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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.06 04:24:00 -
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If you use it where it excels it is the best missile boat for the job, long range.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.11.06 04:28:00 -
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The proper fit for a cerb is an AML cerb.
 Originally by: CCP Lemur
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.11.06 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
The proper fit for a cerb is a Tengu.
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Originally by: Templar Dane
Tanking is not a role.
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CCP Jericho
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Posted - 2010.11.06 05:53:00 -
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Le Creed
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Posted - 2010.11.06 08:24:00 -
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Excuse me Jericho, would it be possible to get this passed on, caldari hacs are severely lacking. Perhaps take suggestions about adding a 6th launcher slot in the place of the free one. drop flight time off the bonus and add missile speed?
Or perhaps make it an up close and personal brawler?
Since the eagle is also a snipe hac, but its in rather pathetic condition for damage as is.
Would be nice for CCp to revisit them. Since the only real pvp ships caldari has atm is the drake. Tengu id you dont mind blowing the isk.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
StarHunt
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Posted - 2010.11.06 10:33:00 -
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The only problem the Eagle has is hybrid turrets. Once they fix hybrid turrets the Eagle will be one of, if not THE premier HAC.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.06 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
The only problem the Eagle has is hybrid turrets. Once they fix hybrid turrets the Eagle will be one of, if not THE premier HAC.
Only if they make Hybrid turrets really good. The Eagle suffers from the same limitation that all Caldari T2 ships have: horribly constricted grid and not enough low slots.
Zealot with 5x T2 Heavy beam lasers: 237.5 Grid remaining
Eagle with 5x T2 250mm rails: 31.75 grid remaining
Deimos with 5x T2 250mm rails: 175.5 grid remaining
In order to fit a Mandatory Warp Drive (u see what I did thar?), the Eagle has to fit an RCU, reducing it to 3 effective low slots. Meanwhile with these hypothetical new super-rails available, it will be overshadowed by the Deimos with its 6 available low slots plus the equivalent of a free damage mod.
Maybe with hypothetical new super-blasters the Eagle could be a worthwhile shield equivalent to the AHAC concept, but as this depends on having low sig and lots of buffer that seems doubtful (The Eagle has 25% larger sig than the Zealot even before putting on shield extenders).
Even if hybrids are improved, the Eagle's niche seem likely to remain as "plinking tin cans at 200Km"
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.11.06 12:54:00 -
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Or perhaps make it an up close and personal brawler?
You mean like the Deimos? Because that ship works so well... 
Give the Cerb a 6th launcher and chances are you will overpower it horribly. As I have explained several times in this thread, HML dps is higher in practice than it looks on paper and works at pretty much any range. Then there's the matter of my HAM Cerb which with this buff would be putting out 660 (774 OH) dps at 40km range. You think Zealot gangs are bad? You've not seen anything yet.
I do like the double missile velocity bonus idea, and still think that a Nighthawk-style explosion velocity bonus to HMLs could work pretty damn well.
Alternatively, we could fix the problem instead of the symptom and buff missile speed across the board...
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.06 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
The proper fit for a cerb is an AML cerb.
lol
Long range is the proper fit, AML cerbs are a waste.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
The proper fit for a cerb is an AML cerb.
lol
Long range is the proper fit, AML cerbs are a waste.
100km light missiles are pretty handy as an anti-support weapon. There's not many frigate sized ships that can stick around.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.11.06 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Then there's the matter of my HAM Cerb which with this buff would be putting out 660 (774 OH) dps at 40km range. You think Zealot gangs are bad? You've not seen anything yet.
if they manage to make it so that it becomes nigh on impossible to fit a viable setup with 6 HAM's but it works marginally well with 6 HML's, why not?
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.11.06 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 06/11/2010 18:43:08
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Then there's the matter of my HAM Cerb which with this buff would be putting out 660 (774 OH) dps at 40km range. You think Zealot gangs are bad? You've not seen anything yet.
if they manage to make it so that it becomes nigh on impossible to fit a viable setup with 6 HAM's but it works marginally well with 6 HML's, why not?
By doing what, nerfing HAM grid use to the point where nothing but the Sacrilege can use them properly? The difference between a HAM and HML fit on a Cerberus right now is a single ancilary current router. The grid difference is just that small.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.11.06 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 06/11/2010 18:43:08
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Then there's the matter of my HAM Cerb which with this buff would be putting out 660 (774 OH) dps at 40km range. You think Zealot gangs are bad? You've not seen anything yet.
if they manage to make it so that it becomes nigh on impossible to fit a viable setup with 6 HAM's but it works marginally well with 6 HML's, why not?
By doing what, nerfing HAM grid use to the point where nothing but the Sacrilege can use them properly? The difference between a HAM and HML fit on a Cerberus right now is a single ancilary current router. The grid difference is just that small.
point taken, back to drawing board.
dual missile speed bonus, kin damage + ROF seems to be the best bet then.
maybe shifting the useless highslot for a mid or a low, and a wee bit more of CPU.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.11.06 21:44:00 -
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a wee bit more of CPU.
^ This please. I can understand low power grid but CCP's habit of giving shield tanked missileboats low CPU is just plain wierd.
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Le Creed
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Posted - 2010.11.06 21:49:00 -
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you mean like the Deimos? Because that ship works so well...
Give the Cerb a 6th launcher and chances are you will overpower it horribly. As I have explained several times in this thread, HML dps is higher in practice than it looks on paper and works at pretty much any range. Then there's the matter of my HAM Cerb which with this buff would be putting out 660 (774 OH) dps at 40km range. You think Zealot gangs are bad? You've not seen anything yet.
I do like the double missile velocity bonus idea, and still think that a Nighthawk-style explosion velocity bonus to HMLs could work pretty damn well.
The Cerb needs something to distinguish it from the Drake besides silly range (which is not exactly much to brag about with missiles) and greater missile precision might just do it.
Alternatively, we could fix the problem instead of the symptom and buff missile speed across the board...
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Funny i see the deimos used far more often than the cerb, imagine that !
I also said previously remove the rate of fire bonus. As for hams at 40km? You ever been shot by them, Unless the target is webbed, even for a BC.. Ive had Canes speed tank them along with harbs..Your dps gets cut by alot. Add terror rage and its that much worse.
It would be 600+ dps in 1 damage type that tends to be the highest resist for most ships.
So anything BC and below sized ship with an AB or a mwd, will be able to speed tank it unless webbed, up close at current state, it will get mauled by many ships and a zealot even if after a change like that would still laugh at a cerb as he blows it to pieces.
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