Originally by: Umega

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Still missing the underlying point.. it was right there..

Of course DCU equates to more hp. But in a rail DD.. when you are ****ed, you are ****ed. There is no.. 'ok, well I might got this'. No.. if some of you have actually flown the ship, which looks highly doubtful from some of the posts.. you'd get this very point..

The eanm fit does last in armor in the majority of fights you'll commit to and encounter in a rail DD while you are out n about. The DCU is more likely to bleed structure.. bleed structure again.. bleed some more. Not everyone has the chance to dock up and fix their bleeding structure out in null. So as time progress.. your ehp IS DROPPING and starting lower in the DCU fit vs the eanm fit. Seriously.. get off eft, play the game. Structure doesn't magically repair itself. Get off eft n the forums and try it.

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Originally by: Riedle

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Originally by: Umega

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Still missing the underlying point.. it was right there..

Of course DCU equates to more hp. But in a rail DD.. when you are ****ed, you are ****ed. There is no.. 'ok, well I might got this'. No.. if some of you have actually flown the ship, which looks highly doubtful from some of the posts.. you'd get this very point..

The eanm fit does last in armor in the majority of fights you'll commit to and encounter in a rail DD while you are out n about. The DCU is more likely to bleed structure.. bleed structure again.. bleed some more. Not everyone has the chance to dock up and fix their bleeding structure out in null. So as time progress.. your ehp IS DROPPING and starting lower in the DCU fit vs the eanm fit. Seriously.. get off eft, play the game. Structure doesn't magically repair itself. Get off eft n the forums and try it.

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Mr Pro's battleclinic


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I can't count the number of times a suitcase has saved my ass. Throwing away half your structure to have slightly improved armour resists is nearly always dumb. My DD has escaped plenty of bad situations in hull. Had I put an eanm on it would not. You are clueless but at least your posting is entertaining.

As for hurr durr go try it ingame, I and many others have. It's still amusing to me when I turn around a fight from ohnoes quarter hull I'm dead to watching him enter structure and then explode in seconds.

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Originally by: Umega

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Rail
Fit
Daredevil

If you and anyone is getting into repeated fights with a rail fit DD that results in structure fighting, you suck at using the ship. This ship.. if you're going to hit structure with DCU or not, chances are you already lost the fight and your ship before that moment even occured. Herp derp.. sorry you suck at using this ship if you come across repeated structure moments in a rail DD. Try a cheaper option.

Oh wait.. you're probably talking about a blaster DD, aren't ya? I had already stated DCU should go with a blaster fit.. but whatever. Can't look like a forum bully/genius if you spent the time reading, and comprehending what people have stated through the entire arguement. It's best to ignore some things so when your mouth opens.. you feel more relevent and your ego can be fed.

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Originally by: Intigo

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Hey Umega, what are your characters?

Since you have multiple characters and all.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Originally by: Intigo

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Hey Umega, what are your characters?

Since you have multiple characters and all.

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Emo TJ is his dramiel pilot.

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Originally by: Intigo

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You are as bad at trolling as you are at general posting.

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Originally by: Intigo

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Hey Umega, what are your characters?

Since you have multiple characters and all.

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Originally by: Umega

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Originally by: Intigo

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Hey Umega, what are your characters?

Since you have multiple characters and all.

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My characters are a binary combo.. how about yours?

If you don't like my choosen forum posting character.. thats really your problem. Some people prefer to avoid using certain characters for a variety of reasons, political agenda, corp/alliance rules of conduct, yada yada.

Nor does everyone need to run around the forum with an air of superiority just because they have a good kill ratio blobing people in Providence, 18% of kills against pods, and their only significant 1v1 ratio comes from killing frigs/indies/cruisers in a hurricane. And a majority of their loses comes from 1v1 when not having an obvious upper hand. I suppose all that really makes you.. special. Special if you have it set in your mind you're of any importance on these forums and in this game.

But you know you're not. Oh wait.. you don't really play anymore but you still run around the forums quite regulary. Perhaps you do believe you are important.. or you just want people to still believe you are.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry you need an interweb forum to feel a sense of worth. Asking and wondering about my other characters.. I can tell, you find a 'name' important. And you obviously cherish yours. No denying what you are, Intigo. It is all right there.

Now, by all means.. insert you're bland remark to continue your self preservation of being an important, angry, bitter, EVE forum troll that has about as much wit as a rock dried out under the sun in New Jersey.

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Originally by: Riedle

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Originally by: Umega

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Originally by: Intigo

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Hey Umega, what are your characters?

Since you have multiple characters and all.

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My characters are a binary combo.. how about yours?

If you don't like my choosen forum posting character.. thats really your problem. Some people prefer to avoid using certain characters for a variety of reasons, political agenda, corp/alliance rules of conduct, yada yada.

Nor does everyone need to run around the forum with an air of superiority just because they have a good kill ratio blobing people in Providence, 18% of kills against pods, and their only significant 1v1 ratio comes from killing frigs/indies/cruisers in a hurricane. And a majority of their loses comes from 1v1 when not having an obvious upper hand. I suppose all that really makes you.. special. Special if you have it set in your mind you're of any importance on these forums and in this game.

But you know you're not. Oh wait.. you don't really play anymore but you still run around the forums quite regulary. Perhaps you do believe you are important.. or you just want people to still believe you are.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry you need an interweb forum to feel a sense of worth. Asking and wondering about my other characters.. I can tell, you find a 'name' important. And you obviously cherish yours. No denying what you are, Intigo. It is all right there.

Now, by all means.. insert you're bland remark to continue your self preservation of being an important, angry, bitter, EVE forum troll that has about as much wit as a rock dried out under the sun in New Jersey.

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haha, U mad? lol

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Same answer if I asked if you were at all relevent.. nope.

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Originally by: Aerilis

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OMFG Umega you are so dumb... seriously...

I especially like the part how you ignore the math I laid out step by step and continue to insist that the breakeven point of a DCU vs an EANM has some kind of magical connection with whether you fit blasters or rails on your DD.

I am telling you that hands down you are the most stupid person I have ever had the misfortune of arguing with over the internet.

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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Edited by: Dav Varan on 08/11/2010 10:03:06

Originally by: Aerilis

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OMFG Umega you are so dumb... seriously...

I especially like the part how you ignore the math I laid out step by step and continue to insist that the breakeven point of a DCU vs an EANM has some kind of magical connection with whether you fit blasters or rails on your DD.

I am telling you that hands down you are the most stupid person I have ever had the misfortune of arguing with over the internet.

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I brought a new car yesterday.

I had difficulty choosing between the 3 litre tc petrol or the 2 litre tc diesel.

I looked at the maths and the 3 litre petrol was the better car

187 mph > 146 mph

So 3 litre petrol it is then.

Oh wait

I did the wrong fecking math.

I wanted the car with the better mpg.

I am such an idiot.

30mpg < 50mpg.

Do you get it yet ? mmm


Do the right math.

Sometimes sustainable "primary buffer" tank is more important than total ehp

Rail dd is one of the ships where this applies.

Get you head out of EFT & spreadsheets and play the game more and you might know this.

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Originally by: Aerilis

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YOU. NEED. TO. REPAIR. THROUGH. THE. INITIAL. DIFFERENCE. BETWEEN. EHP. IN. ORDER. FOR. THE. EANM. TO. BE. BETTER. THIS. TAKES. TEN. MINUTES. PLEASE TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE MY MATH IS WRONG, I WILL POST A VIDEO OF MYSELF APOLOGIZING NAKED FOR BEING SUCH A CONDESCENDING **** ON THE INTERNET.

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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first of all may I say lol

I never said your math is wrong.
I said you did the wrong math.

Your working out total ehp in the assumption that this is the most important attribute.

For me total ehp is not the most important thing in a rail dd fit.

In fact I fit a lot of ships with Nanofibers "SHOCK" "HORROR" cause speed and agility is more fracking important than taking 1 second longer to die cause I've been snagged and have a DCU fitted.

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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Originally by: Aerilis

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YOU. NEED. TO. REPAIR. THROUGH. THE. INITIAL. DIFFERENCE. BETWEEN. EHP. IN. ORDER. FOR. THE. EANM. TO. BE. BETTER. THIS. TAKES. TEN. MINUTES. PLEASE TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE MY MATH IS WRONG, I WILL POST A VIDEO OF MYSELF APOLOGIZING NAKED FOR BEING SUCH A CONDESCENDING **** ON THE INTERNET.

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first of all may I say lol

I never said your math is wrong.
I said you did the wrong math.

Your working out total ehp in the assumption that this is the most important attribute.

For me total ehp is not the most important thing in a rail dd fit.

In fact I fit a lot of ships with Nanofibers "SHOCK" "HORROR" cause speed and agility is more fracking important than taking 1 second longer to die cause I've been snagged and have a DCU fitted.

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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666

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You guys do realize you are all getting trolled about that damage control, right?

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Originally by: Aerilis

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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Originally by: Aerilis

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YOU. NEED. TO. REPAIR. THROUGH. THE. INITIAL. DIFFERENCE. BETWEEN. EHP. IN. ORDER. FOR. THE. EANM. TO. BE. BETTER. THIS. TAKES. TEN. MINUTES. PLEASE TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE MY MATH IS WRONG, I WILL POST A VIDEO OF MYSELF APOLOGIZING NAKED FOR BEING SUCH A CONDESCENDING **** ON THE INTERNET.

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first of all may I say lol

I never said your math is wrong.
I said you did the wrong math.

Your working out total ehp in the assumption that this is the most important attribute.

For me total ehp is not the most important thing in a rail dd fit.

In fact I fit a lot of ships with Nanofibers "SHOCK" "HORROR" cause speed and agility is more fracking important than taking 1 second longer to die cause I've been snagged and have a DCU fitted.

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We're not arguing about a EANM vs. a nano, we're arguing about a EANM vs a DCU. Both of which do nearly the same thing, increase resists. Guess what resists are for? TANKING. TO SURVIVE LONGER.

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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survive longer

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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control damage taken

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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Originally by: Aerilis

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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Originally by: Aerilis

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YOU. NEED. TO. REPAIR. THROUGH. THE. INITIAL. DIFFERENCE. BETWEEN. EHP. IN. ORDER. FOR. THE. EANM. TO. BE. BETTER. THIS. TAKES. TEN. MINUTES. PLEASE TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE MY MATH IS WRONG, I WILL POST A VIDEO OF MYSELF APOLOGIZING NAKED FOR BEING SUCH A CONDESCENDING **** ON THE INTERNET.

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first of all may I say lol

I never said your math is wrong.
I said you did the wrong math.

Your working out total ehp in the assumption that this is the most important attribute.

For me total ehp is not the most important thing in a rail dd fit.

In fact I fit a lot of ships with Nanofibers "SHOCK" "HORROR" cause speed and agility is more fracking important than taking 1 second longer to die cause I've been snagged and have a DCU fitted.

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We're not arguing about a EANM vs. a nano, we're arguing about a EANM vs a DCU. Both of which do nearly the same thing, increase resists. Guess what resists are for? TANKING. TO SURVIVE LONGER.

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You dont tank to survive longer in a GTFO anytime it want rail dd fit.

That what you do in a blaster dd fit.

In a rail dd fit you control range and damage taken.
If you cant tank in primary buffer before killing your opponent then you leave.

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Originally by: Sergeant Shafto

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So assuming you never want to risk losing your ship in a really good close fight, and therefore plan a rough amount of ehp to get down to before you gtfo:

with an eanm, you get to 20% armour and think you could lose, so you leave.

with a dcu, you get to 5-10% armour and think you could lose so you leave.

benfit of the eanm: none

benfit of the dcu: you get longer to find out whether you might lose or not (as more total ehp in structure and armour = more ehp you can lose before hitting the pre-set limit) and if getting out should take longer than you want and you enter structure, you won't melt in under a second.

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Originally by: Umega

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Rail
Fit
Daredevil

If you and anyone is getting into repeated fights with a rail fit DD that results in structure fighting, you suck at using the ship. This ship.. if you're going to hit structure with DCU or not, chances are you already lost the fight and your ship before that moment even occured. Herp derp.. sorry you suck at using this ship if you come across repeated structure moments in a rail DD. Try a cheaper option.

Oh wait.. you're probably talking about a blaster DD, aren't ya? I had already stated DCU should go with a blaster fit.. but whatever. Can't look like a forum bully/genius if you spent the time reading, and comprehending what people have stated through the entire arguement. It's best to ignore some things so when your mouth opens.. you feel more relevent and your ego can be fed.

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