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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:46:00 -
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I think this is a bit of a **** up by CCP.
Rigs were originally introduced as a positive modification to your ship at the expense of some negative modification. The only exception being Energy (Capacitor) type rigs.
By making these rigs have no drawbacks but benefitting mining efficiency/speed you're effectively making them the same as modules that will be essential on almost every mining ship (bait ships etc excluded).
Just wondered if CCP would comment on this addition and comment on how they see this fit in with rigs in general in the future. Why have any drawbacks on any rigs anymore then I think is a valid question?
Comment, speculation, abuse all welcome. Cheers.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
473
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:47:00 -
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Shield capacity. 'Nuff said.
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:48:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Shield capacity. 'Nuff said.
Sig radius bloom. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1664
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:48:00 -
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the drawback is that they preclude the fitting of a shield rig
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4401
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:49:00 -
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The icon is drawback enough.
/c
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
162
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:51:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:the drawback is that they preclude the fitting of a shield rig
Exactly my point. The choice becomes exactly the same as fitting an extra module in a free slot. Which rigs were never meant to be just additional slots. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1856
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:53:00 -
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Fit a mining rig, lose out on tank. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:53:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The icon is drawback enough.
/c
Heh, but the question is.... have you been able to, or would you put them on the Veldnaught ?  |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1664
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:56:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:the drawback is that they preclude the fitting of a shield rig Exactly my point. The choice becomes exactly the same as fitting an extra module in a free slot. Which rigs were never meant to be just additional slots.
every electronics rig lacks drawbacks, as do PG/capacitor rigs
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4402
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:59:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:Chribba wrote:The icon is drawback enough.
/c Heh, but the question is.... have you been able to, or would you put them on the Veldnaught ?
For two - or three reasons I will not.
- Can't fit Ice Harvesters
- No Mercoxit in Amarr
- I need the cargo rigs since Dreads has no Ore bay (yet)
/c
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
162
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:09:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:the drawback is that they preclude the fitting of a shield rig Exactly my point. The choice becomes exactly the same as fitting an extra module in a free slot. Which rigs were never meant to be just additional slots. every electronics rig lacks drawbacks, as do PG/capacitor rigs
Energy rigs I already mentioned but yes some of the electronics rigs do have no drawbacks, but then they added the new:
Processor Overclocking Unit I - this adds CPU at the expense of like 5% shield recharge rate.
Another example of inconsistency I'm talking about. why have drawbacks at all on any rigs if CCP are now pushing them out (with consideration to balancing) as if they are just modules to be plugged into 2-3 additional slots?
Rigs were originally intended/introduced as a hard choice of weighing pros and cons. Now they're essential free slots that must be filled, however I recall Oveur saying at time of implementation (parsing from memory) "Rigs will never become madatory [to compete]" - however flying ships without rigs now would be exactly that - more so given more traits of ships are now being modded with rigs WITHOUT any drawbacks.
make sense? |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
162
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:12:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Chribba wrote:The icon is drawback enough.
/c Heh, but the question is.... have you been able to, or would you put them on the Veldnaught ? For two - or three reasons I will not.
- Can't fit Ice Harvesters
- No Mercoxit in Amarr
- I need the cargo rigs since Dreads has no Ore bay (yet)
/c
 This cannot stand! I demand all 3! |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:26:00 -
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The rigs are temporary placeholders until the T3 (actually modular) mining ships are deployed, and they'll be replaced with proper bonus/drawback rigs.
/seriously
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2259
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:30:00 -
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The problem with drawbacks is, the people fitting the mining ships might need to make choices. 
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Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:11:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:
Rigs were originally introduced as a positive modification to your ship at the expense of some negative modification.
And this is exactly what CCP has done, your point is moot.
The new rigs have a positive modification to the ship at the expense of the negative modification, just like you said. The expense to the negative modification is so great, that it is completely gone. We now have no negative modification with these new rigs.
Yes? Suddenly realised that what you said is not what you meant due to a poor choice of words?
Next time type what you mean.
Dont like being called out on it?
Tough, you are posting in the EVE Forums, you know what we are like in here, and you knew what you were getting yourself into when you hit the 'Post' button.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:17:00 -
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It's because anything related to ice or mercoxit have mystical properties with no drawbacks.
Actually, I think there are no drawbacks because these rigs are replacements for the old ship bonuses, which had no drawbacks...
The negative drawback is that you must displace a tanking rig if you use one of the specialization rigs. |
Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
172
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:19:00 -
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I hate this thread. |
Mushu V
Templar Corps
Rogue Trader Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:26:00 -
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they have no drawbacks because they are meant to replace the old role bonus's at the expense of those rig slots |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8960
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:10:00 -
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It's not that strange seeing as how they're meant to bring back the ship specialisations that were previously inherent in the hulls, and those bonuses came without any particular drawbacks. I suppose that, if they wanted to be mean, they could make it so that adding a [special space-rock]-bonus rig would create a penalty on other forms of mining, just to hammer that specialisation angle home: fit your Hulk with an ice rig and it becomes horrid for rock miningGǪ
GǪbut it's all really just a duplication of previous mechanics using a different system that makes every mining ship (somewhat) equally useful by default.
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Alara IonStorm
2917
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:17:00 -
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I hope they scrap all rig penalties altogether. They shoe horn Astro Rigs and Elec Rigs, and the penalties to tank rigs screw up armor pretty bad and the shield penalties disproportionately effect small ships. No one cares what size a Drake is. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8960
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:24:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:No one cares what size a Drake is. Hey! I do.
That's why I always preferred active-tanked Drakes to PST ones in missions.
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
412
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Posted - 2012.08.09 07:13:00 -
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considering the rigs are in the game to allow you to retain pre patch levels of mining yield, there damn well shouldn't be a drawback on the rigs, losing the rig slot just to keep current levels of yield is already a drawback.
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Mr Bimble
Lost Ark Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:23:00 -
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Almost all exhumers and barges were fitted with now useless cargo expanding rigs.They get replaced with new shiny rigs with mining uprades.Perhaps this patch has some use after all. |
pussnheels
511
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:22:00 -
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the drawback is that a miner has to choose between yield or defence
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1744
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:41:00 -
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The new rigs have a calibration cost of 250 for the T1 version. Isn't that enough of a drawback?
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.08.09 10:38:00 -
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the drawback is you are in a mining barge
My homeboys tried to warn me
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1745
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Posted - 2012.08.09 10:40:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:the drawback is you are in a mining barge
 So true!
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Octoven
Four Pillar Production
Dragehund
8
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:24:00 -
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I agree the biggest drawback of all is that the purpose of the ore bay was to free up the rig lots for extra defense; however, if you choose to throw a rig on to mine more efficiently, then you are choosing to negate those shield rigs as well and that is a pretty big drawback of itself. |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
440
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:37:00 -
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OP go Ice mining for a week and see how you feel about the rig and needing a down side.
or should I say Ice mining is the very bottom you can't get any lower so anything CCP does to the rig as an offset will just be laughed at, so rightly so they just left it alone.
and the Mercoxit rig, well as others have said you will be sacrificing some tank so its use will be questionable all things considered.
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Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
346
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:49:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:The new rigs have a calibration cost of 250 for the T1 version. Isn't that enough of a drawback?
This..
250 calibration is a lot, it means you can't fit much else in the other rig slots, certainly no decent tech 2 rigs, not another mining rig. And they are only used for specific kinds of mining ( ice and mercoxit ), meaning that if you want to mine those things, you will have to sacrifice something to be able to.
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