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kano donn Right Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:05:00 - [1] Say the pod pilots dont want to fight back for a system.... I assume the longer the Sansha are in a system, the harder they will be to kick out.
Black Dranzer	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:07:00 - [2] Originally by: kano donn Say the pod pilots dont want to fight back for a system.... I assume the longer the Sansha are in a system, the harder they will be to kick out. I was under the impression that after a week they just pack up and leave. -------------------------------------------------- Learning skills are an ultimatum, not a choice.
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Black Dranzer Originally by: kano donn Say the pod pilots dont want to fight back for a system.... I assume the longer the Sansha are in a system, the harder they will be to kick out. I was under the impression that after a week they just pack up and leave. Nope. Unless they are pushed back, they just stay in the affected constellation, blocking all cynos and pretty much making missioning impossible.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:10:00 - [4] if?
Captian Conrad Minmatar Empyrean Warriors	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Nope. Unless they are pushed back, they just stay in the affected constellation, blocking all cynos and pretty much making missioning impossible. This just got EPIC! _________________________________ Looking for cool pilots, check our advert
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Kalle Demos if? Read it again, there was no if.
kano donn Right Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:26:00 - [7] There was an if in the title. So there is no plan for a continued Sansha attack?
KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:27:00 - [8] If the Sansha win, we'll have x-ray body scans and intrusive pat down searches every time we leave station. KB Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
GIGAR Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:29:00 - [9] I Sansha win, everyone will become overpowered, and we will go kill the Jovians. ------------ "I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." - Heavy Weapons Guy
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:34:00 - [10] If Sanshas win, don't we all become mindless zombie slaves to sansha himself? Akkarin I don't mean to sound bitter and twisted, but I am, so that's how it comes out. <3 - Immy

Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:36:00 - [11] Technically we are all mindless zombies, lets join Sansha Nation and shoot Jamyl Sarum in the face
Dr Karsun Gallente Coffee Lovers Brewing Club	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:45:00 - [12] I think they are attacking and not staying for long, they kill and purge whatever they can and move out. It can take a week, maybe more, no idea, haven't read any dev blog about maximum duration. Especiall if with every hour there will be more and more sanshas. Or even a hostile takeover of a station in high sec? Sounds yummy. BTW - if sanshas appear in high sec... Does concord stop to work? It would be quite obvious it would, since they don't appear to kick the sansha ass pirates, they shouldn't come to shoot any pirates.
xeno1008 Paragon Group	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Kalle Demos lets join Sansha Nation and shoot Jamyl Sarum in the face Sounds hot, cant wait
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:53:00 - [14] This topic just gave me an incredible idea.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Dr Karsun BTW - if sanshas appear in high sec... Does concord stop to work? It would be quite obvious it would, since they don't appear to kick the sansha ass pirates, they shouldn't come to shoot any pirates. Would be nice. Some sort of Sansha/player actions that tic the system sec status up or down depending on the actions of either. Would drive more people than just RP'ers to Sansha's side. Who knows.. this may be a prelude to some grand plan. All systems can dip into 0.0 status with the empire in control of such system, loses control. And then player alliances can claim sov. Add more to fw.. empire NPCs ships AI.. all out universal war were empire clash with player empires. Epic battles over Jita 4 between a Caldari/Gallente empire n player militia alliance vs say, the Goons for control of the entire system, as an example. Amarr prime with IT hotdropping some SCs on top of the Amarrian grand navy of paladins, and crazy counter hotdrops her Abaddon loaded with Isogen-5. One can dream.. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 20/11/2010 20:03:41 Originally by: Captian Conrad Originally by: Tyber Zaan Nope. Unless they are pushed back, they just stay in the affected constellation, blocking all cynos and pretty much making missioning impossible. This just got EPIC! would be superepic if the incursion effects (but no sites) slowly expanded throughout the region if the sansha weren't defeated. Imagine a lowsec incursion into somewhere like The Forge slowly consuming carebear missionhubs and alliance logistics points. Best lowsec boost ever, imho _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:29:00 - [17] So eventually Sanshas will control most of Curse, Stain Syndicate various other pockets of 0.0 NPC space. I suspect that they will also end up controlling much of lowsec once it becomes cool to gank anyone trying to free it up. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Zverofaust Gallente Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:30:00 - [18] If it's superepic than it likely won't be included. Going by the "What CCP Promises vs. What CCP Delivers" scale, what'll end up happening is that belt rats will be replaced with Sansha rats (if they weren't already), and that's about it. Some RP posts about the formation of a few dozen interstellar treaty organizations to fight the "Sansha threat" will be made, maybe another Eve novel will be written about it, etc. I'd be very surprised if it lived up to even 1/4 of what it's being trumped up to be. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:36:00 - [19] 2000 man fleet > Sansha No way we'll lose. ------
Medarr Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Kalle Demos Technically we are all mindless zombies, lets join Sansha Nation and shoot Jamyl Sarum in the face All in due time.

Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Ghoest So eventually Sanshas will control most of Curse, Stain Syndicate various other pockets of 0.0 NPC space. I suspect that they will also end up controlling much of lowsec once it becomes cool to gank anyone trying to free it up. i'm presuming there's some sort of global limit on the number of incursions though _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.11.20 22:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate would be superepic if the incursion effects (but no sites) slowly expanded throughout the region if the sansha weren't defeated. Imagine a lowsec incursion into somewhere like The Forge slowly consuming carebear missionhubs and alliance logistics points. Best lowsec boost ever, imho Confirming superepicness of this idea. The whining would be superepic also. -----SIGNATURE----- Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Captain Mung	Posted - 2010.11.20 23:15:00 - [23] The Sansha will smear the stations and gates with their poo... just like they did with their Nightmares.
Cmdr Baxter Caldari The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2010.11.20 23:17:00 - [24] Originally by: kano donn Say the pod pilots dont want to fight back for a system.... I assume the longer the Sansha are in a system, the harder they will be to kick out. I can see problems with mustering enough pilots to fight back in nullsec. NBSI has that effect, but more importantly the nullsec corporations and alliances have been the ones most resistant to this expansion. So they'll be stuck with an invasion on their doorstep, and according to some reports gangs with a 5:1 numerical advantage are getting beaten by gate guards on Sisi. So I say 'good luck' with fending off incursions in nullsec. Empire space is going to be a whole other story. Corporations are already mustering up to fight Nation in empire. I'm not saying it'll be easy, but I don't see a 0.5+ system going uncontested. -------------------- But I've a rendezvous with Death At midnight in some flaming town ... And I to my pledged word am true, I shall not fail that rendezvous.
Sporked	Posted - 2010.11.20 23:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Guilliman R 2000 man fleet > Sansha No way we'll lose. Sure, if you can find another 49 HQ level plexes for the other 1960 people in your fleet :3
Ivanna Nuke Gallente Daralux	Posted - 2010.11.20 23:23:00 - [26] They do not have cowbell, so their roses will not banana the oranges to make more of who to the I of myself, thus causing when of then to me of I to become more then who said of me to yourself.
Max Cetera Capital Researchs Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.21 00:50:00 - [27] Edited by: Max Cetera on 21/11/2010 00:51:15 Originally by: Sporked Originally by: Guilliman R 2000 man fleet > Sansha No way we'll lose. Sure, if you can find another 49 HQ level plexes for the other 1960 people in your fleet :3 You can ~~****~~ (wtf at censorship ?) have sexual relations with sanshas against their will with 2000 people NC style. You just won't get any ISK/LP reward for it
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.21 01:19:00 - [28] The expansion becomes just another host of broken mechanics.
Inipinipocoloco	Posted - 2010.11.21 02:06:00 - [29] <bleep> ...i welcome our new sansha overlords...<bleep>
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.11.21 03:08:00 - [30] Originally by: kano donn Say the pod pilots dont want to fight back for a system.... I assume the longer the Sansha are in a system, the harder they will be to kick out. Haha... there are so many carebears in this game that this would be 100% impossible. I'm just waiting for the threads on this forum from people that are complaining about how many other players rush to Incursion battle sites and that rewards are pathetic (because everyone wants in).

Cobalt Sixty Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.21 03:38:00 - [31] Answering the question "... if the Sansha win?" - I hope you'll like whatever Sansha Kuvakei likes you to like.
Tarac Nor Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.21 03:49:00 - [32] Resistance is futile....
Doctor Carbonatite	Posted - 2010.11.21 04:17:00 - [33] I have to say, it would be beyond amazing if there are actual consequences for failing to repel an incursion. Consequently, it will probably not be the case.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.21 05:11:00 - [34] Nullsec alliances will probably only participate if their staging systems get cynojammed by Sanshas. In those cases expect the system to get locked down and the system quickly rid of sanshas, at which point we will bugger off and lol at the LP they give us.
Max Cetera Capital Researchs Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.21 05:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Iamien Nullsec alliances will finally find a use for all their carebears too afraid to fight Fixed that for you.
Lemmy Kravitz Minmatar Rebirth.	Posted - 2010.11.21 08:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 21/11/2010 08:19:11 I will be cloaked off of Jita 4-4 to watch the incursion. Lemmy is all for non consensual PVE. I can deal with that. ------------------------------------------------- "Vae Victis" -Brennus
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.21 08:20:00 - [37] It WOULD be cool if in post-Incursion EvE the Sansha become a fifth empire faction.
Carola Kessler	Posted - 2010.11.21 08:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer It WOULD be cool if in post-Incursion EvE the Sansha become a fifth empire faction. There allready is a Fifth Epire faction.....The Jovians are part from the Great Concil in Yulai, Sahnsha's Nation is technically nothing less then Pirate faction / Originally started as a private Corp by Sansha Kuwakei back over 100 years in the past before Sansha Kuwakei got totally mad and Insane and reached for Empire Power builded up a Threat against the other Factions. Read back the full story about Sansha's rose and fall in the Archives and stuff.
hired goon	Posted - 2010.11.21 14:49:00 - [39] Two questions result from reading this thread. 1. When we say mission running will be "pretty much impossible", how impossible are we talking? 2. Can players help the sanshas? If not actively by ambushing carebears doing the plexes, then passively, by not ignoring the incursion? What about underhanded schemes? If Jita is incursioned and missions there deactivated, could a fleet of pirates prevent carebears 'unlocking' the system, by bumping & targetting carebears en masse, while salvaging their wrecks or something? -omg-
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.11.21 15:45:00 - [40] Originally by: hired goon Two questions result from reading this thread. 1. When we say mission running will be "pretty much impossible", how impossible are we talking? 2. Can players help the sanshas? If not actively by ambushing carebears doing the plexes, then passively, by not ignoring the incursion? What about underhanded schemes? If Jita is incursioned and missions there deactivated, could a fleet of pirates prevent carebears 'unlocking' the system, by bumping & targetting carebears en masse, while salvaging their wrecks or something? Another blow to the mission runners..cant wait for the forum rage and the mass quitting.Its going to be funny,well worth sticking around for.In my own opinion this is going to fail hard..mark my words because I will say I told you so.

Sidrat Flush Caldari Eve Industrial Corp	Posted - 2010.11.21 23:01:00 - [41] This blog details what they want to happen during an Incursion http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=819 Dev blogs aren't usually written for the sake of being written, they should be read. Enjoy. View The Eve Industrial Organiser Site
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.11.21 23:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 20/11/2010 20:03:41 Originally by: Captian Conrad Originally by: Tyber Zaan Nope. Unless they are pushed back, they just stay in the affected constellation, blocking all cynos and pretty much making missioning impossible. This just got EPIC! would be superepic if the incursion effects (but no sites) slowly expanded throughout the region if the sansha weren't defeated. Imagine a lowsec incursion into somewhere like The Forge slowly consuming carebear missionhubs and alliance logistics points. Best lowsec boost ever, imho I am intrigued by your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Phantom Slave Universal Pest Exterminators	Posted - 2010.11.21 23:19:00 - [43] Originally by: hired goon Two questions result from reading this thread. 1. When we say mission running will be "pretty much impossible", how impossible are we talking? 2. Can players help the sanshas? If not actively by ambushing carebears doing the plexes, then passively, by not ignoring the incursion? What about underhanded schemes? If Jita is incursioned and missions there deactivated, could a fleet of pirates prevent carebears 'unlocking' the system, by bumping & targetting carebears en masse, while salvaging their wrecks or something? From the dev blog on Incursions Originally by: "Dev Blog" In addition, systems invaded by Sanshas will receive certain system wide effects that affect all players inside them: + Reduction of all shield/armor resistances + Reduction of turret, missile, drone and smartbomb damage + Jamming of cynosural fields throughout the system + Reduction of 50% on all NPC bounties
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Angry Dogs	Posted - 2010.11.21 23:31:00 - [44] I for one welcome our new pointy overloards and look forwards to cheap nightmares for sale.
James Copper Minmatar Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.11.21 23:40:00 - [45] They won't be for sale, they'll be handed to the next batch of borg sansha turns out. As for all the hopes it will turn epic and world changing, this is one carebear who thinks it should if they are going to do it at all. Of course, I also think we should be allowed to pod anyone helping sansha out, but hey, if you are going to pipe dream, smoke the good stuff. I'll have to do more reading and research before I know if I will enjoy this "update" or no. When all is said and done, there is usually more said than done.
kano donn Right Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.22 05:48:00 - [46] I would like to see the political landscape of the universe change more. I believe this to be a good start. After the Sansha incursion is pushed back and we pod pilots destroy the wormhole that holds all the Sansha power, i would love to see the other empires try this same thing. Yes FW tried this, but it was way to weak of an attempt. Hopefully this next patch will pave the way.
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2010.11.22 07:51:00 - [47] Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 22/11/2010 07:51:55 As far as Incursion mechanics go, I'm pretty sure after the week is over they pack up and leave. Perhaps a memo gets released with whatever objective they want being completed. As far as storyline goes, couple different routes for that. Utilizing the power of knowledge of EVE not seemingly ending any time soon: the Sansha will not achieve "world ending" results. The hyper-cliche and cop out route would be for the Empires to discover some asinine weakness the Sansha possess, attack it, and undo a century of work over a downtime event. Another possibility is the Sansha achieve some objective that does not entail the destruction/enslavement of the Empires and return to their sovereign space for one reason or another. Third possibility is that the empires find a way to turn the incursions into a stalemate, keeping Sansha out of high security but not being able to completely decimate the new Nation. I'm personally fond of anything except the cliche route being realized :) edit; clarifying statement ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.22 08:49:00 - [48] Originally by: hired goon Two questions result from reading this thread. 1. When we say mission running will be "pretty much impossible", how impossible are we talking? Currently on Sisi 10% less damage from the players ships, 10% more damage against the players ships in a system . That mean that the player weapons (drone included) will do 10% less damage and that you get 10% more damage after the effect of resistances, i.e. if, outside the invaded system, the attacker is doing 100 damage and you have 90% resists you will get damaged for 10, inside a invaded system if the attacker is doing 100 damage your resists are lowered to 89% and you get 11 point of damage. Note that if you have 30% resists against the same attack you will get damaged for 70 hp outside the invasion area and for 77 hp inside the invasion area (and your lowered resists will be 23%). Pimped ships and players with plenty of SP will be moderately inconvenienced in missions (Sansha are another matter as they dish a lot of damage, use remote rep and so on) while young players that struggle with normal missions will have plenty of problems. The 50% reduction of the bounties will have a larger effect in discouraging mission running in the area for experienced players.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.11.22 10:05:00 - [49] Originally by: Zverofaust If it's superepic than it likely won't be included. Going by the "What CCP Promises vs. What CCP Delivers" scale, what'll end up happening is that belt rats will be replaced with Sansha rats (if they weren't already), and that's about it. Some RP posts about the formation of a few dozen interstellar treaty organizations to fight the "Sansha threat" will be made, maybe another Eve novel will be written about it, etc. I'd be very surprised if it lived up to even 1/4 of what it's being trumped up to be. +1
Corbeau Lenoir ZER0. IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.22 10:19:00 - [50] I'll be waiting for Sansha to establish HQ in Jita...

Drakarin Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.11.22 11:03:00 - [51] Originally by: Dr Karsun I think they are attacking and not staying for long, they kill and purge whatever they can and move out. It can take a week, maybe more, no idea, haven't read any dev blog about maximum duration. Especiall if with every hour there will be more and more sanshas. Or even a hostile takeover of a station in high sec? Sounds yummy. BTW - if sanshas appear in high sec... Does concord stop to work? It would be quite obvious it would, since they don't appear to kick the sansha ass pirates, they shouldn't come to shoot any pirates. Doesn't really make any sense as far as concord is concerned. They're able to take on anything (even super capitals), are invulnerable, you can't even target them, and can go anywhere, they can even warp into deadspace areas. Why should we worry about some pirate scum invasion when we have an invulnerable police force?
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.22 11:04:00 - [52] Thats the thing with scripted events - they do not win. They just idle there for a bit and eventually someone comes and kills them or they .. dunno .. wander off ? Just sit there for years doing nothing ?
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.11.22 11:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Taedrin I am intrigued by your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Originally by: baltec1 I for one welcome our new pointy overloards and look forwards to cheap nightmares for sale. In Soviet Russia Nightmare sells you?
Marak Mocam	Posted - 2010.11.22 13:08:00 - [54] Initially -- scramble mode to do them wherever they appear. After that... Ugly. If you can get rid of the penalties by cleaning a system, highsec systems and nullsec systems (that are staging areas or SOV) will be cleaned up. Other spots will be left alone. To do lowsec or nullsec that isn't in "Secure" areas, you'll need patrol groups to deal with gates, stations and the pirates while other fleets are doing the complexes -- those troopers get zip for watching the complex runners backs. As such, I don't see many PvE types being all that thrilled with the idea of cleaning up system messes in lowsec and unclaimed nullsec. No, I don't see a lot of volunteers lining up for gate/station camp duty in lowsec systems when they get nothing but "warm fuzzies" for seeing the mess is 'safely' cleaned up... They'll just move hubs and leave it go if they get nothing from complex running to clean a given system.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.11.22 13:43:00 - [55] There will be christmas presents raining down our chimmeys and smoke stacks. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
Indeterminacy THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.22 15:05:00 - [56] I, for one, welcome our new Sansha overlords.
Narisa Bithon Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.22 15:57:00 - [57] so will angel rats be getting a giant poo too?
Buzz Killingdon	Posted - 2010.11.22 17:35:00 - [58] There will be no Concord intervention. Concord is around to police the pod pilots (Someone asked about this earlier). What about WHs? Will there be incursions in WHs?
oolk Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.11.22 17:48:00 - [59] Typically,past incursions ended after the Sanshas harvested a few planets of a damn good portion of their inhabitants; I wonder if that will have an effect on PI as if they kidnap the citizens,who will operate the harvesters.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.11.22 17:52:00 - [60] Pinhead made some Sansha friends.



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