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Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:01:00 -
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Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?
Apart from the obvious minor benefit that war is slightly easier to administer, it seems setup to protect large alliances. Not that alliances even have to be that large before war costs become painful for smaller corporations.
So please explain to me how this is an improvement on the old system. For everyone apart from massive alliances, that is. |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:03:00 -
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But you're part of the monocled elite, surely this is no big burden to such affluent people as yourselves. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:03:00 -
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You used to be able to dog pile on goons but they saw that fixed quickly. |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:05:00 -
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Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:But you're part of the monocled elite, surely this is no big burden to such affluent people as yourselves.
even the monocled elite take exception to 1.5bn a week of war bills for deccing three alliances... it's insane |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:10:00 -
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Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status. |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:14:00 -
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Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status.
that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs....  |
Shukuzen Kiraa
Neurodyne
198
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:15:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status. that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs....
So bring the fight to them instead of being lazy and waiting for them to wander into high sec. |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:15:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status. that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs....
Because there totally aren't these things called alts, right? |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
275
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:17:00 -
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Had to check the date to see if this was a necro ...
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Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:21:00 -
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Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:Lady Whipcrack wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status. that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs.... So bring the fight to them instead of being lazy and waiting for them to wander into high sec.
would you like my 5 man corp to go capture their stations?
war declarations exist to provide fighting in empire, that is the point of them - they are nothing to do with 0.0 territorial war
the point I am making is that the new wardec system seems to make declaring war on alliances vastly more expensive than it was previously - why is that necessary? the only beneficiaries are large alliances, who won't give a toss about the cost when declaring war themselves, but are protected from wardecs from smaller entities - that seems bizarre, why was this change necessary? it seems a strange change for the worse |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION
Tactical Narcotics Team
251
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:22:00 -
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Want more targets? Pay more... |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:22:00 -
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Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Lady Whipcrack wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status. that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs.... Because there totally aren't these things called alts, right?
yes there are, but that doesn't stop people using their mains - if you don't believe me go around the major trade hubs right now for yourself
anyway what is your point? that I should go reinforce their stations? I don't want to, I want to intercept them in empire... under the old wardec system that might have cost anything from 50m to a few hundred million... the new system is ridiculous |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:23:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Want more targets? Pay more...
pay vastly more than the old system? why?
please explain why the change was necessary |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:23:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:the point I am making is that the new wardec system seems to make declaring war on alliances vastly more expensive than it was previously - why is that necessary?
Because CCP got it into their heads that you should pay for the number of targets available to be attacked.
In my honest opinion, the cost should have been scaled on something else, other than just number of characters in a corp/alliance. All this does is promote artificial bloating of numbers as protection from wardecs. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:27:00 -
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Save 500m and make a trip to Deklein.
püåpüÉpüàn+P |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:27:00 -
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Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Lady Whipcrack wrote:the point I am making is that the new wardec system seems to make declaring war on alliances vastly more expensive than it was previously - why is that necessary? Because CCP got it into their heads that you should pay for the number of targets available to be attacked. In my honest opinion, the cost should have been scaled on something else, other than just number of characters in a corp/alliance. All this does is promote artificial bloating of numbers as protection from wardecs.
I was under the impression that most 0.0 alliances enjoyed empire wardecs from smaller entities, as it provided some fun, light-hearted empire fights away from 0.0 blobbage
it's a change that benefits no-one, apart from the massive renter alliances like solar citizens
it's not like the large alliances needed a helping hand against 5 man corps in empire |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2536
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:30:00 -
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What makes you think a 5-man scrub corporation should have the right to cheap wardecs against massive entities? 500m isn't exactly a lot of money these days anyway so if you are struggling to come up with a fee like that then I would suggest you have no business involving yourself in wardecs.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Demolishar
United Aggression
326
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:31:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:
even the monocled elite take exception to 1.5bn a week of war bills for deccing three alliances... it's insane
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Any true monocleer would easily pay that cost. I make more than that DAILY. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION
Tactical Narcotics Team
251
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:32:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Want more targets? Pay more... pay vastly more than the old system? why? please explain why the change was necessary
I dunno, to add depth? If you want to dec a large alliance you'll need to resources to do it?
At the end of the day if you want to attack a nullsec alliance there's plenty of free alternatives to attacking them... |
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
43
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:34:00 -
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Simply mail all the diplos, and recruitment officers that your better than them at PVP, and they wouldnt dare come to empire, and wait for them to war dec you ? |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:34:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:What makes you think a 5-man scrub corporation should have the right to cheap wardecs against massive entities? 500m isn't exactly a lot of money these days anyway so if you are struggling to come up with a fee like that then I would suggest you have no business involving yourself in wardecs.
I could afford the first 12 weeks against 3 alliances before the corp wallet ran dry, but that's hardly the point
the point is, it's vastly more expensive than the old system - why was this change necessary? who benefits?
it seems to benefit no-one, since most 0.0 alliances appreciate some light-hearted empire fun (excluding renter alliances) |
Demolishar
United Aggression
327
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:38:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:
the point is, it's vastly more expensive than the old system - why was this change necessary? who benefits?
Everyone benefits because it's a very nice isk sink. You call yourself a monocleer with THAT lack of understanding? |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.05 20:39:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:You used to be able to dog pile on goons but they saw that fixed quickly.
I love the image of The Mittani  sitting in his underground bunker as a wall of screens show multiple graphs and numbers scrolling past. He grins as he watches his empire tick along.
 "Sir we were just wardecced"
 "And another sir"
 "Another over here!"
"My God.."
The Mittani picks up the reciever on the large red telephone to his left.
"GET ME THE PRESIDENT (of ccp)"
Fade to black....
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
872
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:15:00 -
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Declaring war on us would be pointless anyhow. You'll only ever end up fighting the half dozen of us or so that actually give a damn about empire. The vast majority of goons avoid empire like the plague.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:25:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Declaring war on us would be pointless anyhow. You'll only ever end up fighting the half dozen of us or so that actually give a damn about empire. The vast majority of goons avoid empire like the plague.
But a wardec would surely cause you all to tremble in fear. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
41
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:28:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status. that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs....
So you're too lazy to go find them in null sec and too cheap to go after free kills in highsec... sucks to be you bro. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1594
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:46:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Lady Whipcrack wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status. that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs.... Because there totally aren't these things called alts, right? yes there are, but that doesn't stop people using their mains - if you don't believe me go around the major trade hubs right now for yourself anyway what is your point? that I should go reinforce their stations? I don't want to, I want to intercept them in empire... under the old wardec system that might have cost anything from 50m to a few hundred million... the new system is ridiculous
yeah uh nobody goes to trade hubs on their mains unless they're dumb
keep the wardecs coming o7o7o7o7
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
387
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Posted - 2012.08.05 22:23:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?
Apart from the obvious minor benefit that war is slightly easier to administer, it seems setup to protect large alliances. Not that alliances even have to be that large before war costs become painful for smaller corporations.
So please explain to me how this is an improvement on the old system. For everyone apart from massive alliances, that is.
In short, it's vastly more expensive to declare war. Why? It's not like 0.0 alliances don't enjoy targets in empire as a break from 0.0 blobbage, so this change seems to benefit no-one (apart from Solar Citizens)
I agree with you, but this is all old news.
Many folk pointed out how silly it was, ooh, last April time if I recall correctly.
You want fries with that? |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
370
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Posted - 2012.08.05 22:31:00 -
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Kinda stupid imo. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1108
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Posted - 2012.08.05 23:05:00 -
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If 500m is a hardship to you, you need to be doing other things than declaring war on goons. Please see your nearest level 4 agent.
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