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XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 09:57:00 - [1] What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!! PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell! YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!! Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro! Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!! Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS!
Doug Garvin	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:02:00 - [2] PLEX has been on the rise from the start of the PLEX charity program. Speculators purchased most of the PLEX 2 days before the program started and have been jacking prices. Seems they had inside information!!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:03:00 - [3] Blame CCP for piling a ton of functionality onto PLEXes that have nothing to do with either ISK or subscription time, thus creating a much greater demand for them and far more reason to speculate on increased prices. The market is just doing what it should be doing; CCP are the ones who give the inputs to the market. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Sentinel Epsilon	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:05:00 - [4] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this... If you cannot afford the small monthly subscription, leaving the game and focusing on your real life may be for the best.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:07:00 - [5] Confirming that market forces are excellent lol-generators. How about you place buy orders at the price you would like to pay for a plex. If you can't find one at a price you don't want to pay, nobody will force you to do so. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:11:00 - [6] Oh the unimaginable horror. Altaholics might be forced to play on fewer accounts than before. Surely EVE will be dying soonÖ.
RutilusUnus	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:12:00 - [7] Edited by: RutilusUnus on 11/11/2010 10:14:34 Edited by: RutilusUnus on 11/11/2010 10:12:50 Don't yell at traders. They are doing exactly what they do for any other item that they trade. CCP are the ones that have caused the major change in plex prices due to the increased uses for them. You can get 1 month of game time, sell it on the market, use it to change your character portrait, swap a character, start the power of 2 deal (although I think this must be done through a gm), and the supposed ability to use a plex for a neural remap. All these factors have led to plex prices going up. Give it some time though and prices will go down some since people will be able to get more isk for each plex, so they will probably buy more GTC and drive prices down. But yeah, the days of 265mil plex are probably long gone. Edit: Grammar stuffz
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:13:00 - [8] You won't be missed! As for the whole Macro freak out. I pay in cash, don't buy plex and don't have or want alts. If financial troubles means you can not afford $15 why are you spending all this time grinding ISK when you should be grinding Cash to be able to afford the game. Or maybe don't grind level 4's and do something profitable like exploration in Wormholes or Null Space. Though I might buy plex cheaper and Jack Up the price. Thanks for the awsome market tip bud. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Khanaris Asgarth Eternium Industries	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Sentinel Epsilon Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this... If you cannot afford the small monthly subscription, leaving the game and focusing on your real life may be for the best. This most definitely.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia Blame CCP for piling a ton of functionality onto PLEXes that have nothing to do with either ISK or subscription time, thus creating a much greater demand for them and far more reason to speculate on increased prices. The market is just doing what it should be doing; CCP are the ones who give the inputs to the market. This. Also, 388 / (5 nights a week * 4 weeks a month * 3 hours a night = 60 hours) = just shy of 6.5m ISK/hr. You should look for another profession.
OPX2	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:20:00 - [11] Dont feed the troll
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:21:00 - [12] Edited by: Aloe Cloveris on 11/11/2010 10:21:23 FanFest, brah (among other things). 400M+ for a PLEX isn't unprecedented. Also, just speculating here, but in the rush by vets to get into supercarriers once they were tweaked to become unkillable solopwnmobiles, there was probably quite a bit of timecarding by individuals to fund their purchases ... which, in turn, likely kept the price competitive and low. Now prices are stabilizing again. In the two years I've been playing, the average price of a PLEX was about the same as it is now (~350M). Now there's not as many timecards on the market. And people are likely both hoarding them in anticipation of increased demand once PLEX-for-remap goes live, as well as the Fanfest event which the airfare and accomodations can be paid for almost fully with in-game money (by buying PLEXes on market), so people with lots of e-money are competing with one another on the market to pay for a cool "free" vacation in Iceland. The price will go over 400M again ... and then below 300M ... and then, over time, stabilize back in the low 300Ms. That's the trend I've seen over my short career, at least. idk lol v0v fart
BLACK D0G	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:22:00 - [13] now I remember when you could buy 90 days gametime for 300m. Back then we used to have to walk to school through 4 miles of snow with clown shoes on, and we occasionally had to pick the moss off the brickwork outside to boil for our dinner. times change. I wouldnt be at all surprised to see a 500m 30 day PLEX at some point in the fairly near future. Now a lot of this is probably speculation but it is fairly intelligent speculation: PLEX for fanfest, charity appeals, portrait switches, power of 2, character transfer, remap: these are all recent additions on top of the use of PLEX to pay for accounts. An intelligent person can only see one result from this: PLEX price goes up. the bottom line is you either pay the going rate for PLEX, you start finding another way to pay for EvE, or you quit. ps. if this is someones market manipulation enhancing thread well played
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:28:00 - [14] Originally by: BLACK D0G now I remember when you could buy 90 days gametime for 300m. Back then we used to have to walk to school through 4 miles of snow with clown shoes on, and we occasionally had to pick the moss off the brickwork outside to boil for our dinner. AND WE LIKED IT! I think I've paid 180m for 30 days quite a few times. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:30:00 - [15] OH heavens... this again... The market fluctuates over time. On the GTC's board, I've seen 60 day GTC's going from as low as the high 400mil's to as high as 800mil's (and I haven't been following it a lot lately). One day people literally stopped posting their, WTS 60day GTC's x5 Online nao secure only! - threads and collectively went bat**** over the high prices. The market corrected, plex prices went back down, which affected the GTC prices and they were thus deflated. It's cyclical. Don't like the prices now? Wait a tic, it'll change. :) "Zion's Child -"I'm glad this forum is filled with idiots. It just wouldn't be any fun without people like Blane, Zedic, Surf and Jago. Your antics are what make OOPE such a joy to come to."
Neyem Praetorius	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:39:00 - [16] Curse those silly laws of supply and demand. And 60 hours for 400 mil? serious? Even a lower-end mission runner in highsec shouldn't take more than 16, and higher end professions would be 3-8.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:40:00 - [17] They might stay up because of PLEX for Power of 2, PlEX for Fanfest and because of remnants of PLEX for charity
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:55:00 - [18] Edited by: XEcuTioneRUK on 11/11/2010 10:56:56 Originally by: chatgris Also, 388 / (5 nights a week * 4 weeks a month * 3 hours a night = 60 hours) = just shy of 6.5m ISK/hr. You should look for another profession. Yes for x2 accounts this leaves me short! I know, the Macro attack was uneeded really, but this was just added after reading lots of similar topics and seeing the replies! Unfortunately funds are a little sparse at present with house to pay for and fuel + 2 hungry kids to feed, not to mention the spurt of birthdays that are spread out over the last 2 months and oh god christmas around the corner, after working my butt off to pay for all this I enjoy sitting down in the evening and playing EVE with you guys, its like my 2nd life and without it I would be lost, "god the thought of not having EVE to play in the evening to relax is unthinkable" some of you must be able to relate to that!! Simply I am not currently in the position to pay 15EURO (SAME AS ú) a month for EVE, so have to grind lvl 4's to get PLEX to be able to, the jump in prices is just insane and was just a whine at CCP mainly for spoiling it for players. Yes it was a 'feed the trolls' post I know and I ask for the dumb replies I get.. so fire away with them, I just wanted to air my thoughts on PLEX price increase. EDIT: Typo

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:55:00 - [19] At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Sentinel Epsilon Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this... If you cannot afford the small monthly subscription, leaving the game and focusing on your real life may be for the best. Exactly the comments I was referring to ...GFYS! Originally by: Illwill Bill Confirming that market forces are excellent lol-generators. How about you place buy orders at the price you would like to pay for a plex. If you can't find one at a price you don't want to pay, nobody will force you to do so. Yes 16 jumps out at mo doing exactly that, but not many sellers and demand is high so u need to sit there and 1 isk every 3-5mins which is very frustrating 3hrs later!
Frecator Dementa 4 Inches Of PAIN	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:12:00 - [21] Set up buy orders in remote regions 270m for a PLEX
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:12:00 - [22] Don't worry, soon Eve will cost less than a loaf of bread. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:14:00 - [23] You could always use daddy's credit card to, I don't know, PAY to play this game?
Dlardrageth ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:16:00 - [24] Need higher PLEX prices tbh. If that means even more people quitting --> less people playing --> less lag --> Win for the remaining!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Don't worry, soon Eve will cost less than a loaf of bread. Yes, but that's just because the farmers (the real ones, I mean, as in wheat and milk and all that) are getting uppety about how much they should earn in a dayà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Tippia Yes, but that's just because the farmers (the real ones, I mean, as in wheat and milk and all that) are getting uppety about how much they should earn in a dayà We'll never monitize the debt! Hey let's monitize the debt! The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:31:00 - [27] This is only normal. Since isk value is always going down as more people get more of it. 100M nowadays are worth less than 100M 7 years ago, and 100M 3 years from now will worth less than 100M today. So its only logic that a fix RL money commodity like the plex (worth 15 euros) will keep on price rising in EVE isks. If you add to that the increasing "useful value" of plexs, they will rise even more. When prices go high enough players will stop buying them in EVE simply because it will be too much isk grinding to actually have fun playing, then the prices will fall back. Some will stop playing, others will change to subscription, but either way prices will stabilize. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Dlardrageth Need higher PLEX prices tbh. If that means even more people quitting --> less people playing --> less lag --> Win for the remaining! I wont be quitting EVE on my main acc, but my salvy alt would have to be rested if PLEX increases more, yes lag would be less which would be of benefit to us all. BUT in turn would have after affects such as: Less players meaning less purchases of all items Less PLEX bought for alts Will take more time to do missions and salvage them meaning less salvage to sell daily which would mean less people making rigs and making profit from the alts that speed up salvaging. Less mining haulers (orca alts) less ores = less minerals, prices go up on everything (which might not be a bad thing actually!) It just affects things on a larger scale when less people are playing the game 'when you do the maths' Quote: Win for the remaining! would be the opposite really, less people to kill less ISK, Less fun, you would soon get bored TBO Why dont CCP sell the PLEX in certain stations at the correct market value which would save a whole lot of trouble!? they can then control the inflation inline with their monthly subs. More for the trrolls
Merasa Tro	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:38:00 - [29] While it is the market just doing what markets do, I do actually like my corp/alliance mates to play the game. That was my concern with the first changes to PLEX for remaps. If my opinion is even worth 2cent, there should be something else for the 'not-a-microtransaction-transaction', and something for the play-to-pay transaction. That way they get to still have the headline grabbing PCUs and subscribers. As well as more income from those that want their shiny things faster. Need some thought on how to do it, but its not quite right at the moment. IMHO, IANAL, FWIW, etc etc
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Aelius 100M nowadays are worth less than 100M 7 years ago, and 100M 3 years from now will worth less than 100M today. How much is a battleship compared to this time last year? CCP has deflated the economy by removing insurance fraud. 100 mill goes a lot further today then it did a year ago.
000Hunter000 Gallente Industrial Exploits	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:19:00 - [31] Well atleast there is no real reason for people to engage in RMT anymore. Just buy a few plexes and ur good to go... ________________________________________________
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:22:00 - [32] Trader manipulation may be a significant part of the current PLEX prices but remember where those PLEX come from in the first place. $15 is becoming less and less spare the world over and therefore there are less PLEX entering the system while the people who need them are (at least) remaining constant. Not to mention that, as the use of that $15 becomes more significant in the lives of those spending it, the initial sellers are feeling a greater need for value for their money. At 300 million ISK per PLEX they were getting 20 million ISK to the dollar (not counting shipping and handling, and for those outside the US - customs charges), when prices hit 360 million ISK they were getting 24 million to the dollar... What can you buy for 4 million? Well it isn't even 1 L4 mission, effectively they're paying $3 to avoid having to run a mission... as times grow tighter more and more people are simply going to be running those extra missions unless their value for money improves. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:29:00 - [33] Originally by: chatgris Also, 388 / (5 nights a week * 4 weeks a month * 3 hours a night = 60 hours) = just shy of 6.5m ISK/hr. You should look for another profession. You do realise that a normal week is just 40 hours of work (5*8) so spending 60hours/month for a game isn't exactly feasible for many of us. But I agree in that if you do just 3,5mil per hour should do something else to get ISK. I earn about 15-20mil per mission at tops (from bounties and mission rewards only), this one mission takes me about an hour tops so essentially it still takes some 10-15 hours to get enough ISK for a plex which is still definitely better then spending 60hours. If we compare this situation to RL you get about 15Ç as abase (assuming you have decent job and not sweatshop/manual labour hell hole. Which would net you a full month of game time for 1 hour at work or 3 hours if you pay for all 3 accounts or less for working overtime. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:38:00 - [34] POOR PEOPLE IN MY EVE? IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN YOU THINK! Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Tijai Betula	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:48:00 - [35] So in effect, cutting out all the bull****... Looks like Eve is turning into one of those Asian 'pay to level' mmos. Shame really.
Fat Willy	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:51:00 - [36] We're about due for a PLEX nerf anyway.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Tijai Betula Looks like Eve is turning into one of those Asian 'pay to level' mmos. How so? Looks more like EVE is turning into one of those "pay your subscription to subscribe" gamesà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Aelius 100M nowadays are worth less than 100M 7 years ago, and 100M 3 years from now will worth less than 100M today. How much is a battleship compared to this time last year? CCP has deflated the economy by removing insurance fraud. 100 mill goes a lot further today then it did a year ago. Yeah but that was a fluke, the overall tendency is what matters. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Vicious Cell Amarr Rage Orbital Construction Associates Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back. Amen, brother. There are three kinds of people in this thread: 1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time. 2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk. 3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had. My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it.
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:08:00 - [40] Edited by: XEcuTioneRUK on 11/11/2010 13:15:44 Originally by: Tijai Betula So in effect, cutting out all the bull***... Looks like Eve is turning into one of those Asian 'pay to level' mmos. Shame really. These are my feelings too! Are CCP creating all the PLEX additions to drive prices up in game and to drive out PLEX alts? This would co-incide with the release of Power of 2 which encourages players to pay for 2 acc's, 'YES a great deal don't get me wrong' but are their intentions to make game 'pay only' and nerf the in-game PLEX'er alts? OR is it (like said above) Traders taking advantage of others for their own greed which in turn just spoils the game for MANY, but they don't GAF coz they only see ching ching in their wallet and fail to see the big picture!! For those that comment about this:* YES i do agree with: prices go up, things move along, things change and the charity PLEX's etc etc are boosting prices up, BUT people need to stand up for their rights, its how we live in a democratic society and NOT dictatorship, we are entitled to SHOUT if something isn't right and you are being short changed! EDIT: Typo
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Vicious Cell Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back. Amen, brother. There are three kinds of people in this thread: 1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time. 2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk. 3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had. My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it. +1 (GEEZ someone that gets it)
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:20:00 - [42] Considering that this is not just Internetspaceshipssrsbznz, but also Capitalism/Excel/Spreadsheets online, the OP said it in the first post: Quote: PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Now, there's no reason for quoting Gordon Gecko here, but the fact remains that there is obviously a high demand, or at least a perceived high demand, for PLEX. This means that people will try to profit from it. If less people start seeing PLEX as a viable payment option, the demand will go down. Thus, the market speculators will be sitting with a large stock that they will need to lower the price on. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:30:00 - [43] Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 11/11/2010 13:34:29 Originally by: Sentinel Epsilon Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this... If you cannot afford the small monthly subscription, leaving the game and focusing on your real life may be for the best. Dont really aggree to this, not everyone needs or wants to get a job. The real problem is if you dont have a job, and you play eve all the time, and you still cant make 400 million ISK , then i feel sorry for you, it takes like one days play to earn that much. Also the traders are the last people you should blame, if you do need to blame someone its more CCPs fault tofr allowing plex on the merket in the first place.
Virtuozzo Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:37:00 - [44] Don't worry, we'll get them over 400m, given time and added features tied to Plex well over 500m. ≡v≡ once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business. Now all that's left, serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incarna.
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Vicious Cell Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back. Amen, brother. There are three kinds of people in this thread: 1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time. 2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk. 3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had. My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it. You're forgetting: 4) People who don't really care about the price of PLEX because paying real-life cash for account(s) is just easier. 5) People who moderately care about the price of PLEX from a profit-generating perspective, but who also pay RL cash for accounts because it is, indeed, still easier. The distinction is important, because #4 is oblivious to the PLEX market, while #5 will exert some influence over market factors.
Khorian Gallente Versatech Co. Blade.	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:51:00 - [46] Why is OP complaining about his friends not being able to afford buying PLEX anymore. That means, that there is less demand wich means the prices will fall, the harder it gets to sell PLEX due to less demand. REJOICE!
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:52:00 - [47] Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: Vicious Cell Originally by: Chribba At one time we paid 180m for 90d GTC's... I want those back. Amen, brother. There are three kinds of people in this thread: 1)People very unhappy with Plex prices because they are the ones who buy them for their game time. 2)People very happy with Plex prices because they are the ones who sell them for isk. 3)People posting with no idea what the OP said and start talking about Unicorns, Astrophysics, Baseball and that last haircut they had. My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it. You're forgetting: 4) People who don't really care about the price of PLEX because paying real-life cash for account(s) is just easier. 5) People who moderately care about the price of PLEX from a profit-generating perspective, but who also pay RL cash for accounts because it is, indeed, still easier. The distinction is important, because #4 is oblivious to the PLEX market, while #5 will exert some influence over market factors. Both posts crappy sweeping generalizations, the distinction is not important as there are many more groups of people than your pigeonholes. The only three groups you can make with certainty are : Those happy Those miffed off and those that dont care.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:55:00 - [48] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/11/2010 13:56:26 Originally by: Brian Ballsack The only three groups you can make with certainty are : Those happy Those miffed off and those that dont care. Then there's me! I am really happy Because your all miffed off But over all I don't Care -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:05:00 - [49] If you don't enjoy farming the isk to pay for plex and it takes more than a couple of hours to do so, maybe you should consider flipping burgers to solve your problem instead. That minimalises your time spent doing something you don't enjoy. If you do enjoy farming isk to pay for game time - then sit back & relax. Plex prices are rising because demand has increased.
xavier69 Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:35:00 - [50] Really though all you clowns telling OP to get a better job ROFL I'm a share point admin and take home over 3k every two weeks after taxes and still would rather not pay for this game I think the insanely slow skill up times make it not worth paying RL cash for who the hell wants to wait 18 days to learn cruise missile V and pay for it too? when learning an 18 day skill sometimes i go 7 to 10 days with out even logging in ROFL you expect me to pay for that ? This Game has FTP written all over IT Exactly Plex prices where screwed by CCP Doing their Plex Charity drives and by making plex a Pew pew able item over all it goes back to a standard IF IT ANT BROKE DONT FIX IT ccp should live that by that model in the future PS: prior to PI i could run 4 pos and make enough money to have 2 accounts and lots of extra left over now i am doing level 4 to keep one account active the reality is i am not paying 15 dollars a month to run a stop watch ROFL And if my example is correct ccp is losing money due to their foolish changes Where the fuk is in incursion? ThatÆs the only chance I have to resubing my second account if pi is fixed so I can run my poses again XOXOXOXO
El Liptonez	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:42:00 - [51] lol op u mad
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:45:00 - [52] Originally by: xavier69 Really though all you clowns telling OP to get a better job ROFL I'm a share point admin and take home over 3k every two weeks after taxes and still would rather not pay for this game I think the insanely slow skill up times make it not worth paying RL cash for who the hell wants to wait 18 days to learn cruise missile V and pay for it too? when learning an 18 day skill sometimes i go 7 to 10 days with out even logging in ROFL you expect me to pay for that ? This Game has FTP written all over IT Exactly Plex prices where screwed by CCP Doing their Plex Charity drives and by making plex a Pew pew able item over all it goes back to a standard IF IT ANT BROKE DONT FIX IT ccp should live that by that model in the future PS: prior to PI i could run 4 pos and make enough money to have 2 accounts and lots of extra left over now i am doing level 4 to keep one account active the reality is i am not paying 15 dollars a month to run a stop watch ROFL And if my example is correct ccp is losing money due to their foolish changes Where the fuk is in incursion? ThatÆs the only chance I have to resubing my second account if pi is fixed so I can run my poses again Your writing abilities and abysmal grammar make me highly doubt you're pulling $100k a year as a "share point admin."
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:46:00 - [53] Edited by: Tippia on 11/11/2010 14:46:17 Originally by: xavier69 who the hell wants to wait 18 days to learn cruise missile V and pay for it too? You're not paying for Cruise Missile V, though, and no-one is forcing you to wait and thus forfeit what you are paying for. Those are you choices, and you have no-one but yourself to blame for making choices you don't want to pay for. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:52:00 - [54] Originally by: xavier69 Really though all you clowns telling OP to get a better job ROFL I'm a share point admin and take home over 3k every two weeks after taxes and still would rather not pay for this game The level of your income is irrelevant to the preference of not paying cash for entertainment, there is no single sane person that wouldn't rather get something at no charge than pay for it. The level of income however IS relevant to the ability to pay cash for it if necessary. Quote: when learning an 18 day skill sometimes i go 7 to 10 days with out even logging in ROFL you expect me to pay for that ? Then may I ask, why do you bother playing at all ? Why were you playing before starting that skill level ? How does having that skill level in training stop you from playing for whatever it was you were playing before ? What's the magic improvement afterwards that all of a sudden makes the game worth playing again ? Quote: And if my example is correct ccp is losing money due to their foolish changes I seriously doubt CCP would be losing money even if your example was correct, which it wasn't. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Eleknar Eleknar PMC	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:00:00 - [55] CCP will not, and should not, step in and do ANYTHING with the market. EVE's economy is very complex and in many ways mirrors many real-life free-trade economies. Prices will go up with demand and will drop as demand drops. Market fluctuation is completely normal. PLEX prices are indeed quite high right now and, as you stated, most people cannot afford PLEX at their current prices. Well, if this is the case, then the high-priced PLEX will not sell which will force PLEX sellers to reduce prices so that folks will buy them again. Prices will normalize, it just takes time. But to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous. --------------------- So I just touched some clothes at Goodwill, then rubbed my eye. Am I going to get pregnant? 'Cause I can NOT get pregnant right now!! ~ Mike Ferguson
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Eleknar to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous. That's what a huge chunk of RL government-related protests are all about _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Ingole	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:09:00 - [57] Edited by: Ingole on 11/11/2010 15:09:56 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Eleknar to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous. That's what a huge chunk of RL government-related protests are all about Yeah, I was thinking about that while I was typing it out. But in all honesty it's just stupid. CCP is perfectly fine with allowing a person to make their way up the corp ladder, steal all of their corp's/stuff, and simply walk away without consequence. Considering this it just seems ridiculous for the OP to think that CCP would even consider stepping in to reduce PLEX prices. What's next? Asking CCP to reduce BC and BS prices so that under-skilled newer players can afford to pilot one as soon as they have minimal skills, even though they're still running lvl 1s?
True Sight THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:13:00 - [58] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!! PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell! YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!! Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro! Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!! Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS! SUPPLY:DEMAND -------------------------------------- True Sight President Foiritan Emissary --<<!SUPPORT DRONES!>>--
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:14:00 - [59] Check out my prediction lol!
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Aelius 100M nowadays are worth less than 100M 7 years ago, and 100M 3 years from now will worth less than 100M today. How much is a battleship compared to this time last year? CCP has deflated the economy by removing insurance fraud. 100 mill goes a lot further today then it did a year ago. There is only one limited resource in Eve. That resource is Time. How many more battle ships can you afford to loose now for your time grinding ISK to get them? More battle ships, for the same grind time, battle ships are worth less measured against Time. And, measured against PLEX, time 'comoditized' to an in game item, ISK is worth less too. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
RiskyFrisky Under the Table Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:58:00 - [61] And they'll keep going up :P I'ma wait for 500 mil then sell some. -
Iskmaker Risktaker Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:35:00 - [62] All this PLEX madness has folk practically paying my game time for me. Climb PLEX, climb!
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Vicious Cell My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it. This man was completely right! I do agree with alot of you, and yes my initial post could have been better said to prevent the no brainer trolls splurting their crap on this topic. BUT at the end of the day PLEX is just too expensive at present for those people that rely on playing the game by grinding lvl 4's to buy PLEX. Quote: Yes if you dont have a job it don't matter as you have all the time on your hands. For those of us that do 9-5's spend time with kids after work then wish to play EVE when wife watches soaps on TV its now alot tuffer to squeeze that extra 2 missions in to be able to continue paying for an alt. I'm thinking now that maybe I got it wrong and CCP have already realised this and their intervention was the introduction of 'Power of 2' so that they dont lose anymore subscribers! Thumbs up to them if so.. Coz they and many players cant do/say jack without a bunch of mofo trollers just spoiling everything with their imature crap replies, you just got to look at an extended downtime thread to be able to pick you guys out!!
Riedle Minmatar MARSOC Galactic	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:55:00 - [64] Edited by: Riedle on 11/11/2010 16:55:45 Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Originally by: Vicious Cell My conclusion: everyone will cancel each other out with their complaints and anti-complaints. Therefore CCP will just ignore the issue or bonus, however you view it. This man was completely right! I do agree with alot of you, and yes my initial post could have been better said to prevent the no brainer trolls splurting their crap on this topic. BUT at the end of the day PLEX is just too expensive at present for those people that rely on playing the game by grinding lvl 4's to buy PLEX. Quote: Yes if you dont have a job it don't matter as you have all the time on your hands. For those of us that do 9-5's spend time with kids after work then wish to play EVE when wife watches soaps on TV its now alot tuffer to squeeze that extra 2 missions in to be able to continue paying for an alt. I'm thinking now that maybe I got it wrong and CCP have already realised this and their intervention was the introduction of 'Power of 2' so that they dont lose anymore subscribers! Thumbs up to them if so.. Coz they and many players cant do/say jack without a bunch of mofo trollers just spoiling everything with their imature crap replies, you just got to look at an extended downtime thread to be able to pick you guys out!! So let me get this straight.. You are complaining that traders are greedy because you are having a difficult time playing a game for free to pay for a second account (for free)? And you have the audacity to call THEM greedy? Jesus Christ. Suck it up you pansy.
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:58:00 - [65] soon enough certain f2p games will outshine eve.....and cost less.... cant wait
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:01:00 - [66] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 17:03:47 Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK BUT at the end of the day PLEX is just too expensive at present for those people that rely on playing the game by grinding lvl 4's to buy PLEX. Lazy L4 mission-running income : roughly 15 mil ISK/hour per character. 2 hours an evening, just 5 days a week, that's around 640 mil ISK/month. Even if one PLEX goes over 650 mil ISK, then it would still not really be that expensive to call it not worth bothering with. Serious mission-runner income : 30 mil ISK/hour per character. 3 hours per weekday, 8 hours during weekends, that's a bit under 4 bil ISK/month. If one PLEX goes over 3 bil ISK, THEN it's certainly unacceptable for most people, but only about then. I don't expect PLEX prices to climb over 500 mil ISK for too long nor hold anywhere close to that for any significant timeframe. So, no, PLEX is nowhere near "too expensive". If anything, it's quite undervalued for people that consider their time playing as worthless... and there's enough of those around. Originally by: Zeke Mobius soon enough certain f2p games will outshine eve.....and cost less.... OH, REALLY ? You mean CCP has somehow magically increased their subscription costs in RL cash while we weren't looking ? Because you know that's how most people around here pay for EVE, with RL cash, not by buying PLEX with ISK, don't you ? Also, you know how F2P games make their cash, don't you ? Hint: they usually make more cash than similar subscription-based games. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:03:00 - [67] Originally by: Riedle So let me get this straight.. You are complaining that traders are greedy because you are having a difficult time playing a game for free to pay for a second account (for free)? And you have the audacity to call THEM greedy? Jesus Christ. Suck it up you pansy. Yes!
Riedle Minmatar MARSOC Galactic	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:04:00 - [68] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Originally by: Riedle So let me get this straight.. You are complaining that traders are greedy because you are having a difficult time playing a game for free to pay for a second account (for free)? And you have the audacity to call THEM greedy? Jesus Christ. Suck it up you pansy. Yes! YOU are the greedy one I am afraid. Wanting something for nothing. Excuse me if I don't agree with you.
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:11:00 - [69] Edited by: XEcuTioneRUK on 11/11/2010 17:12:52 Originally by: Akita T Serious mission-runner income : 30 mil ISK/hour per character. 3 hours per weekday, 8 hours during weekends, that's a bit under 4 bil ISK/month. If one PLEX goes over 3 bil ISK, THEN it's certainly unacceptable for most people, but only about then. 8 hours on weekends? WTF do you not have a life outside EVE? Originally by: Riedle YOU are the greedy one I am afraid. Wanting something for nothing. Excuse me if I don't agree with you. You are entitled to your say as much as myself! but you dont obviously read very well, maybe your brain is numb on one side and it just skips things?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Zeke Mobius soon enough certain f2p games will outshine eve.....and cost less.... cant wait Can I have your stuff? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Xanaan Zenithdul	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:15:00 - [71] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!! PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell! YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!! Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro! Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!! Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS! This game costs 15 euros per month! 15!!!! EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:21:00 - [72] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK 8 hours on weekends? WTF do you not have a life outside EVE? You obviously missed this part reading: Originally by: Akita T So, no, PLEX is nowhere near "too expensive". If anything, it's quite undervalued for people that consider their time playing as worthless... and there's enough of those around. People that have a life (and a JOB) outside EVE can really just afford to pay in RL cash. The price of PLEX is really only a problem for people that DON'T have a job (and also not much of a life). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!! PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell! YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!! Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro! Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!! Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS! This game costs 15 euros per month! 15!!!! EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE! Well some of us cant actually afford it and for no choice of there own, myself being in that position at present, I have paid many times but at mo I cant, hence the reason for my raging 1st post and having to buy plex, now that I have chilled a bit I realise I shouldn't have even bothered posting due to the large variation of mixed views on any topic here. So I should not play EVE yes? is that what you are saying, if you cant afford it dont play it?, its a game for RL cash people? pansy! THEN WTF IS PLEX FOR U DUMBA**ES!
Atedar Kerane Silentium Mortalitas	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:29:00 - [74] PLEX (just like everything else) is worth as much as people are willing to pay
Xanaan Zenithdul	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:29:00 - [75] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Edited by: XEcuTioneRUK on 11/11/2010 17:28:01 Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!! PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell! YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!! Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro! Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!! Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS! This game costs 15 euros per month! 15!!!! EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE! Well some of us cant actually afford it and for no choice of there own, myself being in that position at present, I have paid many times but at mo I cant, hence the reason for my raging 1st post and having to buy plex for my alt and my main, now that I have chilled a bit I realise I shouldn't have even bothered posting due to the large variation of mixed views on any topic here. So I should not play EVE yes? is that what you are saying, if you cant afford it dont play it?, its a game for RL cash people? pansy! THEN WTF IS PLEX FOR U DUMBA**ES! Get a job. Seriously. Grow some balls.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:29:00 - [76] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Well some of us cant actually afford it and for no choice of there own, myself being in that position at present, I have paid many times but at mo I cant, hence the reason for my raging 1st post and having to buy plex, now that I have chilled a bit I realise I shouldn't have even bothered posting due to the large variation of mixed views on any topic here. So I should not play EVE yes? is that what you are saying, if you cant afford it dont play it?, its a game for RL cash people? pansy! THEN WTF IS PLEX FOR U DUMBA*ES! Solutions: get more RL cash * get more ISK The market determines what the "fair" exchange rate between ISK and RL cash is. There's far less complaining about the exchange rate between the USD and the EUR, even if that's far more of a real issue for an EVE player. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
XEcuTioneRUK	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:32:00 - [77] Quote: Get a job. Seriously. Grow some balls. I actually run my own business and earn good money thankyou, but things are a bit tight. I'm done ...way to many twa*ts here o/
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Angry Dogs	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:37:00 - [78] People complaining that in a free merket prices may go up as well as down?
Xanaan Zenithdul	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:41:00 - [79] Originally by: baltec1 People complaining that in a free merket prices may go up as well as down? People just don't get it what they are asking for, just like in real world when they are voting for republicans or other similar entity. Free trading and all that are so wonderfull when things go nicely, but when there is first bit of problem, they all yell socialism to help them out.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:45:00 - [80] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 17:45:37 Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Quote: Get a job. Seriously. Grow some balls. I actually run my own business and earn good money thankyou, but things are a bit tight. Your run your own business but things are SO tight you can't afford 15$/month on entertainment ? OUCH. Sounds to me a short break from EVE and focusing on your business more would be the way to go right now. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Fulbert Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:54:00 - [81] Originally by: Akita T The market determines what the "fair" exchange rate between ISK and RL cash is. There's far less complaining about the exchange rate between the USD and the EUR, even if that's far more of a real issue for an EVE player. This. PLEX/GTC value has always been player made. Stop complaining. "500 mil for a plex" means ISK lost their value, come on people, think about it. More ISK in game. More characters with uber-ships soloing L4s. More players playing with alts. Dominion and Planetary interaction which destroyed the POS fuel ISK sink. Etc. Speculators are juste anticipating or amplifying natural phenomenons. One day, Average Joe will earn 600 or 700m ISK per month, so a 30-Day PLEX will cost 600 or 700m. -------------------------------- Fulbert. Miner - Industrialist
Bella Hedra	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:57:00 - [82] If you want to play a game casually, for free....go play a casual game? This is a subscription based game... /thread
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.11.11 18:01:00 - [83] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Quote: Get a job. Seriously. Grow some balls. I actually run my own business and earn good money thankyou, but things are a bit tight. Hmm Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Bella Hedra	Posted - 2010.11.11 18:04:00 - [84] Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Quote: Get a job. Seriously. Grow some balls. I actually run my own business and earn good money thankyou, but things are a bit tight. Hmm Contradicting statement is contradicting.
Enord Loej Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.11 18:38:00 - [85] PLEX prices increase, people leave EVE, people buy more PLEX because of high PLEX prices, PLEX prices tank because of high supply/low demand, people come back to eve and buy plex, PLEX prices increase... etc.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:01:00 - [86] What does 'GFYS' mean? --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:10:00 - [87] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 20:11:15 Originally by: Captain Pompous What does 'GFYS' mean? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/gfys Go "Find" YourSelf _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:14:00 - [88] It's inflation, pure and simple. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Aylara	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE! Excuse me for the offtopic, but I' certain that more than half of the world population don't make that amount in a month.
Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:25:00 - [90] OP you have NO IDEA about the Laws of Supply and demand, NOT A CLUE Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona or content directly related to Eve Online. Spitfire
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:33:00 - [91] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 20:40:53 Originally by: Aylara Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE! Excuse me for the offtopic, but I' certain that more than half of the world population don't make that amount in a month. Then you'd certainly be wrong, if by that you meant working population. Even in China the normally practiced minimum wages are nearly one order of magnitude above that level in most urban areas. India is slightly better than that in raw amounts, but China is better off in purchase power parity, AFAIK. And that's already one third of the world's population right there. The only people that might fit the profile for "under 15$ in a month" could be rural workers from Africa and some Asian countries. Of course, if you meant out of the entire population, then yeah, you're probably right... kids don't exactly earn much cash, unemployed people are notorious for not earning much moolah either, and not everybody has an actual income after retiring. And also, if you meant, not many people have that much disposable income, then again, you're most likely right. Still... EVE players account for at most 0.005% of the world's population, so it's not like it really matters how much somebody without access to running water or indoor plumbing, let alone internet access is earning. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Geanos Phoenix Tribe	Posted - 2010.11.11 22:29:00 - [92] Edited by: Geanos on 11/11/2010 22:30:58 Ah, forget about it, I should stop wasting time here.
Aylara	Posted - 2010.11.11 22:42:00 - [93] Edited by: Aylara on 11/11/2010 22:44:43 Me too.
xavier69 Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC	Posted - 2010.11.12 01:07:00 - [94] Edited by: xavier69 on 12/11/2010 01:07:52 thelung187 ** YOU did i spell that right ? ROFL Flame me and get **ing owned kid XOXOXOXO
Draco Carollis Amarr The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.12 01:57:00 - [95] Hmm... Good Aussie dollar rate, high plex price...
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.12 02:41:00 - [96] I can confirm that this claim has been made over and over again since I started playing and plex prices were 150mil/30 days. Only change that I can really blame CCP for was the switch over to 60 day GTCs (the 60 day codes cost about the same as the old 90day ones did) and that change was made quite a while ago.
Varesk Gallente Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2010.11.12 03:22:00 - [97] 15 bux
Annabel Katt	Posted - 2010.11.12 03:49:00 - [98] Just to put that into perspective... Here in Australia a PLEX costs about $15 I am retired (over 65yo) on a Government pension worth about 80 PLEX a month The average Rent is 10 PLEX a week Broadband costs 4 PLEX a month A Phone line rental is 2 PLEX a month A major AAA game costs 6 PLEX and rarely is good enough to last more than a couple of weeks. Originally by: Adunh Slavy Don't worry, soon Eve will cost less than a loaf of bread. It already does: My own Bread bill is at least worth 2 PLEX a month.
Captain Tupolev	Posted - 2010.11.12 03:53:00 - [99] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!! PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell! YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!! Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro! Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!! Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS! All due respect dude, if you can't afford to pay with real money don't play at all. This game is build on supply and demand and right now the demand for plex are high and the supply is low. Lots of people want to play via Plex but you can only buy so many a month so. Save 14 bucks for a month for when you can't get a plex due to price or lack of supply.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.11.12 04:24:00 - [100] brb selling some plex's while the markets high. ---- Gullible
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.11.12 06:34:00 - [101] 6/10 troll Prose was convincingly like a real moron who blew a few neurons ! A little too much redundancy and too even in it's rage start to finish.
cpu939 Gallente Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.11.12 07:16:00 - [102] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK Quote: Get a job. Seriously. Grow some balls. I actually run my own business and earn good money thankyou, but things are a bit tight. I'm done ...way to many twa*ts here o/ ok to start yes i play the game via plex have done so for almost 3 years now. with that out the road i do know where you are coming form but with the world market the way it is and plex being an rl transaction to in game item do you not think that less people will be buying them? Then there is plex traders they put buy orders up at 360-370m buy the plex, sell at 380-390m.(hint hint for lower cost plexes) the market is open in this game, maybe once you business is doing better you'll buy gtc and convert them to plex and sell them at 280m isk? 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.11.12 08:05:00 - [103] Originally by: Eleknar CCP will not, and should not, step in and do ANYTHING with the market. EVE's economy is very complex and in many ways mirrors many real-life free-trade economies. Prices will go up with demand and will drop as demand drops. Market fluctuation is completely normal. PLEX prices are indeed quite high right now and, as you stated, most people cannot afford PLEX at their current prices. Well, if this is the case, then the high-priced PLEX will not sell which will force PLEX sellers to reduce prices so that folks will buy them again. Prices will normalize, it just takes time. But to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous. This. Sweet Jesus, This. They have a real life Economist FFS. I'm pretty sure they know WTF they are doing which is: nothing! Nor should they. The economy in eve is very complex, and it behaves just like our RL economies. Again for those who are wringing their hands: You might have to fork over $15 next month, or if none of you buy these "expensive" PLEX then ~wonder of wonders~ the prices will fall. Magic! "Zion's Child -"I'm glad this forum is filled with idiots. It just wouldn't be any fun without people like Blane, Zedic, Surf and Jago. Your antics are what make OOPE such a joy to come to."
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.12 08:31:00 - [104] Originally by: Zedic This. Sweet Jesus, This. They have a real life Economist FFS. I'm pretty sure they know WTF they are doing which is: nothing! Nor should they. The economy in eve is very complex, and it behaves just like our RL economies. Again for those who are wringing their hands: You might have to fork over $15 next month, or if none of you buy these "expensive" PLEX then ~wonder of wonders~ the prices will fall. Magic! So in other words: The OP is a filthy socialist because he wants to fiddle with the free market. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Hemp Invader Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.12 09:09:00 - [105] Instead of trolling / acusing somebody of trolling, we could start to think for a bit to identify the problem. When did the plex start to rise? I for one remember when PI came along. If plexes started to rise when PI came along, what increased the ammount of isk generated in the expansion? Obviously PI. Why did this happen? Because PI can easily be macro-ed ! Just my 2 cents.
Khanaris Asgarth Eternium Industries	Posted - 2010.11.12 09:47:00 - [106] Think about this OP. What do you want. A price fix on plex? If that was to happen supply would drop drastically.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.12 10:08:00 - [107] Originally by: Hemp Invader Instead of trolling / acusing somebody of trolling, we could start to think for a bit to identify the problem. When did the plex start to rise? I for one remember when PI came along. If plexes started to rise when PI came along, what increased the ammount of isk generated in the expansion? Obviously PI. Why did this happen? Because PI can easily be macro-ed ! Just my 2 cents. Now you're just jumping to conclusions. When PI was introduced, the ISK sink for trade goods disappeared, and instead the ISK went directly to other players. This means there is much more ISK circulating now, so obviously there will be more people wanting to use their newly-aquired riches on things like PLEX. Not that PI couldn't be remade to be less friendly to macros, but don't blame it all on the gold farmers. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Jaari Val'Dara Caldari Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.12 10:30:00 - [108] A little off topic, but europeans pay 15 euros, so that is more and that sucks big time. It's good thing plexes costs the same to us all, no matter how high it gets.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.11.12 10:55:00 - [109] Originally by: Plocsk Check out my prediction lol! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/5166404291_f6c156ed5d_b.jpg Image changed to URL, as per the forum rules. StevieSG. THIS LOOKS SHOPPED / I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE PIXELS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW SHOPS IN MY TIME. Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
ishi ryu Minmatar Atlantic Solutions	Posted - 2010.11.12 10:57:00 - [110] Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul[/quote This game costs 15 euros per month! 15!!!! EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE! shows how little you know about this planet you a**hat oww and plex prices ??? since CCP still plays that 15 $ = 15 Ç trick i cba to pay with RL cash anymore i have all i want ingame, can afford to lose it all a few times and still have a good deal of isk left so why on earth should i bother to spend cash ??? and no, i'm not online 23/7...then again i'm really not whining about plex prices, they are just a monthly cost like my poses, calculated upfront
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.12 11:01:00 - [111] A 30 day timecode/plex should be more like 400m ISK. 2 characters who've done research agents can make this through data cores every month without even playing the game. All I read is how easy ISK is to farm and people can make 100m an hour. In that case it's not to much to ask to pay something more reasonable.
Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.12 11:04:00 - [112] When Plex gets to a Billion isk, , ppl will be whining bout the "good ol days " when it was 390 mil. Save yourself the trouble, buy every Plex in Jita , sell in a year and you'll be set! Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona or content directly related to Eve Online. Spitfire
Hemp Invader Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.12 11:04:00 - [113] Originally by: Illwill Bill Now you're just jumping to conclusions. When PI was introduced, the ISK sink for trade goods disappeared, and instead the ISK went directly to other players. This means there is much more ISK circulating now, so obviously there will be more people wanting to use their newly-aquired riches on things like PLEX. Not that PI couldn't be remade to be less friendly to macros, but don't blame it all on the gold farmers. Now the thing is, that PI can be so efficiently macro-ed for the following reasons: -takes 6 days to create a char from scratch and make it uber PI farmer -you can make 3 chars per account only to farm PI. -hisec 30 minutes cycle is 0.0 1 day cycle or something close. -well...clickfest -clickfest in an organized manner. -<troll>ice mine + PI management = 15 mil an hour </troll? It's not a matter of more isk circulation, the isk sink of "buy from npc" was replaced with an isk faucet. So instead of adding an isk faucet, they added 1 with a double effect.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.12 11:39:00 - [114] Originally by: Hemp Invader It's not a matter of more isk circulation, the isk sink of "buy from npc" was replaced with an isk faucet. So instead of adding an isk faucet, they added 1 with a double effect. PI is not an ISK faucet, it is in fact an ISK sink. It IS a materials faucet. Materials that are traded for ISK that are not other wise put into the sink which was removed. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.11.15 11:42:00 - [115] Originally by: Illwill Bill Originally by: Zedic This. Sweet Jesus, This. They have a real life Economist FFS. I'm pretty sure they know WTF they are doing which is: nothing! Nor should they. The economy in eve is very complex, and it behaves just like our RL economies. Again for those who are wringing their hands: You might have to fork over $15 next month, or if none of you buy these "expensive" PLEX then ~wonder of wonders~ the prices will fall. Magic! So in other words: The OP is a filthy socialist because he wants to fiddle with the free market. If he were a filthy socialist, I would ask him is a/s/l because I too, am a filthy socialist. And I'm also an American. "Zion's Child -"I'm glad this forum is filled with idiots. It just wouldn't be any fun without people like Blane, Zedic, Surf and Jago. Your antics are what make OOPE such a joy to come to."
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.15 11:44:00 - [116] This thread only proves that microtransactions will be popular.
Kira Sosuke Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.15 11:54:00 - [117] you know i have this serious feeling that CCP just reads our threads and LOL's. honestly it doesn't matter what any of us say. no matter how long threads are or how big the outcry is, CCP is just going to do what CCP wants. CCP is going to do what makes them money and thats all there is to it. We all do the same thing in the game world, we're all trying to make trillions of isk. Well they're trying to make millions of euro's. You cant blame 'em. It's human nature to want more once you already have some. honestly these forums are just for us to talk to eachother in. spamming to ccp wont do much. they got their plans to do so and so. and their going to happen whether a few hundred of us dont like it or not. honestly most of the ppl in game don't care about micro-transactions. i for one don't care at all. many ppl who dont even read the forums arent even aware of it and never will care. whatever happens, happens. none of us really affect the game to the extent you wish we did. ccp will do what they want, they own the game they can do however they want with it. the same way a person owns a house and they can customize it however they want. if you dont like the way they are designing the game, gtfo. this game is plenty crowded as it is. the less players the better for me, ie, more officer loot for me, hell yeah. and as far as pvp goes..i wouldnt mind blob warfare to end either, lol. so just gtfo if u dont like ccp's house. it's their place, they'll do as they please. you can join in or not, up to you. no one cares really, lol.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.15 12:29:00 - [118] Originally by: Jennifer Starling This thread only proves that microtransactions will be popular. That's why they're such a spectacularly bad idea. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.15 13:58:00 - [119] Good Lord, is this thread still going. If you get paid $15 an hour to work; you are basically paid 1 plex per hour. Work harder -> get paid more -> earn more isk at a rate you can't possibly achieve in game. Do you play the game to earn ISK, or earn ISK to play the game?
Lessoroz	Posted - 2010.11.15 14:00:00 - [120] tl;dr people complaining about the free market of eve who should go back to grinding in WoW
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.11.15 14:03:00 - [121] good riddance to dead wood. Do you think CCP gives a damn about 'losing subscribers' that never contributed real money to their company? Also, if you turn the game into a grind to earn enough isk to get the next plex, how fun is your game? Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.11.15 15:28:00 - [122] Originally by: Skippermonkey Do you think CCP gives a damn about 'losing subscribers' that never contributed real money to their company? ... because, clearly, people who buy a PLEX with ISK don't contribute real money to CCP. It's truly mindboggling how inept some posters on here are. However, it's Monday, I am still in a fairly good mood, so I will go ahead and explain that everyone who buys a PLEX with ISK in effect pays CCP $15, which last I checked was real money. PLEXes don't appear out of thin air, each PLEX was bought for $15 and $15 went to CCP. It's really not that hard of a concept yet time and time again people fail to grasp that. Also, selling PLEXes for 400mil each, grab them now before they hit 500 during the xmas break, another 72 available right now, buy 20 and get one free (real offer!).
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.15 17:04:00 - [123] Originally by: Skippermonkey Also, if you turn the game into a grind to earn enough isk to get the next plex, how fun is your game? Mission running is grinding as are allot of other task in EVE. I hear how easy it is to AFK grind 40m + an hour or 100-150m an hour in wormholes or how much can be made through datacores (which take no effort once you've done the prereqs other than colleting them)...the list goes on. Station trading alone can make probably 750m to 1b a week putting in maybe 25-30 minutes a day if you do it right. 350m ISK for a months play time? Its nothing for many high sec players. Its not much for many 0.0 players or those with a little time on there hands.
Lexus DazzleGlitz	Posted - 2010.11.15 17:06:00 - [124] Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK What the hell is happening with PLEX prices? 388MIL Minimum WTF! 7 months ago they were just 265MIL This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!! PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!! Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total" Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell! YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!! Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro! Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!! Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS! plex is a want not a need.A need is something you cant live without air,water,food for example. IF you don't like the rise in prices get a real job and buy a subscription and please QQ now if you wanna buy a 60 day GTC contact me I got 20 of them 750m each PS Expires: 8/28/2011 5:54:49 AM Remaining Playtime: 285d:12h:49m
Hyveres Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.15 17:31:00 - [125] I blame the speculators. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
wakalaka Information And Entropy	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:51:00 - [126] The card market is so manipulated it's not even fun. Tried to sell a stack of cards? yeah, you guessed right, most are "margin trading" buy orders. The kind that defaults when you fill them. You go to the Timecode bazaar? yeah, you guessed right, BS spam to drive prices up (not so much now since the former strategy is more effective, but one year ago... oh god). This is part of "free market" definition, as opposed to "fair market" which means some kind of control and policy. Have fun with your freedom ;)
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:31:00 - [127] Greetings Proletariat Peasants of EVE! (and a nod to the Capitalist Swine Oppressors, as well ) Since this thread is so reeking of fine socialistic (if not communistic) ire, I felt obligated to at least make an appearance to maintain my RP identity. I would like to once again point out to the 'masses' hovelling in empire space of the futility of their scratching dirt (mining) and bourgeois 'shop keeping' (manufacture of T1), while all the time competeing against each other on price, which ultimately serves only the 'slave wages' aims of your 'Feudal Lords and Masters' in zero... the aforementioned Capitalist Swine Oppressors (who are probably behind the manipulation of the Plex values). If the above was a bit of a mouthful for the slow.... You work cheap, while they hold the sources of isk, and laugh at you. This state of affairs will continue until you peasants get organized and revolt and start the REVOLUTION So until then, carry on with your ineffective whines! (There, I have fulfilled my obligations.) P.S. I would do something about it myself, but my own Capitalist Swine Alt is too busy in zero and Jita stuffing his pockets with ill-gotten gain to be concerned.)
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:59:00 - [128] Originally by: Hyveres I blame the speculators. I object to that. The combined buying power of PLEX users is orders of magnitude greater than the buying power of speculators. The issue is that a PLEX has no absolute value in game. Outside of the game it costs $15, inside the game there is really no limit on how high PLEX prices can rise. Before you rage-reply read all the way through. The pricing of PLEX is determined by how easy it is to gain ISK (and you could argue that the RMT ISK prices pay into that as well, but meh). Gaining ISK has become significantly easier over time fueled by characters having more SP hence being more effective at gaining ISK but also by ISK faucets maintained or introduced into the game. Then you need to consider that some (most?) PLEX buyers are from countries where $15 is actually a lot of money. A US based middle class player will consider how much time it takes for him or her to accumulate ISK vs how much time it takes to spent $15 of disposable income on entertainment. Many PLEX buyers do not have that option since no amount of RL time would result in a $15 gain for them. However, they have infinite time (23/7) to play EVE either manually or through automation (macro ratting, plexing, mining). If you make 20+ billion a month it really doesn't matter whether you pay 400M or 500M for that PLEX especially if you do not have the option to pay RL cash for the subscription fee. Speculators merely facilitate the process but are not the root cause of rising PLEX prices. PLEX prices, over time, only go one way: UP! When players will pour into the game over the Christmas Break PLEX prices will easily reach 500M and folks will fondly remember the 390M prices.

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