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Machete Visor	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:54:00 - [31] Originally by: davet517 Edited by: davet517 on 07/11/2010 00:57:27 I'm HOPING that this means that CCP listened. Of course, you are possibly right. They could decide to push ahead, even though they know that the CSM is opposed to it (and I would hope, by extension, the majority of the EVE population). I read all of those "objections" to plex for remap and frankly, I don't get it. It looks like the objection is basically that rich gamers would get a leg up over poor gamers if it was implemented, but I don't see it being any more of a leg up than they have already. If you've got a credit card and you just lost your faction BS, screw it, buy another one. Everyone is fine with that, but not fine with plex for remap? I see plex for remap (and plex for anything else, for that matter) as CCP trying to convert some of the trillions of isk that are sitting in vets wallets right now into cash that they can use. I think the hidden agenda concern isn't that Johnny Ferrari is going to get a leg up in the game, it's that it's going to devalue isk as a real-world currency so it'll get harder for Johhny Alliance Leader to pay for his 37 accounts and all of his buddies accounts with isk. to be honest, if all these changes push plex >1B.. wouldn't that make it easier for new people to try out the game? Buy account, buy 1 plex, stocked w/ ISK for a while....
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Machete Visor to be honest, if all these changes push plex >1B Even 600 mil would be quite a stretch, and only in the short run, until the end of this month, tops. A full month from now, I fully expect it to have gone back below 400 mil a piece. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Dian'h Might I'm waiting for when we can buy SP with plex. And the lack of announcement about remap for PLEX as was seen on SiSi tells you what? 1) Ducks say quack. Dogs say meow. 2) CSM convinced CCP to only do cosmetic changes for PLEX. 3) Farting too hard can have unfortunate side effects. Choose any two.
Without Pity	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:25:00 - [34] I havent seen plex prices move not many people know about this yet
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Without Pity I havent seen plex prices move not many people know about this yet You mean swinging up by 22 million (and that's on a weekend when prices typically swing down) since this was posted counts as "not moving"?
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:36:00 - [36] Originally by: Raid'En these things are the reason for t'amber to leave ? I think so (but not 100% certain). He made some vague references to "new payment methods" in a couple of his GBCW posts without any further details. If these things were buried in CCP email spam, that would explain why I never heard of them either. Thanks for the heads-up, Akita.
Lost Hamster Hamster Holding Corp	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:36:00 - [37] I can confirm it. I received similar newsletter. Rise Plex rise! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shields are like pants, they're supposed to come off. Armor is like the condom once its gone ur ****ed
Enord Loej Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:53:00 - [38] Originally by: davet517 Edited by: davet517 on 07/11/2010 01:07:10 Originally by: Enord Loej A character transfer is $20 and 2 plex is $34.95. What a ****ing deal. Nah, 2 plex is 700m isk. If you gots isk, and you gots no cash, it is a deal. You sell your isk to someone who gots cash, and yeah, the, um... exchange rate looks like it's in for an adjustment. Which is the OPs point, I think. I think you are confusing "a deal" with "being taken advantage of because there are no other options."
El Liptonez	Posted - 2010.11.07 04:20:00 - [39] This will revive botting/RMTing so bad. Can't deny that I like it though. (the PLEX for everything thing)
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.11.07 06:23:00 - [40] If its true about character transfers, that suddenly got a whole lot more interesting for people with ISK. I have been wanting to consolidate 3 characters onto one account and it will only cost me 4 PLEX. Thats a bargain I didn't feel like spending actual money.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.07 06:33:00 - [41] about time! and no I didn't see it
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.11.07 07:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Eto LabOne I just do not understand why they are doing this. My expectation is that CCP believe this will help suck ISK out of stagnant pools that it has been sitting in for years, while simultaneously boosting CCP's cashflow and reducing their liabilities (more people buying PLEX and using PLEX for services instead of subscription). -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
davet517 M. Corp Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.07 07:23:00 - [43] Edited by: davet517 on 07/11/2010 07:25:26 Originally by: Machete Visor Originally by: davet517 to be honest, if all these changes push plex >1B.. wouldn't that make it easier for new people to try out the game? Buy account, buy 1 plex, stocked w/ ISK for a while.... Yes, it would be a boon for anyone who buys game time and isk with cash. It will put the squeeze on those who pay for game time, and potentially these new services, with isk.
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.11.07 07:28:00 - [44] Here come the micro transactions!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.07 07:45:00 - [45] Edited by: Akita T on 07/11/2010 07:49:56 Originally by: davet517 One thing I can tell you for certain. The OP isn't touting this out of the goodness of his heart. He's already placed his bet on this and it trying to start a little "tulip craze" here, or he knows of some folks who were planning to start an alt army after this goes in and he'd like to pee in their cheerios a little. The rumours of my criminal mastermindedness have been greatly exaggerated... ...although always great fun to read Originally by: Lillith Starfire Here come the micro transactions! Words can barely begin to express just how wrong you are. Those aren't microtransactions. If anything, they're the exact opposite of microtransactions. A microtransaction is when you pay real-life cash to get some in-game stuff (which may also be available for in-game cash, doesn't really matter). With this, you (can now indirectly) pay in-game cash to get stuff you only had the option to pay with real-life cash for before. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.11.07 07:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 07/11/2010 03:35:21 _ Portrait swap (1x PLEX) Character transfers (2x PLEX) Via petition, start a new "Power of 2" account (3x PLEX -> 6 months of gametime ; expires 14th of Nov 2010). Oh, and hey, while you're at it, can we also expect to be able to buy EVE-Store stuff with PLEX too in the near or not so near future ? You know the answer to the question. The new PLEX items listed are "freebies" that can be done with code. Items in the EVE-Store are real items that have a real world cost. Consuming PLEX to an intangible in game "item" equals easy profit for CCP, consuming it for real world goods is not as good for the bottom line. Remember, all of this is an effort to increase PLEX consumption demand so that it is remotely close to amount of PLEX created.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.07 07:50:00 - [47] Edited by: Akita T on 07/11/2010 07:54:45 Originally by: Ashina Sito You know the answer to [that] question. Yeah, I sort of do. But one can indulge in a little bit of make-belief fantasy every now and then To be completely fair, though... the cost of store items is lower than their sales value, so you could almost make an economic argument for allowing PLEX to be exchanged for them too. I guess it would depend how much lower the cost is compared to the sales value. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.11.07 08:11:00 - [48] Well I will wait to see what they offer next for plex. Then the next thing after that. If it keeps expanding then yes it is pushing to micro transactions to get people to pay real cash for time code/plex which can then be redeemed for whatever is coming in the future.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.07 08:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Cobalt Sixty Originally by: Akita T Oh, and hey, while you're at it, can we also expect to be able to buy EVE-Store stuff with PLEX too in the near or not so near future ? I Would Come There aren't enough PLEX in game to pay those shipping fees Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.11.07 08:26:00 - [50] Im having a hard time understanding why they are using 30 day's of game time to do this instead of a new in-game item. A plex = 30 days of game time.. why destroy server bandwidth on things like portrait changing and character swap?
Memorya	Posted - 2010.11.07 08:36:00 - [51] I recieved also mail for this stuff. It is true. ------------------------ "English is a funny language; that explains why we park our car on the driveway and drive our car on the parkway." English is my 5th. Language.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.11.07 08:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Enord Loej A character transfer is $20 and 2 plex is $34.95. What a ****ing deal. It's a great deal for me. I like to building up isk through play and as far as I'm concerned using any real $ goes against my own stated game goals. Buying and selling characters would have at least a tiny portion of using $ to get isk, and since I'm playing to amass isk that partially cheating for me. Now I can enter the "slave trade" buying and selling pilots.. I love it ! Although,
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.07 09:05:00 - [53] Originally by: satane i love it how ccp doesnt tell us about these things and just like that they pop up,
Yakumo Smith Gallente TAKEN.	Posted - 2010.11.07 09:32:00 - [54] Making it even easier to transfer accounts annonomously...what possible harm could there be with that... I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.07 09:36:00 - [55] Originally by: Lady Parity Originally by: satane i love it how ccp doesnt tell us about these things and just like that they pop up, Not to mention that this is yet another unfair boost to the NC Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:09:00 - [56] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Lady Parity Originally by: satane i love it how ccp doesnt tell us about these things and just like that they pop up, Not to mention that this is yet another unfair boost to the NC While I appreciate the generic comebacks this stalker personality you have going has to stop, you are like always there, if it makes you feel better if I see you ever in local I will blow you a kiss.
Steve Celeste Overdogs	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:20:00 - [57] Why the hell did you post this in GD
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Machete Visor Originally by: davet517 Edited by: davet517 on 07/11/2010 00:57:27 I'm HOPING that this means that CCP listened. Of course, you are possibly right. They could decide to push ahead, even though they know that the CSM is opposed to it (and I would hope, by extension, the majority of the EVE population). I read all of those "objections" to plex for remap and frankly, I don't get it. to be honest, if all these changes push plex >1B.. wouldn't that make it easier for new people to try out the game? Buy account, buy 1 plex, stocked w/ ISK for a while.... First All PLEX represent $17.50 USD that CCP has been paid AND an obligation to provide the owner with 30 days of game time if redeemed as such, now it can be a bunch of other BS too. CCP pushing to have PLEX gain additional uses besides game time is to remove that obligation and perhaps push sales of PLEX to create more, as well as persuading those who 'work' in game to buy PLEX to subscribe $$ instead, thus gaining them more money. Since there are two primary buyers of GTC($35 USD), new players seeking gold cause they can't wait/can't be bothered to 'try' to make it in game and those who simply don't see the 'value' of wasting their time/effort when they can afford PLEX in whatever number/frequency they actually do buy them. Those PLEX get 'bought' in game by those who have the know how or drive to make enough ISK to afford them, OR have just been around so long they got in on the ground floor of numerous scams and gold printing ventures. That minority (no facts here) buys PLEX for gametime and to resell for more profit. Increasing the ways in which PLEX can be removed from the game can reduce the stockpiles of PLEX, which means prices can go up forcing those who grind (with actual effort) to not be able to buy PLEX for gametime every month. Hence they have to (if they want to play) subscribe for 3-6months and build up their PLEX stockpile, so they spend less time/effort making isk and accept that they only get to play for 'free' for 3-6months out of the year or however long they manage to make it work. Ultimately they may grow to accept that grinding for ISK isn't 'worth it' and just subscribe which makes CCP happy cause that is more $$ in their pocket in addition to those who buy GTC. As it stands with remaps, character transfers, portrait swaps and even the power of two promo PLEX won't be getting an enormous amount of usage beyond normal PLEX for gametime but speculation will see to some change in price. This further blows the 'experiment/exploration of MT/remaps are to help players who made a mistake' BULL** excuses given by CCP out of the water. Back to our GTC buyers they are still; new and needing isk for whatever reason, or view grinding for isk as a waste since they can easily afford to buy GTC and sell as PLEX to get isk, neither is affected by PLEX price increases other than they get to make more isk per $ spent on GTC. Oh, this is also bad for RMT gold farmers cause now GTC/PLEX to $ exchange rate got 'better' and they need to cut their prices to compete, or hack accounts/run more macros. Additionally with PLEX for character transfers, power of two account activation they can and should be using their ISK to activate numerous future macro accounts. Furthermore CCP can continue to introduce a plenitude of ways to consume PLEX thus truly driving a significant percentage of PLEX to be consumed making their prices truly rise. As far as being a 'win win' for new players, technically yes, if they subscribe for x period then buy GTC to sell for isk they can more easily sit on their butts and 'have it now'. Is that good for the game, or for the 'quality' of player EVE wants, arguable. Since CCP seems intent on catering to 'got have it now' and these features were implemented without any real announcement I find T'Amber's resignation all the more poignant. --Welcome to EVE where 'Commit to Excellence' means trying to squeeze another dime out of the player base.--**
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:58:00 - [59] instead of lowering the price to transfer characters to 15$ and using 1 plex to do it, ccp opted to scam the userbase by requiring 2 plex 35$ in-game to transfer a pilot. how is that not taking advantage of people? Giving a choice? Not really a choice between spending 35$ and 20$ is it? As of ccp moving a pilot from one account to the other automatically costs any money yet they just CHARGE CHARGE CHARGE us... jesus how is that right? oh yea i forgot ccp is privately owned company... hatehatehatehate
Funk Engine Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.07 10:59:00 - [60] Edited by: Funk Engine on 07/11/2010 11:01:09 Originally by: Bhattran CCP pushing to have PLEX gain additional uses besides game time is to remove that obligation and perhaps push sales of PLEX to create more, as well as persuading those who 'work' in game to buy PLEX to subscribe $$ instead, thus gaining them more money. No see this doesn't work. You can't "make" a plex out of isk. Somewhere, somehow, someone paid REAL MONEY for every plex in the game. So it won't get them more money in that sense. Only in that there are more ways to use a plex now, so more of them will be consumed. Paying your way through the game with nothing but plexes bought with isk isn't playing for "free." You're just giving someone else isk to sub your account for 30 days with their money.

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