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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Stront3h
Originally by: Discorporation
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
Of course its always good having fun at the expense of others.....
Ofc, 's what pvp is all about 
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: flummox on 07/01/2005 18:43:07
well, i thought it was only the medium barges being attacked because of the lower hitpoints vs. CONCORD action. well, the Apoc does in fact mine better than a medium barge with regualr Stip Miner II's. i think even an Geddon would mine better than a medium barge. let's find out...
again, all values are rounded after calcs. some ore types might give varying numbers due to volume of ore.
'Geddon w/7 Miner II's; full skillset:
(60*1.25*1.25)*7
1 min cycle = 651
3 min cycle = 1953
Medium Barge w/2 Strip Miner II's:
(540*1.25*1.25*1.15)*2
1 min cycle = 646
3 min cycle = 1940
so, even the 'Geddon is better than a med barge. and, not too much more of a cost, considering in a barge you'll blow up to that kestrel. 'Geddons and Apocs will just point and laugh. well, the 'Geddon would point. the Apoc doesn't need to point. it's just that cool...
check out this thread, buried alive for a full report on the Barge vs. BS...
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.01.07 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: flummox
so, even the 'Geddon is better than an apoc. and, not too much more of a cost, considering in a barge you'll blow up to that kestrel. 'Geddons and Apocs will just point and laugh. well, the 'Geddon would point. the Apoc doesn't need to point. it's just that cool...
??????
You probably mean "even the 'Geddon is better then a Retriever"
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UnrulyEvil
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: whathappened
I am sorry, but what gives you the right to demand money from anybody wanting to mine in any space? and even worse to demand people dont mine a roid below a certain level.
did i miss the email sent out imforming me of the new subscrption fee? i pay my money each month to play this game, and no where does it say i have to pay for the right to mine. if i want to get in my barge and mine a belt clean. i have that right, and you and nobody else can tell me otherwise.
yes the fact i was extremely pee'd off when i first started playing and was doing the tutorial missions. but couldnt find a roid to mine in the system, made me never really mine anywhere near 1.0. and that was my personal preference out of consideration for newer players. however your whole approach to this IMHO is nothing but griefing, how many new players are gonna listen to you and your demands in empire space? probably none cos i owuld just lol at you too. so you blow them up, and make them annoyed because they just lost thier ship they spent a few weeks training to get into and saved for.
tell you what bud, lets see you and your griefing friends enforce this BS ona group of apocs with drones strip mining a belt. ih that right wont be able to do that so easy will you. the crunch of it is, your using CCP's good judgement in allowing people to redsign thier avatars to create disposable alts, for the sole purpose of destroying or blackmailing people. and whats the worst part you are worse than a pirate, because you dont have the brass balls to be honest about. cos when your sec rating drops too far, what will you do? delete and create another alt. at least a real pirate keeps thier avatar.
so to sum it up your basically a blackmailing, noob griefing, exploiter, who doesnt even have the brass to be a real pirate. you should be ashamed of yourself, for even considering this to be a acceptable act.
I strongly agree with the this man.
Edited for ranting - Saucerhead
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Corb
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 18:50:16
if you guys would look in other threads you will see that these guys have been exposed as AUS corp alts.
which is funny cuz they mine in Jita with Bships, and they are just mad cuz they are competing with Strip miners or "Mining Barges".
sad state of affairs. they sound like hypocrits to me.
*Edited for clarification on Strip Miners
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Corb
they sound like hypocrits to me.
Amen to that.....
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: flummox
so, even the 'Geddon is better than an apoc. and, not too much more of a cost, considering in a barge you'll blow up to that kestrel. 'Geddons and Apocs will just point and laugh. well, the 'Geddon would point. the Apoc doesn't need to point. it's just that cool...
??????
You probably mean "even the 'Geddon is better then a Retriever"
oops. yes, i do... 8)
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Corb
Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 18:50:16
if you guys would look in other threads you will see that these guys have been exposed as AUS corp alts.
which is funny cuz they mine in Jita with Bships, and they are just mad cuz they are competing with Strip miners or "Mining Barges".
sad state of affairs. they sound like hypocrits to me.
*Edited for clarification on Strip Miners
AUS corp....like AUS C corp headed by Evil Squirrel??
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:31:00 -
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aaahhhh.
Look at the attention seeking alts...
And look! they succeded. Nice one!
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:40:00 -
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All people here that are calling them griefers are hypocrits. They are in a corp. As such they can be warred upon (but then most of your roidsucking alts are in newbiecorps, nice and protected).
Correction, they are not in a corp as you stated in parenthesis. They cannot be warred upon unless they go join Ryctor (which I doubt they would) and his merry corp of raiders. So whatever point you were trying to make there is lost in the ability to defend ones self.
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Corb
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 19:42:38
First of all ASSestorion, i'm not an Alt. Just because I'm not in a player corp doesn't warrant that title.
Ryctor if you would look in Crime and Punishment, you will see the threads that are now locked.
Draw your own conclussion.
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Cayote XIII
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cayote XIII on 07/01/2005 19:48:50
I got just one word for this guy (the original post)....
PATHETIC
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Virago
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Posted - 2005.01.07 19:56:00 -
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Corb, I saw the post that you were referring to.
It was one of the Barge Killing Members asking a question in one of the forums, and it was signed by EvilSyko. The thread was soon edited and changed back to the name of the alt #1 Nervous or something.
EvilSyko is CEO of AUS Corporation, not AUS C.
Somone posted this is Crime and Punishment and the content of the post was removed, and locked. There was another Thread about these guys locked too.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Virago
Corb, I saw the post that you were referring to.
It was one of the Barge Killing Members asking a question in one of the forums, and it was signed by EvilSyko. The thread was soon edited and changed back to the name of the alt #1 Nervous or something.
EvilSyko is CEO of AUS Corporation, not AUS C.
Somone posted this is Crime and Punishment and the content of the post was removed, and locked. There was another Thread about these guys locked too.
Actually, he posted under his alt nick, but had forgot to remove his main's signature on his post. Hence revealed his main Evilsykoskitzo, it was edited, but someone took notice of and made some posts that got removed.
I did a summary in the thread you speak about on the Crime and Punishment forum, but that got removed as well. Seeing this should be on topic and in relevant thread, maybe my post wont get nered now 
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 07/01/2005 20:27:18
 I dont feels so good now knowing who they are. Cant say that I hold AUS C in the highest regards considering that 8 members of their little girlscout brigade tried (and failed horribly) to pop my BattleIndy for nicking a huge load of ore from them.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Asestorian on 07/01/2005 20:40:39
Originally by: Corb
Edited by: Corb on 07/01/2005 19:42:38
First of all ASSestorion, i'm not an Alt. Just because I'm not in a player corp doesn't warrant that title.
Ryctor if you would look in Crime and Punishment, you will see the threads that are now locked.
Draw your own conclussion.
Actually i was refering to the original poster...
It just all seems like attention seeking to me, and, its been very well done, my views on the barge killing thing are irrelevant anyway, although i don't really think its that bad, but its the circumstances in which it is done.
Oh, and that play on my characters name has been done so many times before i almost didn't notice it.
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Talons
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:28:00 -
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Well, come on. We're there now, STRIPMINING as we are apt to do. That is what happens when your corp is as large as CLS. We are very large and have a large appetite.
Funny, we have all these Barges out here STRIPPING the belts CLEAN in a 0.5 system and NOT ONE Guildie. Not one.
Must be BS then? Which it is.
But, like the other guy said: "We all pay our REAL money!"
and another guy said: "PATHETIC!"
Go **** in someone else's backyard!
I'm done now!
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Celestial Horizon Corporation
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Talons
I think you missed my point, dude!
Re-read it again. I couldn't care less about declaring war on them. My point is: Their position is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY Illogical.
Talons
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
They could be exploiting though because it's all down to GM's opinion of each single circumstance.
At least, that's my interpretation of what Oveur and Arkanon have said.
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Nyrram
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nyrram on 07/01/2005 21:48:33
Has anyone actually tried mining in 0.0 with a barge? I have my doubts as to whether it would be as efficient as using bships, since when big things spawn, the first thing for everyone in a hauler to do is leave the belt.. which since barges are currently paper thin..
And if you buy from an NPC, you risk almost the same amount as on a low-tier battleship.. I mean.. you lose a low tier bship you are out what, 20 mil or so after insurance payout if you get a good price? That's the same amount as if you lose a fully-insured Covetor, and they are MUCH easier to lose.. plus, a properly fitted mining bship can stay in the belt while the cover ships take care of the bship spawn..
After the barge boost, things may be different..
edit: as for mining in .9/1.0... there are TONS of these sectors available that noone ever visits.. off the beaten path so to speak.. if I'm ever bored and want to mine solo in a high sec system, I have several to choose from that never see any other mining vessels... with veldspar rocks 70k+ and plagioclase/scordite over 40k occaisionally.. one in particular I've seen a grand total of 4 other people even fly through in the 6 months I've been using it..
So if you are upset that there are no rocks in Jita.. try another system, it's not like there is a shortage of 0.9 systems.
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Horsefly
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Posted - 2005.01.07 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Horsefly on 07/01/2005 21:59:43
well good luck with all that. BTW you kill too many people and you too will be killed
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.01.07 22:29:00 -
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me? killed? oh c'mon! you can't be serious! no one, and i mean NO ONE, can take out the FlummIteron...
let's not lose our grip on reality, okay?
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.07 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Who cares, as long as they're having fun and not exploiting, it's all good.
Exactly, I mean who cares if they strip the fun from other peoples games aye...
Afterall, it is all about you!
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Jonny Rocket
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Posted - 2005.01.08 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Araviel
as i understand from what Oveur said its fine and you can continue unless you delete your alts once they got bad sec rating.
if you go and kill NPC to raise their sec rating again its ok but if you just delete them and create new ones instead your "finito", and all you accounts will be banned,
i think this was a very good descision by Oveur,
you can keep doing what you do, but you still have to pay the consequences
So market scammers and especially corp thiefs are all going to be banned aswell then by that logic I hope?
They take no risk, and rely on recyling alts to get into new corps. If they acturally had a reputation that followed them, they would start to find business becoming very poor.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.08 01:17:00 -
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"First of all ASSestorion, i'm not an Alt. Just because I'm not in a player corp doesn't warrant that title."
Well it does warrant the title of "Griefer" if you plan to barge kill while in an npc corp. Why? Because your taking advantage of game mechanics (that being your invulnerable to attack by HONEST players due to Concord) to your advantage.
Players like the original poster may try to sound honorable by saying "we're not using alts" but in reality its still griefing UNLESS they join a corp. Look at the situation. If they remain in an NPC corp what happens? Nothing. Same result as before using alts. They attack without risk from other players. Eve is "PvP" yet they make it "PvH" (player versus helpless). Why helpless? Because the barge can't even defend itself with drones because if it fires first (say when it sees the bad guy coming) its ganked by Concord. By the time the kestrel fires its TOO LATE because he's dead.
Join or make a real corp called "Barge Killers Inc" or something. THEN you won't be griefing. Why? Because corps that are mining will be able to declare war on you and thus fire on you when they see you coming thus they are able to defend themselves.
Otherwise its just lame griefing... no different then before.
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Necronomicon
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Posted - 2005.01.08 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Necronomicon on 08/01/2005 02:09:53
Arse to them
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.01.08 23:29:00 -
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My corp stripped a couple belts in a 0.5 near Jita and inviting the "Killers" out to stop them. Needless to say, they didn't show.
This thread is turning into more and more of a waste of bandwidth.
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Germain
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Posted - 2005.01.09 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Germain on 09/01/2005 02:01:45
hello eve-ryone!
can the Author please tell me what ore i can mine and how much of it i can have
as i would not like to be shot at by his corp (er one sec he does not have one)
your post is well written but know where does it say how much we miners can mine. you do not put a link to the eve player guide to the section where it says i can only mine for X min per day or Xm3 of ore.
i have been looking for a few days now but i cannot find it.
PLEASE HELP ME.
i am mining in Aldrat, is the sec status of that system to high for you or will i be safe from the stuipity.
if you want to have ago you can.
oh and i have also moved to 0.2 spce to mine as well yes i will strip mine the system, but i do not think you will go to 0.2 space because you are a COWARD. a selfrightous, excuse for a roleplayer.
"so i am taking the greed back"
i though miners were miners er and i think it is in the list when you make a player, if you do not want ppl to Stripmine - with Stripminers (you know thoes things CCP put in the market called Stripminers) petition CCP i think they will see it your way and nerf that part of the game for you. NOT.
HERE's another bit i like:
"So I'm taking the greed back. I can't mine 0.0 because of the corps or the alliances so hell bent on world domination. I cant mine 0.4 or below because of the wannabe bounty pirates. So i'm protecting my way of living and my sources of income."
Author you cannot mine in 0.4 space, why i am in 0.2 (see above) and i do well. what do you not have the skills to fight them? oh thats right you only fight ppl how cannot fight back!
or the last bit of the above. "MY sources of income" i cannot see your name on it. WHERE'S your name on that roid - i had a good look but no nothing there. or is it that you do not know how to use the jumpgate's so cannot find any more systems. - Use the map,its on the left hand side of you screen little blue button with stars on it.
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME, go do something else, like basket weaving.
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Haratu
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Posted - 2005.01.09 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/01/2005 02:45:20
So how does blowing up random newbies in mining barges prevent corps from strip mining high sec space?
Also i find not deleting hard to believe, after you reach -3 you cant enter 1.0, then what?
lol, this is a bit late to quote this but i thought it was funny... newbies don't fly mining barges... if they fly them they are obviously not new (check the skill requirements).
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Xivox
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Posted - 2005.01.12 03:13:00 -
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First of all, did it ever occur to you that if strip mining was such a bad idea the devs wouldn't create a ship designed to do just that?
Second, who put you in charge of moderating game mechanics? As far as I'm concerned CCP still owns the game and there are GM's employed for that purpose.
Furthermore:
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The Barge Killing Guild was set up to stop the increasing number Mining Barges and corporations killing empire space of its low and medium grade ores... Not content with barricading themselves in 0.0 with the rare ores that yield substantially more cash than any other. They come into empire space and******the belts so small corps and lone players are left to pick the morsels they choose to leave behind.
Did you read this before you made the post? Those corporations also need to manufacture goods - you name a good that requires only Mega and Zyd and we'll stop mining empire. Idiot.
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Well no more shall a barge take the food from the smaller and less experienced. No more shall we sit idly by and watch the world of EvE become a monopoly. No more shall a mining barge pop the last asteroid of Kernite, Omber or Pyroxeres.
I don't think BARGES are your problem bud. Before barges were implemented people did this with Battleships and we didn't see you waving your flag of rightousness then. You're just after making an easy kill to TRY and make something of your insignificant self.
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We will destroy ANY barge that is found in empire space. CONCORD and the DED have tried but failed many times to stop us. We are not thieves we will not loot your cans.
No, you're griefers. If a new guy trains straight away for a small mining barge and you blow him up - how is that helping the community?
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If you are a Corporation wishing to mine with barges in Empire space then you can apply for a permit to do so. Email Us for the charter and further details. The charter can also be found HERE.
So you not only grief but now DEMAND that people pay you to mine in Empire? Who wishes to make EVE into a monopoly now?
Last time I checked it was everyone's space, and as far as any corporation or player is concerned anyone can mine anywhere they wish.
Don't be ridiculous and please don't make outragous claims. A single player in a BS can strip a belt so your problem isn't the BARGE.
And did it occur to you that these "evil large corporations" you speak of actually have new members who benefit from those large scale MO's that would otherwise not be possible?
Hiding behind your alts trying to run EVE. You sad sad thing.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.01.12 04:25:00 -
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i take it this thread upset alot of miners then 
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