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wakalaka Information And Entropy	Posted - 2010.11.08 15:17:00 - [121] And here I was thinking CCP and myself IRL managed to survive the economic crysis. Well, it has now begun for wakalaka IC. Increase of gametime cost over the clouds, termination of contract trading... But I'm ranting already.
Una Achura	Posted - 2010.11.08 15:27:00 - [122] Originally by: Cyrus Doul Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 08/11/2010 15:13:34 I almost want to make a fourth account. But I would A) Go crazy. and B) probabally close it after month 6 Cause I'm a broke college boy. Can't help you with A, but B has an answer. More plex. For 2 more PLEX in 6 months you can transfer the char to one of your other accounts. That ofc. makes the total deal 6 months of training for 5 plex in total, but still. No actual cash.
Cyrus Doul Infinite Covenant	Posted - 2010.11.08 15:42:00 - [123] Originally by: Una Achura Originally by: Cyrus Doul Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 08/11/2010 15:13:34 I almost want to make a fourth account. But I would A) Go crazy. and B) probabally close it after month 6 Cause I'm a broke college boy. Can't help you with A, but B has an answer. More plex. For 2 more PLEX in 6 months you can transfer the char to one of your other accounts. That ofc. makes the total deal 6 months of training for 5 plex in total, but still. No actual cash. Hehe, let me rephrase that. I'm a College Boy who is also in his final year of college. I am poor on money and on time. My income on 3 accounts is about 100 million a month. You do have a point there though. i could get the fourth account trained up to be able to make alliances in that time. I think thats something people do to passively make isk. Just click a button once or twice every seven days.
Berikath	Posted - 2010.11.08 15:47:00 - [124] What I'm curious about: Will character sellers see a huge crash in prices in several months? I can definitely see lots of people using this to create (at least) one new account, using said account to train up max-learning-skills toons, and selling 'em on character bazaar in about 3 months. *** Wish list for PI: One-click input routing Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle!
Enord Loej Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.08 17:28:00 - [125] Edited by: Enord Loej on 08/11/2010 17:28:18 I like how a lot of you are defending CCP's price gouging. I guess CCP has inundated everyone with not getting what they want they'll feel so blessed when they actually get something they'll defend it regardless how ****ed up it is. When it gets to the point that PLEX will have a larger demand than supply, you'll all of a sudden care that you have to spend $35 worth of ISK instead of the $20 the service actually cost. How dumb do you have to be to defend paying more for something than it should cost, for any reason?
Aylara	Posted - 2010.11.08 18:09:00 - [126] Edited by: Aylara on 08/11/2010 18:12:05 TBH, CCP is gauging here since rl cost for 1 plex (17.5$) is closer to the CC transfer price (20$) than 2 (35$). Oh and CCP you should have made applying for the "power of 2" offer automated, rather than waiting for a GM half a day already Edit: finally is done

CCP Zinfandel	Posted - 2010.11.08 19:13:00 - [127] Hello all, Yes, it's a real offer. No, it wasn't planned this way in advance. It was a good idea half way through the Power of 2 offer. "You know, some folks may not have extra money lying around in RL but they do have lots of wealth in-game. I'll bet some of them might go for this." And then we just quickly put together an offer. The development team who builds offers works in planned two-week sprints so we can't just walk in and ask them for a "buy with PLEX" button. But we got the Customer Service GMs to agree to help out so that's why it's by petition. The character transfer and the portrait swap have been in planning and on a list for a long, long time. Since before I came to CCP, I'm pretty sure. What's the next thing to be available for purchase by PLEX? That's easy. Fanfest tickets will be available for sale very soon and PLEX will be one of the options. We are basically adding options wherever we can. Options are a good thing. Fly safe, Zin

Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.11.08 19:26:00 - [128] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Fanfest tickets will be available for sale very soon and PLEX will be one of the options. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Rage Spear Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.11.08 19:38:00 - [129] not sure if serious...
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.08 20:08:00 - [130] I may be mistaken but I seem to remember fanfest tickets for plex as an option last time as well.
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.08 20:51:00 - [131] Id like plane tickets on a predetermined by ccp airline to be available for purchase by plex lol... omg..
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.08 21:05:00 - [132] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Hello all, Yes, it's a real offer. No, it wasn't planned this way in advance. It was a good idea half way through the Power of 2 offer. "You know, some folks may not have extra money lying around in RL but they do have lots of wealth in-game. I'll bet some of them might go for this." And then we just quickly put together an offer. The development team who builds offers works in planned two-week sprints so we can't just walk in and ask them for a "buy with PLEX" button. But we got the Customer Service GMs to agree to help out so that's why it's by petition. The character transfer and the portrait swap have been in planning and on a list for a long, long time. Since before I came to CCP, I'm pretty sure. What's the next thing to be available for purchase by PLEX? That's easy. Fanfest tickets will be available for sale very soon and PLEX will be one of the options. We are basically adding options wherever we can. Options are a good thing. Fly safe, Zin Character renames via PLEX (with an alias tab showing name history) and a race-change option via PLEX (now that stats are a nonissue) would be absolutely awesome on your collective parts, any chance of that?
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.08 21:18:00 - [133] Pay my mortgage with plex? 30-40 bil isk a month ... hrm The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Berikath	Posted - 2010.11.08 21:30:00 - [134] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel The character transfer and the portrait swap have been in planning and on a list for a long, long time. Since before I came to CCP, I'm pretty sure. Any chance the cost of a character xfer with PLEX could be reviewed? Even if you figure at the price of a regular subscription for the amount of time rather than the cost of the PLEX, character transfer works out to costing about $30 "worth" of PLEXes, or about 150% of the straight $$ cost. I can certainly understand not wanting to sell character transfers for 1 PLEX (making it cheaper to buy a GTC, convert to PLEXes, and do 2 character xfers that way)... but it seems like a little something extra could be thrown in. Maybe character transfers cost 2 PLEXes, but you get a bonus 15 days of subscription on the acct the character is transferred from? *** Wish list for PI: One-click input routing Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle!
Rahnim	Posted - 2010.11.08 21:43:00 - [135] It's very interresting to see all the whining about microtransactions... when in fact its the opposite. Power of 2 option has been there a few times, before you could get it for like 60 euro or something... now you can get it for free by buying a plex ingame with isk... Faceswap, you had the option in the past to change it for a small fee, of I don't know, 15 euro? now you can do it for free, buy just spending in game money... character transfere? heck great chance for character traders to earn isk without spending money out of game :P
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.08 23:23:00 - [136] Id like to see one step further in the system for plex--> character transfers and have the option for the buyer to pay the transfer fee with plex... I can see abuse with that system though so perhaps considering how many tranfers go on, maybe having a gm or 2 in the division to handle scam petitions which hopefully there would be any
Cor Aidan Shore Leave	Posted - 2010.11.08 23:55:00 - [137] Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I used to buy old appartment buildings.. and rehab them entirely.. enw plumbling electaical lines, repari foundations etc... I'd take a building worth 300k and make it worth 600k.. none of that work was taxable until I sold the property... I held many of the properties for 10 years... only ... (i often borrowed against the 600k equity.. maybe pulling out 500k enough .. but the borrowing wasn't a taxable event. You're saying that your properties were never reassessed and you never had to pay higher property tax on the properties for those ~10 years you held them? I didn't think there were any geographical areas like that any more, but sounds excellent! "Sweat equity" is most certainly taxed in many areas. Wonder why companies in the US clear out their inventory at the end of the year? If they don't, that inventory is counted as a taxable asset. If you're a factory, those unsold goods you have at the end of the year - which are just "sweat equity" - are taxed. I can't say I agree with it though: I personally feel that "sweat equity" should indeed only be taxed when it is sold, but that's not the case in some situations.
Karyon Khen	Posted - 2010.11.09 09:11:00 - [138] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel stuff Hell yeah, PLEX prices will skyrocket once again. So it looks like it's either switching to GTC or leaving EVE, at least in my case.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.09 09:25:00 - [139] Originally by: Karyon Khen Hell yeah, PLEX prices will skyrocket once again. So it looks like it's either switching to GTC or leaving EVE, at least in my case. Yes it will be more profitable to buy a plex for $, who knows how much more demand we will get when plex gets more and more uses.
PeHD0M	Posted - 2010.11.09 09:59:00 - [140] Edited by: PeHD0M on 09/11/2010 10:03:28 Say goodbye to all people, who play EVE using PLEXs, because they will be overpriced, that for sure. Nothing special, a few hundreds people. They never paid anyway. Right?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.09 10:04:00 - [141] Originally by: Cor Aidan "Sweat equity" is most certainly taxed in many areas. Wonder why companies in the US clear out their inventory at the end of the year? If they don't, that inventory is counted as a taxable asset. If you're a factory, those unsold goods you have at the end of the year - which are just "sweat equity" - are taxed. I can't say I agree with it though: I personally feel that "sweat equity" should indeed only be taxed when it is sold, but that's not the case in some situations. You get to deduct the expenses you had on the same period; the materials you brought, the personnel you paid, instrumentation depreciation and so on. If that was counted and the inventory wasn't counted it would be way worse as one year you could get a negative value and the next a large positive value, getting to pay worse taxes brackets. Counting the inventory you have (note that you count only the increase of value against previous year inventory) you (hopefully) get to pay less total taxes.
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.11.09 10:29:00 - [142] Edited by: Bhattran on 09/11/2010 10:32:17 Originally by: Rahnim It's very interresting to see all the whining about microtransactions... when in fact its the opposite. Power of 2 option has been there a few times, before you could get it for like 60 euro or something... now you can get it for free by buying a plex ingame with isk... Faceswap, you had the option in the past to change it for a small fee, of I don't know, 15 euro? now you can do it for free, buy just spending in game money... character transfere? heck great chance for character traders to earn isk without spending money out of game :P The opposite would be to remove them, which this isn't doing, the fact that a player has the ability to use a PLEX they purchased in game with isk they made doesn't make it 'free' someone else paid for that PLEX. Removing them means no one pays for them and adding a method for a small segment of the community to "do it for 'free'" isn't removing them. Interesting is how people don't seem to understand what is going on or just choose to misrepresent things. Originally by: PeHD0M Edited by: PeHD0M on 09/11/2010 10:03:28 Say goodbye to all people, who play EVE using PLEXs, because they will be overpriced, that for sure. Nothing special, a few hundreds people. They never paid anyway. Right? That is their choice if they don't feel what they are getting is 'worth it' to pay for then so be it. CCP will get theirs and those that only played because they could grind enough to buy a plex but can't do it a little more, as this will take time to 'permanently'/if ever raise PLEX prices so high they can't put a little extra grinding in to make it. I'm sure some will stop playing but more will sub for a period of time and accept that they can 'only' get away with playing 'for free' for a part of the year instead of all of it, if they were able to do that before. --Welcome to EVE where 'Commit to Excellence' means trying to squeeze another dime out of the player base.--
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.09 10:54:00 - [143] After thinking about it for a little while I think I see why CCP allows character transfer for PLEX. My hypothesis is that they assume that most hackers would use PLEX to sell the stolen characters instead of just swining a (possibly stolen) credit card. If Character is transferred without paying RL money directly for said character then theoretically CCP can start reversing character transfers done with stolen characters and in turn less people will quit over losing their EVE identity. I think assumption that account hackers will use PLEX instead of credit card for character transfer is reasonable.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.09 11:09:00 - [144] Edited by: Akita T on 09/11/2010 11:12:24 Originally by: PeHD0M Say goodbye to all people, who play EVE using PLEXs, because they will be overpriced, that for sure. Two big things : * once upon a time, 30 days of daytime sold for as little as 120 mil ISK, so going by your interpretation, right now there should be nobody left using PLEX anyway -- reality wants to have a word with you about that -- and besides, I seriously doubt the PLEX prices will be going up in price THAT much long term (as opposed to a short-term spike due to temporary shortage) just because of these things and * by the very definition of it, the vast majority of PLEX items traded in major hubs can't really be "overpriced" at all, since it's precisely the price THOSE are sold at that determines their "fair" value ; all you can have at worst is individual small volume contracts or remote-location sales at "overpriced" prices Sorry, dude, EVE is not dying. At worst, it will have a minor case of the hiccups. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.09 12:16:00 - [145] Edited by: Ishina Fel on 09/11/2010 12:17:37 It will of course not be the end of EVE, but the price of PLEX rising as a result of this is pretty much a given. The price of PLEX lies at the equilibrium point between those people who are willing to inject RL money for ISK, and those who want free game time. Certainly, if you get more ISK per PLEX, more people will be willing to spend RL money to sell them. But this increased supply will never drive the price back down, because the increased supply can only keep existing if the price remains up. The only way this trend would be reversed is a significant enough chunk of the people who play with PLEX qutting or shifting to other methods because they refuse to pay the increased price. However, I believe the largest part of these people - even those who complain publicly - will end up simply working a bit harder to cough up the 50m-100m extra rather than start paying real cash or turn their backs on their biggest addiction. This is the path of least resistance. Thus, I'm pretty sure the price of PLEX will be quickly exceeding 400m ISK once these features are implemented, and stay somewhere above that mark for the foreseeable future. And yes, there will be people quitting EVE over this. But with the price of PLEX going up, CCP sells more GTCs, so it pretty much doesn't matter to CCP at all who quits and who doesn't. Signature? What signature?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.09 12:28:00 - [146] Edited by: Akita T on 09/11/2010 12:29:38 Originally by: Ishina Fel Certainly, if you get more ISK per PLEX, more people will be willing to spend RL money to sell them. Not necessarily certain. If PLEX price goes up, sure, some more people might be tempted to sell some because it makes more sense than grinding for the ISK for them, however, those that usually did purchase PLEX in the past will need less of them overall to fill their ISK need quota, so they'll buy less. Overall, it's extremely difficult to predict how a shift in PLEX price in ISK will affect the supply side. If anything, the most likely scenario is that PLEX creation rates are only weakly correlated with PLEX price in ISK (and certainly nowhere near the "traditional" supply curve)... and same goes for the demand side. Huge swings in ISK price of a PLEX have very little effect on volumes traded. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.11.09 12:54:00 - [147] Originally by: PeHD0M Say goodbye to all people, who play EVE using PLEXs, because they will be overpriced, that for sure. Nothing special, a few hundreds people. They never paid anyway. Right? Speaking as someone who has paid with PLEX since about a month after subscribing to the game (I missed a couple, but that's just life), what you'll find is that as PLEX prices rise higher, the people who pay their accounts with PLEX just find new ways to make more ISK. As for "they never paid anyway" - please remember that PLEX aren't spontaneously created. They represent an amount equivalent to a monthly subscription that someone else has paid to CCP on the PLEX user's behalf. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.09 12:54:00 - [148] Originally by: Akita T Huge swings in ISK price of a PLEX have very little effect on volumes traded. Yeah, that's what I meant with the part where most PLEX 'consumers' would rather spend more than switch to paying money or quitting, even if it's a 'really bad deal' for them and even if they write angry forum posts. After all, real cash has a value, yet ISK is just a part of the game. I am however worried that it might be impacting the enjoyment of the game for them, if they have to spend more of their playing time on just keeping their account alive. I reckon that's where most of the complaints really stem from. People aren't afraid that they might be forced to quit; they're afraid they might be forced to grind. Signature? What signature?
Woodspoon Gallente Nerfherders	Posted - 2010.11.09 13:22:00 - [149] Just signed up for a 2nd account using "the power of 2 PLEX option", anyone got any ideas on how long the petition takes? Previous experiences with petitions have taken quite a while.
Double Dee Perkone	Posted - 2010.11.09 13:39:00 - [150] Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Hello all, Yes, it's a real offer. The more things we add to the game that you can use PLEX for, the demand for them goes up. Thus, making people pay RL money to get said PLEX. You see, by using PLEX like this, we can hide behind it and say it is not micro-transactions. Also be on the look out for us to remove character swap and face redo for RL money because we will be doing it via PLEX only. What you will not realize that the amount of RL money you have to pay for the amount of PLEX to do this, will actually be valued at more RL money than what you are paying for now. Profit!!! We are basically adding options for PLEX wherever we can. Options are a good thing. Right? Fly safe, Zin so glad my bull**** filter is on.

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