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Lastkahnmorder
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Posted - 2005.01.07 02:36:00 -
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Special Thanks to the Moderators and Devs for their swift and infomative responses to the many questions asked by the community.
Firstly I want to take the time to firstly say that there are griefers out there that are using the Barge Killing Guild Name to cause grief to other players. i.e. Podding Ore theft etc. We do not and will not Loot, grief or abuse other players.
To name a few, Bokkler, Lord Vander and Blessed Angel
Our motives and methods are set out very plainly for all to see on the website and in our charter.
Yes I use and Alt, yes I use my alt to blow things up. NO i will not be deleting him anytime this year. Why because he was created to do the things my main will not.
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
I'm certain i will receive various mails and junk under this post flaming it but i will not bother posting anything further. The Guild was set up to stop the mindless stripping of minerals in empire space.
The day after I personally blew a barge i was contacted by the owner of that barge. Agreeing with our charter and asking to join our guild. That to me means i have made people think. I'm not out to pod people. i'm not out to get glory. I just want my minerals like the rest of you.
If your greedy and take more than what is yours you will fall foul eventually.
I ask the moderators to lock this thread as soon as possible to stop the mindless posting of flaming trolling and general abuse. I'm here to make a statement and not to cause uproar.
Those of you that don't agree with my ideals. Fair enough. I don't agree with alliance and corp mentallity. I certainly don't agree with Pirates. However you don't see me ranting for hours on end.
My last word has been said and I'd like to thank the Mods, the Devs and all of CCP for a great game that some idiot always finds a way to exploit. I know your not gods all I ask is you look at this constructively and not listen to the rantings of an ill informed child.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.07 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/01/2005 02:45:20
So how does blowing up random newbies in mining barges prevent corps from strip mining high sec space? 
Also i find not deleting hard to believe, after you reach -3 you cant enter 1.0, then what?
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.07 02:45:00 -
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I have a counter offer for you then. Since you seem to be trying to roleplay this "behavior" now how about this.
The public opinion of Eve is powerful. How about posting the names of these strip mining corps when you see them? How about decalring war on them directly? I know your not talking about the 4-5 man corp who mines a few days a month. Your talking about these big alliance corps with 200 members who drag 10 BS and 11 barges into 1.0 space and mine it out. I personally agree with you to a point when they mine in 1.0 newbie systems. Other systems I give them more leeway.
The Eve community stood up to the barge griefers and the Devs are going to take action and have laid down the law. How about trying to get that same public opinion on your side then? Publically humiliate these uber-strip mining corps. Declare war on them directly pay the 1m a week and blast them all you want.
Until you do that your still exploiting a flaw in the system. That flaw is because RP or not your still "griefing". How? Because your using an alt AND you know they wont or cant fire on your first. In other words your first "barrage" of missiles will do in the barge. There is no retaliation and no way of protecting themselves. If you were to join a corporation and do this I'd say "have fun" to you. Then the miners would be able to defend themselves against you. But until you do that nothing changes.
I noticed Ryctor has created a corp and from the description appears to continue killing barges. But he is #1) using his main character not a lame alt and #2) creating a corp that people can declare on so they can defend themselves.
If you intend to continue using this alt as you say there is NO REASON for you not to create a corporation. Doing that gives you the credibility and the risk for your actions.
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whathappened
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:06:00 -
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I am sorry, but what gives you the right to demand money from anybody wanting to mine in any space? and even worse to demand people dont mine a roid below a certain level.
did i miss the email sent out imforming me of the new subscrption fee? i pay my money each month to play this game, and no where does it say i have to pay for the right to mine. if i want to get in my barge and mine a belt clean. i have that right, and you and nobody else can tell me otherwise.
yes the fact i was extremely pee'd off when i first started playing and was doing the tutorial missions. but couldnt find a roid to mine in the system, made me never really mine anywhere near 1.0. and that was my personal preference out of consideration for newer players. however your whole approach to this IMHO is nothing but griefing, how many new players are gonna listen to you and your demands in empire space? probably none cos i owuld just lol at you too. so you blow them up, and make them annoyed because they just lost thier ship they spent a few weeks training to get into and saved for.
tell you what bud, lets see you and your griefing friends enforce this BS ona group of apocs with drones strip mining a belt. ih that right wont be able to do that so easy will you. the crunch of it is, your using CCP's good judgement in allowing people to redsign thier avatars to create disposable alts, for the sole purpose of destroying or blackmailing people. and whats the worst part you are worse than a pirate, because you dont have the brass balls to be honest about. cos when your sec rating drops too far, what will you do? delete and create another alt. at least a real pirate keeps thier avatar.
so to sum it up your basically a blackmailing, noob griefing, exploiter, who doesnt even have the brass to be a real pirate. you should be ashamed of yourself, for even considering this to be a acceptable act. |
Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:41:00 -
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Well, if you are so darn rightious then use your main or create a Corp with your alt gankers so people can defend themselves.
But since the socalled rightiousness you claim to hold so high only works in your benefit I won't see that happen.
Atleast some people have the balls to either use their main to do stuff like this or create a corp to put their gankers in so the chances are even again.
Yet you hide in a n00bcorp and thus create something lame.
The fact you can attack first and don't have to worry since it's only an alt which, when needed< can be deleted.
You can have 2 alts on your account so instead of comming forward and just tell it as it is, stately the fact when this alt get's a too low secrating to do this gankingstuff you will delete him anyways.
This however won't have to be in the near future since you will have a second alt doing the same lame stuff.
Well mister high and mighty. Get of your high horse of retribution.
Who gave you the godgiven right to put out rules like your stating.
By doing this you are far worse then those 0.0 hogging pirates in alliance space. Atleast they have the chance they get hit first in an attack, your alt is safe till he fired his first barrage.
Now you will claim that the other ship ( the barge) could launch it drones at you first, but this will still result in the same, he looses his barge and you can have a laugh.
Your whole attitude is sick to the bone and I hope that one day there will be a possibility to track down mains of alts because nothing would give me more pleasure then comming over and kicking you all over EVE Universe.
By the way, I DO post with my main character and I use my Alt for my corporations and allso for new players benefits instead of walking the thin line of rules and dodging the blows back.
Be a man and mail me your main. I will be a man and won't tell anyone, just come track you down and settle this like men with a spine.
(Not likely to happen since using an alt allready is proove enough your probably the lamest person in this game together with your rank of looser buddies hidding behind their alts.
I hope I get kicked from the forums for verbal abuse of a lamer.
But I hope even more to get hold of your sorry ass.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:43:00 -
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Hey look, I'm not an alt.
Second. I will mine in a barge in empire for my needed ores whenever I need it, and you and your 'Guild' are full of you know what.
Third, quote from Oveur "Under no circumstances is using ho's for killing anything else than griefing and abuse of trial and/or character system by recycling. Under all circumstances, all accounts traced to this account will be banned, usually without warning."
You can not continue this tactic in empire without recycling alts. Therefore, you're guilty, and will be petitioned.
Last. You're a griefer, plain and simple. That's all you are, and not only that, but a pathetic griefer who goes after defenseless targets that can't shoot you, or be defended. You don't even specifically target belt rapers, you just randomly assume that someone in a barge in empire is violating your made up little rulebook. "We will destroy ANY barge that is found in empire space." That's directly from your website.
Stop trying to justify your pathetic actions by getting on a soapbox, its as pathetic as posting with your alts is.
I encourage anyone attacked by these griefers to petition.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:55:00 -
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You can not continue this tactic in empire without recycling alts.
I can and am, using my main just means I have to NPC every now and then to drop my sec. See ya in space Cowboy. 
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lodhi on 07/01/2005 04:03:52
Originally by: Lastkahnmorder
Special Thanks to the Moderators and Devs for their swift and infomative responses to the many questions asked by the community.
Firstly I want to take the time to firstly say that there are griefers out there that are using the Barge Killing Guild Name to cause grief to other players. i.e. Podding Ore theft etc. We do not and will not Loot, grief or abuse other players.
To name a few, Bokkler, Lord Vander and Blessed Angel
Our motives and methods are set out very plainly for all to see on the website and in our charter.
Yes I use and Alt, yes I use my alt to blow things up. NO i will not be deleting him anytime this year. Why because he was created to do the things my main will not.
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
I'm certain i will receive various mails and junk under this post flaming it but i will not bother posting anything further. The Guild was set up to stop the mindless stripping of minerals in empire space.
The day after I personally blew a barge i was contacted by the owner of that barge. Agreeing with our charter and asking to join our guild. That to me means i have made people think. I'm not out to pod people. i'm not out to get glory. I just want my minerals like the rest of you.
If your greedy and take more than what is yours you will fall foul eventually.
I ask the moderators to lock this thread as soon as possible to stop the mindless posting of flaming trolling and general abuse. I'm here to make a statement and not to cause uproar.
Those of you that don't agree with my ideals. Fair enough. I don't agree with alliance and corp mentallity. I certainly don't agree with Pirates. However you don't see me ranting for hours on end.
My last word has been said and I'd like to thank the Mods, the Devs and all of CCP for a great game that some idiot always finds a way to exploit. I know your not gods all I ask is you look at this constructively and not listen to the rantings of an ill informed child.
hahah, man that's funny 
Mah alt cleared 3 roids belt's last night, care to come after him?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lastkahnmorder
I ask the moderators to lock this thread as soon as possible to stop the mindless posting of flaming trolling and general abuse. I'm here to make a statement and not to cause uproar.
Yes, with that kind of post you will not create an uproar. Anyway, the forum is a two way street, we will not lock this thread as long as people behave.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:46:00 -
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There is 0.0 where there are no powers actively hunting neutrals. Or join an alliance. Or carve your OWN niche out.
If you can't hack it, harrasing players in high sec space is a bad alternative.
Ice mining in particular in higher sec space is worthwhile (and not "strip mining") because of ice ore distribution - I think that's silly on CCP's part, but eh. That's how it is.
I do PvP. You grief. Hope people see the distinction QUITE clearly in future.
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Tel'Karas
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:01:00 -
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Looks like an attempt at extortion to me...
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:02:00 -
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I wonder that if I create and Alt to gank those alt's, am I griefing then?
Well, maybe time to find out, since I have 2 accounts there is no real harm for my main.
Only difference is that my main is known.
Since mister Rightious thinks the use of an alt to enforce his will on the public is well withing the game mechanics then creating an alt to track his alt down and gank them is within the mechanics aswell.
Hereby I am going to create an alt who will create a Corp with the sole intention to gank the gankers.
Anyone who wants to join in is more then welcome. I can use my main for the location agents which is allso well within the game mechanics.
I will even train my alt on my second account up so the Corp of alts can grow a bit to get a good wing of Bargekiller gankers.
I will even finance as much of the fleet as I can so that the cost of this project will be covered for as much as I can.
So. Looking for alts to create a Corp to take out these bargekilling alts.
I will train my alt's corporation management skills up and post when the corp is founded and where the HQ is. I hope to see a lot of alts.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:04:00 -
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Anyone who has enough skills to use mining barge is by no means a newbie. Everything is fair and square here
can't actively defend yourself in high sec? get some to shield/armor repair you. Or think of some other solution, don't take your losses personaly
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
Anyone who has enough skills to use mining barge is by no means a newbie. Everything is fair and square here
can't actively defend yourself in high sec? get some to shield/armor repair you. Or think of some other solution, don't take your losses personaly
You sir are an *snip* and I think that about sums up the thoughts of 99% of the people who will read what you just wrote.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 07/01/2005 05:21:30
This post should be locked before Killer, Damien and the rest of their Raging Fluffy bunbun friends crawl out from under the rocks to fling flaming poo at people.
Make Flame love not Flame war 
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:21:00 -
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So what do you hope to accomplish? Put the sec-space miners back in Apocs?
Why don't you kill macro miners, that would acctually help the game.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Edited by: Ryctor on 07/01/2005 05:21:30
This post should be locked before Killer, Damien and the rest of their Raging Fluffy bunbun friends crawl out from under the rocks to fling flaming poo at people.
Make Flame love not Flame war
Please leave the moderating to us, the moderators. If you have any questions you are welcome to email [email protected]. 
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:28:00 -
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as i understand from what Oveur said its fine and you can continue unless you delete your alts once they got bad sec rating.
if you go and kill NPC to raise their sec rating again its ok but if you just delete them and create new ones instead your "finito", and all you accounts will be banned,
i think this was a very good descision by Oveur,
you can keep doing what you do, but you still have to pay the consequences
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.01.07 06:42:00 -
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Lastkahnmorder
Unless you use your main character to claim responsibility for your deeds, you are a griefer. Also, even if you do let folks know who your main is, it only counts if your main is not in a noob corp and/or is regularly in 0.4 or lower security space where he can be attacked and pod killed.
If one person is using a suicide alt, and another is using their main character, it is NOT pvp, it is griefing UNLESS the main character for the suicide alt is known.
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:03:00 -
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i'm speaking for myself (not HDY, mind you) when i say that this whole thing is laughable. roids grow back.
people clearing belts aren't being "greedy". they're being productive. why would any miner travel around three systems to mine the same amount of ore he could get from one? clearing out belts encourages movement amongst miners, expansion, spreading out.
this is quite an elaborate attempted justification for your actions, but it still holds water in much the same way burlap sacks don't.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:37:00 -
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A thread about beltway strippers? Strippers are helping to ease a threat to inhabited systems. The profession of stripping should not earn condemning stares, though that doesn't mean you fail to examine the subject. The main concerns about the profession of stripping concerns activities that involve getting bounced. You can avoid being bounced by not breaking local customs when it comes to stripping. Being bigger than the bouncer might seem to help, but even if physics doesn't seem to carry through, some sort of laws will still kick in.
Stripping is really a gateway profession for most as it is a high stress way of getting by in the world. Some merely flirt with the profession, though many will carry it on this activity for most of their viable career in this universe and some will even try to go on past this point. In general though, most people involved find this to be a regrettable experience. One fun, though questionably admirable policy is to move away from stripping by employing others to do it in your stead and stretch out additional profit from the aggregate of their proceeds. This isn't necessarilly allowed in all regions, but such policies are difficult to enforce at best.
Some reserved citizens will always frown on the activity for one obscure reason or another and most will look aghast at the idea of particating in it themselves. The fact that it is difficult to tell which sentiment precedes the other is yet another reason practitioners and enthusiastic supporters tend do disregard the opinions of those who wrinkle their nose at the subject. However, the custom remains in most areas that those who desire not to be exposed to the activities of strippers can avoid places where it is conducted with minimal fuss.
Other avenues of criticism come from health experts. Is immoderation in the activity of stripping dangerous to the participant? Is the sedentary activity of merely viewing stripping all day bad for cardiac health after a time? Does it have an asocial psychological effect on the way participants look at and deal with one another on a daily basis? Does it make dealings more materialist and less convivial? The health experts have opinion on this but are not anywhere near a concensus though public discussion on this is ongoing. Regardless, it seems that one of the earliest professions for getting by in the universe is here to stay for a very long time.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 07/01/2005 08:50:34
"I believe so deeply about my cause that I'm going to use a disposable alt to do my job and stay in an NPC corp."
This thread hasn't convinced anyone of anything they weren't already thinking.
Edit: Disposable alts just annoy me when used like this.
If you're just ganking those you suspect are macro-mining then I'm glad you're doing it but I hate to think some innocent miners might be getting ganked.
The experience of being ganked in the highest rated security system is very very unlikely to move these innocent miners to an even lower security rated system, is it?
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Calsak
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:48:00 -
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It seems that two new barge 'griefing' tactics are coming into play.
Industrial ships hovering around jet-cans trying to take the ore before the miner's haulers do. Miners leave the belt in favor of another.
Ships 'bumping' and ramming barges at high speed to knock them out of range of the mining turrets (this was happening a lot on Rens last night).
This whole thing seems to be escalating into a whole new griefing war on mining barges in general.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Calsak
It seems that two new barge 'griefing' tactics are coming into play.
Industrial ships hovering around jet-cans trying to take the ore before the miner's haulers do. Miners leave the belt in favor of another.
Ships 'bumping' and ramming barges at high speed to knock them out of range of the mining turrets (this was happening a lot on Rens last night).
This whole thing seems to be escalating into a whole new griefing war on mining barges in general.
Easy way to avoid being bumped - place yourself right up against a roid or get a corp. mate to sit there and webify you.
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Erai
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Erai on 07/01/2005 09:12:34
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Easy way to avoid being bumped - place yourself right up against a roid or get a corp. mate to sit there and webify you.
Brilliant idea! Finally us cuddly carebears have a use for webbies
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 07/01/2005 11:24:02
Originally by: Topic Starter
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
I just did a quick count on the number of systems you could mine in.
1159 systems have 0.5 or higher security ratings.
ELEVENHUNDREDFIFTYNINE!
Lets say on average each system has 6 asteroid belts (very low number I would think) and you now have
6954 asteroid belts to choose from.
Any rationale you just made is ludicrous.
EDIT: Added quote so people could see who I was replying to....
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:14:00 -
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I've yet to see any number of barges actually remove 1, yes that's ONE ice roid from a belt.... Strip mining Ice is impossible....
So does that mean you aren't going to randomly pick on barges with no defense to kill in ice fields?
I highly doubt it somehow.
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Lord Elric
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:24:00 -
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These people and I use the term loosley are not helping noobs by stopping the so called greedy stripminers there hindering them because new mining improvments, by clearing a belt better ore could spawn there thus noobes could make more ISK
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Ore Respawn Enhancements
When an asteroid respawns it has a small chance of being of a different type than the location would normally yield but would spawn as if the security level of the system was lower. This gives a certain variety to the distribution and allows for explore to find better ores. Example:
Probability of going lower than its default level:
25% of going 1 level down
12% of going 2 level down
6% of going 3 level down
3% of going 4 level down
1.5% of going 5 level down
0.7% of going 6 level down
0.3% of going 7 level down
0.15% of going 8 level down
0.07% of going 9 level down
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Grainsalt
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Braaage
I've yet to see any number of barges actually remove 1, yes that's ONE ice roid from a belt.... Strip mining Ice is impossible....
So does that mean you aren't going to randomly pick on barges with no defense to kill in ice fields?
I highly doubt it somehow.
Yup, Been griefed myself by people using these tactics.. got around it though, and the guy just got peaved and wandered off without any ore.. but there is no point in this at all.. I have 1 mining barge and a mate in a hauler and I am mining Ice..
The roid has 140,000 units in it and I take 1 every 7.5 mins  ..
Am I going to be targeted? Hell yes.. Why? Becuase they ARE griefers if they still attack in Ice Belts.. Plain and simple.
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Erai
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:50:00 -
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Personally, I do not have the time to remain online for long stretches, so the best opportunities for me to see some kind of fleet action are in big mining operations... Hauling in ten or twenty indyloads of ore gives me my very own little sense of accomplishment, and starting on one belt and managing to chew it up completely with a group of miners over the course of an evening are my mates' and my own little victories over, well, the ebil Veldspar or something
That said, stripmining with barge/mining BS-armies in 0.9 and 1.0 is kinda bad form imo. But in belts between 0.5 and 0.8? I don't see the harm, honestly- as Riddari said, plenty of those around!
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