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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.11.07 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 07/11/2010 19:05:50
characters bzarr price depend on at least 2 others factors than SP :
* demand on low SP chars (learning char, hulk...), where price are highter than normal
* price of some expensives skills (capitals ships mostly)
by the way you saw ?
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.07 19:48:00 -
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So whats the score with the prices atm ?
I cant get on to check just yet, im guessing they are back down again.
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.07 20:07:00 -
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371 sell atm, the real test will be the week
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Racketeers
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:41:00 -
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dropped to 359-362 jita sell when i was logging off, I was about to post here that bubble just popped, but forgot :)
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Rikki Sals
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:50:00 -
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AKITA T BRINGS THE RAIN!
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Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:00:00 -
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I know someone with about 800 plex outside of the market atm, theres atleast 200 on the market right maybe if you rethink your strategy it would be best for everyone.You are not taking greed into account and trust me theres alot of it in eve.
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:14:00 -
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Back to below normal now, i wonder how many he had to get rid of ?
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Illectroculus Defined
Chooch Inc.
Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:18:00 -
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GIvben the services available we should be aware that there's likely going to be some strong time dependent factors at play:
The Power Of Two offer ends in a week, so there'll be some higher demand for PLEX driven by the deadline.
Then once those Power of 2 accounts start to convert to a conventional subscription there'll be an uptick in demand as pilots transfer the toons to other accounts, either their main or perhaps simply to sell them off.
Finally, the portrait swap isn't going to see any demand for the next couple of months simply because Incursion will make everyone change their portraits anyway.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:26:00 -
[39]
 Originally by: Mike TheMiner
Back to below normal now, i wonder how many he had to get rid of ?
Precisely zero.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:27:00 -
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Akita's advice was reasonable imo. I think he forgot to account for the fact that a LOT of people bought into plex assuming plex for remap would happen though. The downward pressure from people realizing its not going to happen is a lot more relevant than the temporary upward blip from plex from all the other account related stuff they've gone with instead. Oh well, its not like its going to totally collapse so losing 10% or whatever is hardly a big deal.
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Illectroculus Defined
GIvben the services available we should be aware that there's likely going to be some strong time dependent factors at play:
The Power Of Two offer ends in a week, so there'll be some higher demand for PLEX driven by the deadline.
Then once those Power of 2 accounts start to convert to a conventional subscription there'll be an uptick in demand as pilots transfer the toons to other accounts, either their main or perhaps simply to sell them off.
Finally, the portrait swap isn't going to see any demand for the next couple of months simply because Incursion will make everyone change their portraits anyway.
this + plex for remaps.
Making ISK off selling chars isn't as easy to figure out as some of the other gimmes that have been out there (ex, NPC goods before PI).
low end sp char 1.8B - 2.5B (maybe more, maybe less, highly variable)
3 month training - ~5.5M SP
110M for implants (+4s)
25-50M for SB
solve for plex value.
A longer training time, more specialized character, more expensive implants, skill books etc, may yield diff results.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:38:00 -
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Meh, price level seldom ever moves linearly.
Bumps in both upwards and downwards trend are to be always expected.
There was a minor downwards trend since the top of the PLEX-for-remap speculation-driven peak, true.
However, for the entire next week, the demand is real, for stuff you have to use now or lose the occasion to do it for another half year or so (3x PLEX for power of two account). So, for this week, the overall trend should be upwards.
The demand for character transfer purposes (2x PLEX per transfer) should remain in play from now on constantly.
Plus, whenever Incursion actually hits (no idea if or how much it will be delayed) there will be another minor spike when PLEX-for-remap demand starts kicking in.
The only real question is, where will it all settle due to those factors a while after Incursion hits, higher than the pre-patch speculation-driven level a couple of weeks ago, or lower ?
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.11.08 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
whenever Incursion actually hits (no idea if or how much it will be delayed) there will be another minor spike when PLEX-for-remap demand starts kicking in
Don't you expect more newbie players to get attracted by CCP Incursion marketing efforts?
Don't you expect them to feed PLEX into the system?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.08 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Don't you expect more newbie players to get attracted by CCP Incursion marketing efforts?
Not really. Not for Incursion.
Incarna, though, yeah.
But that's half a year away at least.
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enterprisePSI
Gallente
Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:33:00 -
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Akita T your my hero  Made 1.86bil 
Tears, or the titan dies!
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.11.08 09:52:00 -
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Prices seem to be spooling down regardless and there seem to be some effort at propping it up. A week is barely time enough for speculators to get rid of their stocks and the peak just passed. Gambling for another peak? Not likely imo, with an expansion just around the corner. |
oogs
Gallente
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2010.11.08 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: oogs on 08/11/2010 14:23:50
This works.
SS of GM reply
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.11.08 19:44:00 -
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got a new pick at the same price as yerterday some hours ago and i sold half my stock.
waiting a bit more to see how the rest will move
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Racketeers
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Posted - 2010.11.08 21:18:00 -
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got another idea
get new account = 3x plex
move your main to that account = 2 plex
you get one month free IF you are using PLEXes for your main
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:02:00 -
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Personally I just pay for my alt account with money. Prices spiraling out of control convinced me to stop paying with GTC's back when they were under 400mil for a GTC... let alone a damn plex. Given the amt of time required to make 400 million isk vs the time it takes me to make $15 it's colossally stupid to pay for the game with plex/gtc's anymore.
I prefer to spend my time in game doing things I enjoy rather than grinding for isk to pay for the game with. That said, for those speculating on the plex market.... more power to ya.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
Given the amt of time required to make 400 million isk vs the time it takes me to make $15 it's colossally stupid to pay for the game with plex/gtc's anymore.
This really. I have yet to make the almost 400 mil per hour in game compared to $15 IRL.
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I prefer to spend my time in game doing things I enjoy rather than grinding for isk to pay for the game with.
WAIT!! People actually play EVE?? Now I feel bad for using it as a glorified IRC client 
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.09 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 09/11/2010 00:13:41
Originally by: Taram Caldar
That said, for those speculating on the plex market.... more power to ya.
Originally by: oogs
This works. SS of GM reply
Hey, now you got confirmation in the forums too :
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Hello all,
Yes, it's a real offer. No, it wasn't planned this way in advance. It was a good idea half way through the Power of 2 offer. "You know, some folks may not have extra money lying around in RL but they do have lots of wealth in-game. I'll bet some of them might go for this." And then we just quickly put together an offer.
The development team who builds offers works in planned two-week sprints so we can't just walk in and ask them for a "buy with PLEX" button. But we got the Customer Service GMs to agree to help out so that's why it's by petition.
The character transfer and the portrait swap have been in planning and on a list for a long, long time. Since before I came to CCP, I'm pretty sure.
What's the next thing to be available for purchase by PLEX? That's easy. Fanfest tickets will be available for sale very soon and PLEX will be one of the options.
We are basically adding options wherever we can. Options are a good thing.
Fly safe,
Zin
Let me repeat that...
"Fanfest tickets will be available for sale very soon and PLEX will be one of the options."
They've done the same thing for last fanfest, so no surprises there, the only mild news is when tickets will start being sold
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.09 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul
How about spending your real life time in real job and then just paying your account instead of wasting your life on farming ISK so you could waste your life in internetspaceshipgame? 
I'm one of those weird people that enjoy spending time making money. I actually have fun playing the market, watching for trends, and profiting on it. Just like some people enjoy shooting, some people enjoy scamming, some people enjoy spinning and some people enjoy verbs which start with letters other than s. I, for some reason, enjoy selling.
I also enjoy manufacturing, but I think I enjoy selling my final product for a fair price more than the actual manufacturing process. And while I am still new, and my total net worth isn't even more than a few billion isk, my daily profit is growing while my in-game trade time remains low. If I can continue the profit trend I've been experiencing, eventually I will be at the point where I can sneeze and wipe my nose with a PLEX and still only be spending 10-20 minutes a day on my trade alt.
You have fun blowing up people/being blown up by people while I have fun selling things to those being blown up. We both define "fun" differently, and my "fun" just so happens to enable me to buy PLEX with ingame cash while yours almost requires you to buy PLEX with real life cash.
It seems as if the two careers are more intertwined that your realize, as if people like me didn't exist, your RL for PLEX wouldn't be nearly as profitable. So I say to you good sir, if you are a person who buy PLEX for RL money, you really shouldn't knock people who choose to buy PLEX for in game money. Our lives are intertwined via PLEX more than you realize.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.09 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Meh, price level seldom ever moves linearly.
Bumps in both upwards and downwards trend are to be always expected.
I'm probably already telling you things you already know, but this is how I see it.
In my experience MMO markets travel sinusoidally added to a very low slope of inflation. This is an over exaggerated, and overly simplistic way to view the market trend of any item. It has its ups, and downs, and a slow but steady gain.
Then there are usually lower-magnitude higher-frequency sinusoidal functions added to the previous function, which usually occur because of weekday vs weekend trends. This is usually what they look like
In the example above I set the rate of inflation way too high, as well as I've set the magnitude of the base market too high and the frequency of weekday-weekend values too small as well. This was done to make the graph much easier to read rather than be realistic.
My trick that I've used in the past was to find out the exact rate of inflation by following the average costs of multiple extremely popular (thus stable) items, and then watch for peaks and valleys. After some time of collecting data I can determine what the average baseline should be for each date, and then determine if I'm in a peak or valley, as well as figure out the rate of inflation. At that point I can then start making some serious money by stockpiling items at their lows, and then slowly releasing into the market at their highs. It takes time to build up to this point, and it can be risky as hell, but more often than not, it pays off greatly.
However, with the new expansion coming out, this throws another monkey wrench into the calculations. If I weren't so new, I'd probably have a good idea of items to buy which will inflate greatly post expansion. Unfortunately I am new, and unwilling to risk more than a few hundred million of liquid on some risky investments. Still, this does look like it'll be a fun time for me to play with my knowledge of markets as it seems many items will be change in value, thus there will be chaos before they settle on the appropriate pricing. Hopefully I'll have a sharp enough eye to figure out these items and adjust my prices accordingly.
Regardless, I know I'll have some fun for the next few months watching (and profiting from) the market's reaction to the expansion. :D
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.11.09 11:19:00 -
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its true that these graph seems pretty common with most of eve's items on market :)
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Sha Kharn
Minmatar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.09 17:32:00 -
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Wait a sec... so soon i will beable to go to Iceland for a few days brake for isk?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.09 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 09/11/2010 17:54:02
Originally by: Sha Kharn
Wait a sec... so soon i will beable to go to Iceland for a few days brake for isk?
The attendance to the fanfest, and only that can be paid via PLEX.
The transportation, housing and food/drinks outside of the fanfest venues however, all of that you have to pay out of your pocket with RL cash.
So, out of maybe 600-1000$ you'll spend total (plane ticket being the largest contributor), you'll be able to save 100$ or so (or whatever entry to fanfest costs otherwise) by using some PLEX instead, but you'll still have to shell out 500-900$ or thereabouts for everything else.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.11.09 17:58:00 -
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i have looked closely at price since the begining of this thread, and seems every few hours we see price raising and lowering a lot.
seems after sell and buy converge a new pike of buy orders appears.
you think we will go reach 400m on the next days before the end of power of two ?
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.09 18:10:00 -
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its a wild ride, that's for sure... right now my decision to dump tech and buy plexes with the money is paying out considering the way both are headed
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.09 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: volhar
its a wild ride, that's for sure... right now my decision to dump tech and buy plexes with the money is paying out considering the way both are headed
What makes you think those two trends are unrelated ?
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