exactly leave Providence. Its my understanding that most of what was left of the alliance joined Important Internet spaceship league. Cute story, allthough when you write up an account this onesided its sorta useless to anyone other than yourself. You could have saved yourself the hassle, mr Constantine. To end this commentary, Id just like to say, to the former leadership of [ICE] On the rocks, new aswell as old. It was a wellmeaning initiative, an open alliance to anyone who cared to join, unfortunately this also proved to be our downfall. You made errors but you fought like lions keeping the boat steady. To ICE and to SKMC from Providence to Fountain to Vale of the silent and back to Providence, you will allways be home. <3
Evet Morrel Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 11:27:00 - [37] On the contrary Gangleri, this reminded us of where we came from, of the birth of SF when PIE were the oversees exploiting their transhuman cousins for the Amarrian block. We exploded the imperial myth, their ability to provide security, exposing the regressive gang masters' regime of punitive taxation and exploitation of those they would chain to the rocks of providence. Had they come prepared to make a new home as comrades they would have had better friends, than the self important internet spaceship pilots, with all the facilities of TAZ at their disposal, the fools.
Tekumze Wolf Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 12:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Eru Velari Edited by: Eru Velari on 27/10/2010 11:36:29 Ms. Constantine, I feel the need to correct your facts a bit. I cant say how the forces of my former alliance and home fared in providence, but i can tell you this. You claim that the "impact of this conflict" killed ICE, well you didnt really "kill" that alliance, did you? It had been ongoingly cascading since the Vale eviction, which by the way was an amazing display of Northern Coalition Hypocracy if you look into it. To put into perspective, which event do you think is the most traumatic? failing to take a station system with an allready bleeding and disillousioned alliance, taking a mere 5 billion in damage in the process or loosing a whole constellation and resulting in 600 pilots leaving, more than half of which almost immediately rejoined the NC. Jade is hardly saying that we're solely responsible for the cascade of the alliance as you remember it. Whatever ICE may have been is unimportant now. ICE(or the remnants of what it once was as you picture it) came to Providence somehow expecting SF would roll over and let a territorial alliance claim the station without a fight. They were wrong and the collective efforts of SF and some other entities (Jade listed those who helped us) proved to be the straw that broke the (ICE)camels back. Past history (no matter how glorious it may be) is past. We fought ICE as it is ... well was. The funniest thing in the whole story is that they could have simply moved into the station do whatever they wanted in the system and we'd be paying the bills for them. They decided to put a gun to our head and they failed.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Rodj Blake I am not at all surprised that Providence descended into a "cesspit of perfidy populated by bandits and hucksters intent on stealing the labour of others" under the heathen regime. It was only to be expected. I look forward to the day that the region is restored to its rightful governers (ie Amarrian loyalists) so that law and order once again exists there. Fortunately, SF's apparent actions in destroying one of the squatters in Providence have brought that day a little bit closer. I believe you are labouring under a misconception here Rodj Blake and I will give you the benefit of the doubt and correct it for you. The current composition of the "Supreme Providence Council" is hardly Matari based or led. The Ushra'khan have gone. Star Fraction has no representation or support there. I don't believe any true freedom fighters or Matari guerillas still do. And though I cannot speak for the Ushra'khan formally I do know they will tell you their intention in Providence was to liberate the billions of slaves held planetside and in orbiting facilities during the CVA era. This liberation was completed and the job was done. For our part in the Fraction, we aided our allies in their design and then sought to establish a Free Port to celebrate the victory over tyranny that had been achieved in Providence - no more, no less. As to what has come after. Daisho, Sodalitas, Important Internet Spaceships, Teutonic Guard, and the rest, these are no friends to freedom or the matari liberation movements. In the main they are simply opportunist brigands intent on pursuing a free lunch where such can be obtained. Internet Spaceships in fact have been accused of aiding the Imperialist Amarrian cause in recent days by outspoken commentators in the TLF - and as should of become clear in my account - a former noted Fleet Commander of the 24th Crusade is operating within Important Internet Spaceships as strategist and planner. During our fighting with these dogs we've often seen the Neo Providence holders boasting about their new slaves and attempting to outdo the CVA in brazen cruelty to the remaining populations of these unhappy worlds. A pilot from Teutonic Guard alliance publicly spaced a cargo bay full of women and children he'd acquired through a courier contract to make the point that they embraced slavery and considered baseline human life of null value on the frontier while we harried the enemy fleet with bomb-runs and intediction. My point is Rodj Blake - you are wrong to try to equate the current state of Providence with Matari choices and anarchist principle. We achieved a victory earlier this year and liberated billions from your grasp, our task was successful and by and large our interest in the region ended with that. What exists now in Providence is a society of capsuleer roaches who have ventured out from beneath the rotten carpets of mouldy imperialism to foist the bankrupt stink of NBSI ideology on another unlucky region because their imagination knows nothing else. In fact they are even now trying to ape the CVA in their terminology and councils, in their dreams and aspirations. That is why they boast their new slaves - why they use the terminology of Aralis and flatter themselves "holders" rather than honest pilots in a free trade zone. Obviously they must burn. And so the cycle continues. As I said in my introduction piece, some regions are cursed and I think the long occupation of the CVA has twisted the minds of those coming to live in their abadoned stations and holdings - it didn't take the rabble long to dress up in the gowns and robes of the Amarrian Slavers and start giving themselves airs and graces and start quoting scripture. You will not be fighting "heathens" during your reconquest of Providence Rodj Blake - you will be fighting your own wayward children aspiring to your own way of life. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:44:00 - [40] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 13:46:35 I said that Providence had been taken over by heathens, not by Minmatars nor by anti-slavery activists, nor even by anarchists. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Rodj Blake I said that Providence had been taken over by heathens, not by Minmatars nor by anti-slavery activists, nor even by anarchists. Nevertheless. I thought it worthwhile reminding you that chief amongst those "heathens" is an organization employing the past golden-child of the 24th Crusade "Predator Elite" who is still in the habit of hot-dropping the TLF using his new resources and associations. New Eden politics is a tangled web and its rarely possible to draw such a clear line between "heathen" and "non-heathen" when your objective in Providence is currently run by a 24th Crusade-friendly organization with a former FC of that organization in the driving seat. The Ushra'khan and their genuine allies achieved a great and wonderful thing in Providence this year with the breaking of the holder power and liberation of a billion slaves. Lets not tarnish that memory in the ridiculous belief that the current state of providence has anything to do with freedom. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:57:00 - [42] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 14:00:16 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I said that Providence had been taken over by heathens, not by Minmatars nor by anti-slavery activists, nor even by anarchists. Nevertheless. I thought it worthwhile reminding you that chief amongst those "heathens" is an organization employing the past golden-child of the 24th Crusade "Predator Elite" who is still in the habit of hot-dropping the TLF using his new resources and associations. New Eden politics is a tangled web and its rarely possible to draw such a clear line between "heathen" and "non-heathen" when your objective in Providence is currently run by a 24th Crusade-friendly organization with a former FC of that organization in the driving seat. The Ushra'khan and their genuine allies achieved a great and wonderful thing in Providence this year with the breaking of the holder power and liberation of a billion slaves. Lets not tarnish that memory in the ridiculous belief that the current state of providence has anything to do with freedom. Actually, it's quite easy to distinguish between heathens and non-heathens. A heathen is someone who refuses to accept the guidance of the Scriptures. As for your claim regarding the release of a billion slaves - care to provide some evidence for that? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.27 14:02:00 - [43] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 13:51:38 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 13:50:44 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 13:46:35 I said that Providence had been taken over by heathens, not by Minmatars nor by anti-slavery activists, nor even by anarchists. And I'm pretty sure that when Providence first fell to those heathens I predicted that the region would become an NBSI hellhole. Actually very few of the 'heathens' who currently live in Providence had any part in taking the space over from CVA and their associates. The 'heathens' who did that are elsewhere.
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse Nihilists Social Club	Posted - 2010.10.27 14:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Jade Constantine It had been a hard summer for the Free Captains of the Star Fraction. The Core Impulse campaign was a frustrating, bad-tempered, sporadic and cynical affair, with friendly militia penetrated by Amarrian agents, psyops and forum-spam campaigns, bitter smacktalk and general cowardice masquerading as combat techniques in the enemy ranks. We kept on our primary target throughout though and eventually established a foothold in their operating system that proved crucial in breaking their influence in the warzone. With the assistance of the Gallente Militia, the Flowing Penguins, 8th Order, CTRL-Q and ROSS we gradually increased pressure and evolved ways of killing even non-aggressed dock-gamers on the Huola station (passive locking 1400 artillery platforms of great justice) which doubtless contributed to the final dissolution of Core Impulse and their departure from the 24th Crusade. Actually, we got bored of the lack of engagements from the minnies, and their constant ways of docking up. We couldnÆt even get them to agress a capital at a station any more in the end, cause they knew we would gank it in under its deagression timer. So after pretty much beating down the TLF, and with the destruction of the heretical Aeon in Houla. The Empress came to me in a dream one night and told me our work was done, and that she was proud of what we had accomplished, and that it was time for us to seek out a new challenge, for the good of the Empire. Witch we did, and its been a blast so far. So stop deluding yourself Jade, you never had any impact on us when it came to our decision making, and overall direction in New Eden. We both know you and your fraction failed completely in disrupting our operations in the bleak lands when we where a part of the 24th. You where nothing more than a minor nuisance at best... Dunn Idaho Core Impulse Nihilist Social Club
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 14:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Dunn Idaho So stop deluding yourself Jade ... you never had any impact on us when it came to our decision making smiles with a little amusement at this most familiar of imperialist rhetorical wriggles Yes, we never actually blow any enemy spaceships up either. Its odd, all we have to do is come out of a warp and lock on our targeting sensors and they just self-destruct. Nothing to do with us whatsoever. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.27 14:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Borza Slavak Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 13:51:38 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 13:50:44 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/10/2010 13:46:35 I said that Providence had been taken over by heathens, not by Minmatars nor by anti-slavery activists, nor even by anarchists. And I'm pretty sure that when Providence first fell to those heathens I predicted that the region would become an NBSI hellhole. Actually very few of the 'heathens' who currently live in Providence had any part in taking the space over from CVA and their associates. The 'heathens' who did that are elsewhere. Some of the names may have changed, but the descent into lawlessness continued. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.27 14:37:00 - [47] God willing, the poor immitations will fall victim to their own treachery amongst themselves and we will remove them in due time. Then believers and dreamers of true conviction can sort out their differences in appropriate (and inevitably violent) fashion without interference. To that end, I wish the Fractionites continued success.
Flashh Gorden Exile Consortium Nihilists Social Club	Posted - 2010.10.27 15:47:00 - [48] Well since your fighting the same people we are fighting and since your also seeking to return the area back to its former NRDS glory. Its weird but I wish you good luck for once.
Eru Velari	Posted - 2010.10.27 16:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Tekumze Wolf Jade is hardly saying that we're solely responsible for the cascade of the alliance as you remember it. Quote: The Dotlan data analysis site paints a grim picture on the impact of this conflict on the enemy alliance. With the final word going to the On the Rocks alliance description after two weeks fighting with the Star Fraction in YWS0-Z. Seems to me thats exactly what she is saying. "Not solely responsible", is even not the whole truth. Not many entities will survive the loss of space and ICE certainly would not. Insignificantly responsible is a better term. As Constantine said herself, this was seemingly a last ditch effort by ICE at turning things around, its unlikely that ICE would have survived even if they had taken the station. You cant claim victory if your enemy is allready dying.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.10.27 16:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Eru Velari You cant claim victory if your enemy is allready dying. You can if you're Jade! ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor

Evet Morrel Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 17:00:00 - [51] Edited by: Evet Morrel on 27/10/2010 17:02:32 Sure your thick as thieves, but the dates of the conflict demonstrates a clear correlation between their demise and our response. We're entitled to draw the obvious conclusion.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 17:16:00 - [52] "On the rocks" diplomats told us we had a stark choice. Sell them the Freeport TAZ Norlonto for 400m isk or they would take it and make it their new alliance home. In return we told them we'd grind their alliance into dust. A little over two weeks later their alliance closed with a membership drop of 400 to 15, the surrender of all corps bar two and the complete dissolution of combat operations. In space we crushed them utterly. While I will happily acknowledge that ICE may not have been in the best of health when it staggered to Providence and attempted to steal our Freeport. I think its beyond any credible position to claim we didn't put the gun to this alliance's head and blow its brains out in YWS0-Z. Any spin to the contrary from pre-jumped Ice-rats and the usual galnet subjects is simply laughable. Join the Revolution!
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 17:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Rodj Blake I said that Providence had been taken over by heathens, not by Minmatars nor by anti-slavery activists, nor even by anarchists. And I'm pretty sure that when Providence first fell to those heathens I predicted that the region would become an NBSI hellhole. Luckily, Loyalists are now actively reclaiming systems with the intention of returning them to NRDS. A Region is neither NBSI nor NRDS. People are. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Eru Velari	Posted - 2010.10.27 18:21:00 - [54] You can claim whatever you want. Ihve made my point, readers will draw their own conclusions. At the end of the day its pretty pointless to argue with you, so go ahead and pad yourself on the back all you want.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:56:00 - [55] I guess pedantry is still a pet peeve of mine. Originally by: Eru Velari You can claim whatever you want. Ihve made my point, readers will draw their own conclusions. At the end of the day its pretty pointless to argue with you, so go ahead and pad yourself on the back all you want. At the end of the day it's pretty pointless to try to take away from the successful defense against a sovereignty grab...especially by making so assinine a case as "they were already falling apart, so defending your space against them doesn't count.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 20:43:00 - [56] We get used to it Garreck. Some of these special fans of ours loathe the Fraction so furiously(impotently) that if we reported we'd tackled and destroyed a war target ratting battleship in a belt they'd argue passionately that the explosion had nothing to do with anarchist spaceships and it was purely because of a faulty fusion core and malfunctioning guidance thrusters that made the ship crash into a veldspar roid and spontaneously combust. The very notion that the Fraction is out there killing alliances feels these guys with a deep sense of pant-wetting unease. And rightly so Join the Revolution!
Eru Velari	Posted - 2010.10.27 20:50:00 - [57] No that was not what i was getting at at all. 9 pages discribing in detail how awesome The star Fraction is and how they made ICE sink into the darkness of oblivion seem a little excessive, for the successful defense against an allready failing alliance. You're quite a pretentious one you know, but we all allready knew that. :)
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.27 21:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Eru Velari You're quite a pretentious one you know, but we all allready knew that. :) When you feel ready to post a campaign report here about how you reduced a 400 man alliance to a 15 man shell identity in a slowly spreading field of radiactive debris I will welcome it as a good read! Join the Revolution!
tank335 Gallente Skara Admiralty Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.10.27 22:59:00 - [59] I am sure ICE's shoddy leadership and the superiority complex of SKMC members help lead to their demise
Swwils	Posted - 2010.10.28 00:55:00 - [60] SOMEONE PLEASE SUMMERISE THIS INTO ONE SENTANCE THANKYOU.

orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:05:00 - [61] tl;dr version.. SF never defended the space. PL was staged to ninja it, Ice opted not to let PL take the system and backed down. Good Fight Jade..
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:07:00 - [62] P.S. Amarr Victor! Easy Co.
Swwils	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:10:00 - [63] THX AMARR VICTOR! P.S. How goes your RP?
Amaya Kulotsuki Amarr SEPTAGON TRANS-ILLUMINATI CORPORATION Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:10:00 - [64] Amarr Victor! _________________________________ <Something witty/>
Sinjin Mokk Amarr Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:17:00 - [65] Originally by: Swwils SOMEONE PLEASE SUMMERISE THIS INTO ONE SENTANCE THANKYOU. As predicted, without anyone to enforce the law, Providence has spiraled into chaos and Star Fraction (upset at the losses they've incurred) has tried to maintain a target...I mean, a station in the middle of all this while trying to make a buck on the hard work of other groups who continue to blow up thier ships on the rare occasion they undock. whew Oh, and AMARR VICTOR! Serving the Dark Amarr
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:33:00 - [66] This third page seems to have lots of postings from "surrealist backtofrontland" where everything is topsy-turvey and the losers have turned into winners and having your alliance burned into a smoking wreck is what passes for success. Amazing Join the Revolution!
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 02:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Jade Constantine This third page seems to have lots of postings from "surrealist backtofrontland" where everything is topsy-turvey and the losers have turned into winners and having your alliance burned into a smoking wreck is what passes for success. Amazing /me puts on his robe and wizard hat. Easy Co.
Amaya Kulotsuki Amarr SEPTAGON TRANS-ILLUMINATI CORPORATION Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 02:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Concord CONCORD invalidates war declared by The Star Fraction against Important Internet Spaceship League From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.10.28 02:51 CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. We graciously accept your surrender. Amarr Victor! _________________________________ <Something witty/>
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 03:17:00 - [69] Aww. they surrendered... amarr victor! Easy Co.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.28 03:20:00 - [70] Originally by: Amaya Kulotsuki Originally by: Concord CONCORD invalidates war declared by The Star Fraction against Important Internet Spaceship League From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.10.28 02:51 CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. We graciously accept your surrender. Amarr Victor! We rather expected Grandis Fustis to make good on his threats on your behalf for endless wardecs and harrassment against the Fraction. I think its a bit rich to expect us to pay for you to "harrass" us. Only reason you got a bit of a wardec was taking in an "rocks" successor corp as a technicality of the wardec system. Still. You have the option to make good on his boasts ... or not. Join the Revolution!

orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 03:36:00 - [71] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Amaya Kulotsuki Originally by: Concord CONCORD invalidates war declared by The Star Fraction against Important Internet Spaceship League From: CONCORD Sent: 2010.10.28 02:51 CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. We graciously accept your surrender. Amarr Victor! Oh the harassment will continue.. Amarr Victor! We rather expected Grandis Fustis to make good on his threats on your behalf for endless wardecs and harrassment against the Fraction. I think its a bit rich to expect us to pay for you to "harrass" us. Only reason you got a bit of a wardec was taking in an "rocks" successor corp as a technicality of the wardec system. Still. You have the option to make good on his boasts ... or not. Easy Co.
UberDeathDealer Steel Fleet Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 06:16:00 - [72] rabble rabble rabble rabble..... Jade Constantine tears... OP sucess!! rabble rabble rabble rabble.. KILL stuffs!!!
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.28 09:06:00 - [73] Really? Sounds to me like it's people from BDEAL who are emotionally upset, not Star Fraction. Perhaps counselling would help these pilots work through their issues.
Eru Velari	Posted - 2010.10.28 12:22:00 - [74] Originally by: tank335 I am sure ICE's shoddy leadership and the superiority complex of SKMC members help lead to their demise Oh taaank, People in glass houses... It never ceases to amaze how the worst CEO of the worst corporation to have been in ICE continue to throw rocks at SKMC and ICE even after they have disbanded. Now who will you be barking on CAOD about? Its not a superiority complex if you are as terrible as you are thought of. Deal with it.
Alveolus Core Synthesis Unlimited	Posted - 2010.10.28 12:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Swwils SOMEONE PLEASE SUMMERISE THIS INTO ONE SENTANCE THANKYOU. "I have difficulty arranging 'a' and 'e' correctly, so choose to shout through it." You're welcome. As regards the OP, I send my congratulations to the Star Fraction on what appears to be a truly flawless campaign. Of course, the haters will continue to hate and the doubters will continue to doubt whilst the Fraction appears to continue apace. Admirable indeed. All the best in your future endeavours, Star Fraction. Keep the dream alive, and I look forward to reading more interesting battle reports (from all sides) in the coming months. Attia Alveolus CEO & Founder Core Synthesis Unlimited
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.10.28 15:14:00 - [76] Edited by: Zverofaust on 28/10/2010 15:16:26 Can we get a tl;dr please? Also I'm interested in knowing the copyright status of that image used at the beginning of this transmission and whether the use and modification of it by Jade Constantine has been legally attained. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.28 15:27:00 - [77] Is it my imagination or is every pilot who was cheering for an "On the Rocks" victory now stuck with chronic reading disability? Join the Revolution!
UberDeathDealer Steel Fleet Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.28 17:17:00 - [78] Originally by: Borza Slavak Really? Sounds to me like it's people from BDEAL who are emotionally upset, not Star Fraction. Perhaps counselling would help these pilots work through their issues. oh yea... so upset we are gonna disband... also i heard posting twice in a jade RP tears thread was LEET!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.28 17:21:00 - [79] You internet spaceships people appear to lack thread recognition at level 1. Only tears in this thread from your side. Join the Revolution!
Swwils	Posted - 2010.10.28 18:49:00 - [80] Edited by: Swwils on 28/10/2010 18:50:58 Not everyone likes to read the prose of roleplayer in an MMO.

Hori To Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.10.28 19:07:00 - [81] they shouldn't be reading up on the intergalactic summit then. Good work SF \o/
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.28 19:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Swwils Not everyone likes to read the prose of roleplayer in an MMO. I think I can speak for everyone on the summit when I say I have absolutely no idea what you are babbling about. Join the Revolution!
Vendrin Caldari Stimulus	Posted - 2010.10.29 02:20:00 - [83] An entertaining read Constantine. Here's hoping the port stays free. Far to few places of free business in 0.0.
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.29 03:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Vendrin An entertaining read Constantine. Here's hoping the port stays free. Far to few places of free business in 0.0. It will burn :) Easy Co.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.29 15:15:00 - [85] I'm sure the Freeport will eventually fall into the hands of regressive NSBI dogs intent on closing the docking ramps and denying access to neutrals and free commerce. That outcome was never really in doubt. What else is not in doubt is that whoever Internet Spaceships find to import and act as "holders" for the fallen Freeport will die in droves and face the vengeance of radical freespacers for the duration of their occupation. We in the Fraction will punish the enemies of freedom whenever they are found, whether it be "on the rocks" style aggression or hiding from our vengeance in the Ammatar constellations of Gamis and surrounding systems. A price will be paid for bringing the darkness of closed-border xenophobia to taint the liberation of Providence. Join the Revolution!
Thorvik Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.29 15:34:00 - [86] Well done SF! You would think that providing a place for neutrals to come in and trade would be a good thing for pilots who like to shoot at things? All of this for free!
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.10.29 16:05:00 - [87] Originally by: orphenshadow Originally by: Vendrin An entertaining read Constantine. Here's hoping the port stays free. Far to few places of free business in 0.0. It will burn :) Such mindlessness. It's a free space system and station, and as such can be exploited by almost anyone without any need to seize sovereignty there or bear its associated costs. Some groups just love stroking their space-egos too much I suppose.
DJ Obsidian New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2010.10.29 20:33:00 - [88] Originally by: Swwils SOMEONE PLEASE SUMMERISE THIS INTO ONE SENTANCE THANKYOU. People put up SBUs to attack star fraction systems. Star fraction spends some 10 bill to hire mercs with super capitals to defend them. Mercs get bored and leave, Ice and allies take down sbu Fraction gets system back Fraction emo rages and sends out a ton of war decs, judging from the amount they have the next one will cost them 600 mill. What have we learned? SF has a ton of isk to waste, prolly more than the NC and IT.
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.29 21:13:00 - [89] Just to be clear. Predator Elite never said those things to me, so I do question where you're gathering up these quotes from. If you make up things that were not said, then naturally I question what else you'd make up. Also, he isn't an 'ex' of mine. (not that it matters for your propaganda piece, I suppose) However, since I'm here, I will jump on the bandwagon and shout out a good ole "Amarr Victor". - Shalee
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.30 08:20:00 - [90] The station will eventually fall. Providence no longer requires the freeport with the opening of Chribba's cottage. Besides, Jade tears are fun, even if you cant understand a word of them. Easy Co.

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.30 13:33:00 - [91] Originally by: DJ Obsidian Star fraction spends some 10 bill to hire mercs with super capitals to defend them. Mercs get bored and leave, Ice and allies take down sbu Well against some stiff competition I think you have earned the most clueless post in the thread award DJ Obsidian. Clearly we hired some mercs to come along and knock our station shields down to 25% from 95% we'd been repping for five hours. What a great play! Also, I don't know who you are talking too - but if your definition of "take down sbu" is "don't dare to show their faces while SF destroys them" then you might be closer to the mark. I suggest you stop listening to ICE apologists and take a look at the combat records and dotlan alliance assessments yourself in the future. As for the eventual fate of TAZ Norlonto Freeport outpost I am sure it will fall to the regressive NBSI hordes of the New Providence "supreme big hat council". But I'm also sure we'll get our 25b isk worth of damage out of whoever else tries to steal it. We managed about 4.7 from ICE before they disbanded, we're at 2.8 from TG (in a week) at this rate it'll only take about 5 dead alliances to pay for our outpost and I guess everyone will be happy. Who knows maybe we'll hit 25b before you guys steal it. Lots of freighters moving around Join the Revolution!
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.31 01:39:00 - [92] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: DJ Obsidian Star fraction spends some 10 bill to hire mercs with super capitals to defend them. Mercs get bored and leave, Ice and allies take down sbu Well against some stiff competition I think you have earned the most clueless post in the thread award DJ Obsidian. Clearly we hired some mercs to come along and knock our station shields down to 25% from 95% we'd been repping for five hours. What a great play! Also, I don't know who you are talking too - but if your definition of "take down sbu" is "don't dare to show their faces while SF destroys them" then you might be closer to the mark. I suggest you stop listening to ICE apologists and take a look at the combat records and dotlan alliance assessments yourself in the future. As for the eventual fate of TAZ Norlonto Freeport outpost I am sure it will fall to the regressive NBSI hordes of the New Providence "supreme big hat council". But I'm also sure we'll get our 25b isk worth of damage out of whoever else tries to steal it. We managed about 4.7 from ICE before they disbanded, we're at 2.8 from TG (in a week) at this rate it'll only take about 5 dead alliances to pay for our outpost and I guess everyone will be happy. Who knows maybe we'll hit 25b before you guys steal it. Lots of freighters moving around You are calculating your own ship loss's in those figures right? And not just blowing smoke out of your ass? serious question. Easy Co.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.31 04:38:00 - [93] Its punitive damages inflicted against the various entities who involved themselves in the attempted theft of a Freespace Outpost. Current combined total is around 8.7b isk inflicted (towards one objective of 25b). Far more productive than accepting your paltry 400m isk offer I think you will agree. Everybody knows the Fraction is pretty well-off iskwise / this is about punishing your pets and teaching them the hidden costs of Providence politics. Join the Revolution!
Eran Mintor Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.10.31 11:12:00 - [94] I'm curious where Star Fraction gets it's capital from. You are wealthy, but I don't see where the ISK is coming from as your corporate operations are pretty minute when it comes to making a profit. My guess is you have acquired many "PLEX" cards to sell on the market, is this in any way accurate? ------------------------------------------------ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
orphenshadow Gallente Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.31 11:27:00 - [95] Originally by: Jade Constantine Its punitive damages inflicted against the various entities who involved themselves in the attempted theft of a Freespace Outpost. Current combined total is around 8.7b isk inflicted (towards one objective of 25b). Far more productive than accepting your paltry 400m isk offer I think you will agree. Everybody knows the Fraction is pretty well-off iskwise / this is about punishing your pets and teaching them the hidden costs of Providence politics. So, thats a "no" then. Thank you for clarifying. Easy Co.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.31 15:24:00 - [96] The race-traitor Mintor has clearly not read the true knowledge of the Star Fraction topic that contains the answers for all his questions. While its doubtless to late to save his reputation in any practical form he might at least avoid the appearance of ignorance on this summit by doing a little basic research before opening his deceitful mouth in the future. Join the Revolution!
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.10.31 17:25:00 - [97] Probably because you wrote it and as always it's a rambling mess.
Frederick Garrish Gallente The Devil's Eyes	Posted - 2010.11.01 00:20:00 - [98] Good day, Star Fraction. I speak on behalf of The Devil's Eyes, a former member of NUKE. We have dropped our alliance, because we wish to make decisions as a corporation so that it would have no impact on anything NUKE decides. For ourselves, with no disrespect to NUKE, an upcoming great alliance. We were part of the campaign to take TAZ from you guys, recruited by ICE and TG. ICE disbanded shortly after our engagement, so I did not get to know them well, so I will speak nothing of them. Knowing more about your campaign, and ideals, I will submit that your enemies ideals do not coincide with our own. We do not condone slavery, and free trade is always a plus. I have grown a respect for your alliance, and some of your key members, and have enjoyed the impartial diplomatic proceedings. You have been very fair. However, to end this war, you would like us to apologize for our part in the attack. I do not feel it is necessary to pat you guys on the back. The results of your campaign should be enough. You are an alliance with a name for itself, and have a reputation throughout the entire galaxy. That is what we want for our corp as well. You say apologizing is sensible, but it is always a sign of weakness. We were offered to be part of a glorious campaign. It however has not been glorious, and I feel as if key information was not provided. Knowing what we know now, would we go back and be a part of it again? No I think not. But we will not apologize for attempting to make a name for ourselves, to be part of something glorious. We will surrender, and wish you luck in your endevours. And admit, we were in the wrong. I know this is not what you want, I just hope it will be enough to gain your respect and come to a mutual understanding. We have lost, and we bow our heads in respect. That, my friends is the best I can offer you at this time.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.01 00:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Frederick Garrish Good day, Star Fraction. I speak on behalf of The Devil's Eyes, a former member of NUKE. We have dropped our alliance, because we wish to make decisions as a corporation so that it would have no impact on anything NUKE decides. For ourselves, with no disrespect to NUKE, an upcoming great alliance. We were part of the campaign to take TAZ from you guys, recruited by ICE and TG. ICE disbanded shortly after our engagement, so I did not get to know them well, so I will speak nothing of them. Knowing more about your campaign, and ideals, I will submit that your enemies ideals do not coincide with our own. We do not condone slavery, and free trade is always a plus. I have grown a respect for your alliance, and some of your key members, and have enjoyed the impartial diplomatic proceedings. You have been very fair. However, to end this war, you would like us to apologize for our part in the attack. I do not feel it is necessary to pat you guys on the back. The results of your campaign should be enough. You are an alliance with a name for itself, and have a reputation throughout the entire galaxy. That is what we want for our corp as well. You say apologizing is sensible, but it is always a sign of weakness. We were offered to be part of a glorious campaign. It however has not been glorious, and I feel as if key information was not provided. Knowing what we know now, would we go back and be a part of it again? No I think not. But we will not apologize for attempting to make a name for ourselves, to be part of something glorious. We will surrender, and wish you luck in your endevours. And admit, we were in the wrong. I know this is not what you want, I just hope it will be enough to gain your respect and come to a mutual understanding. We have lost, and we bow our heads in respect. That, my friends is the best I can offer you at this time. On behalf of the Free Captains of the Star Fraction I accept your surrender and request for a return to neutral standings Captain Garrish. You have clearly learned a lot over the past weeks and have come to know the people you were set to fight by "Rocks" and their masters in the Supreme Providence Big Hat Council were not as they were described, helpless, weak and ripe for the picking. Yet there is strength in knowing when to shake hands and end a war as well. And in this I'm content that matters between our organizations may now return to profitable neutrality and I wish you well in your future endeavours. Be assured that when the sanctioned war timer has elapsed "The Devil's Eyes" will be neutral to the star fraction and your ships will pass without hostility from our continuing patrols and campaign against the race-traitors and turncoats of Teutonic guard and their creatures in G-5 system. I acknowledge your words and contrition and wish you well in pursuing the destiny you seek on the frontier. Dare to dream Captain Garrish. And always distrust imperialism. Join the Revolution!
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.01 02:29:00 - [100] Just confirming that they have, in fact, been re-set to neutral. Also, a notice has been posted in the Star Fraction private communications system informing all pilots to cease aggression against this corporation. Claire XXX

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.01 13:19:00 - [101] Originally by: lucifers widow Probably because you wrote it and as always it's a rambling mess. The more likely hypothesis is that neither he, nor you (his creature) are capable of understanding any concept more profound than "here is a slaver's boot - kiss it." Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.11.01 18:19:00 - [102] Confirming that Lucifer's Widow is not Eran's 'creature' nor does he have a boot licking foot fetish. Try again.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.01 18:38:00 - [103] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/11/2010 18:43:57 Originally by: Shalee Lianne Confirming that Lucifer's Widow is not Eran's 'creature' nor does he have a boot licking foot fetish. Try again. If I ever need commentary from the resident 24th crusade camp-follower-in-chief I'll let you know. Until then get back to servicing the latest in your string of Huola-bound lovers and leave the discussion of actual campaigns to those with the independence of spirit to attempt anything in this universe beyond lurid melodrama and flushing hysterics. Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.11.01 18:51:00 - [104] 'Lurid melodrama'? That is laughable, coming from you. The IGS is fraught with declarations of love and your personal life, and so on and so on. If anyone makes a spectacle of themselves around here, it is you, not I. And in the 'spirit of freedom', I'll comment as I see fit, Miss Constantine whether you like it or not, especially when you're out-right lying or speaking ill of my friends. I know you're likely to respond with some sort of rubbish, personal insults, or what-have-you, but I assure you I really, really don't care what you have to say about me. Your opinion means little, if anything at all to me.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.01 19:20:00 - [105] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/11/2010 19:25:57 Originally by: Shalee Lianne And in the 'spirit of freedom'... cuts off the red-faced posturing slaver harlot's nonsensical broadcast with the slightest gesture. Get out of my thread you ridiculous woman and grow up - the Amarrian Empire is a dungheap and you are down on your knees paying lip-service to the dung-beetles. Seek a little self respect before you embarrass yourself in public again. Join the Revolution!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.11.01 20:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Jade Constantine [Get out of my thread you ridiculous woman and grow up [MESSAGE ERROR: TRANSLITERATION UNAVAILABLE - AUDIO ONLY] ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.01 21:06:00 - [107] Removed an OOC link Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Aldrith Shutaq Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.11.01 21:36:00 - [108] Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq on 01/11/2010 21:45:31 Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq on 01/11/2010 21:44:00 Aldrith appears half-asleep and with messy, untied long hair, having just woken up. Oh dear, it happened. I had the staple-gun dream. For some reason there was also a Gallente pop singer eating a bowl of cereal whilst riding a purple zebra in the background. It must have some deep subconscious meaning but alas, I do not possess the degree in psycho-analysis necessary to decipher it. Would anyone here like to have a try at the interpretation? He smiles amicably. Anyway Jade, I would not let Crown Lianne get to you too much. Even I am only now beginning to find a taste for her delightful brand of out-spoken banter; I assure you, once you get used to it it's really quite enjoyable. However, Shalee's points about bitter personal attacks aside (you know, the ones you did not listen to before you cut the feed), you did manage to get some shots in about our beloved homeland and the ideals of the Knighthood she serves. Since obviously I cannot fulfill my deep desire to make the cluster a better place one well-placed staple at a time, I was wondering if you would humor me and answer a simple question so that we can get away from this ugly mud-slinging. Do you, Jade Constantine, believe that the Empre as a society has the potential to change for the better without the need for you, The Star Fraction and others to inflict violence upon its capsuleers, navy and people? I eagerly await your response. If you say something intelligent enough it might prevent this dream I've had from becoming reoccurring.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.02 01:30:00 - [109] Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq Do you, Jade Constantine, believe that the Empre as a society has the potential to change for the better without the need for you, The Star Fraction and others to inflict violence upon its capsuleers, navy and people? A question I'll be happy to answer in an appropriate thread. Post a thread of your own on this topic and you will receive your answer. In the meantime stop attempting to derail this campaign discussion thread with off topic commentary from your members. Operation Icebreaker has nothing to do with Knighthood of the Merciful Crown. Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.11.02 02:10:00 - [110] Then perhaps you shouldn't have mentioned us first, hmm?

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.02 03:39:00 - [111] Perhaps you should have kept the idle speculation over the fate of our outpost out of the public memoirs on your latest 24th crusade sexual conquests. Now be a good doxy and scram. Join the Revolution!
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.11.02 04:43:00 - [112] I've no public memoirs.
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.02 14:29:00 - [113] Originally by: Shalee Lianne I've no public memoirs. Then maybe you should set your private memoirs to private, and not allow everyone who wants a good laugh at your expense the ability to read them. Just saying. Claire XXX
Zylithi Caldari X.T.R. OWTBS Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.02 16:46:00 - [114] Today is a glorious day for NUKE, indeed. The well-paid industrial pilots of NUKE have stepped up to the plate and have become fully-fledged, well-paid mercenary pilots of the Military branch of NUKE. Although fairly inexperienced with standard military protocols, and very much fresh out of the tube nurseries of Caldari space, these mercenary pilots took it upon themselves, in light of seemingly narcissistic and questionably dishonorable military tactics, to move their combat vessels down to Gamis to assist their brothers and sisters in need from the scandalous bribery of Star Fraction to CONCORD. Indeed, we have suffered numerous losses, but these mercenary pilots are becoming quite adept at military protocols. Indeed, it is quite true that we have scored only a minor victory, reducing a Star Fraction Abaddon to rubble (Killboard link). However, the morale of our mercenary pilots have majorly increased, and we predict the balance of this scandalous CONCORD bribery empire war will begin to shift ever slowly. Indeed, there are hard times to come. However, the mercenary pilots do not forget. They do not forgive. Star Fraction shall be reduced to rubble for their scandalous CONCORD bribery.
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:14:00 - [115] Originally by: Zylithi Today is a glorious day for NUKE, indeed. The well-paid industrial pilots of NUKE have stepped up to the plate and have become fully-fledged, well-paid mercenary pilots of the Military branch of NUKE. Although fairly inexperienced with standard military protocols, and very much fresh out of the tube nurseries of Caldari space, these mercenary pilots took it upon themselves, in light of seemingly narcissistic and questionably dishonorable military tactics, to move their combat vessels down to Gamis to assist their brothers and sisters in need from the scandalous bribery of Star Fraction to CONCORD. Indeed, we have suffered numerous losses, but these mercenary pilots are becoming quite adept at military protocols. Indeed, it is quite true that we have scored only a minor victory, reducing a Star Fraction Abaddon to rubble (Killboard link). However, the morale of our mercenary pilots have majorly increased, and we predict the balance of this scandalous CONCORD bribery empire war will begin to shift ever slowly. Indeed, there are hard times to come. However, the mercenary pilots do not forget. They do not forgive. Star Fraction shall be reduced to rubble for their scandalous CONCORD bribery. 35 kills and 1 loss for the pilots of The Star Fraction against OWTBS. 105 kills and 11 losses for the pilots of The Star Fraction against your combined alliances. I say bring it if you think you can. Fly Dangerous, Claire XXX
Caius	Posted - 2010.11.02 18:33:00 - [116] Edited by: Caius on 02/11/2010 18:37:10 Quote: Today is a glorious day for NUKE, indeed. The well-paid industrial pilots of NUKE have stepped up to the plate and have become fully-fledged, well-paid mercenary pilots of the Military branch of NUKE. Although fairly inexperienced with standard military protocols, and very much fresh out of the tube nurseries of Caldari space, these mercenary pilots took it upon themselves, in light of seemingly narcissistic and questionably dishonorable military tactics, to move their combat vessels down to Gamis to assist their brothers and sisters in need from the scandalous bribery of Star Fraction to CONCORD. Indeed, we have suffered numerous losses, but these mercenary pilots are becoming quite adept at military protocols. Indeed, it is quite true that we have scored only a minor victory, reducing a Star Fraction Abaddon to rubble (Killboard link). However, the morale of our mercenary pilots have majorly increased, and we predict the balance of this scandalous CONCORD bribery empire war will begin to shift ever slowly. Indeed, there are hard times to come. However, the mercenary pilots do not forget. They do not forgive. Star Fraction shall be reduced to rubble for their scandalous CONCORD bribery. If you feel this way, then why not make the war dec mutual? and one ship does not a war make.
Zylithi Caldari X.T.R. OWTBS Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:12:00 - [117] For those who associate value to things by ticking a line on a chalk board, yes, 1 ship is quite insignificant. A blip on the radar. However, in this case, some lines are bigger than the others, such as that, if one was to collect the total amount of chalk between the two sides, it would be found they are nearly equal. Indeed, to what end would making the war mutual suffice? The unwise Star Fraction were the nefarious characters who, in their infinite wisdom, decided to one-up the opposition, and bribe CONCORD so that they could attack NUKE in high security space. Star Fraction were the ones who decided this, and as such, they shall be stuck with the handling of dirty money.
Azure Skyclad Amarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:37:00 - [118] Originally by: Zylithi For those who associate value to things by ticking a line on a chalk board, yes, 1 ship is quite insignificant. A blip on the radar. However, in this case, some lines are bigger than the others, such as that, if one was to collect the total amount of chalk between the two sides, it would be found they are nearly equal. Indeed, to what end would making the war mutual suffice? The unwise Star Fraction were the nefarious characters who, in their infinite wisdom, decided to one-up the opposition, and bribe CONCORD so that they could attack NUKE in high security space. Star Fraction were the ones who decided this, and as such, they shall be stuck with the handling of dirty money. It's easier to refer to the current situation as reaping what you sow. Trying to dress up a turd just leaves a turd wearing a ribbon. And don't forget NUKE, it's a turd of your own making. Y'all have fun y'hear? http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Zylithi Caldari X.T.R. OWTBS Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:45:00 - [119] Originally by: Azure Skyclad Originally by: Zylithi For those who associate value to things by ticking a line on a chalk board, yes, 1 ship is quite insignificant. A blip on the radar. However, in this case, some lines are bigger than the others, such as that, if one was to collect the total amount of chalk between the two sides, it would be found they are nearly equal. Indeed, to what end would making the war mutual suffice? The unwise Star Fraction were the nefarious characters who, in their infinite wisdom, decided to one-up the opposition, and bribe CONCORD so that they could attack NUKE in high security space. Star Fraction were the ones who decided this, and as such, they shall be stuck with the handling of dirty money. It's easier to refer to the current situation as reaping what you sow. Trying to dress up a turd just leaves a turd wearing a ribbon. And don't forget NUKE, it's a turd of your own making. Y'all have fun y'hear? The poopsmith would disagree.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:38:00 - [120] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/11/2010 20:46:15 Originally by: Zylithi Today is a glorious day for NUKE, indeed. The well-paid industrial pilots of NUKE have stepped up to the plate and have become fully-fledged, well-paid mercenary pilots of the Military branch of NUKE. Although fairly inexperienced with standard military protocols, and very much fresh out of the tube nurseries of Caldari space, these mercenary pilots took it upon themselves, in light of seemingly narcissistic and questionably dishonorable military tactics, to move their combat vessels down to Gamis to assist their brothers and sisters in need from the scandalous bribery of Star Fraction to CONCORD. Indeed, we have suffered numerous losses, but these mercenary pilots are becoming quite adept at military protocols. Indeed, it is quite true that we have scored only a minor victory, reducing a Star Fraction Abaddon to rubble (Killboard link). However, the morale of our mercenary pilots have majorly increased, and we predict the balance of this scandalous CONCORD bribery empire war will begin to shift ever slowly. Indeed, there are hard times to come. However, the mercenary pilots do not forget. They do not forgive. Star Fraction shall be reduced to rubble for their scandalous CONCORD bribery. I for one pay full respect to the mercenary forces of OWTBS alliance and their achievement in destroying a Star Fraction Abaddon class Battleship in Gamis System. In downing a front line Fraction battleship you have achieved more in a few minutes than your partners in the race-traitor alliance Teutonic Guard - have achieved in weeks. So respect where it is due. You have considered your position and decided not to surrender and apologize for your part in the ill-fated "Rocks" offensive on YWS0-Z and we will honour your decision with warfare and violence until the matter is resolved to our satisfaction. This is how matters go on the frontier. At the time of writing we have achieved around 9.5b isk of punitive damages against our foes from the 25b billion which will mark the accomplishment of objective two in our campaigning - I trust your membership will make up some of that total in the weeks and months ahead. Join the Revolution!

Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.03 20:35:00 - [121] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/11/2010 20:46:15 Originally by: Zylithi Today is a glorious day for NUKE, indeed. The well-paid industrial pilots of NUKE have stepped up to the plate and have become fully-fledged, well-paid mercenary pilots of the Military branch of NUKE. Although fairly inexperienced with standard military protocols, and very much fresh out of the tube nurseries of Caldari space, these mercenary pilots took it upon themselves, in light of seemingly narcissistic and questionably dishonorable military tactics, to move their combat vessels down to Gamis to assist their brothers and sisters in need from the scandalous bribery of Star Fraction to CONCORD. Indeed, we have suffered numerous losses, but these mercenary pilots are becoming quite adept at military protocols. Indeed, it is quite true that we have scored only a minor victory, reducing a Star Fraction Abaddon to rubble. However, the morale of our mercenary pilots have majorly increased, and we predict the balance of this scandalous CONCORD bribery empire war will begin to shift ever slowly. Indeed, there are hard times to come. However, the mercenary pilots do not forget. They do not forgive. Star Fraction shall be reduced to rubble for their scandalous CONCORD bribery. CONCORD OOC censor applied. Zymurgist I for one pay full respect to the mercenary forces of OWTBS alliance and their achievement in destroying a Star Fraction Abaddon class Battleship in Gamis System. In downing a front line Fraction battleship you have achieved more in a few minutes than your partners in the race-traitor alliance Teutonic Guard - have achieved in weeks. So respect where it is due. You have considered your position and decided not to surrender and apologize for your part in the ill-fated "Rocks" offensive on YWS0-Z and we will honour your decision with warfare and violence until the matter is resolved to our satisfaction. This is how matters go on the frontier. At the time of writing we have achieved around 9.5b isk of punitive damages against our foes from the 25b billion which will mark the accomplishment of objective two in our campaigning - I trust your membership will make up some of that total in the weeks and months ahead. The dream lives! <3 A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.11.06 04:45:00 - [122] Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 06/11/2010 04:52:05 Ok, im going to keep this short. The route NUKE has taken does not reflect the interests of my corp and they path they are taking we cannot follow. As of this moment RONA has set everyone back to neutral and are leaving. We thank the SF for some fights and helping us to remember what empire war was like. We wish our former opponents are fruitful in their endeavors and fly safely. Also Jade, you may want to tell some of your pilots to really stop the smack talk in system local, it doesn't make your corporation and alliance look that good.
dccbx Minmatar X.T.R. OWTBS Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.06 06:33:00 - [123] To whom it may concern I dccbx leader of the allaince owtbs is leaving the area to follow a contract of a different part of 0.0 we have learnt that we should not get invoulded in a war that we have no business in being apart of we are asking that we have standings return to netural and ask that the war deck finish, as we will not be staying in the area any further, further more those resonsible for exucalting this war further will have the apporite action taken againist them. Sorry for the lateness of this letter Jade looking forward to talking to you soon Kind Regards Dccbx
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.06 13:55:00 - [124] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Ok, im going to keep this short. The route NUKE has taken does not reflect the interests of my corp and they path they are taking we cannot follow. As of this moment RONA has set everyone back to neutral and are leaving. We thank the SF for some fights and helping us to remember what empire war was like. We also apologize for our part in helping ICE and those others in their efforts to invade your space. We wish our former opponents are fruitful in their endeavors and fly safely. Also Jade, you may want to tell some of your pilots to really stop the smack talk in system local, it doesn't make your corporation and alliance look that good. On behalf of the Free Captains of the Star Fraction I accept your apology and surrender Obsidian Hawk. We consider the damages we have inflicted on your corporation already in this war to be sufficient recompense for your role in the "On the Rocks" offensive against the Freeport TAZ Norlonto and so your words here will draw a line under the issue and we will be returning you to neutral standings once the war status cooldown elapses. I advise your pilots to excercise due caution until this time. As for local taunts and hot comments, I think you must forgive the impression many of our pilots gained that by your association with race-traitors and turncoats you had inherited more of that foul stink that you actually had. In the future I wish you well, and urge you to fight for Free space and fair causes rather than regressive imperialism when next you strike out onto the frontier. Originally by: dccbx To whom it may concern I dccbx leader of the allaince owtbs is leaving the area to follow a contract of a different part of 0.0 we have learnt that we should not get invoulded in a war that we have no business in being apart of we are asking that we have standings return to netural and ask that the war deck finish, as we will not be staying in the area any further, further more those resonsible for exucalting this war further will have the apporite action taken againist them. Sorry for the lateness of this letter Jade looking forward to talking to you soon Kind Regards Dccbx Further to our conversation a week ago I accept your words as appropriate contrition and given the damage your alliance has already suffered in the war with the Free Captains we feel it is appropriate no further punitive damage be inflicted. You have paid your portion for the attack on TAZ Norlonto and in light of your decision to renounce associations with "On the Rocks" and "Teutonic Guard" and seek a future elsewhere in New Eden, I have ordered the retraction of the war and will be returning your alliance to neutral standings when the war cooldown has elapsed. I wish you well in your own punitive adventures against tyrants on the frontier. And as I said to Obsidian Hawk, I strongly urge you to find common cause with Freedom rather than imperialist delusion in the future. Space is free for the bold of heart, don't let anybody tell you different. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.06 14:12:00 - [125] As an update: To date our campaigns of retribution "ICEBREAKER" and "NUKING THE RACE TRAITORS" have inflicted a combined total of 12.36b isk on those forces that dared stretch their diseased hands against the Freespace Outpost TAZ Norlonto. This leaves us mid way to the next milestone of our campaign, but with plenty of blood yet to be shed. Having closed the book on "Rocks" alliance (deceased) and "NUKE" alliance (surrendered/withdrawn) we continue our attack on the race-traitors of Teutonic Guard in their Gamis and Providence nests and we today enlarge our target selection by the addition of Adeptus Arbites alliance who have announced themselves as "pets" of Teutonic Guard in G-5EN2 system Providence. Little is known about this entity save the colourful name of its premier combat corporation ... "Demons of the Murdering God" and its doubtful reputation of as "pets" of the providence "pets" and while we struggle to understand exactly how one can pledge pet status under the sway of a dungbeetle I'm sure the next weeks will prove illuminating. We give fair warning that any corporation or alliance that fights alongside Teutonic Guard runs the same risks as Teutonic Guard does itself. We have long memories and a love of battle in the Fraction. It may be the promise of golden asteroids and platinum bounty complexes in G-5EN2 system are more costly than described. Join the Revolution!
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.11.06 15:06:00 - [126] Originally by: Jade Constantine As an update: To date our campaigns of retribution "ICEBREAKER" and "NUKING THE RACE TRAITORS" have inflicted a combined total of 12.36b isk on those forces that dared stretch their diseased hands against the Freespace Outpost TAZ Norlonto. This leaves us mid way to the next milestone of our campaign, but with plenty of blood yet to be shed. Having closed the book on "Rocks" alliance (deceased) and "NUKE" alliance (surrendered/withdrawn) we continue our attack on the race-traitors of Teutonic Guard in their Gamis and Providence nests and we today enlarge our target selection by the addition of Adeptus Arbites alliance who have announced themselves as "pets" of Teutonic Guard in G-5EN2 system Providence. Little is known about this entity save the colourful name of its premier combat corporation ... "Demons of the Murdering God" and its doubtful reputation of as "pets" of the providence "pets" and while we struggle to understand exactly how one can pledge pet status under the sway of a dungbeetle I'm sure the next weeks will prove illuminating. We give fair warning that any corporation or alliance that fights alongside Teutonic Guard runs the same risks as Teutonic Guard does itself. We have long memories and a love of battle in the Fraction. It may be the promise of golden asteroids and platinum bounty complexes in G-5EN2 system are more costly than described. I enjoy you point your aggression towards Teutonic Guard even though TG shows up to fleets and fights to fend off Evoke from your very doorstep. You waste ships, resources, and energy on both sides with your selfish campaign while the greater enemy knocks on your very door and sits on your porch. Whenever you decide to get on the same page as the rest of your region and contribute to something meaningful, you know our communication channels. Until then Jade Constantine.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.06 15:16:00 - [127] Originally by: Kimsemus I enjoy you point your aggression towards Teutonic Guard even though TG shows up to fleets and fights to fend off Evoke from your very doorstep. You waste ships, resources, and energy on both sides with your selfish campaign while the greater enemy knocks on your very door and sits on your porch. Whenever you decide to get on the same page as the rest of your region and contribute to something meaningful, you know our communication channels. Until then Jade Constantine. A little over six weeks ago the Supreme Providence "big hat" council informed the Free Captains of the Star Fraction that you were intending to steal our outpost unless we accepted the paltry and insulting "offer" of 400m isk. We have since been told by the big dogs (BDEAL) of the "big hat" council that they still intend to steal our outpost. We are currently fighting the alliance Teutonic Guard that not only betrayed us, they also betrayed our allies in the Ushra'khan, the only other entity in Providence who actually constructed their own outposts rather than simply moving in like thieves in the night. And you have the temerity to come here and extort us to put aside our recent memories and full understanding of Providence treachery to fight at your side against another aggressor? You attempted to steal our 25b isk asset in YWS0-Z. We considered the asset lost and resolved in open council to take back the sum from the wrecked ships of the traitors and turncoat weaklings that made the filthy compact in the "big hat" council behind our backs. Have you no shame. Seriously. If you put a knife in somebody's back and somehow fail to kill them don't come round publicly begging for charity six weeks later. Join the Revolution!
Louis deGuerre Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets	Posted - 2010.11.07 01:50:00 - [128] Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 07/11/2010 01:55:48 My congratulations on successfully defending your system. While we are a member of Providence NIP we have not and will not assist in assaulting another member's space. So we (formerly known as Shock an Awe) wish to make it clear that we were not involved in this attack in any way. We are not powerful enough to intervene if it happens, but had we even known about it we'd have send you warning. I rather expect but do not know for certain that the same goes for other members of the Providence NIP. We still see Providence as one of the last places where small alliances can live, grow and fight without being under the oppressive rule of a super alliance overlord. There might be betrayal, backstabbing and blood on the walls, but it's still the best place to live and long may it remain so. As long as that freedom remains we will fight any outside force to keep that flame burning. That all said, if you had actually helped defend Providence more actively, you might not have made yourself such an attractive looking victim. Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
Wingnuut Gallente Cryo Innovations Teutonic Guard	Posted - 2010.11.07 04:58:00 - [129] Official Message From the President Of Teutonic Guard, Dear Capsuleers of EVE, I believe it is time for me to speak upin regards to the conflict in Providence; namely, the conflict between The Star Fraction and Teutonic Guard Alliance. I need to clear up some details since this thread is completely about us. It all started with The Final Stand Alliance. After many weeks in trying to help them hold and upgrade G-5, key members of TFS thought it would be neat to begin opening recruiting members out of Teutonic Guard. Now, please understand we tried to work out our issues with The Final Stand. We went as far to contact DÆK regarding many issues we had with The Final Stand. DÆK told us to do nothing and that they would deal with the issues we had TFS after this great war in Providence. We, then, backed off and continued to take verbal abuse from key members in TFS. Please understand that every CEO has a breaking point; war was the very last option we had against TFS. When war was declared, DÆK, of course, reset us. Naturally, we needed to look for new allies. We got more support from the folks in Providence than ever. The reason for the support was that TFS didnÆt show up for a lot of operations in Providence. My tiny alliance was there all the time, defending DÆK space. And because of our issues with TFS, we got reset. Naturally, we were asked to join the other side. Anyone in our position would have done the exact same thing. So, with DÆK resetting TG and us being at war with TFS, we were labeled as traitors. So be it; I did what had to be done. LetÆs discuss the ICE alliance and Teutonic Guard's involvement. The Providence coalition and Teutonic Guard hot-dropped ICE while ICE was attacking Star Fraction's Freedom station. TG had no intentions of becoming friends with ICE during that engagement. After ICE's forces were removed from the field, the ICE diplo contacted the Providence council and explained their intentions. To make a long story short, there was an agreement made to remove Star Fraction from Providence due to the fact they never showed face to provide support to the coalition. That same evening, the fleet that hot- dropped ICE went back and started shooting the station. Let me remind everyone that Star Fraction decided to declare war against the weaker alliance. Then, ICE joined BDEAL, so SF declared war against them; SF then decided that they were too big and cancelled the war. Teutonic Guard helped removed 2 Star Fraction SBUÆs from its own system and provided support to ICE and their allies to deploy their own. Days later, The Star Fraction declared war on ICE and Teutonic Guard. ItÆs truly funny to me that SF didnÆt declare war on the 6 other alliances that attacked their station. Fast forward to today: Star Fraction's system is under their control once again. ICE has merged with BDeal and OWTDS has, for the most part, surrendered due to Star Fraction's on-going quest for blood despite ALL of Providence right now defending their space from outside invaders. Star Fraction would have never been attacked in the first place if they showed any interest in keeping their own space. We all respect that Star Fraction has done a very good job with their covert attacks against all the people they have declared war against. As of today, Star Fraction has been at war with Teutonic Guard for 4 weeks. You keep saying we are dogs, traitors and you have lost your space. Let me be frank: you havenÆt lost anything. The war is over and you successfully caused an alliance to fall. Get back to what is really going on and defend your space along with the rest of Providence. Then, redeem yourself and work with us. As far as Teutonic Guard is considered, we will continue to fight with our allies and will honor the agreement to the fullest. There will be no disbanding; there will be no surrender. What's done is done. LetÆs move on and defend what little space we have. If not, then IÆm sure things will not go unchanged between us for a long time. Sincerely, President Winguut Teutonic Guard CEO of Cryo Innovations
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.07 06:22:00 - [130] Something ôpresidentö Winguut (and to a lesser degree) pilot Louis deGuerre need to realise is that the Free Captains of the Star Fraction owe precisely nothing and pay zero respect to the self proclaimed supreme ôbig hatö council of neo providence. These combined exhortations that we somehow should be defending the claimed territory of those who have tried to steal the Freeport we established is beyond ridiculous to us. Furthermore, since the Fraction has never recognized exclusive territorial claim and closed border protectionism on the frontier, the interests of the "big hat councillers" are not (and have rarely ever been) our interests. The Free Captains of the Star Fraction opposed the slavers of the CVA in Providence and fought alongside our friends and long-term allies in the UshraÆkhan to liberate the region from the cloying stench of hierarchical tyranny and standings enclosurism on the frontier. We did not fight for the establishment of another NBSI hegemony designed to prevent the free transit of traders and explorers on the frontier. We did not ôpurchaseö, ôrentö, ôgain on loanö or otherwise ôinheritö the system sovereignty where we established our Freeport. We drove out the last remnants of the CVA and built TAZ Nortlonto with our own labour as a testament to freedom in post CVA providence. The current Providence ôfight clubö concept is ridiculous to us. And the thought that one might build relationships with neighbours by raiding and murdering their pilots and then join fleets to defend against collective territorial threats is absurd (an absurdity readily highlighted by the slight we suffered against all prior diplomacy and agreement). We have attempted to treat with honour and dignity and been rebuffed and betrayed at all turns by the remnant interlopers of New Providence. Now I say plainly that we reject any notion of authority or influence on the part of the ôsupreme providence big hat councilö. We are neither signatories nor subordinates; we are not soldiers to be manipulated or victims to be taxed. We established our own outpost as a Freeport for the good of neutral trade and 0.0 access in New Eden. What we do with that outpost is our commercial business. The only significant threat against its nature ever yet brought has come from the traitorous dogs of New Providence û and we destroyed an alliance in punishment for that offense. Now as for Teutonic Guard alliance I say plainly. You made yourselves our blood enemies by betraying our friends and allies in the UshraÆkhan. You then compounded your treachery by working with ôOn the Rocksö alliance at the order of the ôbig hatö council in the attempt against TAZ Nortlonto in attempted low thievery against anotherÆs asset. I told you personally in local space G5 system some weeks ago that we would make you pay for your attack on the Freeport Winguut, at the time you laughed and told me the might of nine alliances would descend on our station and blot out the sun. I remarked weÆd get round to them all eventually. And while you are partially correct û that the Freeport Norlonto is still open to neutral trade, you are forgetting your part in razing the systems developed IHUB and returning the system resources to null while the continuing aggression from Providence holders (including yourselves) renders the notion of a commercially viable Freeport fragile at best. I have already told you that the council of Free Captains have met and voted to write off the effective loss of the outpost against 25b isk worth of punitive damages to be levied against the ships and holdings of the treacherous dogs who moved against us. We consider our investment null at this point. Join the Revolution!

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.07 06:32:00 - [131] As for ceasefire and leaving conflicts in the past? I can tell you now the mood amongst my comrades calls out for your blood and the destruction of your alliance. And even if you decided today to move 50 jumps to the north and abandon Providence I believe we would vote to follow and complete the annihilation of your organization. You have committed a grave offense against the interests of the Fraction and the dream of Freespace and we intend to take our pound of flesh and make a salutary lesson of your fate to other tyrants who think to close space and deny the fruits of economic development on the frontier. We seek your destruction Wingnuut of the Teutonic guard as we destroyed ôOn the Rocksö before you. The Star Fraction does not ôdefend spaceö û we destroy tyrants. And the sooner you realize this fact the sooner you will come to understand that the month of war you have suffered thus far is just the tip of the ice-burg in our designs against your corrupt and despicable conclave of petty thieves and mewling race-traitors. Do not think to talk your way out of this conflict of your making. Order replacement starships and draft unfortunate crews and prepare to fight for your existence. War is the harvest of your treachery. War and destruction. For once in your life stand and face your fate with some dignity race-traitor, take responsibility for your deeds and decisions and understand that all that follows is the product of the choice you made. Join the Revolution!
Duch Eater	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:31:00 - [132] You need to go play in the airlock of your "free port' and accidentally open it. it would do all of eve a favor.
Derek Steele	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:49:00 - [133] Since Wing is offline I'll respond as best I can. I'll start off by saying that in no way do my opinions reflect those of Cryo and of Teutonic Guard. I'm speaking my opinions, nothing more. I believe you make many points that are valid Jade Constantine, but some of which I believe to be embellished somewhat. There is no real way to sort this conflict out between us quickly and easily, blood has been spilled and will continue to be spilled for generations if we are not able to compromise. If you'll allow me to regail you with story, this reminds me of a situation in the distant past, in fact long before humanity ever came to New Eden and the EVE Gate collapsed. On that mysterious planet long ago lost called Earth, there was a sacred land. The land was, if the history books are correct, called Jaeru-Salem, and was a point of contention between major religions factions. Each wanted to call the land their home but none wanted the others to hold it. It became the source of so many wars, so many excursions and so many skirmishes that devastated the region. It was not until all sides were devastated and the land was bathed in fire that all realised the folly of their ways, but by then it was too late. When a great and powerful enemy rose from the shadows they were too weak to stop them. I believe that all the alliances currently in Providence are entitled to their own way of running the systems they control. No-one can stop the bloodshed but us. Providence is bigger than two alliances. Providence is in the middle of turmoil and all are suffering because of it. This war we are engaged in is leaving one of the main entrances from empire open to what I believe to be our real enemies: Ev0ke and the Ewoks. I have seen their training camps in Assah, and the numbers are not looking good. They are pushing into Providence with huge numbers and impressive technology. Ev0ke are losing their space in Cloud Ring to Pandemic Legion and Mostly Harmless. They start looking for a new home. They see Providence. They see broken alliances, resources and fleets spread thin. They see in-fighting, civil wars and a bounty of undecided citizens looking to be recruited for their regime. What powerful super-alliance wouldn't see the potential for lordship and domination. I would like to come to some agreement. I believe that right now, we need to put aside our anguish, our blood, and our hatred for one another. Providence needs us. Providence needs to be united against this new enemy, otherwise they will roll through and crush every one of us. They will crush us, and our supposed "tyrannical dictatorship", and they will crush you, and your noble NRDS and free market ideals. I believe that the Providence Coalition that you are so quick to judge is, temporarily at least, to be seen as something that can be used to protect it. We are under attack from so many outside invaders that we can't afford to be bickering over the past. I believe we should focus on the here and the now. We are both a part of Providence. We are both strong, and neither of us want to see our very separate and very different ways of life threatened. We are here, we are strong, and we are Providence. We need to declare a peace treaty, even if it is only a temporary one. I do not want to think of a future where we are not here to defend Providence and you are not here to ensure that freedoms are respected. We can work together to make Providence better.
Derek Steele	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:52:00 - [134] Join the coalition and help us turn the Ev0ke dogs into so much space dust. You can hate us, you can flame us, you can let us know your grievances, and you can have your say if you believe we need to look at situations differently. You will be heard. Working together is hard, but not impossible. We are not trying to control you, we are trying to ensure that what we have struggled to create is not reduced to ashes. I believe you would do the same. You do not need to join us, but at least for the moment, please, let us defend Providence. we can argue later.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.07 11:23:00 - [135] Originally by: Derek Steele Join the coalition and help us turn the Ev0ke dogs into so much space dust. You can hate us, you can flame us, you can let us know your grievances, and you can have your say if you believe we need to look at situations differently. You will be heard. Working together is hard, but not impossible. We are not trying to control you, we are trying to ensure that what we have struggled to create is not reduced to ashes. I believe you would do the same. You do not need to join us, but at least for the moment, please, let us defend Providence. we can argue later. Sorry but this wouldnt make any sense, and is a bit sad to see you begging for help from someone you betrayed. I am not in SF, so dont even have to add that i dont speak for them, but from my POV SF has two types of enemies. One are those who meet SF forces heads on, for example evoke and CVA (although CVA is not very active in SFs area). Obviously SF fights them, but in such fights one can respect their opponents, despite ideological differences. The other enemy is the providence NIP, you acted like friends, only to backstab SF for no good reason. And now you want that SF works with you again, and leave their backs unprotected against your next knife? Which judging from comments made by NIP members in these forums is obviously inevitable? Honestly no one is that stupid. As SF themselves admitted, they wont be able to defend against a continious assault from the entire providence NIP. Why would they help you in being able to do that by fighting evoke? Evoke is for them not a larger threath than the NIP is, with the difference that evoke is honest about it and did not stab them in the back.
Punx Evangeline Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.07 15:12:00 - [136] I do believe that Furb has it right. What is the difference between Ev0ke and the Provi NIP to us? The only difference I see is that Ev0ke has never set us blue and then shot at our ships when there were a lack of targets around. We will lose the station eventually, but until then we will complile a list of alliances that desire to rid the universe of freespace and make utilizing their systems hell one by one. We are guerilla fighters. -Evangeline _________________________ Compared to mine, what is your crime?
PorChopGOD	Posted - 2010.11.08 01:56:00 - [137] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Derek Steele Join the coalition and help us turn the Ev0ke dogs into so much space dust. You can hate us, you can flame us, you can let us know your grievances, and you can have your say if you believe we need to look at situations differently. You will be heard. Working together is hard, but not impossible. We are not trying to control you, we are trying to ensure that what we have struggled to create is not reduced to ashes. I believe you would do the same. You do not need to join us, but at least for the moment, please, let us defend Providence. we can argue later. Sorry but this wouldnt make any sense, and is a bit sad to see you begging for help from someone you betrayed. I am not in SF, so dont even have to add that i dont speak for them, but from my POV SF has two types of enemies. One are those who meet SF forces heads on, for example evoke and CVA (although CVA is not very active in SFs area). Obviously SF fights them, but in such fights one can respect their opponents, despite ideological differences. The other enemy is the providence NIP, you acted like friends, only to backstab SF for no good reason. And now you want that SF works with you again, and leave their backs unprotected against your next knife? Which judging from comments made by NIP members in these forums is obviously inevitable? Honestly no one is that stupid. As SF themselves admitted, they wont be able to defend against a continious assault from the entire providence NIP. Why would they help you in being able to do that by fighting evoke? Evoke is for them not a larger threath than the NIP is, with the difference that evoke is honest about it and did not stab them in the back. Your missing the point, SF was never part of this coalition, the last coalition is gone. but they are here now and never helped defend space.. and to your other point about them meeting fleets headon, You obviously dont know them at all.. They dont do this They hide when the numbers are equal and jump on stray pilots 10 -1. Star fraction act Like pirates. Which is fine if thats what they want to be, But lets not sugar coat it and call them a Honourable bunch when they are far from it. They are insulting Local smacktalking bunch. not to mentionIve sat on gates abd watched as their pilots fly freely past Evoke blockade unengaged and without engaging Evoke and Ewok members not once, not twice but many many times, its completly obvious to me there is an agreement there and this entire thread is only a smokescreen.
FantaKraut	Posted - 2010.11.08 02:12:00 - [138] Jade, Please stop pretending SF destroyed On The Rocks. This is a stretch, even for the lolrp forum. There is little secret as to what really caused on the rocks to disband and SF had a very small if any impact on that. Now carry on with the larping. *eats popcorn
Mad Murgan Minmatar DAEDALUS X Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.08 06:10:00 - [139] Edited by: Mad Murgan on 08/11/2010 06:13:11 Edited by: Mad Murgan on 08/11/2010 06:11:53 Hey porkchop if it works, then it works now don't it? One thing I've learned is honor is for the weak. When it a fight, fight smart and fight to win or you end up in a body bag. Obviously -SF- pulled it this time while their enemies couldn't hack it. So on that note, good job friends of old, shoot straight and rack up a body count you can take pride in. That and good luck, looks like your going to need it. Sanity is relative.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.08 12:29:00 - [140] Originally by: PorChopGOD Your missing the point, SF was never part of this coalition, the last coalition is gone. but they are here now and never helped defend space.. and to your other point about them meeting fleets headon, You obviously dont know them at all.. They dont do this They hide when the numbers are equal and jump on stray pilots 10 -1. Star fraction act Like pirates. Which is fine if thats what they want to be, But lets not sugar coat it and call them a Honourable bunch when they are far from it. They are insulting Local smacktalking bunch. not to mentionIve sat on gates abd watched as their pilots fly freely past Evoke blockade unengaged and without engaging Evoke and Ewok members not once, not twice but many many times, its completly obvious to me there is an agreement there and this entire thread is only a smokescreen. You misunderstand our purpose. We don't believe that anyone has a right to claim space. We've no problem with supporting friends and allies, but ... realistically, following _several_ incidences of various alliances deciding to arbitrarily reset us whilst in Providence, just because they were bored, we came to the conclusion that committing strategic assets alongside these 'friends' would be sheer idiocy - when the 'combat record' is worth more than the friendship, then you have at best fair weather friends, who cannot be trusted. The irony being, we'd be quite happy with the notion that 'everyone' in the area was going to be hostile, and that if ICE had wanted to move into YWSO, we'd have been entirely happy with that, as well. What we won't tolerate though, is the backstabbing attitude of the colonials. And as for your criticism that 'we fight like pirates'... well, that's at best laughable. I have exactly zero interest in fighting fair. Fair means I don't have to write any letters of condolence to crew, and screw the other side. Fair is for people who see no greater purpose than notching up combat log entries. What we do, is pick on a strategic objective and work towards it. In this case, finding the people who got the knife in, and grinding them to dust. Fair doesn't serve this purpose. Being incredibly unfair, hitting when they are weak and denying a decisive engagement when they are not is what achieves this. Being patient, and waiting for an opportunity to wreak havoc does this. Forcing the burden of vigilance upon the opposition. I have to say, I'm quite satisfied at a personal level, with this whole betrayal in Providence. It gives me purpose and drive. It gives me a reason to keep on fighting the way I do - I don't want to destroy ships, I want to destroy morale.

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.08 18:08:00 - [141] To pilots ôduch eaterö and ôporkchopö of Teutonic Guard alliance, I can see I will need to repeat myself to remind you that the Free Captains of the Star Fraction have NEVER been motivated by the desire or interest to ôdefend spaceö for its own sake. We are about opening borders, encouraging free trade, inviting commercial exploitation of the frontier and opposing any close-minded xenophobic imperialistic regression we find. We believe new providence would have served itself better by opening its stations to neutral trade rather than predating on it like carrion dogs. It is certainly true to say that we have no part whatsoever to play with the current ôbig hat councilö coalition of backstabbers and turncoats and it would be fair to say any potential cooperation ended when Daisho broke the diplomatic agreement we brokered in the summer and the remaining ôbig hatö councillors decided to put the knife into our long-standing friends and allies in UshraÆkhan. As for dejected mewling about our combat tactics from TG, I reject these comments as the nonsensical bleating of a losing cause frustrated at its own inability to project power in even its strong time-zone and reduced to whining disconsolately from its stolen station during the rest of the day. Nobody but a madman fights to the enemyÆs preference and I take pleasure in each assassination, ambush, trap, murder, slaughter or lopsided surgical destruction that befalls the starships of Teutonic Guard as they rush about like headless chickens in the warzone. Honour is for diplomacy and formal agreement. Honour is keeping oneÆs word regardless of the cost. Honour is maintaining friendships and punishing traitors and turncoats. Teutonic guard pilots are probably the least well-grounded creatures in New Eden to speak about honour at this point, having betrayed and flip-flopped, and turned their coats so many times even they have no idea what colour they are supposed to be showing. The Star Fraction is hostile to a vast coalition that can outnumber us 100-1 if they choose to mass their strength against us and some scant weeks ago the TG leadership was warning us that nine mighty alliances were going to tear down TAZ Nortlonto and scatter us like leaves in the wind. As a result we choose our fights carefully and seek to do you harm when we can. Every day you are dying, and every day takes us closer to our next objective. Thus far things are developing very nicely, after all, your leaders would hardly be here publicly requesting truce and ceasefire if they were confident of their position or ability to win this war. Something you might consider in the few introspective moments you allow yourselves between bouts of choleric local ranting from the depths of your ill-gotten station. But more importantly, this is our war; this is how we choose to express our ideology and our dream. By destroying road-blocking xenophobic power-worshipping insects in flashy acts of creative anarchy and guerrilla panache we show the star cluster how fragile tyranny truly is. This is what we live for. This is the moment we crave of fire and revolution and fury. There is nowhere we would rather be. You didnÆt make war on dirt-farmers and closet territorialists who wanted to spend the rest of their career voiding asteroids and camping gates for the local coalition. I think you mistook us. You decided to betray an organization that exists to fight black operations and guerrilla warfare against sitting territorial powers. You foolishly lit the blue touch paper on wonderful new campaign of slaughter and atrocity against those who dare enslave the minds and dreams of capsuleers on the frontier. Your slavery is herd instinct and regressive political submission. We will set you free with beams and torpedoes and cascades of antimatter in the ether as our heroic ships dance in the void and follow you wherever you hide. Our enemy is imperialist memetics, our identity their vexation. This is who we are. Join the Revolution!
Lucius Faust Amarr Cryo Innovations Teutonic Guard	Posted - 2010.11.08 22:21:00 - [142] You fail to realize, Jade, that we, residents of Providence, face a common enemy; those being the pilots of Ev0ke and Ewoks. Several millennia ago, on our homeworld of Earth, in the history of the Greek city-states, Athens, Sparta & their respective allies put aside their differences to fight a common enemy so they could preserve their freedom: the Persian Empire. Despite the overwhelming odds, the Greeks won the day. We face a similar situation in Providence at this very moment. Ev0ke and Ewoks don't care whether or not Star Fraction wishes to have open borders and free trade; they wish to take your space (dispute this claim as much as you will, but you still hold sovereignty in your system) and colonize it for their own benefit. Put aside your anger for us at our "betrayal", as you put it. You wish to fight for your freedom? Then, stand with Providence against Ev0ke.
Punx Evangeline Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.08 23:17:00 - [143] Mr. Faust, I think the main point that you are missing is that Evoke is our enemy and so is the "New Provi Council". Both wish to rid Providence of the YWS0 freespace. We did not betray the "New Provi Council" because we were never a part of it. -Evangeline _________________________ Compared to mine, what is your crime?
FantaKraut	Posted - 2010.11.09 07:10:00 - [144] To clarify the position of the "provi council", SF had opportunity to join the nip, and they made the choice. When the idea was brought forth that an outside entity would attack. The council had no obligation to defend SF's station, as SF themselves turned their back on provi long ago. So the council said, "sure, go for it. We do not care" Initially pilots from BDEAL found the idea of shooting at SF's station and hearing Jade rage about it too funny to pass up on. So BDEAL joined in and shot at the station along side ICE. Prior to the attack on YWSO, ICE was already in talks with BDEAL ledership about joining their ranks. There really was no formal attack or campaign against SF. Just a lot of bored pilots looking for something to do. During one of the bigger attacks on the station. Soda/Dara/Daisho actually titan bridged in a fleet on top of ICE and killed everyone involved. After further smacktalk from SF members. They came back and shot at SF's station too. So, a lot of what Jade says is lies and propaganda. Star fraction did nothing to cause an alliance to disband, as it was already being planned prior to the SBU and attacking of the system. There was no cohesive attempt by the proviblock as a whole to take YWSO, Simply a lack of caring what happened to the system. If the provi council really wanted SF's system. It would have fallen long ago. Amarr Victor!
Lucius Faust Amarr Cryo Innovations Teutonic Guard	Posted - 2010.11.09 07:38:00 - [145] Punx, you fail to realize that not once did I mention that you betrayed the Providence Coalition; I stated that Star Fraction is betraying Providence as a whole. What you also fail to realize, both Punx and Jade, is in the example from Earth history I gave, Athens & Sparta were mortal enemies; despite this, they still fought alongside each other. There is no arguing the fact that much of what Star Fraction claims is heavily embellished, even to the point of being contradictory. You want to fight against tyrants and super-alliances? Then, you're fighting the wrong people. Ev0ke is who you should have your guns trained on. Teutonic Guard offers diplomacy not because it is a sign of a lost cause; it is the sign that we are willing to put aside our hostilities and fight against a common enemy.
Al'Gouhti Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.09 07:50:00 - [146] Originally by: FantaKraut So, a lot of what Jade says is lies and propaganda. Star fraction did nothing to cause an alliance to disband, as it was already being planned prior to the SBU and attacking of the system. You should stop this rant, when it comes to ICE, there actions and decisions in Providence they will be remembered for 2 things. 1) There attack on YWS0-Z. 2) There subsequent disband. This is how they will be known in the history books. The reason for this is, as the cliche goes. "Action speaks louder than words". Originally by: Mr Reeth Is this a thread whose sole purpose is to bait and bash SF? Classless... utterly classless.
FantaKraut	Posted - 2010.11.09 10:05:00 - [147] Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: FantaKraut So, a lot of what Jade says is lies and propaganda. Star fraction did nothing to cause an alliance to disband, as it was already being planned prior to the SBU and attacking of the system. You should stop this rant, when it comes to ICE, there actions and decisions in Providence they will be remembered for 2 things. 1) There attack on YWS0-Z. 2) There subsequent disband. This is how they will be known in the history books. The reason for this is, as the cliche goes. "Action speaks louder than words". ...and no where in that history will anyone attribute it to anything SF did.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.09 12:28:00 - [148] Originally by: FantaKraut Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: FantaKraut So, a lot of what Jade says is lies and propaganda. Star fraction did nothing to cause an alliance to disband, as it was already being planned prior to the SBU and attacking of the system. You should stop this rant, when it comes to ICE, there actions and decisions in Providence they will be remembered for 2 things. 1) There attack on YWS0-Z. 2) There subsequent disband. This is how they will be known in the history books. The reason for this is, as the cliche goes. "Action speaks louder than words". ...and no where in that history will anyone attribute it to anything SF did. A yes. The old one. Declaring Star Fraction irrelevant, whilst rabble-rabbling in a Star Fraction thread. Your post makes the lie of your words.
Punx Evangeline Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.09 12:55:00 - [149] Originally by: Lucius Faust You want to fight against tyrants and super-alliances? Then, you're fighting the wrong people. Mr. Faust, You still haven't given me one single reason that Teutonic Guard is better than Ev0ke. What sets you apart besides size? Why should we help you? -Evangeline _________________________ Compared to mine, what is your crime?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.09 13:29:00 - [150] That the Providence ôbig hatö council feels the need to employ a ridiculously-named proxy to spin the defeat of its unfortunate ôon the rocksö hirelings, says everything really. It wasnÆt so long ago that the BDEAL leadership had the temerity to threaten the Fraction with ôwar decsö more ôwardecsö ômerc-decsö and ôendless harassmentö if we refused their offer of 400m isk for TAZ Norlonto. Now in the wake of the complete crushing defeat of ôrocksö and the humiliation of BDEAL and the associated ôbig hattersö with the continuing punitive campaign of the Fraction against the traitors now reaching 15b isk in total losses inflicted, we have a pointless lying nobody trying to re-write history while standing on the summit with eyes-balled shut to hold back the tears chanting: ôIt never happened.ö ôIT never happened.ö ôIT NEVER happened.ö As if simply saying a thing makes it true and repairs all those destroyed ships, sbuÆs, tower, and puts the 500 lost and driven ôRocksö pilots back into their alliance like nothing happened. ôBut we never wanted that sov anyway!ö he wheedles. ôBut we never wanted that alliance anyway!ö he cringes. ôBut we never wanted that war in the first place!ö he splutters. Of course you didnÆt little BDEAL proxy. But hindsight is 20/20 and in New Eden choices and consequence matter, as does the notion of credibility. When we decided to laugh in the face of the ôbig hatö councillors we expected them to make good on their threats for endless ten-year wardecs and harassment and the might of ônine alliancesö to descend and paint the skies black as a backdrop to our heroics. We took you seriously. We considered your threats and the likely consequences to us and decided to accept the burden of hostility that would follow in full knowledge of the price. Now you are claiming it was all meaningless bluster? That you had no credible threat behind the words of the ôbig hatö councillors? That it was all front and nothing solid? That you had no power, no will, no ability and no intention to make good on your words after all? So it be, what history will remember is that you threatened dire consequences and an alliance a 1/10th of the size of your coalition called your bluff and found you were holding nothing but a busted flush and a sprinkling of idiot rhetoric. Why should anyone henceafter take any threat you make seriously? Why should anyone believe a word you say? What is the point of diplomacy with whinging child incapable of following through a scintilla of consequence from a storm of frothing noise? History is not kind to buffoons. That too is a consequence of war in New Eden. Join the Revolution!

Lucius Faust Amarr Cryo Innovations Teutonic Guard	Posted - 2010.11.09 17:12:00 - [151] Originally by: Punx Evangeline Originally by: Lucius Faust You want to fight against tyrants and super-alliances? Then, you're fighting the wrong people. Mr. Faust, You still haven't given me one single reason that Teutonic Guard is better than Ev0ke. What sets you apart besides size? Why should we help you? -Evangeline I have given you many reasons: our goals are not all that different from your own. We don't wish to see Providence under the rule of a super-alliance, like Ev0ke. That's why we're fighting against them. Your alliance and mine may have our differences, but I think we can put them aside. We are not tyrants who are trying to prevent small alliances from having a star system to call their own; we also fight for freedom. We don't want to conquer & colonize a region simply for our own benefit, especially when the residents of that region value their freedom. At the end of the day, you and I have different views and we may not get along; but, the goals of our alliances are not all that different. The Providence Coalition, should you choose to put aside your hatred for them, also has the same goal. I cannot speak for the rest of Teutonic Guard or for the Providence Coalition, but I think that, if you fought against Ev0ke alongside the rest of the Coalition, relations between our alliances and the rest of Providence might improve.
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.11.09 17:54:00 - [152] Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/11/2010 18:04:07 Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/11/2010 17:57:47 Jade Constantine, While I appreciate your anger in the perceived wrongs committed against you, I speak not as a representative of the Providence Confederacy as a whole, nor even, to a lesser degree, as a director of my alliance, but as a fellow Providence member. You have been a neighbor of Sodalitas XX for many months now, and surely you can recognize we have never committed a transgression against you. We have not attacked you, camped you, or accosted your space in anyway, even though we live next door to each other and our fleet could very easily incapacitate your space, if we were so inclined. But we're not. It was not Sodalitas XX that SBU'd your space, it was not our ships that brought weapons to bear upon you in any meaningful expression of true malice and accostment. Even during our campaign against Ushra'Khan where we removed the traitor scum from Providence, we glided through your system with the same indifference and attention paid to you as a solar wind; we sought no ill will towards you, or from you towards us. But now, the enemy is on our doorstep, and they do battle against all of Providence as a whole. This is a threat that together we may be able to face, but surely you must understand that if the enemy gains a foothold in the region, it will be the Star Fraction that stands alone again, and no diplomacy or ideology will save you. You will not be the last consumed in that fire, nor the first. But you will be consumed by it nonetheless. Instead of beating your chest and drawing a line in the sand against your neighbors, as a fellow capsuleer and and a friendly neighbor, I would implore you to prove your strength in battle, alongside us. I am confident we will...re-educate Evoke in their opinions of Providence, but i feel much respect will be garnered if you put your pilots on the line with ours, fought and died and sought victory alongside ours, instead of isolating yourself. And I feel strongly that, if you did this, much respect would be gained for your pilots and your sovereignty, and as a fellow member state in Providence. Remember Jade, much of Providence's complete lack of faith and disappointment in you comes from the fact that we have held at bay more than one enemy, and for the most part, you were nowhere to be found. It was the confederacy whom removed Paxton, it was the confederacy whom pushed back Hydra, and it is the confederacy who will defeat Evoke. And the free captains were, where, I wonder? Off doing something more important? Though I remember seeing Star Fraction vessels in one engagement, I heard neither word nor rumor of you in any of those engagements. Of course some of your neighbors want you gone. They have fought, and you have not, in their eyes. I'm sure you have your own reasons for what you did. I'm not here to discuss or dispute them, however. I've no doubt that with the cooperation of Sodalitas, BDEAL, Agony, Daisho, FIGIL, Daco, and the other "big hats" as you call them, that we shall bleed Evoke dry and finish what TEST alliance started. But Star Fraction has the chance of being counted as a member and friend and ally of this coalition, if you so choose. And perhaps when we are done, you will help us burn CVA's cancer out of the south. Whatever you choose, know that your neighbors, some of which you harbor such resentment for, in a way fight to defend your claim to space. Take that for what it's worth.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.09 18:01:00 - [153] Pilot Faust, You claim your goals are not very different to the Free Captains so let me ask you first, do you really understand what the Star Fraction stands for? I have to be blunt because from my understanding of Teutonic Guard you are an NSBI closed-border territorialist outfit that believes in your sole claim on a system and justifies the random murder of any passers-by or visitors on the grounds of your territorial possession. Even leaving aside (for a moment) your history as deceitful race-traitor turncoats, I assure you the core ideological basis of your AllianceÆs intentions is wholly counter to the FractionÆs vision of free commerce and trade on the frontier. We really donÆt see much difference between a ôsuper-allianceö and a ôsuper-coalitionö like the ôbig-hat councilö. I imagine we all know the adage about power corrupting and the greater the power in the hands of an individual ôspeakerö or ôpresidentö the greater potential for corrupt misuse of power and assumed authority. This was precisely what happened when Grandius Fustias of BDEAL attempted to bully and threaten the Free Captains of the Fraction with ôwardecs and harassmentö if we did not take his paltry deal of 400m isk in exchange for our outpost. What greater example of corruption and petty tyranny did we need than this? Your alliance, Teutonic Guard, supported this tyranny and did its level best to stab us in the back and ensure that the interloping ôon the rocksö alliance was triumphant at the cost of the honest builders in YWS0-Z. So you will understand that your warnings about the ôgreater tyrannyö of Evoke fall now on deaf ears. The reality is that TAZ Norlonto is likely lost in the long term in either case. If Evoke win in Providence doubtless they will come to claim the system. If the ôbig hatsö come to win in Providence then they will come again to conquer the system. Whatever we do in the Fraction we are unlikely to change those outcomes û but what we can achieve is the destruction and elimination of race-traitors and turncoats who aided our enemies and betrayed the compact that brought them to this region in the first place. We in the Fraction want to see a freespace Providence with open commerce and free trade. We want space inhabited by those corporations and alliances that keep their diplomatic agreements and donÆt fall victim to the tyranny of coalition-rule and ôbig hatö mouthpieces attempting to use their numbers to bully independents. What we want may well be a distant dream but weÆd rather try and fail than reach a shoddy compromise at the cost of our idealism and reputation as honest fighters opposed to territorial authority and corrupt imperialist power. After all, space is free. And a capsuleer may only be enslaved by regressive memes and hierarchical folly. So I in turn urge you pilot Faust to look deeply into the mirror and realize that when you say your ideals are close to ours you are rejecting the entire foundation of the ôbig hatö coalition in Providence and speaking nothing so much as your absolute self-loathing at the behaviour and crass parochialism of your alliance-mates in clinging to the coat-tails of a tyranny in the hope of a few breadcrumbs from the BDEAL table. Stand up and name yourself an individual. Fight for something you do believe in for once in your life and realize that we in the Fraction simply give voice to the inner desire for freedom laying dormant in your every thought and dream. This is not a war between the Providence big-hats and Evoke; such issues are the movement of mountains and storm-clouds in the atmosphere. The real war is in your head, in your thoughts, in your secret knowledge that post-human evolution is meant for more than simply guarding borders and snapping out salutes to the passing dignitaries of the ruling coalition. Fight your own fear and free yourself from the ideological chains that make you less than human. Then perhaps we will talk. Join the Revolution!
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.10 14:40:00 - [154] Originally by: Kimsemus Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/11/2010 18:04:07 Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/11/2010 17:57:47 Jade Constantine, While I appreciate your anger in the perceived wrongs committed against you, I speak not as a representative of the Providence Confederacy as a whole, nor even, to a lesser degree, as a director of my alliance, but as a fellow Providence member. You have been a neighbor of Sodalitas XX for many months now, and surely you can recognize we have never committed a transgression against you. We have not attacked you, camped you, or accosted your space in anyway, even though we live next door to each other and our fleet could very easily incapacitate your space, if we were so inclined. But we're not. It was not Sodalitas XX that SBU'd your space, it was not our ships that brought weapons to bear upon you in any meaningful expression of true malice and accostment. Even during our campaign against Ushra'Khan where we removed the traitor scum from Providence, we glided through your system with the same indifference and attention paid to you as a solar wind; we sought no ill will towards you, or from you towards us. But now, the enemy is on our doorstep, and they do battle against all of Providence as a whole. This is a threat that together we may be able to face, but surely you must understand that if the enemy gains a foothold in the region, it will be the Star Fraction that stands alone again, and no diplomacy or ideology will save you. You will not be the last consumed in that fire, nor the first. But you will be consumed by it nonetheless. Instead of beating your chest and drawing a line in the sand against your neighbors, as a fellow capsuleer and and a friendly neighbor, I would implore you to prove your strength in battle, alongside us. I am confident we will...re-educate Evoke in their opinions of Providence, but i feel much respect will be garnered if you put your pilots on the line with ours, fought and died and sought victory alongside ours, instead of isolating yourself. And I feel strongly that, if you did this, much respect would be gained for your pilots and your sovereignty, and as a fellow member state in Providence. Remember Jade, much of Providence's complete lack of faith and disappointment in you comes from the fact that we have held at bay more than one enemy, and for the most part, you were nowhere to be found. It was the confederacy whom removed Paxton, it was the confederacy whom pushed back Hydra, and it is the confederacy who will defeat Evoke. And the free captains were, where, I wonder? Off doing something more important? Though I remember seeing Star Fraction vessels in one engagement, I heard neither word nor rumor of you in any of those engagements. Of course some of your neighbors want you gone. They have fought, and you have not, in their eyes. I'm sure you have your own reasons for what you did. I'm not here to discuss or dispute them, however. I've no doubt that with the cooperation of Sodalitas, BDEAL, Agony, Daisho, FIGIL, Daco, and the other "big hats" as you call them, that we shall bleed Evoke dry and finish what TEST alliance started. But Star Fraction has the chance of being counted as a member and friend and ally of this coalition, if you so choose. And perhaps when we are done, you will help us burn CVA's cancer out of the south. Whatever you choose, know that your neighbors, some of which you harbor such resentment for, in a way fight to defend your claim to space. Take that for what it's worth. What a load of crap. We were blue with each other, then you re-set us and then your pilots shot out pilots. Now you're red to us. Explain to me why we should help an alliance that has backstabbed us on a mutual blue setting? The same applies to most (but not all) of the Providence "big-hats." At least Evoke has been honest with us from the start, and that's something the rest of the big-hats haven't been. Claire XXX
Dame Death Minmatar The Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2010.11.10 15:00:00 - [155] Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 15:00:08 Hrmm yet annother 5+ page sf post could someone give me the TL;DR by any chance? Logs of a Brutor
Kal Gauss Cyber Dragon Commune	Posted - 2010.11.10 15:25:00 - [156] Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 15:00:08 Hrmm yet annother 5+ page sf post could someone give me the TL;DR by any chance? Star Fraction successfully defended territory against an assault that had the stated intent of driving them out. Culprit alliance fail cascaded. Everybody is having hard time choking out the words "You won". Short enough for your attention span I hope matari? On that cue. Well done Star Fraction, I hope you manage to hold your free-space long enough for CVA to gain a little bit of lost honor back. a Knight I am. a Dragon I will become.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.10 21:14:00 - [157] I feel a historical perspective on some of these issues is necessary to understand the thinking of the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction when it comes to the situation in the Providence region. Our involvement in Providence dates from the very beginning of the CVA and Ushra'Khan's own respective involvements with the region. Our first war as an alliance against the CVA was in large part aimed at their nascent 'Deliverance Project' and we have fought many wars since, often alongside the Ushra'Khan, against the CVA and its avowed vassals and 'Holder' allies. We were present in strength at the Battle of Karishal's Defiance. We witnessed the fall of Unity Station. We prosecuted campaigns against the CVA from KBP7-G to R3-K7K, we struck at our foes out of Assah, Misaba and Dital, against the slavers and their allies in Catch and we harried them and their allies into the Throne Worlds and beyond. We saw many a long, hard fight. Many a reversal, many a setback, defeats certainly but also victories and achievements that, along with the fighters of the Ushra'Khan, other Minmatar freedom fighters, libertarians of all races and, since the events of YC110, militia warriors, kept the struggle for freedom in Providence alive. Indeed, we had embarked on our last campaign against the CVA and allies at their hegemonic height û Operation Black Lustrum û before the so-called "Providence War" erupted, as the chronology shows. That campaign, only in its initial phase, and while proceeding well, was overtaken by the events of the greater regional war. The calamitous diplomatic and political errors of the CVA did as much to hasten their demise, in my view, as the forces of AAA, Atlas, the Ushra'Khan and others did. In our own area of operation, essentially the XV7L-S, P6N8-J and G2E-RJ constellations (sometimes known as "Northern Providence") our primary target the Sev3rance alliance was overcome by the actions of the Daisho Syndicate, Sodalitas XX and Ushra'Khan alliances. Our role as guerilla fighters was at this stage supplementary and by necessity hampered by our hostile posture to certain of the invading powers, not least AAA and Atlas. The experience of being frozen out of the campaign against the CVA in several respects, despite the best efforts of Ushra'Khan diplomats and the example of Sodalitas in setting us blue, gave a foretaste of what was to come in Providence politics but we refrained from comment and focused our efforts against the undoubted foes of all freedom: the CVA and their hold-out vassals û their carefully constructed and for quite a time effective feudal empire having been fractured by neglect of the most important principle of feudal politics: rights and responsibilities flow in both directions, not merely to the feudal overlord from the vassals. Yet let me emphasise that while it was operated as a truly feudal polity the CVA hegemony was, by the lights of feudalism, effective. In the wake of the fall of Holder Providence and the driving of the CVA into a rump state in the south-western arm of Providence, we of the Fraction took stock and considered our options. A campaign that had been planned to last for months, potentially many months, had been cut short and our resources were at a considerable level. We were in close contact with our allies in the Ushra'Khan and we were invited to establish a presence in Providence within the northern area. At this point the AAA-imposed non-invasion pact or "NIP" was in the air, so to speak, and in our discussions with Ushra'Khan leadership we made clear we considered any local treaty to be with them, our allies, and no-one else. We had no intention of cleaving to an imposed NIP and at no point did we do so. This is underlined by later developments I will presently describe. [conts...]
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.10 21:17:00 - [158] [...contd.] The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction considered the invitation of the Ushra'Khan to establish a presence in one of the as yet abandoned and unoccupied systems of Northern Providence. We looked at the proposition from the point of view of an opportunity to develop infrastructure in a system of the outer regions with the possibility of establishing a freeport station. The question of security was addressed by our bilateral treaty with the Ushra'Khan, which was determined at that time to move to an NRDS engagement posture in order to politically develop the region and encourage trade. From our point of view this was ideal. It was also helpful that our neighbours Sodalitas XX were allied to us in a bilateral relationship, together with various other alliances in the region. Initially, Daisho Syndicate had also adopted a non-aggression pact with us but enclosurist tendencies began to manifest themselves rapidly, culminating in Daisho forces deliberately firing on Star Fraction vessels in the XV7L-S constellation. The issue, as so often, was primarily a question of free transit and access to resources. From our viewpoint, Daisho Syndicate had adopted a deeply old-fashioned and short-sighted view of Outer Region development, retrograde in its outlines even compared to the policies of the CVA vassalage. Conflict was inevitable but Daisho Syndicate did not wish open warfare and with the arbitration of Ushra'Khan and Sodalitas diplomats an openly-agreed peace treaty with terms guaranteeing free transit and resource exploitation rights was brokered. The Owner-Captains of the Star Fraction voted in open council for this treaty and we adhered to it. This treaty was later summarily torn up by Daisho Syndicate shortly after the illusory comforts of cynosural jamming came online in their systems. Before this, however, came our decision to commit fully and openly to the development of the region by constructing an outpost û TAZ Norlonto û in our administered system of YWS0-Z. Before too long Sodalitas XX were, in our view, led astray as the madness of the "Fight Club" toxic meme descended on Providence and reset us to neutral and valid targets in open space for their pilots. This was sad inasmuch as Sodalitas XX had certainly behaved as courteous and trustworthy neighbours and, indeed, several of their pilots appeared to regard TAZ Norlonto as a useful waystation in the KBP to 9UY corridor. Of wider and even more tragic significance was the unthinking acceptance of the Fight Club meme into the political framework of those who had fought alongside one another to liberate most of Providence from the slaver's iron heel. By now events elsewhere had in large part captured the attention of AAA and Atlas, drawing them out of meaningful involvement in the politics of Providence. A resident alliances of Providence council had formed out of the war councils of the campaign against the slavers. This council involved alliances fully under the AAA-imposed NIP, those who were in a direct allied position with respect to AAA and those few, like the Star Fraction, with independent bilateral relationships with other Providence residents. It was with incredulity that we witnessed the abandonment of allied relations across Providence even while the CVA, Paxton and other hold-outs fought back. The treachery that befell the Ushra'Khan led to a temporary re-establishment of normal relations between natural allies but again we goggled as the alliances were once again abandoned while the job of expelling Hydra and frustrating the opportunism of the CVA was unfinished. Always the toxin of the Fight Club meme was allowed to pulse through the veins of the body politic and override rational, strategic relationships in favour of sheerest lunacy. [conts...]
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.10 21:20:00 - [159] [...contd.] In a hopeful counter-sign to the insanity of the Fight Club meme, was the recognition by the residents of Providence that a freely-federated political framework was desirable. Out of this recognition and several open meetings among the leaders of the various alliances was born the voluntary non-invasion pact or NIP. This was the first time that the various residents entered into an agreement with one another on equal terms and freely-negotiated. At this point the Star Fraction, having no difficulty with the terms of the NIP treaty voted for and freely-entered into the Providence residents NIP. It is important to understand that the NIP was a basic agreement to refrain from attacks on the sovereignty and infrastructure of other signatories. It was in no way a mandatory mutual defence pact. Anyone who argues it was must, by simple logical consistency, argue that the NIP was violated when several notable signatories refused to aid Damu'Khonde in their defence of KBP7-G against the Pandemic Legion invasion force. Yet often, loud and long were the complaints from various quarters when one "call to arms" or another was not answered by one alliance or another. Never did it seem to penetrate into the minds of those hypnotized by the Fight Club meme that the corrosive effects of constant ship-to-ship warfare between the Providence residents were the true root of the lack of enthusiasm, among many alliances, corporations and, most importantly, pilots for answering the call from one alliance or another to help defend them. Basic human responses coupled with basic rationality cannot be overlooked when constructing a political system. If a pilot is on one day ambushed and destroyed by multiple members of a "neighbour" alliance is he really going to be inclined to risk everything to defend such people? Some might, under the lash of their alliance leaders or because in thrall to the madness of the Fight Club, but others are hardly going to give it their all to aid on the morrow those who on the yesterday ruthlessly destroyed their ship. Perhaps some pilots made a show, bringing to fights some easily expendable ships with substandard equipment and, perhaps, crews that could be sacrificed without too much regard. Others, more principled we would argue, simply disdained to take their ships and crews into battle to defend those who would otherwise kill them. The only logic that made this crazed political system even function was the logic of temporarily allying with one enemy to destroy another greater enemy. This is a logic that works in a transient situation and which we certainly have no difficulty with when it makes sense. It makes very little sense as the rickety foundation of a free federation of capsuleers in compact to develop a region and defend it from the resurgence of slavers and the encroachment of new overlords. It makes even less sense when time and again the threat assessments made were complacent and totally wrong. Those who know Providence and its ways, who understand the astropolitics of the region, as it were, know that it is ever under external threat and pressure. Its position astride secure space, low-sec and various unstable Outer Regions, combined with multiple stations in virtually every constellation, throws up many challenges. Quite apart from the inherent lunacy of the Fight Club meme, is the fact that it is stark staring madness to actively seek internal conflict when there are conflicts aplenty to be found with pirates, raiders, wolfsheads, rump imperialists, opportunistic invaders and all the rest. One would think, by now, that some alliances would realise that Providence is not a fight ring respected and protected by the conventions of sportsmanship. It is a battlefield and it has long been a battlefield and it will long be a battlefield. To lose sight of this simple truth is to lose one's ability to take sensible decisions in the region. [conts...]
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.10 21:22:00 - [160] [contd...] Still, despite all the political difficulties and the instability of the diplomatic environment, we kept our own counsel, never speaking out publicly against any Providence resident, not engaging in the internecine political warfare we saw take place between some, not actively hunting or raiding against Providence residents even though most would happily attack us. We had made our commitment to the region. We had fought alongside those who were our true allies, we answered their calls as best we could. We constructed a new post-liberation outpost in Providence. We operated it as a freeport at which all allies and neutrals could dock. We kept open the door of diplomacy and would have been happy to negotiate bilaterally with any Providence resident, and indeed with some we did and do maintain bilateral agreements. We had no time for the various plots and counter-plots of Providence and quite frankly attended to our own business as was our sovereign right as free capsuleers. The shape of the future began to become apparent, however, when lines began to be drawn within Providence and new sub-hegemonies and "Gentlemen's Agreements" began to emerge in certain quarters. It was clear that certain alliances had decided that they would be the arbiters of who administered which system, who operated which outpost. Their view of this took no account of whether a given alliance had constructed a given outpost themselves, taken it as a spoil of their own combat with the CVA and its allies or been allocated it as a crumb from the table of the victors. It was nonetheless uncomfortable for them to be reminded that TAZ Norlonto had been constructed by us with our own resources in the post-liberation phase. This point carried weight with many Providence alliances and stymied at least one attempt to "administratively reallocate" the station. Of course, there are certain realities and it is a sad fact that the power struggle began to tilt in the favour of the new hegemonists and Fight Clubistas when Pandemic Legion mounted its invasion of key Damu'Khonde holdings and certain Providence powers stood aloof, apparently not regarding the invasion as a serious threat to them even though they had regarded previous threats to the very same systems as the direst of emergencies. When I do not know the full facts about a political development, I do not make firm assumptions but I do let the ancient Amarr principle of Cui Bono guide me in my tentative analysis of the situation. When one examines the political and diplomatic situation before the Pandemic Legion invasion and compares it with the situation after the conclusion of the invasion and applies Cui Bono then, at the least, certain, shall we say, not unreasonable suspicions begin to make themselves apparent in one's mind. By this point, the grim picture of things to come was crystal clear. We saw Damu'Khonde/Ushra'Khan betrayed and brought to the point of departing Providence. We saw the Final Stand removed in favour of race traitors and turncoats. We were then summarily ejected from the NIP without a hearing or notice, itself a violation of agreements made in open council, and the ICE alliance was imported as clients of BDEAL to take our outpost when we refused to part with it for the absurd sum of 400m ISK. Even while we defended ourselves, NOIR were handed an ultimatum and took such action as they felt appropriate û an action I do not agree with but hardly have difficulty in understanding given the actions of their, and our, erstwhile fellow Providence residents and voluntary NIP signatories. We then fought against and defeated the invaders and continue to fight those who have vowed to remove us from our outpost. Understanding all this history, as we see it, can anyone really believe that we would regard overtures from the Fight Club Top Hat and Monocle Supreme Council to fight on their behalf with anything but incredulity? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal

Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.10 21:51:00 - [161] I consider Star Fraction to be quite wise in not placing any trust in the Providence residents. While a few can form some personal loyalty towards other groups they're all happy to use and discard anyone else.
FantaKraut	Posted - 2010.11.10 23:53:00 - [162] The big hat no pants allowed coalition would like an explanation from the great moderators of this forum as to why my totally in character post was removed. Do the moderators of this great forum fear the dragons of Azeroth? Is there no room for Wizard's, Orc's, and above all else Trolls in New Eden? Do they not enjoy rocking out to Journey, while flying through space wearing only a wizard hat and robe? This is an outrage! All of those involved in the censorship of our people will burn. The Big hat no pant's club will prevaile!

CCP Jericho	Posted - 2010.11.11 02:33:00 - [163] Out of character posts removed.

FantaKraut	Posted - 2010.11.11 08:39:00 - [164] Good Sir, Eve moderator, Why did you remove my In-Character post. Do you have a grievance against the Wizards of the Big Hat No-Pant's Allowed Club? Am I not allowed to Role-Play and forge forth my own story? There are weirdos who wear big hat's and fly with no pants everywhere. Even in eve. Amarr Victor!
Caius	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:46:00 - [165] Quote: I cannot speak for the rest of Teutonic Guard or for the Providence Coalition, but I think that, if you fought against Ev0ke alongside the rest of the Coalition, relations between our alliances and the rest of Providence might improve. I will never fight beside you Mr. Faust. You are a dishonourable dog. Emaline, one of your pilots asked me for a 1v1 and I took her up on it. Once she was almost dispatched with you and 2 others came on to the field and began to try and kill me. You and another lost their ships for this treachery, and more than mere isk loss, I lost all respect for you and your pilots. I will never fly to defend your space or that of any "big hat" group, as you dont deserve anything but distain for your dishonourable nature.
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse Nihilists Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.11 19:54:00 - [166] Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 15:00:08 Hrmm yet annother 5+ page sf post could someone give me the TL;DR by any chance? **ty alliances trowing ** at each other. Its not pretty, and they all make themselfs look bad, over and over again. Dunn Idaho Core impulse
Flashh Gorden Exile Consortium Nihilists Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.12 14:13:00 - [167] Most of the people involved in that Nip represent everything the so called free captains claim to fight against. Why on earth enter into deals pacts and bargains with such villans and scumbags in the first place? Was holding some space that important?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.12 14:55:00 - [168] Originally by: Flashh Gorden Most of the people involved in that Nip represent everything the so called free captains claim to fight against. Why on earth enter into deals pacts and bargains with such villans and scumbags in the first place? Was holding some space that important? I think if you read closely you will see that the only people we really cared about in Providence were our allies in the Ushra'khan. As for the rest, well, we hoped to persuade them on the merits of NRDS free trade and we worked quite hard in the months after liberation to sell the advantage of a freespace pipe through KBP->9UY as a first step in opening the region to neutral pilots. Of course history will show we were less than successful in that attempt and indeed our primary allies in the region ended up getting back-stabbed and turned upon by the johnny-come-lately outfits in the "big-hat" coalition. But here's the thing pilot Gorden. We didn't expect anybody would take us seriously in our urging for a global NRDS/Freespace policy in Providence if we didn't stake anything ourselves. The construction of TAZ Norlonto in YWS0-Z system was us putting our isk where our mouths were and standing up to demonstrate what we believed in could work. We staked 25b isk to construct an open-borders system with a free access outpost because otherwise we were simply talking heads without anything to bargain with. We installed full bounty-hunting upgrades in the IHUB not because we ever wanted to be staying there to use them but so visiting neutrals could earn isk to spend on the things we were selling them. This was construction for ideology. As for the NIP pact stuff. Well, I think we've all seen what that is worth in the long term. Interesting if you read back to last summer on the issue with our short war with Diasho Syndicate in the first weeks after liberation you'll see that the Fraction was pretty divided on the issue of trying to deal with these people or simply shoot them in the head. It was a marginal open vote of the free captains that swung it to diplomacy and though the Fraction leadership honoured that decision to the best of our ability, its no secret that Jericho leadership specifically was pretty opposed to the notion and many of us had deep misgivings from the beginning. But an organization like ours respects internal democracy and free choice of the movement, and sometimes mistakes need to be made to learn from them. "Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains pilot Gorden. Opening a Freeport so that all neutrals could dock and trade in post-liberation Providence was. In retrospect you can certainly say that we were foolish or misguided to expect any fellow-feeling or understanding of our ideological intentions from the "big-hats" but this is a cold hard universe when all is said and done, and you really get anything unless you try. Its an adage as old as new eden that you don't fly what you can't afford to lose and I think it goes for outposts as well. Don't build what you can't afford to lose. This campaign of ours is not about saving TAZ Norlonto, as you can see, the dream of the place and notion of a freespace outpost in a gradually opening Providence has been betrayed and stiffled by the insanity of the "big-hat" fightclub (regional NAP coalition) and the base jealousies and petty xenophobia of its leadership. Of course one might have hoped for better from those displacing slavers and tyrants than simply putting on the discarded slaver's robes and sitting on the thrones to order a new tyranny in place, but thats the tricky thing with territorial memetics and regressive hierarchical thinking. Its very difficult to remove from the human psyche and while we try our utmost with peaceful persuasion, diplomacy, economic incentives and open debate, it is a sad fact of the universe that often the most compelling argument remains ... Shooting imperialism in the face. We can do that to. Join the Revolution!
Intigo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.11.12 16:42:00 - [169] I miss Revan. She was cute. :3 And I would like to state for the record that I am utterly surprised to find Jade writing walls of text. ___________________
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.13 14:33:00 - [170] Originally by: Flashh Gorden Most of the people involved in that Nip represent everything the so called free captains claim to fight against. Why on earth enter into deals pacts and bargains with such villans and scumbags in the first place? Was holding some space that important? What's that old saying? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." We tried to be friendly and engaged in diplomacy with other organizations in Providence, and it didn't work out so well. Basically it boils down to three things. 1. We wouldn't join their gate camps to attack neutrals. 2. We wouldn't join in their "fight club" attitude. 3. They violated pre-existing diplomacy on more than one occasion. So now they're all whining and crying that we won't help defend them. Whether we lose or keep YWS0 still leaves to be seen, but either way we are (as an alliance and individual pilots) not compromising our ethics to help alliances and pilots that have betrayed us in the past. Claire XXX

Sinti Vailatti MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2010.11.13 16:04:00 - [171] ""Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains..." Interesting words considering all the crying that occured whenever you lost a POS in Kamela. Got me thinking though. SF and U'K have been allies, yes. In another thread I was giving a Dadelus X pilot grief because for all thier talk of freeing slaves, they're employing at least one person that regularly commits atrocities on slaves. This would be like the Theology Council hiring Koronakesh as an interpreter. Anyway, I think a lot of us are well used to how SF and by extension Daedalus X spin their actions. Whatever. Everyone spins a story to make themselves look like the hero. Then I was thinking...see, I was telling U'K that they should be careful who they hire because they already got jacked from within. Now I see it Jade. Very smooth. You're trying to be the one who pulls U'K strings. Serving the Dark Amarr
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.13 17:51:00 - [172] Occasionally Amarr agents provocateurs and race-traitors are subtle in their attempts to drive wedges between those who fight for freedom and against the monstrous empire they serve. This is not one of those occasions. As for the strange reference that I assume to be to one of the Battles for Space and Freedom in Kamela: I see no necessary connection between a battle centered on a fixed asset in space and a concern with holding space. Obviously in the mindset of the race-traitors and imperialists it is all one and the same but this hardly means it is so in the minds of the freecaptains and other lovers of liberty. Meanwhile, the struggle against those who wished to steal another fixed asset in space, TAZ Norlonto, and who continue to vow to dispossess us, continues. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Victoria Stecker Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.13 18:03:00 - [173] I see Sinti is still bent out of shape over an incident that occurred several months ago. Apparently she hasn't noticed everyone telling her that U'K doesn't care about capsuleer "slaves," and they like Ammatar scum even less than I do. How exactly she spun that into SF trying to pull our strings... I really have no idea. Maybe if I get bored, I'll try to figure it out. Or I'll just find her and put her out of her misery as a "slave." Nah, she's kinda cute. Maybe I'll keep her soul in a jar next to Gemma's.
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.14 12:57:00 - [174] Originally by: Sinti Vailatti ""Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains..." Interesting words considering all the crying that occured whenever you lost a POS in Kamela. Got me thinking though. SF and U'K have been allies, yes. In another thread I was giving a Dadelus X pilot grief because for all thier talk of freeing slaves, they're employing at least one person that regularly commits atrocities on slaves. This would be like the Theology Council hiring Koronakesh as an interpreter. Anyway, I think a lot of us are well used to how SF and by extension Daedalus X spin their actions. Whatever. Everyone spins a story to make themselves look like the hero. Then I was thinking...see, I was telling U'K that they should be careful who they hire because they already got jacked from within. Now I see it Jade. Very smooth. You're trying to be the one who pulls U'K strings. Out of curiosity, do you even live in the same reality as the rest of us? ~Claire
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.15 17:12:00 - [175] Originally by: The Cosmopolite It is important to understand that the NIP was a basic agreement to refrain from attacks on the sovereignty and infrastructure of other signatories. It was in no way a mandatory mutual defence pact. Anyone who argues it was must, by simple logical consistency, argue that the NIP was violated when several notable signatories refused to aid Damu'Khonde in their defence of KBP7-G against the Pandemic Legion invasion force. Yet often, loud and long were the complaints from various quarters when one "call to arms" or another was not answered by one alliance or another. For the Ushra'Khan (and latter Damu'Khonde), our treaties were all negotiated as mutual defence pacts against outside threats. This was meant to be the basis for the entire coalition, each alliance having the freedom to run their own daily affairs but to join together to defend each others holdings when threatened. So it was as you say, a complete breach of the pacts in place for Daisho Syndicate, Sodalitas XX and Dara Cothrom to stand aside when Pandemic Legion launched their attack upon KBP7-G. Their hope at this time was for Pandemic to do the work of removing us as their perceived rivals for them. Originally by: Jade Constantine This campaign of ours is not about saving TAZ Norlonto, as you can see, the dream of the place and notion of a freespace outpost in a gradually opening Providence has been betrayed and stiffled by the insanity of the "big-hat" fightclub (regional NAP coalition) and the base jealousies and petty xenophobia of its leadership. Of course one might have hoped for better from those displacing slavers and tyrants than simply putting on the discarded slaver's robes and sitting on the thrones to order a new tyranny in place, but thats the tricky thing with territorial memetics and regressive hierarchical thinking. Its very difficult to remove from the human psyche and while we try our utmost with peaceful persuasion, diplomacy, economic incentives and open debate, it is a sad fact of the universe that often the most compelling argument remains ... Something that is often missed or ignored about the foundation of the Providence 'NIP' pacts is that it was a collaboration between -A- and Ushra'Khan, and that the NIP was meant to be enforced between its membership, not by threat of -A- intervention (although that possibility obviously played on the minds of many entering into it). The result was that some alliances were brought into the NIp by -A-, and others by Ushra'Khan. I think an underlying issue came in with this, those alliances brought in by -A- typically looked to -A- as traditional 'overlords' over the region, by virtue of being the local superpower. -A- on the other hand once offered that title to Ushra'Khan, and some of our neighbours knew it. I think that on some level this inspired the urge to usurp our position, despite the simple fact that we turned down -A-'s offer and sought to deal with our neighbours as equals. The Providence NIP has been repeatedly held back and disrupted by the need of some of its members to approach the situation as you might a traditional null sec political structure, where one alliance takes the lead and the others follow suit. That was never how the NIP was meant to work, and that has created no end of troubles. The events following the Ushra'Khan's 'disbanding' and reforming under Damu'Khonde were ultimately an attempt by one subset of the NIP to seize control and influence by forcing a troubled 'rival' out. Ultimately we could see no benefit or need to remain in that position so left Providence to run itself without the added friction caused by our presence. How it will fare under outside pressure now being brought to bear by Ev0ke/Ewoks remains to be seen. The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.15 17:44:00 - [176] Ugleb, by and large, I have no quarrel with your remarks and I believe your analysis of the internecine political warfare between the Providence council member alliances to be sound. I would note that in the remarks you quote I am discussing the voluntary NIP established by the Providence residents and which was the first and only NIP that the Star Fraction entered into. It is certainly true, as you say, that our bilateral treaty with the Ushra'Khan/Damu'Khonde was in the nature of a mutual defence pact, which we made all possible efforts to honour. I think it is worth noting that any such mutual defence clauses were left entirely out of the voluntary, Providence residents NIP and left in the realm of what I vividly recall being described as "Gentlemen's Agreements". Of course, what we can now see is that such agreements were essentially the basis for creating rival power blocs within Providence. Sadly, I think the essential error in thinking within the Providence council goes deeper even than that which you analyse. The Providence council rapidly became, in the minds of many member alliances, an entity that had claim and powers of ownership over the entirety of the Providence region. In other words, it became a kind of Providence-wide state which arrogated to itself powers to declare who should occupy which system, which constellation even, and by default who should operate which outposts, which infrastructure, and of course, who should have access to which resources. With that kind of thinking at play it became inevitable that there would be a struggle for ascendency and overlordship. We see this all the time in statist political entities. The state, by its manifold powers and claims to ownership, control, regulation and the like, is seen as the object of power by those within and under state control. Therefore, to achieve ultimate power, achieve primacy within and, perhaps, over the state. If the Providence residents had established themselves and remained as a free federation of resident alliances and corporations, with notions of ownership and administration over the entirety of the region left firmly outside and in the imaginations of the imperialist foes, then it may have been possible to come to a natural, region-wide framework of mutual co-operation and self-defence. Instead, we had the demented madness of the "Fight Club" meme and its inevitable concomitant: attempts to levy people at the point of a gun (ie. the threat of violent dispossession) into defensive actions in support of people who perhaps only an hour before had been deadly foes. All those who resisted this alien imposition of statism onto a federation of allies against numerous external threats were subjected to the usual pressures and either submitted or resisted until the point came when the Supreme Top Hat and Monocle Fight Club Council decided to eliminate such resistance by the only logic it understands: violence. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:14:00 - [177] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Sadly, I think the essential error in thinking within the Providence council goes deeper even than that which you analyse. The Providence council rapidly became, in the minds of many member alliances, an entity that had claim and powers of ownership over the entirety of the Providence region. In other words, it became a kind of Providence-wide state which arrogated to itself powers to declare who should occupy which system, which constellation even, and by default who should operate which outposts, which infrastructure, and of course, who should have access to which resources. With that kind of thinking at play it became inevitable that there would be a struggle for ascendency and overlordship. We see this all the time in statist political entities. The state, by its manifold powers and claims to ownership, control, regulation and the like, is seen as the object of power by those within and under state control. Therefore, to achieve ultimate power, achieve primacy within and, perhaps, over the state. A valid observation, in our own case we found that other NIP members began to see it as their right to demand that we cede whole systems over to them, for various reasons none of which we considered valid. KBP being the prime catalyst. Our position was a simple one, it was our system and one in which we provided part of a jump bridge network open to all Provi residents. We had to deal with repeated claims and attempts to wrest control of it from us, a result we thought would have harmed both us and the rest of the coalition who relied on the jump bridge link for access to empire. The Pandemic Legion assault on it was clearly seenm as an opportunity towards that end, and so support to defend it from certain alliances was denied. Later, one of those alliances secured control of it in a transfer from Pandemic. Such opportunism is bound to weaken the the whole. The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.16 23:09:00 - [178] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/11/2010 23:09:37 Originally by: Intigo I miss Revan. She was cute. :3 * winks Many hugs to you, you're missed as well! I'll be back later on when not so busy planeteside. R.N Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.22 16:53:00 - [179] Originally by: Sinti Vailatti ""Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains..." Interesting words considering all the crying that occured whenever you lost a POS in Kamela. Are you referring (somehow) to the heroic sequence of tower fights in Kamela beginning last autumn and concluding in the epic victory of the Fraction and our matari allies at the battle of space and freedom IV? Quote: Anyway, I think a lot of us are well used to how SF and by extension Daedalus X spin their actions. Whatever. Everyone spins a story to make themselves look like the hero. Then I was thinking...see, I was telling U'K that they should be careful who they hire because they already got jacked from within. Now I see it Jade. Very smooth. You're trying to be the one who pulls U'K strings. So your theory is that Daedalus X is a Star Fraction infilitration attempt against our allies in Ushra'khan? Mind-boggling really. Here, let me award you the most clueless post in the thread award against some quite stern opposition. Join the Revolution!
DDSacrilege	Posted - 2010.11.23 16:06:00 - [180] Originally by: Jade Constantine So your theory is that Daedalus X is a Star Fraction infilitration attempt against our allies in Ushra'khan? Mind-boggling really. Here, let me award you the most clueless post in the thread award against some quite stern opposition. <3 Jade

Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.11.23 16:11:00 - [181] Just wait until you see what DX4 has planned for the near future A new EVE community DX4 Web Portal
SpotlessBlade Evident Doom Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:13:00 - [182] Edited by: SpotlessBlade on 02/12/2010 04:14:39 So I've just now read this post. And I just about fell out of my chair laughing at the reversals from the providence big (A**) Hats. Jade first of all, well damned done. Recognizing capabilities versus ego is the penultimate quality of any small or guerilla alliance of freedom fighters. I am ashamed to say that is a lesson that we in Ushra'Khan may have forgotten and are just now relearning. That being said, -SF- performance has been stellar and your adherence to the cause has been unwavering. And when faced with an organization of freedom fighters who have not forgotten their purpose, what do our enemies do? Some fall apart, some ask for forgiveness, and others beg for your help. Never forget their rationalizations for their betrayals of the NIP and Ushra'Khan. How many reasons they had!!! some were real but the majority were convoluted exscuses for territorial expansion. And where did there aspirations bring them? To the brink of destruction, with hordes of soulless enemies baying at their doors with the puny remnants of their NIP as protection. Oh the irony. U'K I believe wanted what was best for providence. A fertile ground where strength by ability and honor remained instead of pure numerical superiorities and meta-gaming. The alliances of the time scorned the united strength that we could have shown, and now they fall in droves, fleeing providence as we once did in the face of their treachery. Can you imagine the response that a unified providence with Bdeal, CO2, SF, Agony, U'K, and all could have shown these interlopers? So much wasted potential at the hands of their greed. At least with CVA's return to power, maybe honor and the warrior spirit will return to providence, along with the Ushra"khan. Well Done SF! O7
Wingnuut Gallente Cryo Innovations	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:40:00 - [183] To the Free Captains of the Star Fraction, Speaking on behalf of Teutonic Guard, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the misunderstanding regarding the attack by Teutonic Guard on the Free Port of TAZ Norlonto. The circumstances were confusing, miscommunication occurred and actions were taken that were not intended. We have taken steps within our alliance to prevent another occurrence such as this from happening again. As such, we accept the cessation of hostilities with the Star Fraction. In addition, we are willing to acquiesce to the request of allowing the pilots of Star Fraction to dock in G-5. Former CEO Of Teutonic Guard Alliance Wingnuut CEO of Cryo Innovations
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:13:00 - [184] Originally by: Wingnuut To the Free Captains of the Star Fraction, Speaking on behalf of Teutonic Guard, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the misunderstanding regarding the attack by Teutonic Guard on the Free Port of TAZ Norlonto. The circumstances were confusing, miscommunication occurred and actions were taken that were not intended. We have taken steps within our alliance to prevent another occurrence such as this from happening again. As such, we accept the cessation of hostilities with the Star Fraction. In addition, we are willing to acquiesce to the request of allowing the pilots of Star Fraction to dock in G-5. Former CEO Of Teutonic Guard Alliance Wingnuut There comes a time to accept that a particular opponent has been wounded enough for the needs of vengeance and its fair to say that the last couple of months has been particularly hard on Teutonic Guard. The war with the Fraction began when pilots of Teutonic Guard aided the cowardly assault on the Freespace Outpost of TAZ Nortlonto alongside the now dead "on the rocks alliance" and we considered this a particular betrayal given the friendly welcome we'd given to TG on their arrival in providence in the months before Ushra'khan were driven out by the "big hats." Hence the fury of the Free Captains expressed in the months of slaughter we have brought to Teutonic Guard in G-5 and Ammatar territories accounting for around 10.3 billion isk inflicted and around 221 recorded ship kills concluding in the functional collapse of TG as a spaceholding entity several weeks ago and the final dissolution of the concord sanctioned alliance indentity a couple of hours ago this evening. In the wake of this dissolution I met with CEO Wingnuut in Faspera system where he proposed to negotiate the formal surrender of Cyro Innovations (former executor corp of Teutonic Guard) and we agreed to accept this on provision he make restitution to the symbolic total of 400m isk. With the formal elimination of Teutonic Guard alliance that brings our total to 3 dead alliances and 21b isk punitive damages inflicted against the "big hats" and their servants and hirelings thus far. Join the Revolution!
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Standing Rock Company United Rock Enterprises Ltd	Posted - 2010.12.06 19:51:00 - [185] Originally by: Intigo And I would like to state for the record that I am utterly surprised to find Jade writing walls of text. Whenever I read a communication from a member of Hydra I want to puke in my pod. Are they incapable of posting anything that isn't sarcastic? Is every single one of them an angst-ridden teenage virgin? Why anyone would want to be associated with this bunch is totally beyond me. Star Fraction, keep fighting the good fight!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.07 19:05:00 - [186] Update. As of the beginning of this year we have moved on from dismantling the "big hat" allies who moved against Norlonto. Over the course of the campaigning several entities were effectively destroyed and we accounted for a punitive damage total of over 21b isk against the initial traitors and turncoats who sought to purchase the freeport for the laughable sum of 400m. While a few billion short of our target (24-25) we had to yield to the conclusion that there was literally nothing left of our initial foes to break anymore. For the last month or so we have switched our intentions to the Evoke/Ewok coalition in Providence and in due course will detail the campaigning there. Its been a fruitful beginning and we're up to 11.5b isk damage on the industrialists and minor pawns of this territorialist alliance in Providence but we have much further to go and raise a toast to the ghost of freedom in YWS0-Z as we torch the roaches and miners of this "elite combat alliance" who chose to steal the labour of others and then bleat to the Privateers for help when things went wrong at home. It takes around 24b isk to establish an outpost. So far the enemies of the Fraction have paid 33b to steal one. War continues. Join the Revolution!
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2011.02.07 19:50:00 - [187] Edited by: Vaarun on 07/02/2011 19:52:17 Originally by: Jade Constantine Update. As of the beginning of this year we have moved on from dismantling the "big hat" allies who moved against Norlonto. Over the course of the campaigning several entities were effectively destroyed and we accounted for a punitive damage total of over 21b isk against the initial traitors and turncoats who sought to purchase the freeport for the laughable sum of 400m. While a few billion short of our target (24-25) we had to yield to the conclusion that there was literally nothing left of our initial foes to break anymore. For the last month or so we have switched our intentions to the Evoke/Ewok coalition in Providence and in due course will detail the campaigning there. Its been a fruitful beginning and we're up to 11.5b isk damage on the industrialists and minor pawns of this territorialist alliance in Providence but we have much further to go and raise a toast to the ghost of freedom in YWS0-Z as we torch the roaches and miners of this "elite combat alliance" who chose to steal the labour of others and then bleat to the Privateers for help when things went wrong at home. It takes around 24b isk to establish an outpost. So far the enemies of the Fraction have paid 33b to steal one. War continues. Ahh...victory through better spreadsheeting. Your skills at massaging numbers and drawing conclusions has always amazed me. You would claim 33B of damage as a victory against a 24B station, when you need to depreciate your own balance with the loss of 24B for ths station in addition to any other losses. If they still hold the station and you have incurred more than 11.5B in losses, I think they have the upper hand, no? It's not about the amounts that have changed hands, but the ground you hold. I am not well-versed in nullsec economics, but 33B, 24B, and 11.5B seem like pocket change. Most reports I read from nullsec speak of SOV and general conquest. They do not have to resort to making a few isk-based bullet-points to justify their situation. Having and holding SOV speaks volumes. All other efforts are background noise. Regardless of your hand-waving, I see you without a system, without a nullsec station, and destroying Ewoks in highsec. I assume you are confident that killing frigates in Dital will have a ripple-effect to crush the economies and morale of the Ewoks in Nullsec, no? And, in anticipation of your likely responses, I will diffuse them now so you can address the real issue of your non-victory victory: 1) Yes, COP has disbanded for now. Our ambition outweighed our determination. 2) One does not to be a "pilot of any consequnce" to be able to read between your lines. I look forward to further massaging in your upcoming wall-of-text update on how you are winning the war...when you are really not. Always the freedon fighter, but never freeing anyone. How romantic the endless struggle against overwhelming odds must be... "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.07 19:57:00 - [188] Originally by: Vaarun Regardless of your hand-waving, I see you without a system ... Whilst I see a man without a backbone. New Eden is full of tragedy. Join the Revolution!
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2011.02.07 20:28:00 - [189] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Vaarun Regardless of your hand-waving, I see you without a system ... Whilst I see a man without a backbone. New Eden is full of tragedy. I should have made point 2 of your likely combacks to include all personal attacks which still sidestep the issue. By calling out your most-used response, I forced you to "insult B". My fault for not making the parameters more broad. Tangential personal attacks are often your first salvo against criticism. Anything to draw attention away from said criticism. Still, I will assume you are pressed for time as a one sentence reply is uncommon. Get back to me when you have more time. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.07 20:41:00 - [190] Perhaps you are right, you deserved a more detailed response. Noting the collapse of your own imperial aspirations I will attempt to spread a little more light. Originally by: Vaarun Regardless of your hand-waving, I see you without a system ... Whilst I see revolution unchained. The difference between how you and I view matters appears a matter of optimism and perspective. New Eden is full of tragedy and unfortunate circumstance after all. Yet your argument appears to be since 0.0 is rich it is pointless to shoot pilots affiliated with 0.0 regimes to make a point. One wonders how you would have responded to the charge that since the Matari republic is rich it is pointless for your militia to engage its enemies? But it is a flawed and weakling point at best. No conflict is truly meaningless. All action and gesture has moment. 0.0 is rich and territorial conceit largely unchallenged because of the fear and trepidation in the hearts of men like you. You imagine the wealth of nullsec moons and mass industry renders the imperial body politic invulnerable but it is not so. An empire (any empire) is built on pride and terror. The pride of the hierarch and the terror of its subjects. It is beyond imagining that individuals might challenge the collective - how dare they? But history teaches us otherwise. Individuals do challenge the collective and they do win. Because after all, what is lost when the guerilla fails a battle, or loses a skirmish? Nothing much, after all, the empire is meant to win. But when the empire loses a fight? When the combat elite of the territorial empires are humbled? When the awsome power of thousands of capsuleer legionaries is mocked by the bravery and war-arts of a bold few. That is when empires crumble at their foundation because they cannot afford to lose the precious currency of pride itself. Pride is worth more than isk to the territorial warlord, pride is the knife we twist into his ribs, pride is the acid we spill upon his bones and broken pride is the poison boiling in the lungs and stomach of the wounded giant. How many giants have the fraction outlived Vaarun? Countless. Because we challenge them to defend their individual pilots against our guerilla-arts and never yet have they managed it. Individuals of worth see this and break away, learning to make their own decisions and count on their own talent and power alone to ensure their safety and prosperity and this is how the war is won. Join the Revolution!

Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2011.02.07 21:48:00 - [191] Originally by: Jade Constantine How many giants have the fraction outlived Vaarun? Countless. Because we challenge them to defend their individual pilots against our guerilla-arts and never yet have they managed it. Individuals of worth see this and break away, learning to make their own decisions and count on their own talent and power alone to ensure their safety and prosperity and this is how the war is won. I...I must concede this point, Jade. I can have issues with your presentation, but as I am fond of absolute values, I cannot argue with this. Star Fraction has endured for a long time when so many others have faded, faltered, or share only a name with those who started their corporation or Alliance. I myself am not an absolute when faced with a valid agrument, and you have certainly given me pause. Honestly, your last post certainly held more truth than your update and I am sincerely impressed you have the insight to quantify what you have done and are doing. Furthermore, due to the fact that I am back-handedly complimenting you, my world seems a bit topsy-turvy at the moment. Well played. Fly safe. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:37:00 - [192] Originally by: Vaarun I...I must concede this point, Jade. Well played. Fly safe. Silas does a double-take and nearly spits out her wine Pull yourself together man! Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Calfis Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:47:00 - [193] Originally by: Jade Constantine How many giants have the fraction outlived Vaarun? Countless. Because we challenge them to defend their individual pilots against our guerilla-arts and never yet have they managed it. Individuals of worth see this and break away, learning to make their own decisions and count on their own talent and power alone to ensure their safety and prosperity and this is how the war is won. Those who burn brightest burn fastest
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:52:00 - [194] Originally by: Silas Vitalia Originally by: Vaarun I...I must concede this point, Jade. Well played. Fly safe. Silas does a double-take and nearly spits out her wine Pull yourself together man! I think he just did that. Your turn. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
Aphoxema G Operation Inertia	Posted - 2011.02.08 00:11:00 - [195] Originally by: Vaarun Originally by: Jade Constantine How many giants have the fraction outlived Vaarun? Countless. Because we challenge them to defend their individual pilots against our guerilla-arts and never yet have they managed it. Individuals of worth see this and break away, learning to make their own decisions and count on their own talent and power alone to ensure their safety and prosperity and this is how the war is won. I...I must concede this point, Jade. I can have issues with your presentation, but as I am fond of absolute values, I cannot argue with this. Star Fraction has endured for a long time when so many others have faded, faltered, or share only a name with those who started their corporation or Alliance. Star Fraction keeps a tentative definition of procedure and success. They may not always meet their goals, they may even fail entirely, but their existence doesn't rely on living up to claims. What keeps them alive isn't blind faith or memes that can only manifest when thousands of idiots collectively learn to breathe and walk at the same time. It's not such generic things as nobility or chivalry. Some things Jade has said or done made me (literally) find a quiet place and immediately bang my face against a wall. When I was in Star Fraction, both times, I felt overwhelmed by people that had much more solidarity than I did. I misinterpreted a lot of what I'd seen as cronyism. Star Fraction exists, despite so much interference, because those who've stayed and those who've left all contributed to a common will for the betterment of the entity that is Star Fraction. It is such a healthy organization because it is composed of healthy individuals. Sometimes this gets confused with magnificence but magnificence erodes with time. The power that Star Fraction holds is individuality. They are not dependent on nations or promises. You can cut its damned legs off and it'll still find a way to walk. You can hack off its hands but it will still be able to wring the neck of those it confronts. You can sever its head but it will still speak and think. Even after Star Fraction is eliminated or simply falls into itself, it will be remembered for centuries for relying on nothing more than commerce and cooperation. ------------------------------- The fox chases for her meal, but the rabbit runs for her life.
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2011.02.08 02:31:00 - [196] Edited by: Vaarun on 08/02/2011 02:33:10 Originally by: Silas Vitalia Originally by: Vaarun I...I must concede this point, Jade. Well played. Fly safe. Silas does a double-take and nearly spits out her wine Pull yourself together man! Fear not, my sister, I am quite "together". I was simply taken aback by harsh truths coming from Jade which I could not refute...and agree with...if in nothing more than principle and tactics. I am still at odds with the skew her initial post, but I cannot dispute Star Fraction's longevity nor rationale. The attentions of many capsuleers are ephemeral, often jumping from causes to corps to inactivity, back and forth, in the span of a week. I have to admit, that knowing the temperament of a wide swath of capsuleers, SF's tactics are sound. I have used versions of that tactic myself, but never considered Star Fraction would even be cognizent of them and sought to capitalize upon them. I thought they simply moved to make themselves unwelcome in all areas of the galaxy, but their agenda is being served by their actions and the fact that I did not see that has made me uneasy and questioning myself why I did not see that before. I have to give credit where credit is due, even from one I am essentially diametrically opposed to. So, fear not Silas, I am quite sound...even moreso than before, in fact. However, I will still look forward to the final "massaging" of the numbers from them regarding their war with the Ewoks. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.08 12:43:00 - [197] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 08/02/2011 12:43:10 It is just PR and wealth, lord Varuun, which keep them alive. Originally by: Aphoxema G What keeps them alive isn't blind faith or memes that can only manifest when thousands of idiots collectively learn to breathe and walk at the same time. Actually I find the clueless people getting caugh in the SF PR nets fit quite well this definition. Besides that, I agree on the rest of what you said.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.08 19:35:00 - [198] I can see why it will comfort you to believe that Lyn Farel. But the reality is that many many capsuleers have access to ôPR and wealthö, those are hardly rare possessions in this universe after all. But it is easy to tell oneself that an enemy succeeds only because he or she is better provisioned, better prepared, luckier in news, in reputation, any one of an thousand reasons why your own righteous cause is failing. But so much harder to look at a thing honestly and see the truth. I have the wealth I need Lyn Farel, but wealth doesnÆt keep my heart beating. The Free Captains are rarely rich; all of us could make more isk, greater fortunes, and more comfortable income in easier ways after all. The cluster has a myriad ways to reward the risk-averse. Even your own corporation in the Knighthood has access to better sources of isk than we do. It is well known that Militia agent missions represent the easiest isk income of all, subsidized by an empire desperate to ensure the fealty of pilots addicted to sucking at the teat of loyalty points and discount items. And ôPRö? Public relations, the packaging of corporate messages for popular regurgitation by news media. DonÆt we all use these arts? IsnÆt that why we are both recording messages on the summit after all? But does the desire to explain oneÆs actions and motives render them false and void? Is the act of telling ideals and philosophy corrosive to the ideal itself? I wonder if you prefer solipsism to communication in the final analysis? It is true we have different opinions and we fight for different things. I after all, believe that the hierarchy of empires and collectivist subversion of individual capability is detrimental to the human condition whereas you believe that submission to a greater authority in all is the perfect state of existence, but can we not debate the ideals themselves without the gut-reactive spasm to attack the medium rather than the message? ôClueless peopleö in a ôPR Netö. It would be so easy for me to dismiss your whole existence and individual nature in a sentence and respond with an idiot (but entirely appropriate) ôno youö but doing so would allow your ôPRö preference to dictate the terms of the interaction so I demur. (my choice as a sovereign individual) I prefer to debate with a person rather than a reactive meme-system Lyn Farel. We have eternity you and I to fight the war of ideals û take your time but do return when you are prepared to reach past the banal and address the essence of our dispute. Join the Revolution!
Aryanna Ta'Lone Amarr 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:17:00 - [199] Edited by: Aryanna Ta''Lone on 09/02/2011 16:03:08 deleted by user
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:35:00 - [200] Originally by: Aryanna Ta'Lone Originally by: Jade Constantine You are so cool...ummm, and pretty too...I'm just sayin', I dont mean anything by it or...hells. Expect war to your entire corporation and those who ever I see associated with you in 24 hours if your words aren't retracted. And consider that I'm giving 24 hours only because of Syn. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free.

Aphoxema G Operation Inertia	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:06:00 - [201] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Aryanna Ta'Lone Originally by: Jade Constantine You are so cool...ummm, and pretty too...I'm just sayin', I dont mean anything by it or...hells. Expect war to your entire corporation and those who ever I see associated with you in 24 hours if your words aren't retracted. And consider that I'm giving 24 hours only because of Syn. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Now, now... don't declare a war on a cat for just having the audacity to purr. ------------------------------- The fox chases for her meal, but the rabbit runs for her life.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:23:00 - [202] Originally by: Aryanna Ta'Lone Ms. Constantine...how does one become a "free" captain exactly? The irony is that most people start out being Free Captains but end up giving their freedom away to territorial powers, to mining overseers, to national militias, to religion, to convention and hierarchy. There is nothing special about the Free Captains of the Star Fraction except we have decided to maintain and assert our freedom and take arms to its defense. Quote: You are so cool...ummm, and pretty too...I'm just sayin', I dont mean anything by it or...hells. I think you would do well to stick to simple enquiries and questions and the like on the summit for now. Incautious words to the lovers of notorious revolutionaries AND sani sabik heretics can have bad results if not followed by dignified and immediate retraction. I truly have scant need for the stumbling compliments of novice capsuleers pilot Ta'Lone. Join the Revolution!
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:38:00 - [203] Originally by: Jade Constantine I truly have scant need for the stumbling compliments of novice capsuleers pilot Ta'Lone. Nonsense! I think your entire cult of personality is singularly fueled by sycophantic appraisals of your character. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:41:00 - [204] Originally by: Silas Vitalia Originally by: Jade Constantine I truly have scant need for the stumbling compliments of novice capsuleers pilot Ta'Lone. Nonsense! I think your entire cult of personality is singularly fueled by sycophantic appraisals of your character. grins If you weren't such a walking grotesquery in the makeup department I'd be inclined to take that to heart Join the Revolution!
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.09 00:26:00 - [205] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 09/02/2011 00:26:26 Originally by: Jade Constantine I can see why it will comfort you to believe that Lyn Farel. But the reality is that many many capsuleers have access to ôPR and wealthö, those are hardly rare possessions in this universe after all. But it is easy to tell oneself that an enemy succeeds only because he or she is better provisioned, better prepared, luckier in news, in reputation, any one of an thousand reasons why your own righteous cause is failing. But so much harder to look at a thing honestly and see the truth. I have the wealth I need Lyn Farel, but wealth doesnÆt keep my heart beating. The Free Captains are rarely rich; all of us could make more isk, greater fortunes, and more comfortable income in easier ways after all. The cluster has a myriad ways to reward the risk-averse. Even your own corporation in the Knighthood has access to better sources of isk than we do. It is well known that Militia agent missions represent the easiest isk income of all, subsidized by an empire desperate to ensure the fealty of pilots addicted to sucking at the teat of loyalty points and discount items. And ôPRö? Public relations, the packaging of corporate messages for popular regurgitation by news media. DonÆt we all use these arts? IsnÆt that why we are both recording messages on the summit after all? But does the desire to explain oneÆs actions and motives render them false and void? Is the act of telling ideals and philosophy corrosive to the ideal itself? I wonder if you prefer solipsism to communication in the final analysis? It is true we have different opinions and we fight for different things. I after all, believe that the hierarchy of empires and collectivist subversion of individual capability is detrimental to the human condition whereas you believe that submission to a greater authority in all is the perfect state of existence, but can we not debate the ideals themselves without the gut-reactive spasm to attack the medium rather than the message? ôClueless peopleö in a ôPR Netö. It would be so easy for me to dismiss your whole existence and individual nature in a sentence and respond with an idiot (but entirely appropriate) ôno youö but doing so would allow your ôPRö preference to dictate the terms of the interaction so I demur. (my choice as a sovereign individual) I prefer to debate with a person rather than a reactive meme-system Lyn Farel. We have eternity you and I to fight the war of ideals û take your time but do return when you are prepared to reach past the banal and address the essence of our dispute. All this populist wooden language to tell me that ? You will definitly never change. Do not assume with too much haste that people answer like clueless idiots when they actually keep themselves to concise words and are not drowning themselves in their own sophisms. The fact I was not explaining and detailing my thoughts in a whole self centered novel was merely due to the fact I was adressing to lord Varuun, actually, who probably know what I meant. But I must concede it was vague and generalizing, and not concise at all, though. Anyway, now that you seem to look for a serious debate (Over what ? What keeps SF alive ? What is better between an absolute greater authority and anarchy ?), I am at your disposal, even if I doubt something will come out of such a thing. I prefer to debate with a person, rather than a condescending stating-the-obvious-system, Jade Constantine.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.09 00:33:00 - [206] Originally by: Lyn Farel Anyway, now that you seem to look for a serious debate (Over what ? What keeps SF alive ? How about we start with what keeps your faith alive? What do you stand for Lyn Farel and why do you think it superior? Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.09 02:37:00 - [207] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 09/02/2011 02:37:52 Originally by: Revan Neferis Expect war to your entire corporation and those who ever I see associated with you in 24 hours if your words aren't retracted. And consider that I'm giving 24 hours only because of Syn. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik I have received this by private comms and I have been requested by the part involved to make it public, as she seem to be having issues of connectivity IGS related tonight. Apology and withdraw From: Aryanna Ta'Lone Sent: 2011.02.09 02:15 To: Revan Neferis, Dread Lady Neferis I meant no insult to you or Ms. Constantine, my post was intended to be respectful and polite. Since so many people are cruel and say harsh hurtful things to Ms. Constantine I thought it would be polite and considerate to offer someting positive. I am sorry if this caused you and Ms. Constantine any distress and will retract any disrepectful mention that I have made unknowingly. I would respectfully ask that you reconsider declaring a war on my mother and friends for what is my error alone...a harsh lesson has been learned about my place in the scheme of things. I have learned it well. I would offer my life to you if it will appease your anger and protect my mother and friends, please let me know if this is required to correct this error on my part. Respectfully yours, Aryanna Ta'Lone --- Apology accepted. I'll withdraw the war votes. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free.
Koronakesh Amarr Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.02.09 03:09:00 - [208] Originally by: Revan Neferis I would offer my life to you if it will appease your anger and protect my mother and friends, please let me know if this is required to correct this error on my part. Respectfully yours, Aryanna Ta'Lone --- Apology accepted. I'll withdraw the war votes. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Can't we invite her to the Opera and kill her? She could provide entertainment as well as apology.
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.09 03:20:00 - [209] Originally by: Koronakesh Can't we invite her to the Opera and kill her? She could provide entertainment as well as apology. A shame that i haven't read this before. But as we speak, I have already collected her mother's corpse in sacrifice. I tend to act fast upon such matters. But the idea of a sacrifice for our entertainment at the Opera... appeals me greatly. I'm sure that we will find another "candidate" to amuse us very soon. Now that my matters here are solved, let's leave my lover's thread to matters of her attention. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.09 13:18:00 - [210] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lyn Farel Anyway, now that you seem to look for a serious debate (Over what ? What keeps SF alive ? How about we start with what keeps your faith alive? What do you stand for Lyn Farel and why do you think it superior? No, I am not falling for that. This is another debate.

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.09 13:45:00 - [211] Why do you think it is an inappropriate one though? After all, you have chosen to involve yourself with a thread only tangentally-associated with your conflict with the Fraction and made some comment and assertions that might equally be applied to your own faith and outlook, is it really unreasonable that you be invited to explain your interest and preconceptions to the casual reader? Join the Revolution!
Shintoko Akahoshi Kabuki TransSolar	Posted - 2011.02.09 20:06:00 - [212] Originally by: Jade Constantine Update. As of the beginning of this year we have moved on from dismantling the "big hat" allies who moved against Norlonto. Over the course of the campaigning several entities were effectively destroyed and we accounted for a punitive damage total of over 21b isk against the initial traitors and turncoats who sought to purchase the freeport for the laughable sum of 400m. While a few billion short of our target (24-25) we had to yield to the conclusion that there was literally nothing left of our initial foes to break anymore. For the last month or so we have switched our intentions to the Evoke/Ewok coalition in Providence and in due course will detail the campaigning there. Its been a fruitful beginning and we're up to 11.5b isk damage on the industrialists and minor pawns of this territorialist alliance in Providence but we have much further to go and raise a toast to the ghost of freedom in YWS0-Z as we torch the roaches and miners of this "elite combat alliance" who chose to steal the labour of others and then bleat to the Privateers for help when things went wrong at home. It takes around 24b isk to establish an outpost. So far the enemies of the Fraction have paid 33b to steal one. War continues. More florid and gritty details, please. What else do I have to do besides live vicariously through entertaining battle reports? Shin's bio and writings
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.10 12:59:00 - [213] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 10/02/2011 12:59:49 Originally by: Jade Constantine Why do you think it is an inappropriate one though? After all, you have chosen to involve yourself with a thread only tangentally-associated with your conflict with the Fraction and made some comment and assertions that might equally be applied to your own faith and outlook, is it really unreasonable that you be invited to explain your interest and preconceptions to the casual reader? Well then. I stand for science, progress and evolution. I believe it is superior to stagnation, which only means death ultimately.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:04:00 - [214] Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Jade Constantine Why do you think it is an inappropriate one though? After all, you have chosen to involve yourself with a thread only tangentally-associated with your conflict with the Fraction and made some comment and assertions that might equally be applied to your own faith and outlook, is it really unreasonable that you be invited to explain your interest and preconceptions to the casual reader? Well then. I stand for science, progress and evolution. I believe it is superior to stagnation, which only means death ultimately. Strange to consider why we are fighting then really. After all, I consider the Amarrian Empire stands opposed to science (believing as it does in a mythological creator/tyrant deity that demands belief rather than factual proof). I consider the Amarrian Empire stands opposed to progress given its reliance on the institutions of feudal hierarchy and manual agricultural labour - promoting as it does a slave-based economy purely for literal fetish rather than commercial sense. And I consider the Amarrian Empire stands opposed to evolution by definition since the continuation of government and rule by the physically and mentally infirm by centuries-old repression and tyranny cannot be anything other than anti evolutionary. Does the Amarrian faith not consider the post-humanity of the capsuleer class a threat to its celestial order after all? Why do the Amarrian leaders consider cloning a sin? Why do we see so many doddering old diseased specimens of failed genetics in the empire? Simply because the priesthood considers genetype correction and improvement of the human species a sin in the eyes of God. So by all means explain how you can justify standing for Science, Progress and Evolution while fighting for an Imperialist government that most (beyond its borders) would probably agree stands for precisely the opposite? I'm interested in your rationale here because I believe it will prove informative when dealing with your general interaction with public debate ms Farel. Join the Revolution!
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:40:00 - [215] Yes indeed, why is the Fraction attacking the Knighthood ? There is a insuperable difference in our ideals : while we may share some of our goals and views for the human kind and its evolution, we are not forcing anyone to live it the way we want. The Star Fraction speaks of absolute freedom and refutes almost all kind of authority, still you want to enforced your view to the amarrian people, and eventually, probably everyone. They have the same right you have to decide what is their future to be. Why are you attacking them ? Just because they are different. Now I am tied to the Empire by my Holder status in the Mandate, and because I still believe in the spirituality originaly expressed in the Scriptures, and not in the biased applications the Empire authorities have developped for centuries since then. Maybe the deviant conservatives are in command, but that does not mean that everyone in the Empire follow the same ideals. You are wondering why I am standing to the side of the Amarr Empire, and this is mainly because of my own origins and the best place to be a voice for what I believe in. I could have chosen the Caldari State, or even the Federation - after all, I helped them standing against piracy in Solitude some years ago. Anyway, we may share some vague similarities of views on the evolution and science (even if I am not sure of what you precisely stand for in that matter), but we will never share your anarchist views. Free for you to use them on your bunch of pilots, but enforcing them to everyone you meet is not an option here.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:10:00 - [216] Why indeed ms Farel? From our perspective it is because you have taken up arms in support of an institution that believes it has the right by superior violence to make other sentient beings slaves. We consider this belief places you firmly in our crosshairs because we believe that no-one has that unchallenged right and that by killing your pilots and liberating your captives when we can, we do something for the good of humanity and aspirant posthuman culture (as well as our own commercial self-interest). We do profitable business with free populations and independent groups the cluster-wide. The closed markets and feudal principalities of the Imperium are often too primitive even to trade with û IÆd like to liberate your slaves and victims and set them on road to business and anarcho-capitalist diaspora. You are right to highlight the anarchist principles of the fraction as a point of significant difference though, absolutely right, even as you are typically imprecise and predictably misleading on your assessment of where we stand. Absolute freedom is something of a straw man to your statement. For how can one individual be absolutely free without impinging on the freedom of another? Can one be absolutely free without consequence? One might say the state of absolute freedom is meaningless when one is bound by physical laws û surely we should be free to step off cliffs and sprout wings to fly away? Does the fact that the tyranny of gravity will drag us to physical destruction impinge on our freedoms because we are limited by the concepts of the physical universe? We free captains are not absolutely free of consequence. We are free to act, free to explore, free to trade, to travel, to dream and to love. But we are never free of consequence. We do as we will, as we see fit, but we are bound by our own standards, our reputation, or business relationships, our interests our cares and our dreams. The nationalist tyranny finds it all too easy to conjure the ghost of absolute anarchy as a chaos of a billion murderous children stabbing each otherÆs eyes out with pokers as a spectre to terrify the foolish. But that is not how the anarchy of the Fraction works, it is not what we promote, it is not where weÆd like to go and it is not the future for post humanity. When you enter into an agreement or arrangement with a Free Captain you may be assured it will be kept because there is value in keeping oneÆs word, there is competitive advantage in being trusted, there is mutual benefit to cooperation in commerce and culture and war. What we fight against is the nationalist hierarchy that ensures individuals are robbed of their individual choice. It is easy for you ms Farel to say that the Amarrian Empire chooses primitive theocratic hierarchy as its ôchoiceö because you know well that nobody with the liberty to speak on such matters exists outside the hierarchy and slaves, well, they donÆt count in your estimation do they? Grant the Amarrian people (all of them) the right to choose their government and culture, release your captives and allow them the choice of how they live their lives. Disband the camps and execution factories, send the hounds back to the wilds, disarm your police and orbital satellites and then tell me the Amarrian people have made a choice to remain as they are. Until then your argument is specious and dishonest. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:13:00 - [217] We in the Fraction fight those who would deny choice to individuals. We do not respect your choice to deny choice to others. It is pure and simple and fact undeniable. And back to the subject of this thread. The reason for our involvement in Providence many years ago was our opposition to the CVAÆs suppression of individual and collective choice in the matter of its standings enclosurist regime in this region. CVA (as Amarrian Nationalist proxies) conducted a policy of ôif you are not with us you are against usö and forced neutrals to set neutrals negative to remain on their good side with access to intel channels and infrastructural development rights. We opposed that. On principle. So when our turn came to make good on our principles we constructed a genuine Freeport in Providence and granted access and docking without strings or preconditions to those interested in neutral status. We didnÆt tell people who they could fight or how to conduct their wars. We didnÆt insist that blues to our reds would make them red also. We allowed people to make a choice. We fought a war to promote that freedom. And that is the anarchy of the Star Fraction ms Farel. Now we fight a campaign of commercial raiding to ensure that those imperialists and road-blockers who took that choice away from the neutrals of Providence will pay a fiscal penalty for their tyranny because when all is said and done the greatest argument for political free is mutual advantage and cooperative profit. We intend to ensure that the theft of Norlonto costs the organizations involved more than they gain from the deed. Call it aversion-therapy for territorial greed. Join the Revolution!
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.17 12:29:00 - [218] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 17/02/2011 12:31:24 You assume too much of words I never ever said. - You seem to fantasize about what you call "our support of of an institution that believes it has the right by superior violence to make other sentient beings slaves". With the Knighthood usually fighting against slavery, excuse me if your statement sounds quite incoherent. There are several ways to make people change, and your path to violence and the one the matari people chosed is the worst of all. You speak of your will to "liberate our slaves", still I fail to see where the Knighthood can be blamed on slavery. Myself still own a few dozen of criminal slaves, but nothing more. Yourself said nobody is free of consequences : those criminal slaves neither. Your overgeneralization tendancies, again shared by most of the matari people, makes you assume approximative or wrong rhetorics. - Again, if you read my words again about anarchy, you will find I never precised what I thought yours was all about. I just mentionned it, and I quite agree with your own explanation of it. I never spoke about any absolute freedom as you seem to assume. Anyway, the billion children murdering each other seems to be the general feeling we can get from the overall free capsuleer community, and the thing you and I have understood for long is the necessity of basic NRDS principles (their application is another matter). Because you have a code of behavior and basic rules that bond you together. - Of course slaves, lower classes and minor holders count in my estimation. Their voice should be heard and it is actually not the case. I never said the Empire was perfect, but I said it had to evolve. Heideran and Doriam II understood that. Since the assassiation and the attack of the Elders, everything has jumped back centuries ago. What makes the thing even more complicated is that a good part, if not a majority, of the lower amarrian classes greatly support the current regime. - "We do not respect your choice to deny choice to others." And might say I do not respect your choice to deny our choice, the Knighthood's, to fight for a greater and fair Empire. And that means we have to defend it from the invaders. You can deny their choices to conservatives, I don't care, though. - The main disagreement I may have with the Fraction lies in the fondamental lie you are telling to everyone when it comes to CVA. The CVA, as any form of ruling authority formed by free people over a barren land, has never enforced their views on their inhabitants. You are still claiming they were living under its iron grasp telling them who to consider as hostile or friendly. This is utter lies. People and neutrals were free to leave, and before even that, they were free to join Providence to settle them here and live under an honest and unified NRDS policy, which only considered as hostiles people agressing them or behaving like pirates. Moreover, all the locals were supporting The CVA. You can still claim whatever suits you best : they were lobotomized, formated, under any form of insidious propaganda or whatever, but you will only make a fool of yourself. And after that, you tried to do something in Providence too, NRDS centered, for what I respect you, even if the result was a big mess without much sense to my opinion, because your NRDS policy is the policy of nepotism and friends.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:11:00 - [219] The blunt reality is that the Merciful Crown supports the 24th Crusade which is the armed capsule-militia of the Amarrian Empire. You fight to enslave the Matari people. This is clear and factual. It is also entirely predictable to hear a tyranny call on its victims to show restraint in their violence and work ôwithinö the system. This is called manipulation. But yes, we do agree that consequence for action is the way of the universe. Your consequence for supporting a tyrannical imperialist regime that denies the rights of sentient individuals is incoming violence from fraternal supporters of your victims. I did in fact read your words about ôourö anarchy very carefully, and you did specifically use the term I quoted entirely in the context I quoted you in. If you now admit you were wrong to report us speaking of ôabsoluteö anarchy in the terms you reported then fair enough. Further, I simply do not believe that a majority (or even significant proportion) of the Amarrian populace do support the regime. It is an armed feudal theocracy and the price of demurral is a terrible one. We can certainly go in circles with the ôwe do not respect your right to xö statements û this is where conflict enters the equation of human interaction. If you want my respect for the Merciful CrownÆs expressed and claimed intentions to strive for a ôbetter and fairer empireö then you must take actions to prove the honesty of your ambitions: Spoken plainly you should withdraw from the 24th Crusade, release your slaves (I obviously have no faith in the fairness of Imperial criminal law for determining punitive guilt of individuals), and declare your opposition to the institution of slavery by standing rebellion to the prevailing hierarchy of the Empire. These are actions not mere empty words. And to the matter of the CVA dominated region of Providence, while this is a matter that has generated much debate over the years the reality is certain facts are now commonly established and generally unchallenged by any credible voice: -The CVA seized parts of Providence from the UshraÆkhan, stealing their labour and dominating the fruits of free matari infrastructure. Capturing enemy outposts is not moving without violence to a barren land. -The CVA did in fact enforce their viewpoint on the inhabitants of Providence since full settlement and moon mining rights were dependent on obeying the central CVA-administered standings list. -The CVA did also use their controlled intelligence channel to report the ôfriendly, neutral or hostileö status of 3rd parties to neutrals in absolute terms. Many times the NRDS ROE of the Star Fraction was ignored by the CVA leaders as they preferred to describe us to neutrals as ôpiratesö, ôgriefersö or ôrandom gankersö. On the notion of a unified NRDS policy I will say that the desire for such across hundreds of diverse and independent organizations can be as close tyranny as to brook no difference. Ultimately if you are telling 3rd party organizations that they must set a particular (to them neutral) organization -10 to gain access to infrastructure development on the frontier then you are involving them in your wars and reducing their free choice in fair diplomacy. For this reason we have always considered ôstandings-enclosedö NRDS to be fundamentally regressive since it promotes a top-down hierarchy where one small group of individuals or ruling entity come to dominate the diplomatic outlook and interactions of a submissive mass. You say the locals in Providence were supporting the CVA? I say they had no choice if they wanted to remain. Access to collective defence channels and infrastructural development rights were dependent on submission to the CVA standings list. We learned many times of the pressure brought to bear against neutrals who wished to remain neutral while we pursued targets who had attacked us under NBSI ideology elsewhere in Eve. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:19:00 - [220] And last ms Farel, I will agree that post CVA Providence was a ridiculous mess. The NIP/fight club ôbig hat coalitionö was a pointless, vapid, shiftless and deeply corrupt entity and we very quickly lost any illusion it could be otherwise. Yet we made our own choices and established our own outpost with genuine NRDS freespace principles without interference in 3rd party standings or threats to ensure compliance to our red lists. Our system infrastructure, docking services, moon-mining and bounty hunting wealth was open to anyone prepared to remain neutral and simply avoid firing on our ships. We did what we said the CVA should have done. But ultimately both efforts failed to the imperialist greed of regressive territorialism. This is now history; more interesting is what lays in the future for the ideologies we are speaking of: The CVA have their approach and I understand their leader now considers NRDS "unworkable" for nullsec settlement and has closed neutral access to their remaining holdings. The Fraction has decided to make a point of ensuring the theft of another's labour is a costly business via the aversion therapy of commerce raiding and assassination as we humiliate and tweak the pride of territorial juggernauts that think themselves beyond the reach of consequence and revenge. The historian may decide on the relative merits and faith expressed in these divergent approaches. Join the Revolution!

Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:03:00 - [221] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 18/02/2011 00:14:34 Originally by: Jade Constantine You fight to enslave the Matari people. No, I don't. I may have in the past worked with militia forces to shut down enemy bunkers in the Republic territory, but this is over. And I don't think anyone else in the Knighthood does. Originally by: Jade Constantine If you now admit you were wrong to report us speaking of ôabsoluteö anarchy in the terms you reported then fair enough. I admit nothing : I did not report you speaking of absolute anarchy. I was wrong nowhere here. You mentionned it, thinking that is what I meant in the first place when I mentionned SF anarchy. Here are my first words about it : "we will never share your anarchist views. Free for you to use them on your bunch of pilots, but enforcing them to everyone you meet is not an option here." Anyway, yes, fair enough as you say. Originally by: Jade Constantine Further, I simply do not believe that a majority (or even significant proportion) of the Amarrian populace do support the regime. It is an armed feudal theocracy and the price of demurral is a terrible one. You deliberatly forget the power of theocracy on the masses. The faith in the doctrine is the point here. Originally by: Jade Constantine Spoken plainly you should withdraw from the 24th Crusade, release your slaves (I obviously have no faith in the fairness of Imperial criminal law for determining punitive guilt of individuals), and declare your opposition to the institution of slavery by standing rebellion to the prevailing hierarchy of the Empire. I can't speak for all the Knighthood members. I myself released (almost) all the slaves owned by my own House a few months ago. The rest of them are a few dozen of criminals. They are way better treated than in any creepy jail (unlike for example the last cases of caldari war prisonners mistreated in the Federation prisons). Declaring our opposition to slavery ? I thought it was already done. You should ask Mr Shutaq about that. Besides that, you do not know very well how the Empire works in the inside, do you ? There is no standing rebellion : there are different political sides, some are actually in charge, some are not, like in every governement. The only difference is that because it is governed by an Emperor, the compromises have to come from below, and you know how deep the imperial administration is. Are you seriously asking me to take arms against the Empire and helping the minmatars ? Don't assume too much I am on their side, because I am definitly not. You think exactly like them : grab your autocannons, kill them all, ask the questions after, do not think to the consequences. And then you are speaking about consequences to me. Originally by: Jade Constantine -The CVA seized parts of Providence from the UshraÆkhan, stealing their labour and dominating the fruits of free matari infrastructure. Capturing enemy outposts is not moving without violence to a barren land. Indeed, and who started this war again ? It rings a familiar bell, like with the Elders, isn't it ? Originally by: Jade Constantine -The CVA did in fact enforce their viewpoint on the inhabitants of Providence since full settlement and moon mining rights were dependent on obeying the central CVA-administered standings list. Because I suppose in your own system everyone was free to shoot each other for the said moons, answering to no rules ? Like it or not, governements and civilization work like that.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:12:00 - [222] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 18/02/2011 00:12:20 Originally by: Jade Constantine -The CVA did also use their controlled intelligence channel to report the ôfriendly, neutral or hostileö status of 3rd parties to neutrals in absolute terms. Many times the NRDS ROE of the Star Fraction was ignored by the CVA leaders as they preferred to describe us to neutrals as ôpiratesö, ôgriefersö or ôrandom gankersö. I don't know what was the starting point of the war between SF and CVA. I would have to ask both parties I suppose. Originally by: Jade Constantine On the notion of a unified NRDS policy I will say that the desire for such across hundreds of diverse and independent organizations can be as close tyranny as to brook no difference. Ultimately if you are telling 3rd party organizations that they must set a particular (to them neutral) organization -10 to gain access to infrastructure development on the frontier then you are involving them in your wars and reducing their free choice in fair diplomacy. For this reason we have always considered ôstandings-enclosedö NRDS to be fundamentally regressive since it promotes a top-down hierarchy where one small group of individuals or ruling entity come to dominate the diplomatic outlook and interactions of a submissive mass. This is more or less what I was saying then : you just can't bear any form of government. But again, these neutrals chosed to live here, and were free to leave if the system was not to their taste. Apparently, it was, though. Like in the Federation, the State, the Empire, or the Republic. Originally by: Jade Constantine You say the locals in Providence were supporting the CVA? I say they had no choice if they wanted to remain. This just demonstrates how bad you knew the people living here. They were glad to help, motivated, full of resources when it came to defend their home. You obviously never were on the Citadel channel. You don't know what you are talking about, you are just assuming what best suits you. And, by the way, they were not forced to help the CVA against anyone. Neutrals were free to come in, or move out, to do their own business, following basic rules, like everywhere. The CVA was not forcing people to follow their NRDS, and never did any CTAs in the neutral population of Providence. Then yes, I did not envy you when I saw Ushra'Khand and SF caught in this whole mess. It has been pretty obvious from the beginning, though. In the end, you helped - or at least supported - to take down the NRDS here for the situation it is now.
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:31:00 - [223] I am deeply amused by Lynn's ability to in one phrase declare that she and the Knighthood are opposed to slavery and then in the next admit that they all still keep slaves. Well done and thank you. Biife
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:43:00 - [224] Originally by: Biife Stuhe I am deeply amused by Lynn's ability to in one phrase declare that she and the Knighthood are opposed to slavery and then in the next admit that they all still keep slaves. Well done and thank you. Biife You'll find that their corporation is rife with double standards. Typical of most organisations in the empire. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:56:00 - [225] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 18/02/2011 01:00:45 Originally by: Biife Stuhe I am deeply amused by Lynn's ability to in one phrase declare that she and the Knighthood are opposed to slavery and then in the next admit that they all still keep slaves. Well done and thank you. Biife You should read what people actually wrote. It would save us a lot of trouble, and avoid you to make a fool of yourself. Note 1 : My first name is Lyn. Note 2 : I do not know you. It sounds quite unrespectful to adress me like this. I am not your friend. What are your standards on respect and politeness if I may ask ?
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 02:15:00 - [226] I call you a hypocrite and your response is to criticize a typo? Shall I point out all of your grammar and spelling mistakes? There are quite a few of them. Nice attempt at a dodge there, slaver, but lets try to stay on topic. I read what you wrote. Don't make me quote your drivel back at you. I'll start speaking to you respectfully and politely when all of your slaves are freed. Biife
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 03:08:00 - [227] Ms Farel, first as a point of order I would advise you against the commonplace ôcut and chopö method of forum hurly-burly practised by some on the Intergalactic summit. While it might help to bang out a quick response in (apparent) refutation of points, the confusion and general lack of clarity in the multi quote format rarely adds up to a more than simply picking words from the air and speaking across one another rather than attempting to genuinely debate or change minds. IÆd strongly advise you to take notes on those elements of my speech you which to address and incorporate these into a natural presentation rather than quoting hither and thither. One quote is forgivable, half a dozen... less so. But moving swiftly on from that point of order, You take issue with my characterization of your corporation "aiding the fight to enslave the Matari." Having re-read your recruiting and general publicity material I can see why you believe you are simply ôdefendingö the Amarrian Empire by refusing to take place in offensive bunker captures in Matari space but you will have to acknowledge in return that it is my view that all Matari slaves held by the Amarrian people are immorally held and the Knighthood (by defending existing slave ranches and processing plants in Amarrian territory) is AS BAD to my view as you taking an active role in capturing more slaves alongside your fellow crusaders. Let me be plain: You have stated (as your public corporate material states) that you are committed to defending and maintaining the current Amarrian held systems in the Amarr/Minmatar conflict zone. This includes systems where Matari slaves are held by the Amarrian Empire. I consider your defence of this status quo as tantamount to the defence of the Slavery itself and I believe it makes a mockery of your public stated opposition to this institution (and of course we will later re-examine your stance on so-called ôcriminalö slavery to properly understand why this statement of "opposition" is not being taken as seriously as you might wish either). Still, I made the assertion that ôyou fight to enslave the Matari peopleö. It seems to me that you quibble over the tiniest point of definition so I will alter my accusation to ôyou fight to maintain the slavery of the Matari people (in those holdings where the Amarrian empire is dominant and you wish to maintain the status quo). I trust we will find agreement on this item now. Moving on. I think the sub-debate on the term ôabsolute anarchyö is now rather pointless since you have gained understanding on what I mean by the term anarchy and we both accept that actions invite consequence regardless of oneÆs political persuasions and ideals. On the ôpower of theocracyö it seems you partially agree with me. Yes the theocracy does have power over the masses, the power of terror, the power of oppression, the power of hierarchy and absolute fear. But we are talking about a population cowed by its masters, deluded by the precepts of monotheistic faith, and terrorized by the threat of living purgatory (slavery) if they would go against the prevailing order. I believe to claim this lower class mass of population can ôsupportö the theocracy is to say that a slave ôsupportsö his master. Certainly they might obey, but the term ôsupportö speaks of a degree of choice and preference that is lacking both majority demographics in the Imperium. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 03:11:00 - [228] Now, to your so-called ôcriminalö Slaves; for you to understand why this is not deemed a salutary demonstration of righteous benevolence on your part you must understand that Amarrian law is not respected, trusted, or deemed a worthwhile seal of approval at this juncture. After all, Amarrian law supports slavery, Amarrian law considers one racial/ethnic group is superior to another, Amarrian law believes in terms and concepts that the rest of the galaxy consider frankly ridiculous and whimsical at best. Your ôcriminalö slaves are therefore just slaves. That an unreliable tyrannical codex of laws dominated by irrational mythology terms a man a criminal does not make him any less a slave in the eyes of those who oppose the regime you serve. To oppose slavery the Knights of the Merciful Crown would need to well ... actually oppose slavery. Claiming to oppose something while fighting tooth and nail to defend it in the territories dominated by the Empire simply makes no sense. Just as claiming to hold no slaves (well apart from those slaves a corrupt and slaveholding state has condemned to slavery) also makes no sense. You ask me what the Knights of the Merciful Crown could actually do to make a stand? I tell you plainly, oppose the Amarrian Imperium, support the liberation of all Matari and other slaves in Imperial territory. Yes it will be difficult because you would be opposing a vast architecture of corrupt ingrained influence and cultural lassitude, but you really cannot play with freedom û to seek it you must fight for it. There is no room for mealy-mouthed platitudes about higher goals while you act as prison warders for those your masters term ôsubhuman cattleö in the farms and meadows of Huola. Sometimes you need to take up your slug-thrower and shoot a tyrant in the face ms Farel. That is simply the way of the universe. Most villains do not willingly give up their villainy without the overthrowing force of violent opposition to the status quo. Now then, to matters CVA (again): I simply reminded you that the CVA stole outposts belonging to the UshraÆkhan to refute your argument that the Amarrian Nationalists had found Providence barren and empty. One might point at parallels to the strangling of fledgling Matari culture on their homeworld when the Amarrian Empire stretched out its hands to claim all life to its prize and domain but we stray into ancient histories and it really doesnÆt matter who was right or wrong first when one side holds another in slavery and claims it is GodÆs will. To your question on how YWS0-Z was administered precisely so. We didnÆt insist that those seeking to develop towers and mining bases submit to our standings and we didnÆt interfere in 3rd party conflicts. We did as we thought best and have been fighting for all these years. When you go to say that we cannot bear ôany form of governmentö it would be fairer to say that we will not accept ôany form of coercive rulership that sets one individual above another in arbitrary hierarchyö. What is the purpose of such to the capsuleer class? Why should we not treat as equals and arrange our business on simple terms of mutual advantage and interest without treading the muck of planetside feudal dogma across the beautiful tapestry of stars? On the historical conflict between the Fraction and the CVA you will no doubt be amused to discover it began when we demanded that the CVA release a group of slaves (the Mamet 500) because we considered the ôgiftö of human beings from one holder to another to celebrate the depravity of the empire was an insult to our potential as post-human capsuleers with the power to make a difference. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 03:15:00 - [229] You make a telling statement on the issue of ôchoiceö û this being the choice of the residents of Providence to remain (and thereby set the enemies of the CVA hostile in exchange for mining, tower and collective security rights). Of course I can agree with you. The Providence residents did have a choice from the CVA û obey or leave. But then we could equally say that the victim of piracy has a choice too ... pay the ransom or die. These choices at the barrel of a gun are similar in essence. As for the Citadel channel, it was fully penetrated by Fraction agents within the CVAÆs own hierarchy from the time of our earliest conflicts with the Amarrian holders of Providence. We saw what was said and done there ms Farel, we saw the bullying, the lies, the mischaracterizations and assimilations of neutrality and we saw the truth face of standings enclosurism that soured the idealism of NRDS with instinct to dominate and control and make a new Amarrian province of the nullsec frontier. I made it plain before when I spoke specifically of infrastructural development rights, mining, defence channels and settlement when describing the coercive domineering of the CVA. You are correct in stating that random neutrals were not required to adopt the CVAÆs standings. But those who wished to do anything substantive in Providence most certainly were. Again you might respond this was their choice ... adopt CVA standings in exchange for moon mining or residency rights. And I would agree with you. But then we are talking about the difference in ideologies here. And it does rather come to reflect the ingrained instincts of a slave-owning theocratic hierarchy that needs to control its population in traditional paternalist bounds of control and oppression against the FractionÆs belief that the best society is one of genuinely free individuals cooperating purely form enlightened self-interest with none of the detritus of overarching government and corrupt administrative tyranny common to planetside regimes. Yes we did proudly play our part to destroy the NRDS of the CVA because it was NRDS turned to the interests of an Amarrian state which cannot bear to see free individuals associating to their preference and mutual interest. It was a corrupt and terrible twisting of free-space ideas existing as a caricatured reflection of the slave-farms and horror on the planets below. We helped burn it to the ground and tried to do better. And as I said earlier we are still fighting for our principles. The CVA decided theirs were impractical. History will decide who is right. Join the Revolution!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.18 10:46:00 - [230] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/02/2011 10:50:32 Originally by: Jade Constantine On the historical conflict between the Fraction and the CVA you will no doubt be amused to discover it began when we demanded that the CVA release a group of slaves (the Mamet 500) because we considered the ôgiftö of human beings from one holder to another to celebrate the depravity of the empire was an insult to our potential as post-human capsuleers with the power to make a difference. I'll let a CVA representative respond to the rest of the gross inaccuracies in your statements, but since I was in the CVA at the time this happened I'll just point out the origins of the conflict go back back to way before then. Also, I'll remind everyone that your Mamet 500 war wasn't simply motivated by a dislike of slavery, as you had at least one slave-owner in your alliance at the time. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.18 14:20:00 - [231] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 18/02/2011 14:26:14 Originally by: Rodj Blake <stuff> Hey Blake...thanks for setting me to orange (bad) status, I returned the favor in kind...of course, <sean bean gan aon fhuil>. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.18 14:36:00 - [232] Originally by: Jade Constantine History will decide who is right. "War is not a question of who is right, but who is left." God is greater. Serving the Dark Amarr
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 14:41:00 - [233] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 18/02/2011 14:41:44 Originally by: Biife Stuhe I call you a hypocrite and your response is to criticize a typo? Shall I point out all of your grammar and spelling mistakes? There are quite a few of them. Nice attempt at a dodge there, slaver, but lets try to stay on topic. I read what you wrote. Don't make me quote your drivel back at you. I'll start speaking to you respectfully and politely when all of your slaves are freed. Biife I know really well that I am sometimes missing spelling mistakes, as you say, because galactic standard language is not my native langage. At the contrary, I do not scorch people names. Whatever anyway, it is not a big deal, and it was not meant to offend you. So yes, back on topic, that is exactly what I thought : you are not able to make a difference between a prisonner and a slave, you just stop thinking each time you see the word "slave", which is a legal status in the Empire either for enslaved innocents and enslaved criminals. Too bad for you. But if you really want to take care of them instead of me, be my guest. I am pretty sure a good half of them is going to backslide again just at the moment you will free them.
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 15:03:00 - [234] Ms.Farel, I'll happily take custody of and release all of your allegedly 'criminal' slaves for you. I congratulate you on realizing the error of your ways and hope that the rest of the empire follows your example. Regards, Biife Stuhe
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 15:21:00 - [235] Ms Constantine, I am really sorry to have had to mutliquote you like that but you might understand that your inability to write concise messages makes the whole message you are trying to explain difficult to understand. That said, I chose the easy solution and I usually do not abuse of that kind of practice. ___ I also agree we are indirectly defending slavery but defending the Amarr territories, be it respectable Holders or rogue ones. This is a matter of priorities. The old priorities were centered on peace and global improvement of the relationships between each empire. They were also centered on the evolution of the Empire in itself. Now the war has been declared and that the political roster has drastically changed, the new priority is to repel an invasion before being able to do anything else, even if we can still work for our ideals at the same time. We consider nobody will gain anything by waring forever to kill slavers. Nobody will gain anything to kill the enemy capsuleers, because they are immortal. The key lies in the minds, and the changes that can happen here. All that to say I still find a little weird your choice to attack the Knighthood instead of more conventionnal hardliners. My feeling is just that you are always looking for scapegoats and examples for your own obnoxious biased doctrines. ___ Theocracy also implies faith. You have probably already met faithful and very religious people, I suppose. This is not even a matter of fear. Some may be subject to what you are describing. But a lot are definitly faithful in the doctrine : they are not oppressed and do not fear it, actually they fully support it, be it by ignorance, convinction, or choice. ___ Quote: Your ôcriminalö slaves are therefore just slaves. No, they are not. Not what you mean. It is just a legal word, and if it really bothers you, we shall then call them prisonners. Prisonners are not free, exactly like slaves. The common slave definition takes its roots in a form of labor too. Yes, they work : you will not correct their flaws by letting them sit in a dirty cell all the day. This is also a way to re adapt them to the life in Society, if possible, and the results are generally convincing enough to continue. ___ Concerning the Kngithood actions, we are already opposing the vastness of the Empire architecture. You are just aksing us to take arms against our own kind. This does even make less sense than us defending our own people. And don't tell me the Matari aggressors are all sugar with them. Who said the actual Empire are villains ? This is mainly why you are blinded by your own hatred. There is no need to discuss about it more if you continue to see it as black and white, and that is probably the difference between the Fraction and the Knighthood. ___ Concerning your moons administration, well, that was your choice to make it work that way. I do not even want to imagine the mess it was when letting people and 3rd parties fighting each other and spreading disorder in your territory. But that was your choice, and you will not make me believe you fought against CVA just on that only motive. About your statements concerning CVA and the locals, I can't say better than Admiral Blake : your inaccuracies are gross and full of demagogy. You criticize the will of the locals to be part of the CVA scheme in the region, but it works exactly like that in any form of governement. As you stated at the end of your message, the real motive that pushed you to fight CVA was because they were of imperial origin. Even with their NRDS ethics, like for the Knighthood, you chosed to fight the most questionnable targets. Your spies might have had a serious problem, I think. Are you sure they were not actually in another NBSI low sec alliance, where locals are treated like cattle for their rents
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 15:26:00 - [236] Originally by: Biife Stuhe Ms.Farel, I'll happily take custody of and release all of your allegedly 'criminal' slaves for you. I congratulate you on realizing the error of your ways and hope that the rest of the empire follows your example. Regards, Biife Stuhe I do not recognize anything. Where have you read such an imaginary thing ? Excuse me but you seriously seem to suffer from your own fantasy.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.18 15:28:00 - [237] Originally by: Lyn Farel Concerning the Kngithood actions, we are already opposing the vastness of the Empire architecture. Explain yourself. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 15:41:00 - [238] By supporting the end of slavery ? It is not really new.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 15:58:00 - [239] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 18/02/2011 16:00:30 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Lyn Farel Concerning the Kngithood actions, we are already opposing the vastness of the Empire architecture. Explain yourself. What is there to explain really now? She's clearly some kind of heretic. Here's another choice exhibit: Originally by: Lyn Farel I "don't give a damn" to the Scriptures, as you say. I consider them as pure spiritual texts, and that is what they basically are. And, thank you, I actually read them and get a lot of meaning in them. I do not believe either in any sort of higher being. [ref] You should recognise the signs surely? Capsuleers appointing themselves as the interpreters and explicators of the Scriptures; claiming to have the right in a theologico-imperial system to question one of its core pillars; questioning the reality of the supreme being. It's all so familiar. Or... ah yes, PIE doesn't have that storied a record of rooting out heretics even in its own ranks now does it? But surely you hadn't forgotten certain Blood Cultists when you were you drawing simplistic conclusions using a misleading logic of presence as causation earlier? As it goes, I fear that I have the most draining sense of deja vu... * The Cosmopolite chuckles... ...I tell you what, let us both withdraw and allow this most interesting discussion between my friend Jade and the rather confused heretico-crusader-enslaver-emancipator Farel continue without too much hair-splitting about past controversies. Fair enough? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.18 16:01:00 - [240] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/02/2011 16:10:01 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Lyn Farel Concerning the Kngithood actions, we are already opposing the vastness of the Empire architecture. Explain yourself. What is there to explain really now?. She's clearly some kind of heretic. Here's another choice exhibit: Originally by: Lyn Farel I "don't give a damn" to the Scriptures, as you say. I consider them as pure spiritual texts, and that is what they basically are. And, thank you, I actually read them and get a lot of meaning in them. I do not believe either in any sort of higher being. [ref] You should recognise the signs surely? Capsuleers appointing themselves as the interpreters and explicators of the Scriptures; claiming to have the right in a theologico-imperial system to question one of its core pillars; questioning the reality of the supreme being. It's all so familiar. Or... ah yes, PIE doesn't have that storied a record of rooting out heretics even in its own ranks now does it? But surely you hadn't forgotten certain Blood Cultists when you were you drawing simplistic conclusions using a misleading logic of presence as causation earlier? As it goes, I fear that I have the most draining sense of deja vu... * The Cosmopolite chuckles... ...I tell you what, let us both withdraw and allow this most interesting discussion between my friend Jade and the rather confused heretico-crusader-enslaver-emancipator Farel continue without too much hair-splitting about past controversies. Fair enough? The Cosmopolite I can assure you that I will be having discussions with Ms Farel's superiors. Not only about the incidents you mention but about at least one more as well. I'll be doing it in private though, since I wouldn't want to derail your thread. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2011.02.18 17:03:00 - [241] Edited by: Vaarun on 18/02/2011 17:04:01 Originally by: Lyn Farel By supporting the end of slavery ? It is not really new. The end to institutional slavery in the Empire has already been set into motion. My 8th generation slaves have all recently become quite popular as there is a great desire for one's children to be born free among the Empire's indentured. No more needs to be done except to help the newly emancipated to adjust to a life less regimented. Too quickly, we will be hard-pressed to move so many former slaves into citizenship so quickly. I have very few slaves which are less than 8th generation, and none below 5th. Within the next 40 years, all children born to slaves will be free, and within 80 years the vast majority of slaves not from a criminal lineage will have passed on. The only problem I see is the Matari will have to find a new reason to fight as their current "cause" will be moot. Even if all slaves were freed today, they would still find a reason to fight tomorrow, perhaps railing against our preference for baldness or claiming the golden color of our ships is an affront to one of their gods. It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight. Slavery was simply a a convenient justification for it. I will be interested to see what they will fight for next. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 17:04:00 - [242] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/02/2011 18:04:26 Apology accepted Ms Farel, I do appreciate that you have tidied up your newest reply. Thank you. I also acknowledge your admission on the support of slavery by defending Amarrian slavers and enslaved victims in the Imperial-claimed territories. Direct or Indirect is seldom relevant, whether the bloody-handed overseer at the razerwire fences around the murder pits or the capsuleer standing guard from orbit with beams and weapon drones, the intent is the same û the support and protection of a regime and practise and all that entails. Your further justification that since the Empire is in a state of war it is right for the Merciful Crown to delay/postpone its liberal/abolitionist aspirations is a very common historical tactic also. But understand ms Farel, you will never determine when and why and how the empire declares its wars aggressive or defensive so to abrogate your abolitionist room for manoeuvre in so complete a surrender to the empireÆs military engagement status does render the Merciful CrownÆs ôreforming agendaö effectively meaningless. If you have no way of influencing the entity you claim to want to change then why should your liberalist rhetoric be taken seriously? How exactly can you work for your ideals when you have surrendered the ability to criticise the Empire or oppose its regressive agendas while the forces in control ensure it will always be ôat warö and thus immune to your influence? This is a question that should keep your fellow Knights awake at night ms Farel. As for the FractionÆs choice to attack the Merciful Crown I am not sure why you find the choice weird ms Farel. We cycled war declarations around several dozen Crusader-aligned corporations to allow ourselves to engage their ships during our interventions in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone. You were the only one to dare make the war declaration mutual and declare eternal animosity so thus it remains. We destroyed, routed and humiliated many more hardline entities in our time in this region ms Farel, but you all defend Amarrian slavery by your deployment so all are equally suited to destruction in our eyes. Moving on, I am not sure that theocracy does imply faith actually. I think it simply implies government by those using religion to control the masses. Religion can exist without any faith at all. Religion can simply be used as a whip to punish the credulous as means of control for the sitting plutocracy. In my experience the truly faithful have little use for theocratic pomp and ceremony and do not seek the oppression of sentient life as a divine path. And I have long said that the Amarrian theocracy is more about sex than faith, and those clergymen and prelates that speak of educating and punishing and chiding their victims to learn lines from speculative fictional tracts to gain release from the sacred nipple clamps are simply playing out domination fantasies with helpless prisoners because they are too ugly to seek a consenting partner and too mean to pay a certified professional for the experience. On Prisoners/Slaves debate, all I can do is emphasise what I have said to you earlier: When one does not respect the law there is no legal basis for terminology that categorizes one victim a prisoner and another a slave, and I do not acknowledge the Amarrian ImperiumÆs right or moral authority to make laws ms Farel. I believe these prisoner/slaves you speak of are improperly held and immorally punished because I do not trust your government to behave fairly, reasonably, or with any sense of equality. Lets consider a simple "crime". Your empire considers it a crime to spit on the image of the Emperor? Why? What harm is done? Who is harmed, what loss is incurred? Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 17:11:00 - [243] Now, if I owned a statue and somebody spat upon it I might reasonably ask them to make good the ôcrimeö by wiping it off and giving it a quick polish. That way justice and fair equity is done û there is no deeper meaning or ônationalist prideö to be considered in the matter û simple a possession slightly marred and fair to seek reasonable redress. But in your society the "criminal" in this case would be carted off to the inquisition, tortured, beaten and hurled into prison for expressing their feelings about a distant corrupt politician. How then can I have any belief in the virtue and fairness of your criminal system when it falls so wildly divergent from my own? You talk of correcting the flaws in the your victims à and this is very close to my eyes to the psycho/sexual motive of the Amarrian priesthood seeking paternal abuse/contrition games for personal gratification and is deeply suspect at best. You Amarrians make a fetish out of re-education and brainwashing û it is rather disgusting and would be best kept in private between consenting individuals. But the conclusion is you cannot be trusted to speak of justice and criminality while the basis of your government is essentially lets-pretend dressing up games and platitudes spoken of mythology in the sky. You need some genuinely grown-up systems of interaction and consensus in place before you can be considered equal, let alone intellectually-persuasive on such issues. So back to broader questions of foreign relations and quibling about who shot who first and villainy or lack therein, it really is a pointless subject of debate: As I said earlier itÆs irrelevant who fired the first shot, since by holding slaves and practising a mockery of a justice system you invite attack from anyone of sound mind and fair outlook. On matters of the Matari government, we have a colourful history there and something you said a post or two ago is pertinent, we do oppose all governments on principle yes. We simply do not believe that aspirant post-humanity has a need for such things anymore. The Matari are not sugar and sweetness and they are as prone to corruption as any people establishing governments and civil structures, but they are in the right in their conflict with the Amarrian Empire because the most profound right of humanity is the right to fight the power that would enslave them. The Fraction cares nothing for control ms Farel, we care about freedom, we want trading partners and comrades with the freedom to choose how to live their lives and cooperate and interact as they see fit. At present the Matari republic is the least corrupt of the major governments of New Eden and most likely to allow separatist splinters, independence movements, breakaways and free colonies. The Matari are a fiercely independent tribal people, empire does not come naturally. With final regard to Providence situation, be assured our policies worked well ms Farel, the frontier is vast and there are moons enough for anyone to exploit. What you describe as a ômessö when 3rd parties fight is simply what freedom looks like. It is messy, it is inexact and sometimes baffling but it is also beautiful and pure. Stop believing you need to control everything in the universe for things to work! On CVA era history, really, you would do well not to parrot the words of the clusters most notorious liar in this thead! Pilot Blake is a blustering old has-been discredited years ago. I consider he fills the role of a drunken tramp in a tuppeny melodrama most of the time, coughing out platitudes he no longer understands while lamenting the passing of prestige he never really owned. If anything itÆs a melancholy morality tale on the perils of theocracy and strong drink. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 17:13:00 - [244] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/02/2011 18:09:33 But yes, you say that we criticise the coercive manipulations employed by the CVA wrongly because ôany form of governmentö (works that way). Well that is largely why we stand opposed to these governments. And yes of course, we helped destroy the CVA power in Providence because we opposed their expansion of corrupt imperialism to the once-free regions of the frontier. NRDS or NBSI rules of engagement employed to spread a vile theocratic regime across a hundred star systems must be opposed by any lover of freedom. On a final point ms Farel, you did appear to offer to free your personal slaves and give them over to the fair attentions of my comrade in your earlier post. I encourage you to do this. The Fraction will guarantee the safety of the ship you use to bring these people to Kamela if you inform us clearly in advance of the time and route of your transit. Until we next speak. Join the Revolution!
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.02.18 18:18:00 - [245] Originally by: Vaarun The only problem I see is the Matari will have to find a new reason to fight as their current "cause" will be moot. Even if all slaves were freed today, they would still find a reason to fight tomorrow, perhaps railing against our preference for baldness or claiming the golden color of our ships is an affront to one of their gods. It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight. Slavery was simply a a convenient justification for it. I will be interested to see what they will fight for next. Don't worry, you aren't the only group of despicable slavers. The Raiders, Cartel, Nation and so on should keep us busy even should the Amarrians reform and free our people.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 18:38:00 - [246] Originally by: Vaarun It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight. It is in the nature of every sentient mind to fight Vaarun. When you crawled from the womb as an infant and sucked a breath from the air in triumph over death your primal scream was a challenge to entropy, to stasis and all the laws of the physical universe that made that spark of life so completely unlikely. We are born to fight. All of us. We fight every second of every minute of every day. We fight with the mind and body, with the heart and soul, our existence is a constant enduring struggle against melancholy and decay, against genetics and evolution and against the immutable laws of personal extinction which exist in the terrible sterile radiation of the cruel and wonderous universe. Show me a man of peace and I will show you a liar. Join the Revolution!
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.18 19:10:00 - [247] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 18/02/2011 19:15:15 Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.18 19:18:00 - [248] Originally by: Syn Callibri <is stunned speechless by Jade's profound commentary> I have ways to leave people stunned speechless too. Permanentely. I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight. I believe that my lover has already expressed that somewhere. I start to feel highly unconfortable by seeing the ticker of your corporation invading my lover's thread with ridiculous unrequited flattering. Now I start to know why your daughter is so clueless. You start to dissapoint me and sever my patience and slight measure of respect I had for you thus far. I'll leave you to decide wether this is a good or bad thing. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.18 19:23:00 - [249] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 18/02/2011 19:32:02 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Syn Callibri <is stunned speechless by Jade's profound commentary> I have ways to leave people stunned speechless too. Permanentely. I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight. I believe that my lover has already expressed that somewhere. I start to feel highly unconfortable by seeing the ticker of your corporation invading my lover's thread with ridiculous unrequited flattering. Now I start to know why your daughter is so clueless. You start to dissapoint me and sever my patience and slight measure of respect I had for you thus far. I'll leave you to decide wether this is a good or bad thing. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Hence why any comment was removed before your response...I thought better of it. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.18 19:34:00 - [250] Originally by: Syn Callibri Hence why any comment was removed before your response...I thought better of it. Appreciated. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free.

Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.18 19:41:00 - [251] Originally by: Revan Neferis I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight. My cousin tends to be polite to a fault ... Buy Justice!
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:55:00 - [252] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 19/02/2011 12:55:46 I think we have discussed of most of what had to be, Ms Constantine. If you can't accept the simple point that we do not condone violence against the amarrian people for the liberation of slaves, we do not need to discuss about it more. And note to admiral Blake : I am saddened to see that you are going to do exactly what The Cosmopolite wanted in the first place with his pretty clueless message. Originally by: Vaarun Edited by: Vaarun on 18/02/2011 17:04:01 Originally by: Lyn Farel By supporting the end of slavery ? It is not really new. The end to institutional slavery in the Empire has already been set into motion. My 8th generation slaves have all recently become quite popular as there is a great desire for one's children to be born free among the Empire's indentured. No more needs to be done except to help the newly emancipated to adjust to a life less regimented. Too quickly, we will be hard-pressed to move so many former slaves into citizenship so quickly. I have very few slaves which are less than 8th generation, and none below 5th. Within the next 40 years, all children born to slaves will be free, and within 80 years the vast majority of slaves not from a criminal lineage will have passed on. The only problem I see is the Matari will have to find a new reason to fight as their current "cause" will be moot. Even if all slaves were freed today, they would still find a reason to fight tomorrow, perhaps railing against our preference for baldness or claiming the golden color of our ships is an affront to one of their gods. It is in the nature of the native-Matari to fight. Slavery was simply a a convenient justification for it. I will be interested to see what they will fight for next. That is exactly what I was saying, really. I do wonder why hardliners are so quick to draw here theological quotes of myself. In the past the Empire was a place for enlightment and discussion, and not for witch hunts and autodafTs. I am not doing anything else than what you are yourself doing concerning slavery.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.19 15:24:00 - [253] Except that Vaarun describes a fantasy no less risible than the fantasy that the Amarr Empire was ever a place of free thought and open debate. There are millions upon millions of 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation slaves languishing in bondage within the Amarr Empire. Every day, new slaves are taken or acquired or entered into the books and are regarded in Amarr law as '1st generation'. Furthermore, the implication of a partial, generation-based emancipation without repudiation of the principle of slavery by raid and conquest is clear. The Empire's thirst for slaves will, if anything, get even greater as its population swells and the religious and feudal mandate for slave-taking proceeds as it has for centuries. The emancipation of the 9th generation without the rest and without a repudiation of slavery is the clearest signal of intent. The Amarr Empire intends to continue the Reclaiming and only in that context does it feel able to release from one level of bondage those it has suborned and brainwashed. Moreover, it is fairly clear that there is a deliberate policy of undermining opposition to the evils of the Amarr religion by using these 9th generation slaves and their religious leaders; the latter all released no matter what generation they came from so as to give maximum impetus to this campaign of subversion. The simple reality remains as it was before the Great Sow-Heretic Sarum took the Imperial Throne: slavery can legitimately be opposed with that violence which is so often and so sadly the only effective means to extirpate it. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.19 16:31:00 - [254] Originally by: Lyn Farel And note to admiral Blake : I am saddened to see that you are going to do exactly what The Cosmopolite wanted in the first place with his pretty clueless message. I can assure you that I do not allow the bleatings of race-traitors such as The Cosmopolite to affect my behaviour - I was going to contact Aldrith about your behaviour anyway, and one of the issues that I have raised was not mentioned by him. You should be grateful that I have done this rather than calling you out in public for your misdemeanours. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.19 17:23:00 - [255] Originally by: Rodj Blake [...] race-traitors such as The Cosmopolite [...] Given that I do not advocate the enslavement, conquest or destruction of my people, nor either their thralldom within a totalitarian system, I consider the usage rather fallacious. However, I understand it is used solely to provoke and so I will simply laugh at its use by someone who in my view merits it as an appellation rather more than I. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.19 17:41:00 - [256] On the subject of CVA's dedication to principles, specifically as applies to our NRDS rules of engagement... ...we have continually refused many offers of assistance from powerful organizations on the specific grounds of refusal by those organizations to adopt our NRDS standards. We have most certainly not sold out on principles, even when the incentive to do so is currently great. The primary hang-up between CVA and the Fractionites as regards the administration of free space or setting up a free trade zone played out beautifully in Providence from a certain perspective. Fractionites have long accused CVA of standings enclosurism; CVA has long maintained without some guiding hand to keep the peace, anarchy would ensue. Our yoke was easy and our burden was light for any who wanted to come to Providence and seek opportunity. We had rules, we enforced those rules. This was called "enclosurism." When we were defeated, the rules went away. Now there is chaos. Where Ms Constantine feels the need to undermine what was, I say what is proves the point that free space can never be without law and enforcement.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.19 18:04:00 - [257] Originally by: Rodj Blake You should be grateful that I have done this rather than calling you out in public for your misdemeanours. Isn't it what you are doing right now ?
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.19 18:16:00 - [258] Originally by: Garreck When we were defeated, the rules went away. Now there is chaos. Where Ms Constantine feels the need to undermine what was, I say what is proves the point that free space can never be without law and enforcement. Better to say, when you were defeated your rules went away and for a space there was a free federation of allies. Alas that space was all too short and any chaos was caused by the arrogant attempt by a short-sighted band of fools to impose a new set of rules on those who inhabited Free Providence. They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.19 23:38:00 - [259] Originally by: The Cosmopolite They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma. This is true. And the short-lived nature of that regime vs the long-standing success CVA and the Holders realized is only one bit of evidence that gives lie to any implied oppression by CVA.
Biife Stuhe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.20 00:16:00 - [260] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: The Cosmopolite They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma. This is true. And the short-lived nature of that regime vs the long-standing success CVA and the Holders realized is only one bit of evidence that gives lie to any implied oppression by CVA. Just because your enclosurist regime lasted a long time doesn't mean it wasn't oppressive. Many oppressive regimes have endured far longer than they ought to have. A certain Empire comes to mind... Biife

The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.20 06:51:00 - [261] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: The Cosmopolite They paid the price for their arrogance and demonstrated, rather, the inherent weakness of imposed allegiances rather than those freely entered into by associations unfettered by statist and imperialist dogma. This is true. And the short-lived nature of that regime vs the long-standing success CVA and the Holders realized is only one bit of evidence that gives lie to any implied oppression by CVA. I fear your adducement of even the tiniest mosaic tile's worth of 'evidence' in this regard is based on seriously skewed premises and a healthy dollop of wishful-thinking here, old foe. The political base conditions in the two cases were different in so many ways that it is almost impossible to compare them. Your imperium was an openly feudal system based on the conquest by the CVA of the Providence region aided by allies who all acknowledged the political supremacy of the CVA in that region. All later allies were made to acknowledge that supremacy. Those that became the 'Holders' in the CVA's feudal system acknowledged that supremacy in return for defined territories and a place in the system of military aid organised under CVA leadership. The system was notionally held together as a true feudalism but was in reality an imperial feudalism. By true feudalism, I mean a system where substantial rights and responsibilities are held and acknowledged by both vassal and liege. In the end, at a critical moment I might add, the illusion amongst the 'Holders' that they had serious political rights within a true feudal system was sundered and it became clear that they had only ever been considered serfs and levy troops in an imperial feudalism where the only rights were those held by the liege and the only responsibilities were those of the slaves to fight and die for their masters. It was not, I think, a great surprise that in the light of this revelation many of those erstwhile serfs declined to take up arms to defend the lands of the lord. In the case of the, indeed, short-lived Free Providence, the situation was one where a variety of allies in the struggle to defeat the CVA came together as fully equal partners in a region where all the necessary issues were to be decided within a free association of alliances resident in the region. This followed the abeyance of the 'AAA NIP' and the adoption of the 'Providence Council NIP'. The Star Fraction were at no time subject to the former but were members of the freely-agreed latter. I have detailed the collapse of freedom and democracy as serious principles within the 'Providence Council' at length earlier in this thread; suffice to say: hegemonically-minded elements attempted to impose their will using the threat of force, they were resisted, conflict ensued and inevitably there was violence and Free Providence was butchered from within by traitors and usurpers. Once Providence came to resemble a rotting carcass it was hardly a surprise that vultures arrived in force to take possession. Such is life. I do not think any of this proves in any whit the proposition that the CVA-ruled dominion lacked oppression nor yet the proposition that without a state there must be chaos. It was precisely the attempt to impose anew a state in the face of determined resistance (and competing claims to primacy within such a state) that led to the mayhem. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.20 22:50:00 - [262] Originally by: Lyn Farel I think we have discussed of most of what had to be, Ms Constantine. If you can't accept the simple point that we do not condone violence against the amarrian people for the liberation of slaves, we do not need to discuss about it more. Perhaps it is so, still I felt the discussion was an interesting and informative one. Clearly we will not agree on the justified use of violence against those who use violence to enforce the unnatural state of slavery on others. Ultimately you have chosen your side ms Farel and I think in the future we have clarified the status of the Merciful Crown as willing defenders of slavery in the Amarrian Empire. Join the Revolution!
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.21 13:50:00 - [263] If by "we" you mean, you, the Star Fraction, then, I do not really care. I have myself clarified your lack of openness and your need for blood, even if it is not a surprise.
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.21 13:55:00 - [264] A minor correction Ms. Constantine. If you make a careful note of history, you will see that the owning of slaves has occured in almost every major society. Some have tried to deny their history. Some have renounced the custom. But I'm sure you will find that slavery is more often the normal state of affairs than it isn't. Serving the Dark Amarr
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.21 17:52:00 - [265] Originally by: Sinjin Mokk If you make a careful note of history, you will see that the owning of slaves has occured in almost every major society. Some have tried to deny their history. Some have renounced the custom. But I'm sure you will find that slavery is more often the normal state of affairs than it isn't. I will readily grant that it is true that slavery, in one form or another, appears to have existed in one or other of the cultures of the major home planets of the New Eden cluster at some point in the past. However, the key point is that it has usually been in the past and the 'normal' state of affairs when it comes to the historical development of cultures is that slavery is recognised as the loathesome pest that it is and renounced. Tragically, when it comes to my people, this normal course of development was arrested and diverted by an even greater pestilence than slavery itself: religion. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.23 18:03:00 - [266] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Revan Neferis I give special attention to those who seem to not perceive that acid baths and face-offs to make minmatar drums aren't an efficient way for someone to say: get out of my sight. My cousin tends to be polite to a fault ... Since the last happenings around New Eden... I'm not sure if this comment is really applicable anymore. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.23 18:26:00 - [267] Was a reason I said "tends" ... Buy Justice!
Revan Neferis Amarr Propaganda Due	Posted - 2011.02.24 15:12:00 - [268] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Was a reason I said "tends" ... That's also unconvincing of late Jasmine. I see that my lover is finally overcoming this flaw of being strangely polite with plebeians and worms. RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Instinctively you come to me, cause your an addict and you'll have it. You don't want to be free.
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.25 18:41:00 - [269] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Tragically, when it comes to my people, this normal course of development was arrested and diverted by an even greater pestilence than slavery itself: religion. The Cosmopolite This is a statement of ignorance to the Nth degree. Perhaps the etymology of words has long since departed from many in New Eden since the EVE gate collapsed, but from what I remember of the old world, the word "University" stems from two separate words in one of the ancient tongues of earth. Uni - meaning "one" Veritas -meaning "truth" The whole concept of the University was founded on the belief that the study of all things in existence can find their common root in God. To have a place where mathematics, literature, biology, chemistry, etc. etc. all have a common denominator (the creator) could be studied in depth. And the pursuit of this knowledge, was to further the goal of knowing and understanding the Creator even further. As the ancient saying goes... "it is no wonder modern science was born in a God-fearing Europe". The same principle follows of Amarr Cosmpolite. It was Amarr who first took to the stars. It was Amarr who first discovered jump gate technology. The list goes on. The Gallenteans version of freedom means that the poor and destitute become prostitutes or exotic dancers. The Caldari are slaves to mammon. The matari are wayward and listless succumbed to their infighting and smorgasbord of beliefs. Religion indeed can be a pestilence, if it is lifeless and based on false gods. But let us not confuse religion with true faith. It is the faith of Amarr which has stood the test of time. Take stock of Republic space and compare it to the faithful of the Ammatars. It was no wonder they refused to leave with the Elders. We gave them schools, hospitals, and a thriving and independent economy. Proof that we are not hellbent on subjugating the universe to make life easier for Amarr. The Will of God was that Amarr would go forth and reclaim that which is His, and to cultivate the spirit of man. The Amarr have been the champions of great good. And no one has claimed Amarr as perfection, only God is. This is even written of in the scriptures, that we root out the evil within. So we are not without our checks and balances as some would so ignorantly claim. I feel that you spoke too soon wayward brother. Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.02.25 19:02:00 - [270] Originally by: Rytha Main Originally by: The Cosmopolite Tragically, when it comes to my people, this normal course of development was arrested and diverted by an even greater pestilence than slavery itself: religion. The Cosmopolite This is a statement of ignorance to the Nth degree. Perhaps the etymology of words has long since departed from many in New Eden since the EVE gate collapsed, but from what I remember of the old world, the word "University" stems from two separate words in one of the ancient tongues of earth. Uni - meaning "one" Veritas -meaning "truth" Alas for your claims to etymological expertise this is not so and I fear that you have belaboured under the twisted tutelage of rabble-rousing monks in this regard. The ancient root word 'veritas' has nothing whatever to do with our Athran term 'university'. Rather, the term derives from the word 'universe' which itself is a composite of two ancient Athran roots 'uni' and 'versus'. In essence, the term 'universe' means in its origins 'become one' or, in its truest meaning, 'the whole'. A university is thus an institution where the whole is studied. In the case of truth the hope and expectation would be that the whole truth is what is available for study by those attending rather than someone's crazed notion of 'one truth'. Sadly, when it comes to certain aspects of the whole in which we are constituent elements, the truth is not taught in its fullest expression in Amarr universities. There again, I fear this is the case with most state-supported universities. I will say that for Amarr insitutions, my alma mater of Hedion comes closest to a wide appreciation of the whole truth but still suffers from blindness when it comes to many important aspects of reality. I really feel that your ranting explication of the alleged priority of the Amarr Empire and alleged virtues of the Amarr faith is as flawed as your etymology but I don't feel the need to rebut obvious nonsense point by point. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal



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