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Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:28:00 - [61] Originally by: checkyoself Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: checkyoself Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is the skill learning system being replaced by? I'm just not understanding what exactly is being changed =P other than the learning skill removals and numbers(or is that the other 50% of the gift we dont know about). Thanks! learning skills will be totally removed, SP wasted on them will be relocatable to any skill you wish for. in addition, you will get +12 points per each attribute. This i am understanding, but for some reason i am slow to understand the final out come. What will the interface look like, how do you learn/gain/upgrade skills? Are all the skills available to us, so no more buying books. Or are we getting a totally different skill leveling system/interface? This is what i am asking. no change on the rest. skill leveling will remain the same. the diference will be the fact that the "learning" section of the skills will be gone. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Intangible Asset	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:30:00 - [62] Originally by: iluvtogank sad day for veterans The way that the attributes are being done + SP , it benifits everyone even those characters that never trained learning skills come on, are people moaning because they are preprogrammed to?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:30:00 - [63] Originally by: checkyoself This i am understanding, but for some reason i am slow to understand the final out come. What will the interface look like, how do you learn/gain/upgrade skills? Are all the skills available to us, so no more buying books. Or are we getting a totally different skill leveling system/interface? This is what i am asking. Nothing will change. You will just have different attributes. àok, perhaps not "nothing", but close enough: you won't see a "Learning Skills" category on the market; you won't see a "Learning Skills" group on your char sheet; the remap interface will no longer have the "Skills" section and you'll have 17 unremappable base attribute points. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Karen Estarra Caldari Starside Lost	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:30:00 - [64] Originally by: RaTTuS now I have Skill points to distribute on alts that have no need of any skills... those where created, at great expense to the main's learning - for a particular task , and have no need for any more SP .... can I get those learning skills put on the main instead. This. I trained a second alt on my account for scanning, and invested time in the learning skills with it first. It's not a case of wanting to dump 2x the amount of sp into one character, as YOU CAN ONLY TRAIN ONE CHARACTER PER ACCOUNT AT A TIME. If the skills hadn't been training on the alt (which is no longer used) the main would have been training instead. >>>>>>> Will flash boobies for Isk! <<<<<<<
Blasphemour	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:31:00 - [65] Originally by: checkyoself Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: checkyoself Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is the skill learning system being replaced by? I'm just not understanding what exactly is being changed =P other than the learning skill removals and numbers(or is that the other 50% of the gift we dont know about). Thanks! learning skills will be totally removed, SP wasted on them will be relocatable to any skill you wish for. in addition, you will get +12 points per each attribute. This i am understanding, but for some reason i am slow to understand the final out come. What will the interface look like, how do you learn/gain/upgrade skills? Are all the skills available to us, so no more buying books. Or are we getting a totally different skill leveling system/interface? This is what i am asking. What? NO! The skills in the category LEARNING are being removed... If you're a troll, have a nice meal
Kazacy Caldari Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:32:00 - [66] I don't know if this makes me a vet (i have only for years in eve) but this is awesome. I remember my first month in eve with very ****y skills (i started with 30k sp and no bonuses to train no nothing) and spending most of my time to train learning skills and being poded by older players :) For the new players no learning skills it's very good and also for the older players because very few have all learning skills trained at lvl5 (and skillpoints will be reimbursed anyway)
Xoria Krint The Empyreans	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:34:00 - [67] Originally by: iluvtogank sad day for veterans I'm a veteran and i'm not sad at all. This is a good thing. What was the point of learning skills again? Anyone? - ½ The object of war is not to die for your corporation but to make the other bastard die for his. +
Hacra Minmatar Cosmodynamics Joint Venture Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:35:00 - [68] Edited by: Hacra on 25/11/2010 13:35:45 Originally by: Kazacy I don't know if this makes me a vet (i have only for years in eve) but this is awesome. I remember my first month in eve with very ****y skills (i started with 30k sp and no bonuses to train no nothing) and spending most of my time to train learning skills and being poded by older players :) For the new players no learning skills it's very good and also for the older players because very few have all learning skills trained at lvl5 (and skillpoints will be reimbursed anyway) Yes, this side of the coin can be easily seen if you have never spent the time learning the learning skills properly high enough ;) What's currently happening is what destroyed WOW in first place, devs started listening to community whine. Edit: soon we will have autopilot that warps you to 0m, just because people are too lazy or impatient to wait :)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:37:00 - [69] Originally by: Xoria Krint I'm a veteran and i'm not sad at all. This is a good thing. What was the point of learning skills again? Anyone? To speed up skill training, which is why we are keeping our enhanced attributes. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:37:00 - [70] Someone explain to a dumb blond what difference the removal of the 100% bonus for new characters makes? For new characters, obviously.
iluvtogank	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:41:00 - [71] Edited by: iluvtogank on 25/11/2010 13:40:55 Originally by: Lillith Starfire Someone explain to a dumb blond what difference the removal of the 100% bonus for new characters makes? For new characters, obviously. pics plz anyway, as a vet i am hurt by this
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Lillith Starfire Someone explain to a dumb blond what difference the removal of the 100% bonus for new characters makes? For new characters, obviously. considering that the 100% bonus for new characters was made to make the learning skills less mind dumbing and boring, now you get a straight +12 atribute increase, which means that having a 100% SP increase bonus would make you train stuff ridiculously fast. in sum, you get the 100% sp increase removed, but you actually get faster training because your base atrib. points got pretty much doubled. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:42:00 - [73] Originally by: Lillith Starfire Someone explain to a dumb blond what difference the removal of the 100% bonus for new characters makes? For new characters, obviously. There are graphs in the dev blog. A brief look seems to indicate the difference will be minor when combined with the free extra attributes. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Lillith Starfire Someone explain to a dumb blond what difference the removal of the 100% bonus for new characters makes? For new characters, obviously. It means you train faster. You used to get 8/8/8/8/7 in your attributes and double SP, so 1440 SP/h for most skills. Now you get 20/20/20/20/19 in your attributes, so 1800 SP/h for most skills. It also means you don't have to "make the best of your bonus" by getting the Learning skills out of the way ù you can start having fun instead. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kazacy Caldari Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:54:00 - [75] Originally by: Hacra Edited by: Hacra on 25/11/2010 13:35:45 Yes, this side of the coin can be easily seen if you have never spent the time learning the learning skills properly high enough ;) What's currently happening is what destroyed WOW in first place, devs started listening to community whine. Edit: soon we will have autopilot that warps you to 0m, just because people are too lazy or impatient to wait :) Tbh yes after 4 years of eve i don't have yet all learning skills maxed but guess what: i fly almost any subcap ship and this is more than enough for me. Much prolly i will invest those learning sp into training a new char. I don't played wow and tbh eve it's only mmo i played but acording this WOW wiki seems they have over 12 millions satisfied customers and doing fine. Warp to 0 on autopilot: this is really harsh; in the past i really loved default warp to 15km and bookmarks navigation much more fun than now.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:58:00 - [76] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Lillith Starfire Someone explain to a dumb blond what difference the removal of the 100% bonus for new characters makes? For new characters, obviously. It means you train faster. You used to get 8/8/8/8/7 in your attributes and double SP, so 1440 SP/h for most skills. Now you get 20/20/20/20/19 in your attributes, so 1800 SP/h for most skills. It also means you don't have to "make the best of your bonus" by getting the Learning skills out of the way ù you can start having fun instead. Exactly!! And let's not forget that if a newb never gets to know about learning skills he/she would train at 720 SP/hr when the 1.6 million SP point had been reached.
IoWalker	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:58:00 - [77] Have I not comprehended the blog correctly, or do all players after this change train everything at ridiculous speeds with 20/20/20/20/19 attributes?
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.11.25 13:59:00 - [78] Whoooo death to learning skills ______________________________
Flex Nebura Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:04:00 - [79] I wonder if the other half is that they are giving away the Core fitting skills
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:04:00 - [80] Originally by: IoWalker Have I not comprehended the blog correctly, or do all players after this change train everything at ridiculous speeds with 20/20/20/20/19 attributes? No ridiculous speeds at all. Everyone will train at the speed you've always trained with those kinds of attributes. The formula for SP gain doesn't change. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tara Armitage Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Karen Estarra Originally by: RaTTuS now I have Skill points to distribute on alts that have no need of any skills... those where created, at great expense to the main's learning - for a particular task , and have no need for any more SP .... can I get those learning skills put on the main instead. This. This. I won't even start going to how much ISK has been lost while not having the other skills due to taking time with Learning. Pretend that this is as simple as reimbursing SP and the books as much as you like, it is not reality. I am much too old for it to make any difference at all, but ask the players that started six months ago and who took learning skills to 5/5 how they like that hot iron up their a**. At the very least the skillpoints need to be redistributable freely over all the characters on the account. If such feature can't be easily made, find the time to do it the hard way. 14th of December, surely, can't be the first deadline you ever set that absolutely needs to be kept. (HINT: For starters check walking in stations..) Also. CCP your strength is in retaining people not getting new ones very fast to replace people that started last month and are already quitting. That is what is exceptional in the success of Eve. Be very careful dumbing down the game when listening to us, the community, whining about game being too harsh.
checkyoself	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:14:00 - [82] Originally by: Blasphemour What? NO! The skills in the category LEARNING are being removed... If you're a troll, have a nice meal I am absolutely not a troll, just because i am a little ignorant on the subject (like i've already said!!) and ask questions doesnt make me a troll. Stop killing the meaning of it.
Fulbert Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:19:00 - [83] Learning skills are not removed. They are given to everybody for free. Yay people, free SP for everyone! -------------------------------- Fulbert. Miner - Industrialist
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:27:00 - [84] :-( This is not as good as it seems Folks... Yes I know it seems good... but it isn't. :-/ Originally by: Redshift XIII Something tells me this guy wouldn't approve of my rocketcane :(
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Alt Tabbed :-( This is not as good as it seems Folks... Yes I know it seems good... but it isn't. :-/ Almost as good as it seems then?
Citizen 1034949194	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:33:00 - [86] Having both a 4 year and a week old characters I approve this plan.
Adam Weishaup	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:33:00 - [87] What's going to happen with remaps? Like, are existing char's new base attributes already going to be distributed according to their current remaps? This is an important question b/c if the chars are just given the new base attributes, it would certainly ruin my current mapping.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:33:00 - [88] Soooo awesome Dirty Little Slave, reporting for duty!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:36:00 - [89] Originally by: Adam Weishaup What's going to happen with remaps? Like, are existing char's new base attributes already going to be distributed according to their current remaps? This is an important question b/c if the chars are just given the new base attributes, it would certainly ruin my current mapping. They're adding 12pts to each base attribute for a new minimum attribute value of 17. The remap mechanics don't change and your 14 distributable points still sit on top this new base attribute. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.25 14:38:00 - [90] Edited by: Anne Arqui on 25/11/2010 14:39:58 Learning skills baaaadd Reimbursement goooood

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