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Parsee789	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:19:00 - [1] The myrmidon has 6 effective turrets and a 75mb drone bandwidth. A vexor has 5 effective turrets and a 75mb bandwidth. A myrmidon pretty much only have a 1 turret advantage over the vexor with a laughable active tanking bonus. The dominix is not far from its cost. The Myrmidon is as slow and clumsy as a battleship and has a large radius. Compared to the Hurricane, Drake, and Harbinger, the Myrmidon is a real joke. I hardly ever see one being flown nowadays. People should not waste their money on myrms and spend their money and superior ships instead.
minx trader	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:28:00 - [2] i use mine for gas mining in w/h's have seen them setup as neuting ships and dedicated pointing ships with a med rack of sesbo and scrams,dist, i think they can have a fairy good armor tank with the rep bonuses but never really used one on pve or pvp. think key to mym is that is a fleet ship, not solo, imagine be fairly nasty 3 of them together setup for that purpose
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:30:00 - [3] Yes a battlecruiser tank and +2 Lows +3 Mids +1 Highs and 50m3 extra drone space are all bad things. I didn't want to: Catch that ship on the gate with my Sebo Use my Bonused Duel Reppers and Cap Boosted to Tank the Gate Guns and the ship. Have my Blasters, Autocannons or Lasors + bonused drones of all sizes tear into them. While knowing if things go south I have 5 ECM Drones for a quick escape. Anyway. Myrmidon is fine and well used. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:33:00 - [4] Domi manufacturer with a dwindling business spottedà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Parsee789	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:34:00 - [5] Originally by: minx trader i use mine for gas mining in w/h's have seen them setup as neuting ships and dedicated pointing ships with a med rack of sesbo and scrams,dist, i think they can have a fairy good armor tank with the rep bonuses but never really used one on pve or pvp. think key to mym is that is a fleet ship, not solo, imagine be fairly nasty 3 of them together setup for that purpose That's like saying something is better than nothing. I can pretty much take any ship and make a gang making them better than an individual ship. The Myrmidon is the lowest of the Tier 2 Battlecruisers. Look at the drake, harbinger, and hurricane they have the capability of tank and gank. The Dominix makes a far superior Neut ship. Mobility is not an issue since Myrmidon is very slow and turns like a school bus.
Parsee789	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Yes a battlecruiser tank and +2 Lows +3 Mids +1 Highs and 50m3 extra drone space are all bad things. I didn't want to: Catch that ship on the gate with my Sebo Use my Bonused Duel Reppers and Cap Boosted to Tank the Gate Guns and the ship. Have my Blasters, Autocannons or Lasors + bonused drones of all sizes tear into them. While knowing if things go south I have 5 ECM Drones for a quick escape. Anyway. Myrmidon is fine and well used. Take a look at the other battlecruisers they have more mids, lows, highs, as well as drones. That is not a valid reason. Sure your ship can tank gate guns, but can you drones do that? Let see how long your cap boosters last. They'll turn your drones to mincemeat while melting you with their bonused weapons. Go ahead run away you lose. Myrmidon is lols and rarely used.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:45:00 - [7] So ... what you're saying is that the dominix is overpowered and needs nerfing?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Parsee789 The Myrmidon is the lowest of the Tier 2 Battlecruisers. Look at the drake, harbinger, and hurricane they have the capability of tank and gank. àas does the Myrm. Particularly tank, where it comfortably tanks as well as the Drake (while doing the same, or more, damage and being faster). Quote: Mobility is not an issue since Myrmidon is very slow and turns like a school bus. Funnily enough, the Myrm is no more unwieldy than the other BCs (or, rather, it's just as agile as the Hurricane and Harbinger ù the Drake beats them all). Beyond that, and more to the point, it is, by far, the most flexible and versatile of all the BCs, with ample slots and fitting space for just about anything you want to throw on it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Parsee789	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:47:00 - [9] Edited by: Parsee789 on 11/11/2010 10:52:07 Originally by: James Lyrus So ... what you're saying is that the dominix is overpowered and needs nerfing? The myrmidon needs buffing, its drone bandwidth is too small for it to utilize its bonus as a battlecruiser. a 100mb would be sufficient the Vexor Navy Issue has it why not the Myrm? Versatility is rather a moot point since specialized ships are the way to go for gangs. Most cases will you rarely find a solo fight.
minx trader	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:51:00 - [10] not forgetting the warfare link bonus
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:53:00 - [11] Myrmidon isn't that bad. Would be nice if the drone bonus gave speed aswell though, as heavies take ages to reach targets. I don't even fit it vaguely like a Gallente ship: [Myrmidon, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Berserker II x2 Valkyrie II x2 Warrior II x1 Berserker II x1 Warrior II x5
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:58:00 - [12] Originally by: TimMc I don't even fit it vaguely like a Gallente ship: And there, in a nutshell, is the strength of the Myrm ù it's a big vertical package of WTFUpitude. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:58:00 - [13] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/11/2010 11:00:51 Originally by: Parsee789 Take a look at the other battlecruisers they have more mids, lows, highs, as well as drones. That is not a valid reason. More mids then the Hurricane and Harbie with the same number of lows. More Lows then the Drake with one less mid. And name another BC that can pack Med, Light and ECM Drones Originally by: Parsee789 Sure your ship can tank gate guns, but can you drones do that? Let see how long your cap boosters last. They'll turn your drones to mincemeat while melting you with their bonused weapons. Yay for 150m2 Replacement, and in this hypothetical fight in which you assume is against another Battlecruiser. If they were under the guns they would loose as well. Originally by: Parsee789 Go ahead run away you lose. From the Hypothetical Bad Guy under gate gun fire... Seems if I attack someone my equal in another BC while bein pounded by there bonused weapons and Large Gate Guns and manage to escape I am pretty win. Originally by: Parsee789 Myrmidon is lols and rarely used. In your opinion, Try to post facts. Like it being the 20th ranked ship to kill people in. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Parsee789 Edited by: Parsee789 on 11/11/2010 10:52:07 Originally by: James Lyrus So ... what you're saying is that the dominix is overpowered and needs nerfing? The myrmidon needs buffing, its drone bandwidth is too small for it to utilize its bonus as a battlecruiser. a 100mb would be sufficient the Vexor Navy Issue has it why not the Myrm? You keep making the assertion that the Myrmidon 'needs buffing' and yet... I haven't yet seen any sign of _why_ this is so? Just because one ship has something, doesn't mean another should, by default. That's just pure nonsense. Doubly so if you're referring to faction ships. I'd suggest instead, that if you're having problems with your Myrmidon, you're doing it wrong. Quote: Versatility is rather a moot point since specialized ships are the way to go for gangs. Most cases will you rarely find a solo fight.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:15:00 - [15] Looks like someone didnt notice that this ship can tank more dps than cyclone with hg crystals.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:34:00 - [16] Some 800sh was a tank that a 3 rep myrm can pump out, which I think is quite impressive for a BC. Problem with Myrm is that as it has no bonused guns you pretty much have to fit it with AC's to save cap for active tank. Then again myrm can also sport a quite formidable shield tank (passive or active) only thing I miss is a full set of heavies. A plated myrm can easily reach BS sizes on buffer making it as slow as a domi so if we consider myrm from gallentean point of view it quite readily sucks but when fitted and flown "outside the box" it can be quite impressive. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
DarkAegix	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:17:00 - [17] Edited by: DarkAegix on 11/11/2010 12:17:28 The Myrm is more effective than the Drake when completely-uselessly-failtastically passive tanked. A Drake has 40 extra hp/s out of like 960. A Myrm has slightly less than twice the DPS. (Myrm with 425mm autos & Ogre IIs, Drake with HAMs and Warrior IIs) Of course, these fits don't have points, ABs or other useful things. And so, the Myrm is a better Drake than the Drake.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Tippia it's a big vertical package of WTFUpitude. This. While I'm quite harsh on the Myrm wrt PvE (ie: it has absolutely no place in PvE) it's really quite something of a bag of tricks for PvP -- even compared to the Domi. And that's a serious advantage. Seriously, what other ship has valid PvP fits with shield buffer tanks, active armor tanks, armor buffer tanks, arties, ACs, neuts, FMPs, blasters, rails, or RR? All while fielding (realistically) five bonused medium drones.
Darius Brinn	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:59:00 - [19] As a Myrmidon pilot and enthusiast myself, I entirely agree with the original poster. Buff it. BUFF IT!
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:05:00 - [20] Originally by: DarkAegix Edited by: DarkAegix on 11/11/2010 12:17:28 The Myrm is more effective than the Drake when completely-uselessly-failtastically passive tanked. A Drake has 40 extra hp/s out of like 960. A Myrm has slightly less than twice the DPS. (Myrm with 425mm autos & Ogre IIs, Drake with HAMs and Warrior IIs) Of course, these fits don't have points, ABs or other useful things. And so, the Myrm is a better Drake than the Drake. Drake has the advantage of longer range and being able to choose damage type.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:10:00 - [21] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/11/2010 13:12:06 Originally by: Zhilia Mann This. While I'm quite harsh on the Myrm wrt PvE (ie: it has absolutely no place in PvE) it's really quite something of a bag of tricks for PvP -- even compared to the Domi. And that's a serious advantage. Seriously, what other ship has valid PvP fits with shield buffer tanks, active armor tanks, armor buffer tanks, arties, ACs, neuts, FMPs, blasters, rails, or RR? All while fielding (realistically) five bonused medium drones. One thing I have noticed is that people fail fit Mryms... A lot. All Tank active harders, Undersized Plates, Mixed Drone Sizes for engaging small targets, 1 Repper and many more. It has so much potential and dozens of great fits. I can push them past 600 DPS with Hammers and an Active Tank. With my skills and Auto's I can get it up to 500DPS with a duel cap set up and 37000 buffer. 6x 425mm Auto's 1x Sebo 1x Stasis Web 1x Warp Disruptor 1x MWD 1x Cap Booster II 2x Med Repper 2 1x EANM 1x DCU II 2x Gyro's 2x Nanobot pub 1x Nano Accel 7x Hammerheads (Cruiser Plus Group 2 Spares) 7x Warriors (Frig Group 2 Spares) 4x EC-600 1x EC-300 (ECM Group) You can remove a Gyro and add a ENAM if you have Dmg Dealers and it is gate tackle. Or add a Projectile Rig. Switch out to Blasters or Pulse if you have the skill. And this is just the Active Armor version. there is the 1600mm Buffer and the Sheild Version. 2 Extenders and an Invun + rigs and DCU. 6 425's, 2 TE's and 3 Gyro's plus Bonused Drones. On top of all of this it's warriors deal more dmg, meaning it makes a great frig killer if you sacrifice a High for a Nuet. Love this ship! Originally by: Diesel47 choose damage type. Autocannon Myrm can do that and gets the bonus, even when it isn't Kinetic. Besides Myrm is not a Range Boat. It is 100% small gang goodness w****d in versitility! -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Diesel47 Drake has the advantage of longer range and being able to choose damage type. Damage-selectable drones + free choice of turret systems + free choice of drone type (including sentries) would like to say he-llllooooà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Alara IonStorm ... This one is better for general solo/very small gang. Its pretty standard in lowsec these days. Ofc plated fits HAVE theirplace in pvp too. [Myrmidon, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25 Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I 500+dps 800+tank full tackle, 2 cap boosters
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/11/2010 13:40:58 Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Alara IonStorm ... This one is better for general solo/very small gang. Its pretty standard in lowsec these days. Ofc plated fits HAVE theirplace in pvp too. [Myrmidon, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25 Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I 500+dps 800+tank full tackle, 2 cap boosters 500 DPS with standard Ammo and no Gyro's? Also no drones are listed to compair DPS. anyway I heard both good and bad things bout the triple rep Myrm but 500 DPS? Is that the Ogre Set Up. Way more skill intensive and not as accurate as the Hammer Myrm. Plus not as much Drone back up including ECM. Also tank is limited by Cap Boosts still and you can only hold so many. I like the Sebo Duel model better but it is all up to taste really. But it has some good advantages. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:17:00 - [25] Lolz, ofc faction ammo, full flight of drones. Also use 800 cap boosters and exile. Without overheat.
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:13:00 - [26] Myrmidon = versitility. I didn't like it at first until I saw that its not just 1 or 2 trick pony like the other battlecruisers.
Petra Katell Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:43:00 - [27] Not gunna lie, I kinda miss my 5 heavy myrm. Triple rep AC myrm is still quite the beast. And it's v e r t i c a l
Roosterton Unlawful Combatants	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:57:00 - [28] I haven't flown Myrms very much, but from my perspective, they're pretty awesome. (The only reason I don't fly them too often is because nano-Hurricanes typically work better in hostile nullsec situations...) My one Myrmidon that I've ever lost went down in a glorious battle, on the side of "2" in a 2v5, taking down a Drake with it and sustaining over 40,000 damage from a Geddon, Hurricane, Eagle, Drake, and another Myrm. It nearly converted me into a full-time armor tanker -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Xanaan Zenithdul	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:12:00 - [29] Vexor, Myrmidon and Dominix, all can be used as 'hospital' ships. Carry cap boosters, repping drones, remote sensorboost, cap transfer/shield trasfer/remote repping etc etc etc... They are highly usefull in gangs and always welcomed.
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.11 18:35:00 - [30] The myrm is my favorite roaming bc. One of the few ships I actually like the active tank bonus on. The only thing it is NOT good at is being a part of a huge blob, boo hoo. If you want to participate in that kind of thing just train amarr like everyone else.

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