I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels

I feel robed.

I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

Minning? Robed? Privlage? Good buy game?

Ignoring all that, this is yet another gank wine in disguise.

0/100.

... and wizard-hatted!

I wonder how many wardecs will result from that awful post...

You won't be able to break his skiff anyway. Oh never mind, he'll still be sitting in his hulk complaining that it doesn't tank better than a skiff, carry on.

Hulk still out mines everything, still the king of the mining ships. Not sure what you have to complain about.

What everyone else has said. Hulk is still a beast at pure mining. As a matter afact, it mines everything better than the other ships (Ice, Mercoxit) as well.

Wrong... A mack will out mine a Hulk when ice mining.. and a skiff is the best for mercoxit. they are bonused for it.

Wrong... A mack will out mine a Hulk when ice mining.. and a skiff is the best for mercoxit. they are bonused for it.

I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

Things change, I have 4 maxed exhumer characters and frankly I'm happy I can trade of some yield for a great tank.

Will I use a Hulk now? No thanks. For those that do crave Max yield they just need corp mates in combat ships to kill the gankers fast.

Wrong... A mack will out mine a Hulk when ice mining.. and a skiff is the best for mercoxit. they are bonused for it.

Procurer
Role is now mining barge with superior defenses
Mining Barge skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to shield hit points
Special bonus allows its 1 mining turret to have the mining output of 3 mining turrets
Slot layout: 1 High, 4 Mid, 2 Low
Fittings: 45 PWG, 250 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6000 / 5000 / 5500
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Signature radius: 200
Ore hold capacity: 12000
Cargo capacity: 350

Retriever
Role is now mining barge with superior ore hold capacity
Mining Barge skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to ore hold capacity
Special bonus allows its 2 mining turrets to have the output of 3 mining turrets
Slot layout: 2 High, 1 Mid, 3 Low
Fittings: 35 PWG, 235 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2300 / 1700 / 2000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Signature radius: 250
Ore hold capacity: 22000
Cargo capacity: 450

Covetor
Role is now a mining barge with superior mining output
Mining Barge skill bonus per level: 4% bonus to Strip Miner yield, 3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration
Slot layout: 3 High, 1 Mid, 2 Low
Fittings: 35 PWG, 255 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1700 / 1300 / 1500
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Signature radius: 150
Ore hold capacity: 7000
Cargo capacity: 350

Skiff
Role is now exhumer with superior defenses
Mining Barge skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to shield hit points, 5% bonus to all shield resistances
Exhumer skill bonus per level: 1% bonus to Strip Miner yield, 1% reduction in Ice Harvester duration
Special bonus allows its 1 mining turret to have the mining output of 3 mining turrets
Slot layout: 1 High, 5 Mid, 2 Low
Fittings: 50 PWG, 270 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 5500 / 6000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Signature radius: 200
Ore hold capacity: 15000
Cargo capacity: 350

Mackinaw
Role is now exhumer with superior ore hold capacity
Mining Barge skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to ore hold capacity, 5% bonus to all shield resistances
Exhumer skill bonus per level: 1% bonus to Strip Miner yield, 1% reduction in Ice Harvester duration
Special bonus allows its 2 mining turrets to have the output of 3 mining turrets
Slot layout: 2 High, 4 Mid, 3 Low
Fittings: 35 PWG, 270 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 3000 / 2300 / 2700
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Signature radius: 250
Ore hold capacity: 28000Cargo capacity: 450

Hulk
Role is now exhumer with superior mining output
Mining Barge skill bonus per level: 3% bonus to Strip Miner yield, 5% bonus to all shield resistances
Exhumer skill bonus per level: 3% bonus to Strip Miner yield, 4% reduction in Ice Harvester duration
Slot layout: 3 High, 4 Mid, 2 Low
Fittings: 35 PWG, 300 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2200 / 1800 / 2000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Signature radius: 150
Ore hold capacity: 8500
Cargo capacity: 350

The hulk should be King of all minning vessels

I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers.

if you kill the hulks massive benifits

I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed

but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

It's like he wrote it out in plain English and then went back to deliberately misspell a few words.

Not after tonight the mack and skiff loose those bonuses.

I feel robed.

I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

Tonight?? What happened to "we want to speed things up and deliver the following for winter."? Winter comes four months early this year.

The hell is a "minning"?

I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

The hulk should be King of all minning vessels

Oh dear, looks like some BUFFZ are needed.

I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

remind me how your hulk is worse now than it was before the patch. please, i'd love to know.

I made the mistake of asking that before to someone.

They have minor complaints the size of a splinter but they argue like they just got run through with a tree.

Its easier to just assume they want their cake and the ability to eat it too.

I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

it still has the max yield if fit for max yield.

if you have $20 and the guy next to you has $18 do you feel "robed" as well?

Actually, I measure yield by the amount of ore I actually refine and sell. Sure, each click of a strip miner yields (at most) 8% more than a Mackinaw. But I'm running back to drop off a load every 7 minutes. Let's say that takes 2 minutes to do. So, I lose 22% (2/9ths) of my mining time per load because of a limited hold.

OTOH, a Mackinaw mines 8% slower, but I only run back every 25 minutes, so I only lose 7% (2/27ths) of mining time per load. So, I gain 8% yield and lose 15% on time.

So, the Hulk went from the best solo mining barge to one that's really only "best" when mining with an Orca to hold the ore for you.

I do like the tanky changes, so I think they're good overall, but I was just frustrated having to invest another 275M isk on another mining barge.



Depends. Was I told I could have $20?

Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.

Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about.

Oh ho, better ask for more buffs.

I have recently read the up grades to all the minning ships. The hulk should be King of all minning vessels Im a maxed out minner with a alt that is a maxed orca boost and a roqual pilot. I have a large portion of skill points dedicated to this. I agree that minning ships need beter protection from gankers. but the inprovment to the small and mid size minning ships are so great why would any one want to fly a hulk.
if you kill the hulks massive benifits why the hell fly it its not worth traning for it. I feel robed. I have always paid cash for my eve time and never plexed always felt it a privlage to play this game. but if you do this to the hulk good buy game.

Lets see...

The blog came out... no one paid much attention...
The Beta went live on SISI.. I and a few other tested and posted... and posted and warned and posted...

And the rest slept until today... patch day... live change day and NOW you all pay attention and complain...

Too late, it's done... and CCP gave people enough time to chime in, the resources to test... and we "Carebears" where shouted down in the forums by trolls, griefers and so this is the way it went.

Good job community - I can live with the changes but for the prople that can't ...well you get what you didn't bother to do anything about.

Best part of all this is that the evil gankers were the ones who tested this on sisi and provided the feedback

Best part of all this is that the evil gankers were the ones who tested this on sisi and provided the feedback

... and wizard-hatted!