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000Hunter000
Gallente Industrial Exploits
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:19:00 -
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Well atleast there is no real reason for people to engage in RMT anymore.
Just buy a few plexes and ur good to go... ________________________________________________
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:22:00 -
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Trader manipulation may be a significant part of the current PLEX prices but remember where those PLEX come from in the first place. $15 is becoming less and less spare the world over and therefore there are less PLEX entering the system while the people who need them are (at least) remaining constant. Not to mention that, as the use of that $15 becomes more significant in the lives of those spending it, the initial sellers are feeling a greater need for value for their money. At 300 million ISK per PLEX they were getting 20 million ISK to the dollar (not counting shipping and handling, and for those outside the US - customs charges), when prices hit 360 million ISK they were getting 24 million to the dollar... What can you buy for 4 million? Well it isn't even 1 L4 mission, effectively they're paying $3 to avoid having to run a mission... as times grow tighter more and more people are simply going to be running those extra missions unless their value for money improves. --
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Also, 388 / (5 nights a week * 4 weeks a month * 3 hours a night = 60 hours) = just shy of 6.5m ISK/hr. You should look for another profession.
You do realise that a normal week is just 40 hours of work (5*8) so spending 60hours/month for a game isn't exactly feasible for many of us. But I agree in that if you do just 3,5mil per hour should do something else to get ISK. I earn about 15-20mil per mission at tops (from bounties and mission rewards only), this one mission takes me about an hour tops so essentially it still takes some 10-15 hours to get enough ISK for a plex which is still definitely better then spending 60hours.
If we compare this situation to RL you get about 15Ç as abase (assuming you have decent job and not sweatshop/manual labour hell hole. Which would net you a full month of game time for 1 hour at work or 3 hours if you pay for all 3 accounts or less for working overtime.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:38:00 -
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POOR PEOPLE IN MY EVE?
IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN YOU THINK!
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Tijai Betula
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:48:00 -
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So in effect, cutting out all the bull****...
Looks like Eve is turning into one of those Asian 'pay to level' mmos.
Shame really.
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Fat Willy
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:51:00 -
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We're about due for a PLEX nerf anyway.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tijai Betula Looks like Eve is turning into one of those Asian 'pay to level' mmos.
How so? Looks more like EVE is turning into one of those "pay your subscription to subscribe" gamesà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Aelius
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Aelius 100M nowadays are worth less than 100M 7 years ago, and 100M 3 years from now will worth less than 100M today.
How much is a battleship compared to this time last year? CCP has deflated the economy by removing insurance fraud. 100 mill goes a lot further today then it did a year ago.
Yeah but that was a fluke, the overall tendency is what matters. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines |
Vicious Cell
Amarr Rage Orbital Construction Associates Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back.
Amen, brother.
There are three kinds of people in this thread:
1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time.
2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk.
3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had.
My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it.
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XEcuTioneRUK
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: XEcuTioneRUK on 11/11/2010 13:15:44
Originally by: Tijai Betula So in effect, cutting out all the bull****...
Looks like Eve is turning into one of those Asian 'pay to level' mmos.
Shame really.
These are my feelings too! Are CCP creating all the PLEX additions to drive prices up in game and to drive out PLEX alts? This would co-incide with the release of Power of 2 which encourages players to pay for 2 acc's, 'YES a great deal don't get me wrong' but are their intentions to make game 'pay only' and nerf the in-game PLEX'er alts?
OR is it (like said above) Traders taking advantage of others for their own greed which in turn just spoils the game for MANY, but they don't GAF coz they only see ching ching in their wallet and fail to see the big picture!!
For those that comment about this: YES i do agree with: prices go up, things move along, things change and the charity PLEX's etc etc are boosting prices up, BUT people need to stand up for their rights, its how we live in a democratic society and NOT dictatorship, we are entitled to SHOUT if something isn't right and you are being short changed!
EDIT: Typo
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XEcuTioneRUK
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Cell
Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back.
Amen, brother.
There are three kinds of people in this thread:
1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time.
2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk.
3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had.
My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it.
+1 (GEEZ someone that gets it)
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:20:00 -
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Considering that this is not just Internetspaceshipssrsbznz, but also Capitalism/Excel/Spreadsheets online, the OP said it in the first post:
Quote: PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!!
Now, there's no reason for quoting Gordon Gecko here, but the fact remains that there is obviously a high demand, or at least a perceived high demand, for PLEX. This means that people will try to profit from it.
If less people start seeing PLEX as a viable payment option, the demand will go down. Thus, the market speculators will be sitting with a large stock that they will need to lower the price on.
Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 11/11/2010 13:34:29
Originally by: Sentinel Epsilon
Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK
Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this...
If you cannot afford the small monthly subscription, leaving the game and focusing on your real life may be for the best.
Dont really aggree to this, not everyone needs or wants to get a job. The real problem is if you dont have a job, and you play eve all the time, and you still cant make 400 million ISK , then i feel sorry for you, it takes like one days play to earn that much. Also the traders are the last people you should blame, if you do need to blame someone its more CCPs fault tofr allowing plex on the merket in the first place.
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Virtuozzo
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:37:00 -
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Don't worry, we'll get them over 400m, given time and added features tied to Plex well over 500m.
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thelung187
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Cell
Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back.
Amen, brother.
There are three kinds of people in this thread:
1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time.
2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk.
3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had.
My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it.
You're forgetting:
4) People who don't really care about the price of PLEX because paying real-life cash for account(s) is just easier. 5) People who moderately care about the price of PLEX from a profit-generating perspective, but who also pay RL cash for accounts because it is, indeed, still easier.
The distinction is important, because #4 is oblivious to the PLEX market, while #5 will exert some influence over market factors.
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Khorian
Gallente Versatech Co. Blade.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:51:00 -
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Why is OP complaining about his friends not being able to afford buying PLEX anymore. That means, that there is less demand wich means the prices will fall, the harder it gets to sell PLEX due to less demand.
REJOICE!
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: Vicious Cell
Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back.
Amen, brother.
There are three kinds of people in this thread:
1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time.
2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk.
3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had.
My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it.
You're forgetting:
4) People who don't really care about the price of PLEX because paying real-life cash for account(s) is just easier. 5) People who moderately care about the price of PLEX from a profit-generating perspective, but who also pay RL cash for accounts because it is, indeed, still easier.
The distinction is important, because #4 is oblivious to the PLEX market, while #5 will exert some influence over market factors.
Both posts crappy sweeping generalizations, the distinction is not important as there are many more groups of people than your pigeonholes. The only three groups you can make with certainty are : Those happy Those miffed off and those that dont care.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/11/2010 13:56:26
Originally by: Brian Ballsack The only three groups you can make with certainty are : Those happy Those miffed off and those that dont care.
Then there's me!
I am really happy Because your all miffed off But over all I don't Care
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:05:00 -
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If you don't enjoy farming the isk to pay for plex and it takes more than a couple of hours to do so, maybe you should consider flipping burgers to solve your problem instead.
That minimalises your time spent doing something you don't enjoy.
If you do enjoy farming isk to pay for game time - then sit back & relax.
Plex prices are rising because demand has increased.
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xavier69
Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:35:00 -
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Really though all you clowns telling OP to get a better job ROFL
I'm a share point admin and take home over 3k every two weeks after taxes and still would rather not pay for this game
I think the insanely slow skill up times make it not worth paying RL cash for who the hell wants to wait 18 days to learn cruise missile V and pay for it too? when learning an 18 day skill sometimes i go 7 to 10 days with out even logging in ROFL you expect me to pay for that ?
This Game has FTP written all over IT
Exactly Plex prices where screwed by CCP Doing their Plex Charity drives and by making plex a Pew pew able item over all it goes back to a standard
IF IT ANT BROKE DONT FIX IT ccp should live that by that model in the future
PS: prior to PI i could run 4 pos and make enough money to have 2 accounts and lots of extra left over now i am doing level 4 to keep one account active the reality is i am not paying 15 dollars a month to run a stop watch ROFL
And if my example is correct ccp is losing money due to their foolish changes
Where the fuk is in incursion? ThatÆs the only chance I have to resubing my second account if pi is fixed so I can run my poses again
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:42:00 -
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lol op u mad
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thelung187
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: xavier69 Really though all you clowns telling OP to get a better job ROFL
I'm a share point admin and take home over 3k every two weeks after taxes and still would rather not pay for this game
I think the insanely slow skill up times make it not worth paying RL cash for who the hell wants to wait 18 days to learn cruise missile V and pay for it too? when learning an 18 day skill sometimes i go 7 to 10 days with out even logging in ROFL you expect me to pay for that ?
This Game has FTP written all over IT
Exactly Plex prices where screwed by CCP Doing their Plex Charity drives and by making plex a Pew pew able item over all it goes back to a standard
IF IT ANT BROKE DONT FIX IT ccp should live that by that model in the future
PS: prior to PI i could run 4 pos and make enough money to have 2 accounts and lots of extra left over now i am doing level 4 to keep one account active the reality is i am not paying 15 dollars a month to run a stop watch ROFL
And if my example is correct ccp is losing money due to their foolish changes
Where the fuk is in incursion? ThatÆs the only chance I have to resubing my second account if pi is fixed so I can run my poses again
Your writing abilities and abysmal grammar make me highly doubt you're pulling $100k a year as a "share point admin."
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 11/11/2010 14:46:17
Originally by: xavier69 who the hell wants to wait 18 days to learn cruise missile V and pay for it too?
You're not paying for Cruise Missile V, though, and no-one is forcing you to wait and thus forfeit what you are paying for. Those are you choices, and you have no-one but yourself to blame for making choices you don't want to pay for. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: xavier69 Really though all you clowns telling OP to get a better job ROFL I'm a share point admin and take home over 3k every two weeks after taxes and still would rather not pay for this game
The level of your income is irrelevant to the preference of not paying cash for entertainment, there is no single sane person that wouldn't rather get something at no charge than pay for it. The level of income however IS relevant to the ability to pay cash for it if necessary.
Quote: when learning an 18 day skill sometimes i go 7 to 10 days with out even logging in ROFL you expect me to pay for that ?
Then may I ask, why do you bother playing at all ? Why were you playing before starting that skill level ? How does having that skill level in training stop you from playing for whatever it was you were playing before ? What's the magic improvement afterwards that all of a sudden makes the game worth playing again ?
Quote: And if my example is correct ccp is losing money due to their foolish changes
I seriously doubt CCP would be losing money even if your example was correct, which it wasn't.
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Eleknar
Eleknar PMC
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:00:00 -
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CCP will not, and should not, step in and do ANYTHING with the market. EVE's economy is very complex and in many ways mirrors many real-life free-trade economies. Prices will go up with demand and will drop as demand drops. Market fluctuation is completely normal. PLEX prices are indeed quite high right now and, as you stated, most people cannot afford PLEX at their current prices. Well, if this is the case, then the high-priced PLEX will not sell which will force PLEX sellers to reduce prices so that folks will buy them again. Prices will normalize, it just takes time. But to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous. --------------------- So I just touched some clothes at Goodwill, then rubbed my eye. Am I going to get pregnant? 'Cause I can NOT get pregnant right now!! ~ Mike Ferguson |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Eleknar to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous.
That's what a huge chunk of RL government-related protests are all about _
Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Ingole
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ingole on 11/11/2010 15:09:56
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Eleknar to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous.
That's what a huge chunk of RL government-related protests are all about
Yeah, I was thinking about that while I was typing it out. But in all honesty it's just stupid. CCP is perfectly fine with allowing a person to make their way up the corp ladder, steal all of their corp's/stuff, and simply walk away without consequence. Considering this it just seems ridiculous for the OP to think that CCP would even consider stepping in to reduce PLEX prices. What's next? Asking CCP to reduce BC and BS prices so that under-skilled newer players can afford to pilot one as soon as they have minimal skills, even though they're still running lvl 1s?
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True Sight
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL
This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!!
PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell!
YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!!
Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro!
Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account!
THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!!
Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS!
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:14:00 -
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Check out my prediction lol!
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Aelius 100M nowadays are worth less than 100M 7 years ago, and 100M 3 years from now will worth less than 100M today.
How much is a battleship compared to this time last year? CCP has deflated the economy by removing insurance fraud. 100 mill goes a lot further today then it did a year ago.
There is only one limited resource in Eve. That resource is Time. How many more battle ships can you afford to loose now for your time grinding ISK to get them?
More battle ships, for the same grind time, battle ships are worth less measured against Time. And, measured against PLEX, time 'comoditized' to an in game item, ISK is worth less too.
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