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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.08.08 06:44:00 -
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Jace Errata wrote:The hell is a "minning"?
It is what you do to Minnie 
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp.
NightSong Directorate
46
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:01:00 -
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Mericon wrote: I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.
Barges have been changed to be situation specific not role specific. Yes the Hulk still has max yield, but only in a group situation (mining ops, 4 character boxing with 1 hulk).
Solo mining in a hulk is no longer worth it, and players will have to switch to Mackinaws. Yes the per cycle yield is less, but per hour yield is higher. In fact in nearly all situations the only players who will be negativity affected by this are the dual boxing orca/hulk pilots (who will now yield more anyways in 2 mackinaws).
Also the only skills that are different for the hulk and mackinaw and skiff is 2 levels of exhumers, both of which receive bonuses from the skill anyways.
So you're asking if training an additional 12 hours a hulk in a skill that will benefit the other 2 exhumers?
" if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. " The hulk hasn't lost any benefits besides cargohold. You're not whining about it losing benefits, but really are whining about how people can get higher yields with less skills trained (wow 20 days early!). it has better tank, better yield, can now yield ice more than a mackinaw, etc. It is overall a much better ship in every way. People need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize per cycle yield isn't the most important thing with a mining barges (stop focusing on per cycle, and look at per hour yields).
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation
Deadly Unknown
406
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:04:00 -
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I HAVE ALSO BEEN ROBED.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8939
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:17:00 -
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Mericon wrote:The hulk should be King of all minning vessels No.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
524
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Grumpymunky wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:I wonder how many wardecs will result from that awful post... You won't be able to break his skiff anyway. Oh never mind, he'll still be sitting in his hulk complaining that it doesn't tank better than a skiff, carry on. Oh dear, looks like some BUFFZ are needed.
He has a robe and wizard hat, he can just cast some protection spells
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method
Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
173
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Posted - 2012.08.08 09:33:00 -
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Hulk still are king of asteroid belts but its still expensive and risky buissnes to use it, well CCP change at last other mining barges, i think covetor got decent mining efficienty and low cost... probably a lot people chose covetor as main mining barge.
Other barges with tank bonuses and low mining efficienty are good for people who are happy with low incomes or for newbis, who like to fell safe and mining with semi afk- or more chill mode mining with decent cargo-tank.
At last even low tier mining barges may be very good while mining operation + orca support.
Teemo for president. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
377
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:01:00 -
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Mericon wrote: I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.
remind me how your hulk is worse now than it was before the patch. please, i'd love to know.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
458
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:04:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Mericon wrote: I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game. remind me how your hulk is worse now than it was before the patch. please, i'd love to know.
I made the mistake of asking that before to someone.
They have minor complaints the size of a splinter but they argue like they just got run through with a tree.
Its easier to just assume they want their cake and the ability to eat it too.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:12:00 -
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Kind of glad I bought so many Skiffs at 144m each a few weeks ago . |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
377
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:13:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Dave stark wrote:Mericon wrote: I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game. remind me how your hulk is worse now than it was before the patch. please, i'd love to know. I made the mistake of asking that before to someone. They have minor complaints the size of a splinter but they argue like they just got run through with a tree. Its easier to just assume they want their cake and the ability to eat it too.
let's be honest the only issue with the hulk is the crystals, and since ccp aren't budging on the situation there's nothing we can do so we're going to have to deal with it. i'd love to see it increased but whatever, i play in the euro time zone so i can just cherry pick what i want and **** every one else. feel bad for the americans who log in once i'm done whoring all the good ores though.
beyond that the hulk is still the king of mining, let's face it most people put 2x mlus on it for max yield and **** the cargo space, and those who were flying max cargo hulks should have been smart enough to trade in before the patch and grabbed a mackinaw (and had isk left over).
the hulk is still a very strong mining ship; just not for mr 1 account without haulers trained.
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Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
35
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:34:00 -
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Mericon wrote: I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.
Someone's reading comprehension isn't up to scratch. IT is the best ship still... |
Amaron Ghant
Tritanium Space Whales
Sanctuary Pact
3
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:57:00 -
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I like the changes. |
Melodee619
The Scope
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:00:00 -
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The botters an afkers will eventually get hulks redone with Tengu level tank. CCP seem intent on making HS as safe as a warcraft game. :(.
They did it when Jihad was running, boosting concord, an they over reacted again today I think.Still, you can bet that hulks will be redone eventually.. Theres alot of the wow mentality in EVE these days, when they demand "or els" that it isn't fair joey has something they dont have (eg hulk out mining their skiff) |
tigger digger
Hundred Acre Mine Co.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:41:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:it still has the max yield if fit for max yield.
Actually, I measure yield by the amount of ore I actually refine and sell. Sure, each click of a strip miner yields (at most) 8% more than a Mackinaw. But I'm running back to drop off a load every 7 minutes. Let's say that takes 2 minutes to do. So, I lose 22% (2/9ths) of my mining time per load because of a limited hold.
OTOH, a Mackinaw mines 8% slower, but I only run back every 25 minutes, so I only lose 7% (2/27ths) of mining time per load. So, I gain 8% yield and lose 15% on time.
So, the Hulk went from the best solo mining barge to one that's really only "best" when mining with an Orca to hold the ore for you.
I do like the tanky changes, so I think they're good overall, but I was just frustrated having to invest another 275M isk on another mining barge.
Quote: if you have $20 and the guy next to you has $18 do you feel "robed" as well?
Depends. Was I told I could have $20? |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:46:00 -
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Lets see...
The blog came out... no one paid much attention...
The Beta went live on SISI.. I and a few other tested and posted... and posted and warned and posted...
And the rest slept until today... patch day... live change day and NOW you all pay attention and complain...
Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.
Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about.
To mine or not to mine... that is the quesiton. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
460
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:46:00 -
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tigger digger wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:it still has the max yield if fit for max yield. Actually, I measure yield by the amount of ore I actually refine and sell. Sure, each click of a strip miner yields (at most) 8% more than a Mackinaw. But I'm running back to drop off a load every 7 minutes. Let's say that takes 2 minutes to do. So, I lose 22% (2/9ths) of my mining time per load because of a limited hold. OTOH, a Mackinaw mines 8% slower, but I only run back every 25 minutes, so I only lose 7% (2/27ths) of mining time per load. So, I gain 8% yield and lose 15% on time. So, the Hulk went from the best solo mining barge to one that's really only "best" when mining with an Orca to hold the ore for you. I do like the tanky changes, so I think they're good overall, but I was just frustrated having to invest another 275M isk on another mining barge. Quote: if you have $20 and the guy next to you has $18 do you feel "robed" as well?
Depends. Was I told I could have $20?
Apparently with the barge changes, You believe Mining has become unbalanced. Have you considered another profession, like PvP perhaps or trading? I hear lo-sec gate campers are looking for people.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1256
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Posted - 2012.08.08 14:26:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.
Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about.
Oh ho, better ask for more buffs.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2012.08.08 18:22:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Aurelius Valentius wrote:Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.
Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about. Oh ho, better ask for more buffs.
Not at all, in fact I am finding this a nice change to the old way of mining - I may even grow to like these changes... and even perhaps use barges again...
My complain/admonishment isn't about CCP or the changes, it's about the attitude of the people that fail to notice, fail to test and to do anything other then sit until patch day and then act like this is the first it's been seen or done... rather than acknowledge they are to blame if they don't like it... blogs, test server and all..
If people do not take a hand in this games design feedback loop they have no reason to gripe when it's done... the old saying applies: If you don't make your own future, someone else will"
Mack-daddy is not the man!
To mine or not to mine... that is the quesiton. |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
47
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Posted - 2012.08.08 18:28:00 -
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Mericon wrote: I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.
So you gave CCP less money than if you plexed but you somehow feel this matter?
O RITE you must be too dumb to understand how PLEX works...
Kinda makes the rest of your post not matter.
But yes paying via cause I would say makes this a good *buy* game.
COD / WOW / HELLO KITTY ONLINE waits for you. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1847
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Posted - 2012.08.08 18:29:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:Lets see...
The blog came out... no one paid much attention...
The Beta went live on SISI.. I and a few other tested and posted... and posted and warned and posted...
And the rest slept until today... patch day... live change day and NOW you all pay attention and complain...
Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.
Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about.
Best part of all this is that the evil gankers were the ones who tested this on sisi and provided the feedback |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aurelius Valentius wrote:Lets see...
The blog came out... no one paid much attention...
The Beta went live on SISI.. I and a few other tested and posted... and posted and warned and posted...
And the rest slept until today... patch day... live change day and NOW you all pay attention and complain...
Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.
Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about. Best part of all this is that the evil gankers were the ones who tested this on sisi and provided the feedback
Oh that might be too tinfoil for me... but there was a serious lack of interest of participation in testing this and talking about it - I think the number of mining forum posters you could count on your fingers...
But I can say for what CCP did its better than it was... provided you had a hulk, Mack and Skiff in the hangar already, the prices are insane now... but will see... but barges are a viable ship with the ASB module now... so...tis what it is.
To mine or not to mine... that is the quesiton. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1260
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Posted - 2012.08.09 10:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aurelius Valentius wrote:Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.
Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about. Best part of all this is that the evil gankers were the ones who tested this on sisi and provided the feedback
Ganked in the forums, huh.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
440
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:26:00 -
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Hulks are now truly the king of mining to include Ice and Mercoxit
Where before Mack did ice and skiff did Mercoxit
So actually CCP gave you EXACTLY what you want.
Be thankful.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
pussnheels
512
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:36:00 -
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the OP should have read the Devblog better
The hulk is still king of the mining vessels
CCP only gave the miner the option to use the others aswell
Hulk --- corp mining ops with 1/2 dozen people or more full orca support and dedicated haulers
Mack-----> for those time you find yourself alone and do not trust your neighbours or sometimeswhen those pesky lowsec or nullsec rats are around
skiff----> for those who still need more tank deep in nullsec or WH or are absolute paranoid about being ganked
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
980
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:13:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Mericon wrote:I feel robed. ... and wizard-hatted!
Thread was pretty much over right here... well-played Grumpy :)
Here's your sign... |
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