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Lastkahnmorder
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Posted - 2005.01.07 02:36:00 -
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Special Thanks to the Moderators and Devs for their swift and infomative responses to the many questions asked by the community.
Firstly I want to take the time to firstly say that there are griefers out there that are using the Barge Killing Guild Name to cause grief to other players. i.e. Podding Ore theft etc. We do not and will not Loot, grief or abuse other players.
To name a few, Bokkler, Lord Vander and Blessed Angel
Our motives and methods are set out very plainly for all to see on the website and in our charter.
Yes I use and Alt, yes I use my alt to blow things up. NO i will not be deleting him anytime this year. Why because he was created to do the things my main will not.
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
I'm certain i will receive various mails and junk under this post flaming it but i will not bother posting anything further. The Guild was set up to stop the mindless stripping of minerals in empire space.
The day after I personally blew a barge i was contacted by the owner of that barge. Agreeing with our charter and asking to join our guild. That to me means i have made people think. I'm not out to pod people. i'm not out to get glory. I just want my minerals like the rest of you.
If your greedy and take more than what is yours you will fall foul eventually.
I ask the moderators to lock this thread as soon as possible to stop the mindless posting of flaming trolling and general abuse. I'm here to make a statement and not to cause uproar.
Those of you that don't agree with my ideals. Fair enough. I don't agree with alliance and corp mentallity. I certainly don't agree with Pirates. However you don't see me ranting for hours on end.
My last word has been said and I'd like to thank the Mods, the Devs and all of CCP for a great game that some idiot always finds a way to exploit. I know your not gods all I ask is you look at this constructively and not listen to the rantings of an ill informed child.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.07 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/01/2005 02:45:20
So how does blowing up random newbies in mining barges prevent corps from strip mining high sec space? 
Also i find not deleting hard to believe, after you reach -3 you cant enter 1.0, then what?
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.07 02:45:00 -
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I have a counter offer for you then. Since you seem to be trying to roleplay this "behavior" now how about this.
The public opinion of Eve is powerful. How about posting the names of these strip mining corps when you see them? How about decalring war on them directly? I know your not talking about the 4-5 man corp who mines a few days a month. Your talking about these big alliance corps with 200 members who drag 10 BS and 11 barges into 1.0 space and mine it out. I personally agree with you to a point when they mine in 1.0 newbie systems. Other systems I give them more leeway.
The Eve community stood up to the barge griefers and the Devs are going to take action and have laid down the law. How about trying to get that same public opinion on your side then? Publically humiliate these uber-strip mining corps. Declare war on them directly pay the 1m a week and blast them all you want.
Until you do that your still exploiting a flaw in the system. That flaw is because RP or not your still "griefing". How? Because your using an alt AND you know they wont or cant fire on your first. In other words your first "barrage" of missiles will do in the barge. There is no retaliation and no way of protecting themselves. If you were to join a corporation and do this I'd say "have fun" to you. Then the miners would be able to defend themselves against you. But until you do that nothing changes.
I noticed Ryctor has created a corp and from the description appears to continue killing barges. But he is #1) using his main character not a lame alt and #2) creating a corp that people can declare on so they can defend themselves.
If you intend to continue using this alt as you say there is NO REASON for you not to create a corporation. Doing that gives you the credibility and the risk for your actions.
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whathappened
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:06:00 -
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I am sorry, but what gives you the right to demand money from anybody wanting to mine in any space? and even worse to demand people dont mine a roid below a certain level.
did i miss the email sent out imforming me of the new subscrption fee? i pay my money each month to play this game, and no where does it say i have to pay for the right to mine. if i want to get in my barge and mine a belt clean. i have that right, and you and nobody else can tell me otherwise.
yes the fact i was extremely pee'd off when i first started playing and was doing the tutorial missions. but couldnt find a roid to mine in the system, made me never really mine anywhere near 1.0. and that was my personal preference out of consideration for newer players. however your whole approach to this IMHO is nothing but griefing, how many new players are gonna listen to you and your demands in empire space? probably none cos i owuld just lol at you too. so you blow them up, and make them annoyed because they just lost thier ship they spent a few weeks training to get into and saved for.
tell you what bud, lets see you and your griefing friends enforce this BS ona group of apocs with drones strip mining a belt. ih that right wont be able to do that so easy will you. the crunch of it is, your using CCP's good judgement in allowing people to redsign thier avatars to create disposable alts, for the sole purpose of destroying or blackmailing people. and whats the worst part you are worse than a pirate, because you dont have the brass balls to be honest about. cos when your sec rating drops too far, what will you do? delete and create another alt. at least a real pirate keeps thier avatar.
so to sum it up your basically a blackmailing, noob griefing, exploiter, who doesnt even have the brass to be a real pirate. you should be ashamed of yourself, for even considering this to be a acceptable act. |
Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:41:00 -
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Well, if you are so darn rightious then use your main or create a Corp with your alt gankers so people can defend themselves.
But since the socalled rightiousness you claim to hold so high only works in your benefit I won't see that happen.
Atleast some people have the balls to either use their main to do stuff like this or create a corp to put their gankers in so the chances are even again.
Yet you hide in a n00bcorp and thus create something lame.
The fact you can attack first and don't have to worry since it's only an alt which, when needed< can be deleted.
You can have 2 alts on your account so instead of comming forward and just tell it as it is, stately the fact when this alt get's a too low secrating to do this gankingstuff you will delete him anyways.
This however won't have to be in the near future since you will have a second alt doing the same lame stuff.
Well mister high and mighty. Get of your high horse of retribution.
Who gave you the godgiven right to put out rules like your stating.
By doing this you are far worse then those 0.0 hogging pirates in alliance space. Atleast they have the chance they get hit first in an attack, your alt is safe till he fired his first barrage.
Now you will claim that the other ship ( the barge) could launch it drones at you first, but this will still result in the same, he looses his barge and you can have a laugh.
Your whole attitude is sick to the bone and I hope that one day there will be a possibility to track down mains of alts because nothing would give me more pleasure then comming over and kicking you all over EVE Universe.
By the way, I DO post with my main character and I use my Alt for my corporations and allso for new players benefits instead of walking the thin line of rules and dodging the blows back.
Be a man and mail me your main. I will be a man and won't tell anyone, just come track you down and settle this like men with a spine.
(Not likely to happen since using an alt allready is proove enough your probably the lamest person in this game together with your rank of looser buddies hidding behind their alts.
I hope I get kicked from the forums for verbal abuse of a lamer.
But I hope even more to get hold of your sorry ass.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:43:00 -
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Hey look, I'm not an alt.
Second. I will mine in a barge in empire for my needed ores whenever I need it, and you and your 'Guild' are full of you know what.
Third, quote from Oveur "Under no circumstances is using ho's for killing anything else than griefing and abuse of trial and/or character system by recycling. Under all circumstances, all accounts traced to this account will be banned, usually without warning."
You can not continue this tactic in empire without recycling alts. Therefore, you're guilty, and will be petitioned.
Last. You're a griefer, plain and simple. That's all you are, and not only that, but a pathetic griefer who goes after defenseless targets that can't shoot you, or be defended. You don't even specifically target belt rapers, you just randomly assume that someone in a barge in empire is violating your made up little rulebook. "We will destroy ANY barge that is found in empire space." That's directly from your website.
Stop trying to justify your pathetic actions by getting on a soapbox, its as pathetic as posting with your alts is.
I encourage anyone attacked by these griefers to petition.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 03:55:00 -
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You can not continue this tactic in empire without recycling alts.
I can and am, using my main just means I have to NPC every now and then to drop my sec. See ya in space Cowboy. 
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lodhi on 07/01/2005 04:03:52
Originally by: Lastkahnmorder
Special Thanks to the Moderators and Devs for their swift and infomative responses to the many questions asked by the community.
Firstly I want to take the time to firstly say that there are griefers out there that are using the Barge Killing Guild Name to cause grief to other players. i.e. Podding Ore theft etc. We do not and will not Loot, grief or abuse other players.
To name a few, Bokkler, Lord Vander and Blessed Angel
Our motives and methods are set out very plainly for all to see on the website and in our charter.
Yes I use and Alt, yes I use my alt to blow things up. NO i will not be deleting him anytime this year. Why because he was created to do the things my main will not.
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
I'm certain i will receive various mails and junk under this post flaming it but i will not bother posting anything further. The Guild was set up to stop the mindless stripping of minerals in empire space.
The day after I personally blew a barge i was contacted by the owner of that barge. Agreeing with our charter and asking to join our guild. That to me means i have made people think. I'm not out to pod people. i'm not out to get glory. I just want my minerals like the rest of you.
If your greedy and take more than what is yours you will fall foul eventually.
I ask the moderators to lock this thread as soon as possible to stop the mindless posting of flaming trolling and general abuse. I'm here to make a statement and not to cause uproar.
Those of you that don't agree with my ideals. Fair enough. I don't agree with alliance and corp mentallity. I certainly don't agree with Pirates. However you don't see me ranting for hours on end.
My last word has been said and I'd like to thank the Mods, the Devs and all of CCP for a great game that some idiot always finds a way to exploit. I know your not gods all I ask is you look at this constructively and not listen to the rantings of an ill informed child.
hahah, man that's funny 
Mah alt cleared 3 roids belt's last night, care to come after him?
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lastkahnmorder
I ask the moderators to lock this thread as soon as possible to stop the mindless posting of flaming trolling and general abuse. I'm here to make a statement and not to cause uproar.
Yes, with that kind of post you will not create an uproar. Anyway, the forum is a two way street, we will not lock this thread as long as people behave.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.01.07 04:46:00 -
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There is 0.0 where there are no powers actively hunting neutrals. Or join an alliance. Or carve your OWN niche out.
If you can't hack it, harrasing players in high sec space is a bad alternative.
Ice mining in particular in higher sec space is worthwhile (and not "strip mining") because of ice ore distribution - I think that's silly on CCP's part, but eh. That's how it is.
I do PvP. You grief. Hope people see the distinction QUITE clearly in future.
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Tel'Karas
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:01:00 -
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Looks like an attempt at extortion to me...
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:02:00 -
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I wonder that if I create and Alt to gank those alt's, am I griefing then?
Well, maybe time to find out, since I have 2 accounts there is no real harm for my main.
Only difference is that my main is known.
Since mister Rightious thinks the use of an alt to enforce his will on the public is well withing the game mechanics then creating an alt to track his alt down and gank them is within the mechanics aswell.
Hereby I am going to create an alt who will create a Corp with the sole intention to gank the gankers.
Anyone who wants to join in is more then welcome. I can use my main for the location agents which is allso well within the game mechanics.
I will even train my alt on my second account up so the Corp of alts can grow a bit to get a good wing of Bargekiller gankers.
I will even finance as much of the fleet as I can so that the cost of this project will be covered for as much as I can.
So. Looking for alts to create a Corp to take out these bargekilling alts.
I will train my alt's corporation management skills up and post when the corp is founded and where the HQ is. I hope to see a lot of alts.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:04:00 -
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Anyone who has enough skills to use mining barge is by no means a newbie. Everything is fair and square here
can't actively defend yourself in high sec? get some to shield/armor repair you. Or think of some other solution, don't take your losses personaly
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
Anyone who has enough skills to use mining barge is by no means a newbie. Everything is fair and square here
can't actively defend yourself in high sec? get some to shield/armor repair you. Or think of some other solution, don't take your losses personaly
You sir are an *snip* and I think that about sums up the thoughts of 99% of the people who will read what you just wrote.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 07/01/2005 05:21:30
This post should be locked before Killer, Damien and the rest of their Raging Fluffy bunbun friends crawl out from under the rocks to fling flaming poo at people.
Make Flame love not Flame war 
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:21:00 -
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So what do you hope to accomplish? Put the sec-space miners back in Apocs?
Why don't you kill macro miners, that would acctually help the game.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Edited by: Ryctor on 07/01/2005 05:21:30
This post should be locked before Killer, Damien and the rest of their Raging Fluffy bunbun friends crawl out from under the rocks to fling flaming poo at people.
Make Flame love not Flame war
Please leave the moderating to us, the moderators. If you have any questions you are welcome to email [email protected]. 
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.01.07 05:28:00 -
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as i understand from what Oveur said its fine and you can continue unless you delete your alts once they got bad sec rating.
if you go and kill NPC to raise their sec rating again its ok but if you just delete them and create new ones instead your "finito", and all you accounts will be banned,
i think this was a very good descision by Oveur,
you can keep doing what you do, but you still have to pay the consequences
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.01.07 06:42:00 -
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Lastkahnmorder
Unless you use your main character to claim responsibility for your deeds, you are a griefer. Also, even if you do let folks know who your main is, it only counts if your main is not in a noob corp and/or is regularly in 0.4 or lower security space where he can be attacked and pod killed.
If one person is using a suicide alt, and another is using their main character, it is NOT pvp, it is griefing UNLESS the main character for the suicide alt is known.
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:03:00 -
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i'm speaking for myself (not HDY, mind you) when i say that this whole thing is laughable. roids grow back.
people clearing belts aren't being "greedy". they're being productive. why would any miner travel around three systems to mine the same amount of ore he could get from one? clearing out belts encourages movement amongst miners, expansion, spreading out.
this is quite an elaborate attempted justification for your actions, but it still holds water in much the same way burlap sacks don't.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:37:00 -
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A thread about beltway strippers? Strippers are helping to ease a threat to inhabited systems. The profession of stripping should not earn condemning stares, though that doesn't mean you fail to examine the subject. The main concerns about the profession of stripping concerns activities that involve getting bounced. You can avoid being bounced by not breaking local customs when it comes to stripping. Being bigger than the bouncer might seem to help, but even if physics doesn't seem to carry through, some sort of laws will still kick in.
Stripping is really a gateway profession for most as it is a high stress way of getting by in the world. Some merely flirt with the profession, though many will carry it on this activity for most of their viable career in this universe and some will even try to go on past this point. In general though, most people involved find this to be a regrettable experience. One fun, though questionably admirable policy is to move away from stripping by employing others to do it in your stead and stretch out additional profit from the aggregate of their proceeds. This isn't necessarilly allowed in all regions, but such policies are difficult to enforce at best.
Some reserved citizens will always frown on the activity for one obscure reason or another and most will look aghast at the idea of particating in it themselves. The fact that it is difficult to tell which sentiment precedes the other is yet another reason practitioners and enthusiastic supporters tend do disregard the opinions of those who wrinkle their nose at the subject. However, the custom remains in most areas that those who desire not to be exposed to the activities of strippers can avoid places where it is conducted with minimal fuss.
Other avenues of criticism come from health experts. Is immoderation in the activity of stripping dangerous to the participant? Is the sedentary activity of merely viewing stripping all day bad for cardiac health after a time? Does it have an asocial psychological effect on the way participants look at and deal with one another on a daily basis? Does it make dealings more materialist and less convivial? The health experts have opinion on this but are not anywhere near a concensus though public discussion on this is ongoing. Regardless, it seems that one of the earliest professions for getting by in the universe is here to stay for a very long time.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 07/01/2005 08:50:34
"I believe so deeply about my cause that I'm going to use a disposable alt to do my job and stay in an NPC corp."
This thread hasn't convinced anyone of anything they weren't already thinking.
Edit: Disposable alts just annoy me when used like this.
If you're just ganking those you suspect are macro-mining then I'm glad you're doing it but I hate to think some innocent miners might be getting ganked.
The experience of being ganked in the highest rated security system is very very unlikely to move these innocent miners to an even lower security rated system, is it?
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Calsak
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:48:00 -
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It seems that two new barge 'griefing' tactics are coming into play.
Industrial ships hovering around jet-cans trying to take the ore before the miner's haulers do. Miners leave the belt in favor of another.
Ships 'bumping' and ramming barges at high speed to knock them out of range of the mining turrets (this was happening a lot on Rens last night).
This whole thing seems to be escalating into a whole new griefing war on mining barges in general.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.01.07 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Calsak
It seems that two new barge 'griefing' tactics are coming into play.
Industrial ships hovering around jet-cans trying to take the ore before the miner's haulers do. Miners leave the belt in favor of another.
Ships 'bumping' and ramming barges at high speed to knock them out of range of the mining turrets (this was happening a lot on Rens last night).
This whole thing seems to be escalating into a whole new griefing war on mining barges in general.
Easy way to avoid being bumped - place yourself right up against a roid or get a corp. mate to sit there and webify you.
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Erai
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Erai on 07/01/2005 09:12:34
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Easy way to avoid being bumped - place yourself right up against a roid or get a corp. mate to sit there and webify you.
Brilliant idea! Finally us cuddly carebears have a use for webbies
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 07/01/2005 11:24:02
Originally by: Topic Starter
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
I just did a quick count on the number of systems you could mine in.
1159 systems have 0.5 or higher security ratings.
ELEVENHUNDREDFIFTYNINE!
Lets say on average each system has 6 asteroid belts (very low number I would think) and you now have
6954 asteroid belts to choose from.
Any rationale you just made is ludicrous.
EDIT: Added quote so people could see who I was replying to....
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:14:00 -
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I've yet to see any number of barges actually remove 1, yes that's ONE ice roid from a belt.... Strip mining Ice is impossible....
So does that mean you aren't going to randomly pick on barges with no defense to kill in ice fields?
I highly doubt it somehow.
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Lord Elric
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:24:00 -
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These people and I use the term loosley are not helping noobs by stopping the so called greedy stripminers there hindering them because new mining improvments, by clearing a belt better ore could spawn there thus noobes could make more ISK
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Ore Respawn Enhancements
When an asteroid respawns it has a small chance of being of a different type than the location would normally yield but would spawn as if the security level of the system was lower. This gives a certain variety to the distribution and allows for explore to find better ores. Example:
Probability of going lower than its default level:
25% of going 1 level down
12% of going 2 level down
6% of going 3 level down
3% of going 4 level down
1.5% of going 5 level down
0.7% of going 6 level down
0.3% of going 7 level down
0.15% of going 8 level down
0.07% of going 9 level down
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Grainsalt
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Braaage
I've yet to see any number of barges actually remove 1, yes that's ONE ice roid from a belt.... Strip mining Ice is impossible....
So does that mean you aren't going to randomly pick on barges with no defense to kill in ice fields?
I highly doubt it somehow.
Yup, Been griefed myself by people using these tactics.. got around it though, and the guy just got peaved and wandered off without any ore.. but there is no point in this at all.. I have 1 mining barge and a mate in a hauler and I am mining Ice..
The roid has 140,000 units in it and I take 1 every 7.5 mins  ..
Am I going to be targeted? Hell yes.. Why? Becuase they ARE griefers if they still attack in Ice Belts.. Plain and simple.
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Erai
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:50:00 -
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Personally, I do not have the time to remain online for long stretches, so the best opportunities for me to see some kind of fleet action are in big mining operations... Hauling in ten or twenty indyloads of ore gives me my very own little sense of accomplishment, and starting on one belt and managing to chew it up completely with a group of miners over the course of an evening are my mates' and my own little victories over, well, the ebil Veldspar or something
That said, stripmining with barge/mining BS-armies in 0.9 and 1.0 is kinda bad form imo. But in belts between 0.5 and 0.8? I don't see the harm, honestly- as Riddari said, plenty of those around!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.01.07 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
I just did a quick count on the number of systems you could mine in.
1159 systems have 0.5 or higher security ratings.
ELEVENHUNDREDFIFTYNINE!
Lets say on average each system has 6 asteroid belts (very low number I would think) and you now have
6954 asteroid belts to choose from.
Any rationale you just made is ludicrous.
Nobody knows who you're replying too..........
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.07 10:29:00 -
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Asholism wrapped in patheitc excuse for roleplay, is still...
Asholism.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Riddari
I just did a quick count on the number of systems you could mine in.
1159 systems have 0.5 or higher security ratings.
ELEVENHUNDREDFIFTYNINE!
Lets say on average each system has 6 asteroid belts (very low number I would think) and you now have
6954 asteroid belts to choose from.
Any rationale you just made is ludicrous.
Nobody knows who you're replying too..........
Added clarification then... bah
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Vvari
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Posted - 2005.01.07 11:31:00 -
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You say you dont like pirating, but what ur doing is the same, or mabey even worse!!
Killing people, telling them what to do and what not to do, seems like ur an ordinary pirate that exploits and finds it funy to blow new peoples mining barges up what they probably worked so hard for.
ur worse then a pirate, you think its fun to kill people who cant defend them selfs.
No honour in that and defenitly never the aproval of any normal human. its a pvp game, not a grief game.
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Jeretomi
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Posted - 2005.01.07 12:08:00 -
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So have you had many people applying for mining permits ?
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.01.07 12:16:00 -
[36]
I am thoroughly amazed, seeing what kind of bs some people waste their time with.
That includes people who reply to this thread
Oh wait... I replied... d'oh
Mai's Idealog |
Lodhi
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Posted - 2005.01.07 12:45:00 -
[37]
I still find this topic funny...
And im still w8 for my alt to get a visit, do i need to tell were he's mining and what his name is also?
Thought u guy's were allmighty and knew bout every1 not having
one of ure fluffy carebear passes...
O well...
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.01.07 12:59:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Lord Elric
These people and I use the term loosley are not helping noobs by stopping the so called greedy stripminers there hindering them because new mining improvments, by clearing a belt better ore could spawn there thus noobes could make more ISK
Taken from exodus section of this website
Ore Respawn Enhancements
When an asteroid respawns it has a small chance of being of a different type than the location would normally yield but would spawn as if the security level of the system was lower. This gives a certain variety to the distribution and allows for explore to find better ores. Example:
Probability of going lower than its default level:
25% of going 1 level down
12% of going 2 level down
6% of going 3 level down
3% of going 4 level down
1.5% of going 5 level down
0.7% of going 6 level down
0.3% of going 7 level down
0.15% of going 8 level down
0.07% of going 9 level down
While this is correct, I've not yet found any evidence of it having been implemented yet. Also the final patch notes didn't mention it and no one mentioned it from SiSi testing, so I assume it's delayed until we're told otherwise.
I would like to see it soon though. 
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.01.07 13:28:00 -
[39]
IMHO wacking barges in empire is acceptable ONLY if your in a corp that is at war with the corp that owns them.. And if your in a propper war (two real corps trying to wack each other) it make alot of sense to criple your enemies ability to make war so they even become very desirable targets
Otherwise its just lame pointless gankage
Quote:
So what do you hope to accomplish? Put the sec-space miners back in Apocs?
Why don't you kill macro miners, that would acctually help the game.
Agreed.. something that would probably get the backing of the community ( but prob not CCP ) would be if you used your ganking tactics on macro miners.. 
You'd have to come up with well defined procedures to try and guarntee as much as possible someone was macro mining before blowing them up..
But im sure alot of people would be behind you then
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.07 13:31:00 -
[40]
I did suggest a long time ago making 1.0 so that only 1 high slot module could be active at the time and .9 so that 2
this would help this problem as a noob ship can only fit 1 basic miner anyway (I know I tried it) and once they get into a mining frigate they (useally) only have 2 high slots and after that they will be forced into a .8 in a cruiser
I know this Idear is not perfect as it would mean that corps at war could only use 1 gun at each other when fighting but it may be possible to only aply these rules to miners and strip miners (I dont know I am not a dev)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Padua
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Posted - 2005.01.07 13:37:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lodhi
I still find this topic funny...
And im still w8 for my alt to get a visit, do i need to tell were he's mining and what his name is also?
Thought u guy's were allmighty and knew bout every1 not having
one of ure fluffy carebear passes...
O well...
We WilL get j00 Splodhi, leave ma roids!!11 |
Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:08:00 -
[42]
As long as they're not using a player corp that people can declare war on to defend themselves they're still griefing imo. They know you cant fire on them first without Concord ganking them. So they're STILL griefing because its STILL a helpless target.
I could care less if they use their main now. They MUST be in a corp we can declare war on to defend ourselves.
Claiming this is some kind of RP and they're roid defenders is fine AS LONG AS they organize as such.
Ryctor has earned some respect back from me because he's now using his main AND he's created a corp I could declare war on to defend myself if I had problems with his actions.
This other guy though Lastkahnmorder is a complete griefer as he intends to stay in an NPC corp where he KNOWS your helpless against him. I could care less if he uses his main. The real issue is being able to defend yourself. If your not in a corp you can't be fired on like this.
LAME GRIEFING...... no different then before.
Archbishop
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PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
Princess Sela
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:08:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Lastkahnmorder
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
Ok a few things....
A) There are lots of places to mine where a roid doesn't pop in 30 sec of mining, try looking for good spots, your just lazy thats all.
B)Your ship killing alt isn't going to last long in good sec space before your booted to anything but the lower ends of space, what then? try searching for a barge to blow up then? Then your just a pirate you seem to hate so much....
C)"Strip Miners" aren't called that for no reason what-so-ever
GET A FREAKING LIFE AND BE A PIRATE AND ADMIT IT, SINCE YOU ARE ONE, AND A SAD SAD ONE AT THAT.
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Brobro
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:13:00 -
[44]
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
I am thoroughly amazed, seeing what kind of bs some people waste their time with.
That includes people who reply to this thread
Oh wait... I replied... d'oh
ROFL
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Necronomicon
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:14:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Necronomicon on 07/01/2005 14:15:12
And so say all of us!
Edit : doh, someone replied after Archbishop, this was meant as a reply to him.
Starsi dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them. |
flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:23:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Lastkahnmorder
Special Thanks to the Moderators and Devs for their swift and infomative responses to the many questions asked by the community.
Firstly I want to take the time to firstly say that there are griefers out there that are using the Barge Killing Guild Name to cause grief to other players. i.e. Podding Ore theft etc. We do not and will not Loot, grief or abuse other players.
To name a few, Bokkler, Lord Vander and Blessed Angel
Our motives and methods are set out very plainly for all to see on the website and in our charter.
Yes I use and Alt, yes I use my alt to blow things up. NO i will not be deleting him anytime this year. Why because he was created to do the things my main will not.
Fed up with going to belt to see 'THIS BELT WAS RAPED BY XYZ CORP' or finding every last roid worth mining either popped or mined within an inch of its life. I know it can be done with a BS or a group of BS's but my point being is the barges were designed to be strip miners but inconsiderate morons are using them to be greedy.
So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
I'm certain i will receive various mails and junk under this post flaming it but i will not bother posting anything further. The Guild was set up to stop the mindless stripping of minerals in empire space.
The day after I personally blew a barge i was contacted by the owner of that barge. Agreeing with our charter and asking to join our guild. That to me means i have made people think. I'm not out to pod people. i'm not out to get glory. I just want my minerals like the rest of you.
If your greedy and take more than what is yours you will fall foul eventually.
I ask the moderators to lock this thread as soon as possible to stop the mindless posting of flaming trolling and general abuse. I'm here to make a statement and not to cause uproar.
Those of you that don't agree with my ideals. Fair enough. I don't agree with alliance and corp mentallity. I certainly don't agree with Pirates. However you don't see me ranting for hours on end.
My last word has been said and I'd like to thank the Mods, the Devs and all of CCP for a great game that some idiot always finds a way to exploit. I know your not gods all I ask is you look at this constructively and not listen to the rantings of an ill informed child.
If your greedy and take more than what is yours you will fall foul eventually.
link to the chart so i can tell if i'm taking more than what i deserve? i mean, you didn't think that you could decide what is right for others... did you? because, that would just be plain ignorant.
and, even though i really don't want to "defend" you, i gotta say that no one in a barge is a n00b. they have the skills to use it, and they have the money, or sponsorship, to afford an equipped barge. either way, self-made or supported by a corp, that's not a n00b in my book.
you should just be a little less pompous and try not to think for others. thinking for yourself is hard enough. don't stress yourself...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Talons
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:59:00 -
[47]
You have got to be kidding me? Right?
I mean come on! You are saying you are 'protecting' your way of life, when all you have to do is move to another belt or system? Give me a break, okay? All you are doing is trying make 'free' ISK without working for it.
In addition, you make a statement/comment like this and then ask CCP to 'lock the thread'. Why? So, you can look like you're important. Well, you ain't.
This is one of most ludicrous things I have ever heard. Why? BECAUSE THE ASTEROIDS RESPAWN! That's why!
And stripping the belts is actually HELPFUL to the system now, so what is you friggin problem? Find another system and mine away happily. Return the next day after DT and voila, new Asteroids!
If you guys really had any guts to defend your fanatic position, you would form a real corporation. But, you know that you would not last long by doing that, so you hide behind NPC corporations and Alt characters.
What a bunch of losers?
Talons
Co-CEO
Celestial Horizon Corporation
EVE Universe |
Basileus
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:12:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Talons
You have got to be kidding me? Right?
I mean come on! You are saying you are 'protecting' your way of life, when all you have to do is move to another belt or system? Give me a break, okay? All you are doing is trying make 'free' ISK without working for it.
In addition, you make a statement/comment like this and then ask CCP to 'lock the thread'. Why? So, you can look like you're important. Well, you ain't.
This is one of most ludicrous things I have ever heard. Why? BECAUSE THE ASTEROIDS RESPAWN! That's why!
And stripping the belts is actually HELPFUL to the system now, so what is you friggin problem? Find another system and mine away happily. Return the next day after DT and voila, new Asteroids!
If you guys really had any guts to defend your fanatic position, you would form a real corporation. But, you know that you would not last long by doing that, so you hide behind NPC corporations and Alt characters.
What a bunch of losers?
Talons
Couldn't agree more. Well said.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:18:00 -
[49]
It's amusing to read this topic.
There are people who say it's too easy to grief a corp by declaring war on them.
Now the Barge Killers hand the solution to those people on a silver platter, by showing them that NPC corps can't be war-decced on.
And now people say they're griefing BECAUSE they can't be declared war on.
Funny.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:34:00 -
[50]
I for one would like them to continue this.
It won't be long before the current NPC corps is changed, and hopefully players in NPC corps will not be allowed to attack other players only in self-defence, or enter 0.0 space.
Keep up the good work guys, something will get changed if you do
p.s. Lame nubs using alts.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:38:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Sybylle on 07/01/2005 15:39:59
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Calsak
It seems that two new barge 'griefing' tactics are coming into play.
Industrial ships hovering around jet-cans trying to take the ore before the miner's haulers do. Miners leave the belt in favor of another.
Ships 'bumping' and ramming barges at high speed to knock them out of range of the mining turrets (this was happening a lot on Rens last night).
This whole thing seems to be escalating into a whole new griefing war on mining barges in general.
Easy way to avoid being bumped - place yourself right up against a roid or get a corp. mate to sit there and webify you.
OR --> Fit a small armor repairer on your barge, then have a friend using shield/armor transfer on you...And let Concord do the job ^^
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <)=Oveur (proof)
"Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
Talons
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:47:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Discorporation
It's amusing to read this topic.
There are people who say it's too easy to grief a corp by declaring war on them.
Now the Barge Killers hand the solution to those people on a silver platter, by showing them that NPC corps can't be war-decced on.
And now people say they're griefing BECAUSE they can't be declared war on.
Funny.
I think you missed my point, dude!
Re-read it again. I couldn't care less about declaring war on them. My point is: Their position is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY Illogical.
Talons
Co-CEO
Celestial Horizon Corporation
EVE Universe |
flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 15:55:00 -
[53]
it's called: last chance to do this with a disposable ship before ship HP increase.
thanks to the use of hallucinagenic drugs, i see through you...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.01.07 16:03:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Talons
I think you missed my point, dude!
Re-read it again. I couldn't care less about declaring war on them. My point is: Their position is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY Illogical.
Talons
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2005.01.07 16:35:00 -
[55]
Edited by: JP Beauregard on 07/01/2005 16:35:18
What is really hilarious about this entire fad is that the very muppets shooting barges now will be responible for their widespread acceptance and use.
With the now inevitable hp increase, barges will be close to invulnerable to futz**** griefing in high-security space and should work much better in low-security space where belts will get stripmined next.
Shooting the carebear miners stealing YOUR Veldspar? Naaaah. Shooting yourself in both feet, your ass and the empty space between your ears. Yeah.
Life must be beautiful when you're dumb. |
FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.01.07 16:40:00 -
[56]
So what's the cost to be a 'licensed' miner in 0.5+?
But I agree with most of the people here, I am all for you edclaring war on strip miners, but at least create a corp so people can defend themselves.
ex P-TMC
If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.01.07 16:50:00 -
[57]
Quote:
So how does blowing up random newbies in mining barges prevent corps from strip mining high sec space?
There are no newbies in mining barges. It takes two skills at lvl4 and one at lvl5. Also a true newbie probably has no idea what a mining barge even is.
That means that 90% of all mining barges are mostly alts of secondary acounts of AFK-miners, or even 5th of 7th account for the Macro-mining scum.
9% are true miners that are absolute loner no-friends carebears that don't understand that they should go to lower sec space with some other miners, hire some haulers and defenders if necessary and mine there, while making probably a lot more money.
And then is there the other 1% who should stop whining and remember that there is then still the APOC which is totally safe but then makes only a slight pernetage less. All those greedy roidsuckers should understand it's all a matter of profit vs. chance to be blown up.
Quote:
So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
You're protecting your piece of the pie, in other words: your ability to stripmine.
All people here that are calling them griefers are hypocrits. They are in a corp. As such they can be warred upon (but then most of your roidsucking alts are in newbiecorps, nice and protected)
Anyone can put up some links about those responses of the devs and such? I can understand you shouldn't dispose of your alt when it reaches -2.0. Sadly the high sec zones are the places to be.
Personally i think this whole barge-killing is fun and a good iniative as long as the killers can be warred upon and don't hide in newbiecorps.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 16:52:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Tobiaz
Quote:
So how does blowing up random newbies in mining barges prevent corps from strip mining high sec space?
There are no newbies in mining barges. It takes two skills at lvl4 and one at lvl5. Also a true newbie probably has no idea what a mining barge even is.
That means that 90% of all mining barges are mostly alts of secondary acounts of AFK-miners, or even 5th of 7th account for the Macro-mining scum.
9% are true miners that are absolute loner no-friends carebears that don't understand that they should go to lower sec space with some other miners, hire some haulers and defenders if necessary and mine there, while making probably a lot more money.
And then is there the other 1% who should stop whining and remember that there is then still the APOC which is totally safe but then makes only a slight pernetage less. All those greedy roidsuckers should understand it's all a matter of profit vs. chance to be blown up.
Quote:
So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income.
You're protecting your piece of the pie, in other words: your ability to stripmine.
All people here that are calling them griefers are hypocrits. They are in a corp. As such they can be warred upon (but then most of your roidsucking alts are in newbiecorps, nice and protected)
Anyone can put up some links about those responses of the devs and such? I can understand you shouldn't dispose of your alt when it reaches -2.0. Sadly the high sec zones are the places to be.
Personally i think this whole barge-killing is fun and a good iniative as long as the killers can be warred upon and don't hide in newbiecorps.
Tobiaz for teh win!
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:03:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Discorporation
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
Of course its always good having fun at the expense of others..... |
Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:07:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Stront3h
Originally by: Discorporation
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
Of course its always good having fun at the expense of others.....
Well I don't know if it's 'good' fun but it sure is more fun.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:10:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Stront3h
Originally by: Discorporation
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
Of course its always good having fun at the expense of others.....
Ofc, 's what pvp is all about
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:12:00 -
[62]
Edited by: flummox on 07/01/2005 18:43:07
well, i thought it was only the medium barges being attacked because of the lower hitpoints vs. CONCORD action. well, the Apoc does in fact mine better than a medium barge with regualr Stip Miner II's. i think even an Geddon would mine better than a medium barge. let's find out...
again, all values are rounded after calcs. some ore types might give varying numbers due to volume of ore.
'Geddon w/7 Miner II's; full skillset:
(60*1.25*1.25)*7
1 min cycle = 651
3 min cycle = 1953
Medium Barge w/2 Strip Miner II's:
(540*1.25*1.25*1.15)*2
1 min cycle = 646
3 min cycle = 1940
so, even the 'Geddon is better than a med barge. and, not too much more of a cost, considering in a barge you'll blow up to that kestrel. 'Geddons and Apocs will just point and laugh. well, the 'Geddon would point. the Apoc doesn't need to point. it's just that cool...
check out this thread, buried alive for a full report on the Barge vs. BS...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:25:00 -
[63]
Originally by: flummox
so, even the 'Geddon is better than an apoc. and, not too much more of a cost, considering in a barge you'll blow up to that kestrel. 'Geddons and Apocs will just point and laugh. well, the 'Geddon would point. the Apoc doesn't need to point. it's just that cool...
??????
You probably mean "even the 'Geddon is better then a Retriever"
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UnrulyEvil
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:05:00 -
[64]
Originally by: whathappened
I am sorry, but what gives you the right to demand money from anybody wanting to mine in any space? and even worse to demand people dont mine a roid below a certain level.
did i miss the email sent out imforming me of the new subscrption fee? i pay my money each month to play this game, and no where does it say i have to pay for the right to mine. if i want to get in my barge and mine a belt clean. i have that right, and you and nobody else can tell me otherwise.
yes the fact i was extremely pee'd off when i first started playing and was doing the tutorial missions. but couldnt find a roid to mine in the system, made me never really mine anywhere near 1.0. and that was my personal preference out of consideration for newer players. however your whole approach to this IMHO is nothing but griefing, how many new players are gonna listen to you and your demands in empire space? probably none cos i owuld just lol at you too. so you blow them up, and make them annoyed because they just lost thier ship they spent a few weeks training to get into and saved for.
tell you what bud, lets see you and your griefing friends enforce this BS ona group of apocs with drones strip mining a belt. ih that right wont be able to do that so easy will you. the crunch of it is, your using CCP's good judgement in allowing people to redsign thier avatars to create disposable alts, for the sole purpose of destroying or blackmailing people. and whats the worst part you are worse than a pirate, because you dont have the brass balls to be honest about. cos when your sec rating drops too far, what will you do? delete and create another alt. at least a real pirate keeps thier avatar.
so to sum it up your basically a blackmailing, noob griefing, exploiter, who doesnt even have the brass to be a real pirate. you should be ashamed of yourself, for even considering this to be a acceptable act.
I strongly agree with the this man.
Edited for ranting - Saucerhead
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Corb
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:23:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 18:50:16
if you guys would look in other threads you will see that these guys have been exposed as AUS corp alts.
which is funny cuz they mine in Jita with Bships, and they are just mad cuz they are competing with Strip miners or "Mining Barges".
sad state of affairs. they sound like hypocrits to me.
*Edited for clarification on Strip Miners
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:25:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Corb
they sound like hypocrits to me.
Amen to that.....
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:43:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: flummox
so, even the 'Geddon is better than an apoc. and, not too much more of a cost, considering in a barge you'll blow up to that kestrel. 'Geddons and Apocs will just point and laugh. well, the 'Geddon would point. the Apoc doesn't need to point. it's just that cool...
??????
You probably mean "even the 'Geddon is better then a Retriever"
oops. yes, i do... 8)
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:16:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Corb
Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 18:50:16
if you guys would look in other threads you will see that these guys have been exposed as AUS corp alts.
which is funny cuz they mine in Jita with Bships, and they are just mad cuz they are competing with Strip miners or "Mining Barges".
sad state of affairs. they sound like hypocrits to me.
*Edited for clarification on Strip Miners
AUS corp....like AUS C corp headed by Evil Squirrel??
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:31:00 -
[69]
aaahhhh.
Look at the attention seeking alts...
And look! they succeded. Nice one!
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:40:00 -
[70]
Quote:
All people here that are calling them griefers are hypocrits. They are in a corp. As such they can be warred upon (but then most of your roidsucking alts are in newbiecorps, nice and protected).
Correction, they are not in a corp as you stated in parenthesis. They cannot be warred upon unless they go join Ryctor (which I doubt they would) and his merry corp of raiders. So whatever point you were trying to make there is lost in the ability to defend ones self.
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Corb
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:42:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 19:42:38
First of all ASSestorion, i'm not an Alt. Just because I'm not in a player corp doesn't warrant that title.
Ryctor if you would look in Crime and Punishment, you will see the threads that are now locked.
Draw your own conclussion.
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Cayote XIII
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:48:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Cayote XIII on 07/01/2005 19:48:50
I got just one word for this guy (the original post)....
PATHETIC
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Virago
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:56:00 -
[73]
Corb, I saw the post that you were referring to.
It was one of the Barge Killing Members asking a question in one of the forums, and it was signed by EvilSyko. The thread was soon edited and changed back to the name of the alt #1 Nervous or something.
EvilSyko is CEO of AUS Corporation, not AUS C.
Somone posted this is Crime and Punishment and the content of the post was removed, and locked. There was another Thread about these guys locked too.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:09:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Virago
Corb, I saw the post that you were referring to.
It was one of the Barge Killing Members asking a question in one of the forums, and it was signed by EvilSyko. The thread was soon edited and changed back to the name of the alt #1 Nervous or something.
EvilSyko is CEO of AUS Corporation, not AUS C.
Somone posted this is Crime and Punishment and the content of the post was removed, and locked. There was another Thread about these guys locked too.
Actually, he posted under his alt nick, but had forgot to remove his main's signature on his post. Hence revealed his main Evilsykoskitzo, it was edited, but someone took notice of and made some posts that got removed.
I did a summary in the thread you speak about on the Crime and Punishment forum, but that got removed as well. Seeing this should be on topic and in relevant thread, maybe my post wont get nered now
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 07/01/2005 20:27:18
I dont feels so good now knowing who they are. Cant say that I hold AUS C in the highest regards considering that 8 members of their little girlscout brigade tried (and failed horribly) to pop my BattleIndy for nicking a huge load of ore from them.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Asestorian on 07/01/2005 20:40:39
Originally by: Corb
Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 19:42:38
First of all ASSestorion, i'm not an Alt. Just because I'm not in a player corp doesn't warrant that title.
Ryctor if you would look in Crime and Punishment, you will see the threads that are now locked.
Draw your own conclussion.
Actually i was refering to the original poster...
It just all seems like attention seeking to me, and, its been very well done, my views on the barge killing thing are irrelevant anyway, although i don't really think its that bad, but its the circumstances in which it is done.
Oh, and that play on my characters name has been done so many times before i almost didn't notice it.
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Talons
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:28:00 -
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Well, come on. We're there now, STRIPMINING as we are apt to do. That is what happens when your corp is as large as CLS. We are very large and have a large appetite.
Funny, we have all these Barges out here STRIPPING the belts CLEAN in a 0.5 system and NOT ONE Guildie. Not one.
Must be BS then? Which it is.
But, like the other guy said: "We all pay our REAL money!"
and another guy said: "PATHETIC!"
Go **** in someone else's backyard!
I'm done now!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Talons
I think you missed my point, dude!
Re-read it again. I couldn't care less about declaring war on them. My point is: Their position is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY Illogical.
Talons
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
They could be exploiting though because it's all down to GM's opinion of each single circumstance.
At least, that's my interpretation of what Oveur and Arkanon have said.
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Nyrram
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nyrram on 07/01/2005 21:48:33
Has anyone actually tried mining in 0.0 with a barge? I have my doubts as to whether it would be as efficient as using bships, since when big things spawn, the first thing for everyone in a hauler to do is leave the belt.. which since barges are currently paper thin..
And if you buy from an NPC, you risk almost the same amount as on a low-tier battleship.. I mean.. you lose a low tier bship you are out what, 20 mil or so after insurance payout if you get a good price? That's the same amount as if you lose a fully-insured Covetor, and they are MUCH easier to lose.. plus, a properly fitted mining bship can stay in the belt while the cover ships take care of the bship spawn..
After the barge boost, things may be different..
edit: as for mining in .9/1.0... there are TONS of these sectors available that noone ever visits.. off the beaten path so to speak.. if I'm ever bored and want to mine solo in a high sec system, I have several to choose from that never see any other mining vessels... with veldspar rocks 70k+ and plagioclase/scordite over 40k occaisionally.. one in particular I've seen a grand total of 4 other people even fly through in the 6 months I've been using it..
So if you are upset that there are no rocks in Jita.. try another system, it's not like there is a shortage of 0.9 systems.
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Horsefly
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Horsefly on 07/01/2005 21:59:43
well good luck with all that. BTW you kill too many people and you too will be killed
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 22:29:00 -
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me? killed? oh c'mon! you can't be serious! no one, and i mean NO ONE, can take out the FlummIteron...
let's not lose our grip on reality, okay?
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.07 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
Exactly, I mean who cares if they strip the fun from other peoples games aye...
Afterall, it is all about you!
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Jonny Rocket
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Posted - 2005.01.08 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Araviel
as i understand from what Oveur said its fine and you can continue unless you delete your alts once they got bad sec rating.
if you go and kill NPC to raise their sec rating again its ok but if you just delete them and create new ones instead your "finito", and all you accounts will be banned,
i think this was a very good descision by Oveur,
you can keep doing what you do, but you still have to pay the consequences
So market scammers and especially corp thiefs are all going to be banned aswell then by that logic I hope?
They take no risk, and rely on recyling alts to get into new corps. If they acturally had a reputation that followed them, they would start to find business becoming very poor.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.08 01:17:00 -
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"First of all ASSestorion, i'm not an Alt. Just because I'm not in a player corp doesn't warrant that title."
Well it does warrant the title of "Griefer" if you plan to barge kill while in an npc corp. Why? Because your taking advantage of game mechanics (that being your invulnerable to attack by HONEST players due to Concord) to your advantage.
Players like the original poster may try to sound honorable by saying "we're not using alts" but in reality its still griefing UNLESS they join a corp. Look at the situation. If they remain in an NPC corp what happens? Nothing. Same result as before using alts. They attack without risk from other players. Eve is "PvP" yet they make it "PvH" (player versus helpless). Why helpless? Because the barge can't even defend itself with drones because if it fires first (say when it sees the bad guy coming) its ganked by Concord. By the time the kestrel fires its TOO LATE because he's dead.
Join or make a real corp called "Barge Killers Inc" or something. THEN you won't be griefing. Why? Because corps that are mining will be able to declare war on you and thus fire on you when they see you coming thus they are able to defend themselves.
Otherwise its just lame griefing... no different then before.
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Necronomicon
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Posted - 2005.01.08 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Necronomicon on 08/01/2005 02:09:53
Arse to them
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.01.08 23:29:00 -
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My corp stripped a couple belts in a 0.5 near Jita and inviting the "Killers" out to stop them. Needless to say, they didn't show.
This thread is turning into more and more of a waste of bandwidth.
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Germain
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Posted - 2005.01.09 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Germain on 09/01/2005 02:01:45
hello eve-ryone!
can the Author please tell me what ore i can mine and how much of it i can have
as i would not like to be shot at by his corp (er one sec he does not have one)
your post is well written but know where does it say how much we miners can mine. you do not put a link to the eve player guide to the section where it says i can only mine for X min per day or Xm3 of ore.
i have been looking for a few days now but i cannot find it.
PLEASE HELP ME.
i am mining in Aldrat, is the sec status of that system to high for you or will i be safe from the stuipity.
if you want to have ago you can.
oh and i have also moved to 0.2 spce to mine as well yes i will strip mine the system, but i do not think you will go to 0.2 space because you are a COWARD. a selfrightous, excuse for a roleplayer.
"so i am taking the greed back"
i though miners were miners er and i think it is in the list when you make a player, if you do not want ppl to Stripmine - with Stripminers (you know thoes things CCP put in the market called Stripminers) petition CCP i think they will see it your way and nerf that part of the game for you. NOT.
HERE's another bit i like:
"So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income."
Author you cannot mine in 0.4 space, why i am in 0.2 (see above) and i do well. what do you not have the skills to fight them? oh thats right you only fight ppl how cannot fight back!
or the last bit of the above. "MY sources of income" i cannot see your name on it. WHERE'S your name on that roid - i had a good look but no nothing there. or is it that you do not know how to use the jumpgate's so cannot find any more systems. - Use the map,its on the left hand side of you screen little blue button with stars on it.
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME, go do something else, like basket weaving.
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Haratu
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Posted - 2005.01.09 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/01/2005 02:45:20
So how does blowing up random newbies in mining barges prevent corps from strip mining high sec space?
Also i find not deleting hard to believe, after you reach -3 you cant enter 1.0, then what?
lol, this is a bit late to quote this but i thought it was funny... newbies don't fly mining barges... if they fly them they are obviously not new (check the skill requirements).
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Xivox
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Posted - 2005.01.12 03:13:00 -
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First of all, did it ever occur to you that if strip mining was such a bad idea the devs wouldn't create a ship designed to do just that?
Second, who put you in charge of moderating game mechanics? As far as I'm concerned CCP still owns the game and there are GM's employed for that purpose.
Furthermore:
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The Barge Killing Guild was set up to stop the increasing number Mining Barges and corporations killing empire space of its low and medium grade ores... Not content with barricading themselves in 0.0 with the rare ores that yield substantially more cash than any other. They come into empire space and******the belts so small corps and lone players are left to pick the morsels they choose to leave behind.
Did you read this before you made the post? Those corporations also need to manufacture goods - you name a good that requires only Mega and Zyd and we'll stop mining empire. Idiot.
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Well no more shall a barge take the food from the smaller and less experienced. No more shall we sit idly by and watch the world of EvE become a monopoly. No more shall a mining barge pop the last asteroid of Kernite, Omber or Pyroxeres.
I don't think BARGES are your problem bud. Before barges were implemented people did this with Battleships and we didn't see you waving your flag of rightousness then. You're just after making an easy kill to TRY and make something of your insignificant self.
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We will destroy ANY barge that is found in empire space. CONCORD and the DED have tried but failed many times to stop us. We are not thieves we will not loot your cans.
No, you're griefers. If a new guy trains straight away for a small mining barge and you blow him up - how is that helping the community?
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If you are a Corporation wishing to mine with barges in Empire space then you can apply for a permit to do so. Email Us for the charter and further details. The charter can also be found HERE.
So you not only grief but now DEMAND that people pay you to mine in Empire? Who wishes to make EVE into a monopoly now?
Last time I checked it was everyone's space, and as far as any corporation or player is concerned anyone can mine anywhere they wish.
Don't be ridiculous and please don't make outragous claims. A single player in a BS can strip a belt so your problem isn't the BARGE.
And did it occur to you that these "evil large corporations" you speak of actually have new members who benefit from those large scale MO's that would otherwise not be possible?
Hiding behind your alts trying to run EVE. You sad sad thing.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.01.12 04:25:00 -
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i take it this thread upset alot of miners then 
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Gabrien
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Posted - 2005.01.12 14:19:00 -
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I am new to Eve, just started playing 10-12 days ago and I find it a rewarding gaming experience.
The thing I cannot understand is, why does a character have to be in an NPC corp to begin with, or at least once he has commited acts of piracy in secure systems, why doesnt that NPC Corp boot him? There should be a loner status for people like that that perhaps are not guarded by Concord... anyway at least thats the way i ve seen it done in the MMORPG that i ve playied that have clans/corps/familys/blah blah blah
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Retromash
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Posted - 2005.01.12 15:45:00 -
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From your Charter:
Each licensed Pilot must supply his/her licensing details on their Bio's.
IMHO, this should identify targets to be destroyed, regardless of the ship being piloted, regardless of whether or not the ship is involved in a mining operation or not.
I'm sure the number of pilots not interested in your offer will far outweigh the number of pilots who foolishly succumb to your extortion atempts.
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meoff
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Posted - 2005.01.12 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
I for one would like them to continue this.
It won't be long before the current NPC corps is changed, and hopefully players in NPC corps will not be allowed to attack other players only in self-defence, or enter 0.0 space.
Keep up the good work guys, something will get changed if you do
p.s. Lame nubs using alts.
Actually this is the best idea I've seen so far. Why should the NPC corp guys be able to fire on people who are in legitimate corps? Fix this you fix a lot of problems.
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