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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.23 10:57:00 -
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àbtw, it's not even a matter of old vs. new, and no every pilot will not be able to produce something at a whim. You will still have to train the exact same skills to the exact same levels ù hell, with the new system, the skills (in particular the scanning ones) actually matter more than they did before.
You will now have to plan a whole lot more than before, when any old fool who could stand the clickfrenzy could just set up shop and get on with business ù now they actually have to stop and think and adjust their production lines.
So yes, more people might try it because the UI actually works now; fewer will be successful at ità |
Amy Garzan
Gallente
The Warp Rats
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Posted - 2010.11.23 16:03:00 -
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is the new PI deployed? Im on sisi now and its still the old system... |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.23 16:23:00 -
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Once again proof that people will complain about anything, no matter how much of an improvement it is.
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 Originally by: CCP Ginger
Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.23 16:40:00 -
[34]
Well, I'm still on this side of the fence and you can second guess me all you like.
I'm as ready to adapt now as I ever was and looking forward to it.
'glad you got your shots in and took the time to aim, (it helps to aim -p)
So November 30th, just a few more days !!!
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.11.23 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Zagdul on 23/11/2010 21:44:47
Originally by: Rupicolous
You have got to be joking .........
- After training several characters ('not specifying exact number) for over 3 months each to lvl 5's across the board for PI
- After spending millions on skill books and Command Centers
- After using countless hours to create and deploy colony placement and strategy
- After training myself to endure the clickfest of extraction
You simply 1 expansion later try to turn the extraction into a virtually 1 click affair so that every pilot in eve can produce something on a whim ???
To say i'm dissapointed would be an understatment. ****ed off and outraged would be closer to the true feelings I have developed for this new PI and it has very little to do with anger management.
Please convince me i'm wrong, please tell me the prices are NOT going to plummet along with the profits for the unbelievably strong efforts i've put into PI.
There has been 1 other occasion where I felt like cancelling each and every subscription to this game and now ........ i'm truly considering it again.
Change tile to -PI JOY!-
It's not a joke, it's true and awesome.
Oh, and before you get upset about the "time you wasted" training PI skills... You're playing a video game. Your time really isn't that valuable. It's a VIDEO GAME.
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Korran Minare
Gallente
Neo Corp
The Ronin Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.11.24 02:00:00 -
[36]
well for me less clicks will make it easier to make pos fuels for my corp, and to the OP here is some vagasil to ease your pain |
Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.24 06:36:00 -
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To the OP...welcome to the ****ing club. Either get used to it or get the **** out. They take an ubsurdly boring and aggrevating process that just ****es people off in the game...simplify it so more people will want to use it...and all you can do is *****?
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.24 11:00:00 -
[38]
WTS 300 Adv. Plasma CCs Worthless when the PI changes arrive.
But seriously, these things happen. I for one, will be happy I can engage on PI on a larger scale without having to worry about RSI. Also, More complex = better.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.11.24 11:16:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Milo Caman
WTS 300 Adv. Plasma CCs Worthless when the PI changes arrive.
But seriously, these things happen. I for one, will be happy I can engage on PI on a larger scale without having to worry about RSI. Also, More complex = better.
WTB Large control tower - 80 mil 
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Reddx Panther
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Posted - 2010.11.24 11:38:00 -
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Had a heavy laugh at the whining in that thread. If CCP turned the PI click orgy into a game mechanic where in the future you'll have to use your brain to make a good profit, then yes, I think I understand why you are upset.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.24 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 24/11/2010 11:49:56
Originally by: Rupicolous
Originally by: Durzel
CCP PLEASE FORCE PLAYERS TO CLICK LIKE MAD TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING IN PI! IT IS HOW I MEASURE MY SKILL
Fools like you are my case in point. "Click like mad". You are so weak you can't wrap your little mind around a concept that involves clicking like every other concept in the game. "Like mad" cause you can't extract enough entertainment value from it ??? "Like Mad" because you do not know how to pace yourself or are so impatient results don't come quick enough.
It is hardly the end of discussion, in fact the discussion has just begun.
Be all means carry on making a meagre (by comparison) income from the click-fest, I'll carry on making ridiculous ISK from other means that don't involve having RSI in my 30s.
Also u mad bro. Over a game. Yep, you sure have the moral high ground.
Originally by: Reddx Panther
Had a heavy laugh at the whining in that thread. If CCP turned the PI click orgy into a game mechanic where in the future you'll have to use your brain to make a good profit, then yes, I think I understand why you are upset.
Fantastically succinct barb. 
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:11:00 -
[42]
keep em comin
too funny .........
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:32:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Desert Ice78 on 24/11/2010 16:33:09
To the OP:
There is a difference between making a big personal effort and sadomasochism.
You are most deffinatly in the latter group if you want to retain the current PI model.
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:37:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Rupicolous on 24/11/2010 16:44:48
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Edited by: Desert Ice78 on 24/11/2010 16:33:09
To the OP:
There is a difference between making a big personal effort and sadomasochism.
You are most deffinatly in the latter group if you want to retain the current PI model.
Ironically, I almost agree with you !!!
The very essence which made it so genuine, also seemed to seperate the men from the boys. (so to speak)
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Azia Khanid
Amarr
Sausages of Truth
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:59:00 -
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And yet nobody thought to introduce "Right Click" -> "Undercut all by 0.01 isk".
PI RSI is bad because.....?
Market RSI is good because.....? |
Lirinas
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Posted - 2010.11.24 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lirinas on 24/11/2010 17:34:22
I'm quite ready for the improved PI-UI to be implemented, but are we actually going to see it on the 30th? However, it appears that it won't be implemented until the final, full release of Incarna in January, according to this Dev Post
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1417381&page=1#8
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.24 18:01:00 -
[47]
Awsome
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gas guzzler
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Posted - 2010.11.24 18:10:00 -
[48]
thank u CCP, b/c of this change, i will be re-activating my main after incursion hits. dont listen to the OP ******
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.24 18:32:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Rupicolous
You have got to be joking .........
- After training several characters ('not specifying exact number) for over 3 months each to lvl 5's across the board for PI
- After spending millions on skill books and Command Centers
- After using countless hours to create and deploy colony placement and strategy
- After training myself to endure the clickfest of extraction
You simply 1 expansion later try to turn the extraction into a virtually 1 click affair so that every pilot in eve can produce something on a whim ???
To say i'm dissapointed would be an understatment. ****ed off and outraged would be closer to the true feelings I have developed for this new PI and it has very little to do with anger management.
Please convince me i'm wrong, please tell me the prices are NOT going to plummet along with the profits for the unbelievably strong efforts i've put into PI.
There has been 1 other occasion where I felt like cancelling each and every subscription to this game and now ........ i'm truly considering it again.
Hey, now you know how I felt after they dumbed down exploration.
Welcome to the club. 
New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker |
Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.24 18:56:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Rupicolous on 24/11/2010 19:04:45
I have truly embraced the current PI and will continue to do so until Incursion takes it's place.
As far as i'm concerned, let the bed wetters cry themselves to sleep every night.
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Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
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Posted - 2010.11.25 00:14:00 -
[51]
Robotics will get cheaper?
Thank god...
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.11.25 00:36:00 -
[52]
Best troll post ever?
Can't be serious, Shirley?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rupicolous on 26/11/2010 17:35:33
I just spent 1 hr this morning resetting extractors for my main and various alts, while in between each planet, warping to the customs office for each to pick up materials.
So what is the big deal, if I didn't have the time or wasn't into it, I would either chose a longer extraction cycle or run a mission or play the market or ........
The point is, PI was well thought out and gives fine choices for any player willing to INVEST the time and energy into it.
Yes you should have to buy a new command center if you upgrade and yes you should have to replace structures if you commit them to a wrong location.
It is the same risk vs reward we find throughout the rest of the game.
If a player is complaining because PI takes 10 minutes of game time several times a day they are obviously not a player interested in industry - these are the same players that ***** about mining being so boring - these are the same players who have never created anything with a blueprint because it took to long to gather materials and produce - these are the same players that embrace PvP but want Industry to become a passive income on the side.
CCP needs to stop catering to the new players and remain loyal to the dedicated factions that have already been created within the strucure of the game itself.
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.26 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rupicolous on 26/11/2010 22:28:55
Just spent another hr and no big deal.
I really don't see what the problem is.
If you want material then get clickin.
Everyone just wants another "I WIN" button.
I'm content working for my profits, thank you very much.
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.27 03:32:00 -
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Like usual i've been on the 5 hour cycles and just wrapped up another hours worth between my main and several alts.
Still reaping the benefits of my efforts without any desire for it to come easier.
When you do more it means you want something.
If you want to make a profit don't make it easier and dilute the market with cheap materials in even more vast quantities.
Stay with the current setup and let players work for what they get .........
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.27 06:24:00 -
[56]
If your profit depends on broken UI design, as it does here, then you deserve the poor house. People still have to nurse their PI infrastructure and they still have to haul a lot of stuff. In other words, they still have to work for good PI return. That will keep PI production from getting out of control.
I understand why you're upset, Rupicolous. I just don't have any respect for your "problem". Gimme your stuff when you emoragequit.
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.27 09:32:00 -
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Alright, just finished my 4th and final reset on the extractors for today and yes it took me another hour total.
Not a problem at all and 'really don't need to see extraction made any easier
Keep it similar so the market won't be flooded and profits can remain resonable.
Till tomorrow then, goodnight.
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Korran Minare
Gallente
Neo Corp
The Ronin Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.11.27 13:50:00 -
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part of the problem is your doing 5 hour extractions, just set the things for a day and call it gravy
Originally by: Korran Minare
what would you put on space pizza anyway????
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.27 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rupicolous
Alright, just finished my 4th and final reset on the extractors for today and yes it took me another hour total.
Yet another example of why PI won't flood the markets (except from the hardcore people). Who's going to log in every five hours to update their extractors? You're getting much more production out of your PI setup than lazy people will.
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Rupicolous
Higher Ground
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Posted - 2010.11.27 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Korran Minare
part of the problem is your doing 5 hour extractions, just set the things for a day and call it gravy
Not a problem for me, i'm not complaining at all. In fact, here it is bright and early the very next day and I have just busted out another 1 hr session with PI.
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Yet another example of why PI won't flood the markets (except from the hardcore people). Who's going to log in every five hours to update their extractors? You're getting much more production out of your PI setup than lazy people will.
True, I am milking it hard but the sheer number of players involved will always keep the market in supply with demand only becoming an issue in smaller less populated solar systems. The last thing anyone running PI for profit needs is even more dilution of the market value, which will come with oversupply because PI becomes so easy it doesn't take any time or thought. If it becomes just a 1 click affair it also becomes worthless.
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