I didn't wrote them down myselfs too, but yes, Mackinaw got another nerf with todays patch.

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )

Well Richard, to let me make it clear, the Miner Asked since years and days for a overhaul from the Mining barges which was allready overdue to the plain fact, Other ships ( Combat ships especially Destroyers ) got rebalanced allready in a way so they are more effective also weapons as well, but Mining ships and other industrials are stagnant since years.

So CCP brougth finally the changes, but after the big Whinning occoured on the Forums by the Gankers they quickly turned around and mostly weakened their first changes to the current level as i allready said, a level which is regarding to Hulk and Mack just laughable and more a nerf then a buff.

Anyways, i'm outta here and let you brickheads continue your flaming.

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )

The rigs are a big part of the tank. So if you mine Ice, you replace a tank rig with an Ice rig.

I found where I posted the original SiSi Mack #'s I got : here. The CPU/cap are unchanged so I can't easily build a better tank. The base stats are nerfed.

Basically, when I first tested, the EHP was 48K to 53K depending on toon/skills (fleeted without Orca).

Right now n SiSi, the same fleet gets 32K - 33K with same toons/loadouts, no Orca buffs. And only 30K if not fleeted. So much for "solo" mining. 30K EHP is relatively cheap to gank, although maybe not a single destroyer.

Sheetyeah - major nerf for miners ... before it ever made it to TQ. We all expected the Hulk to continue to be a paper tank, but they said that. For the Mack the key word was "solo". Well, not really with only a 29K-30K tank.

I guess it's disappointing because if this were really "balancing", they'd let us test things out for a while on TQ. If it was found to be truly unbalanced on TQ, THEN make the adjustments. And CCP even said : suicide ganking was never intended to be a profitable mini profession, which was one of the major reasons for the balancing changes.

Let's wait and see how well the new Mack holds up on TQ. My corp's mining fleet will be available right after the patch on Wednesday if any gankers want to take a shot at us. I'll post any results. I think it's gonna be Macks 4TW.

As for the hulk, I don't think I'll ever fly one again, even in a fleet. They are still wildly under-tanked and now, very inconvenient to use. Hulks :: 4TL.

Working as intended. Want the best tank? get a skiff.

Sorry for posting back2back.

There is another issue with Macks. The rigs are a big part of the tank. So if you mine Ice, you replace a tank rig with an Ice rig. So mining ice in the current revision of the Mack is a dangerous buisiness. Ice Macks are not for the solo miner as the new ship role is supposed to be. Only way I can see to make survivable solo, is to fleet them up... Yah, incompatible with defined role...

Actually not working as intended per the original dev blog which said they were under tanked and that they were going to make it so that it wasn't so easy to suicide them.

still too easy to suicide them.

FYI, 30k tank = at least 3 t2 tornados, something that never happens.

The Mack actually blows for yield due to CPU constraints = limited MLU's. In fact, one MLU wipes out a significant qty of EHP due again to CPU constraints, not the loss of a low slot.

So miners get huge HP buff yet are stll crying and losing faith in ccp. Interesting... it's like that manifesto writing guy was right all along

So miners get huge HP buff yet are stll crying and losing faith in ccp. Interesting... it's like that manifesto writing guy was right all along

If the 30k number is correct then only the Skiff/Proc got any real buff as the Mack just got a portion of the hulks old role with the same tank.

Close your account, un-install the client, and take your unending putrid whining elsewhere.

2/10.

Next!

2/10 huh.

Does it really deserve such a low score?

Actually, I was feeling generous only on account of all the responses:

No style, less originality, too overtly whiny.

Isn't mack for the big ore hold, while skiff is for tank?

That makes sense then.

posting in a stealth eve is dying thread

Heh. So it sounds like the balancing threw choices back at the miners...

And they took the yield.