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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.30 03:14:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Black Dranzer
But maybe I'm just worrying needlessly.
Yes.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.30 03:26:00 -
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Yeah, uh, guys? Sansha Incursions are carebear content. It's Highsec Group PvE. It may be high risk low reward Highsec Group PvE, but it's still Highsec Group PvE. When you participate in incursions, you're expected to win. CCP may dress it up in threatening terms and edgy trailers, but it's still basically just raids with penalties for nearby quest grinders.
Just because it's carebear content that attempts to **** on other carebear content, doesn't mean it isn't still carebear content. It's just that now, they want you to be a particular kind of carebear. Specifically, a grey one with a lot of spikes.
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Fart Taco
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Posted - 2010.11.30 03:29:00 -
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I thought anyone who participated got LP... thats the real reward from this anyway...
Also it will be nice watching an incursion appear and tons of bots dieing. Hopefully they will make them have a higher chance of originating in highsec systems with an ice field :P
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Boinz
Caldari
Muffin Munchers
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Posted - 2010.11.30 03:34:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Max Cetera
Quote:
Anybody else worried about Incursion?
Are you worried about Sanshas invading your ass ?
more like leaving in the case of the SC
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Guess what I'm wearing.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.11.30 04:14:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Yeah, uh, guys? Sansha Incursions are carebear content. It's Highsec Group PvE. It may be high risk low reward Highsec Group PvE, but it's still Highsec Group PvE. When you participate in incursions, you're expected to win. CCP may dress it up in threatening terms and edgy trailers, but it's still basically just raids with penalties for nearby quest grinders.
Sounds like you're an expert in making wild guesses.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.30 04:23:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Sounds like you're an expert in making wild guesses.
That may be so, but there were almost no guesses there, and those that were are hardly "wild".
It is in highsec, it is group PvE, it MAY be high risk low reward (which would be an argument against carebear status, not for), it does punish nearby "quest grinders".
About the only guesses I made was that A: They're like raids, which I think is a pretty fair assumption given the data we've got so far, and B: That you're expected to win, which I'm basing primarily on the fact that all PvE content in MMOs is designed to be beaten, because if it wasn't, they'd just make the rats invincible and not give you any rewards for killing them.
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.11.30 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Sounds like you're an expert in making wild guesses.
That may be so, but there were almost no guesses there, and those that were are hardly "wild".
It is in highsec, it is group PvE, it MAY be high risk low reward (which would be an argument against carebear status, not for), it does punish nearby "quest grinders".
About the only guesses I made was that A: They're like raids, which I think is a pretty fair assumption given the data we've got so far, and B: That you're expected to win, which I'm basing primarily on the fact that all PvE content in MMOs is designed to be beaten, because if it wasn't, they'd just make the rats invincible and not give you any rewards for killing them.
Actually, it's not just hi-sec. Incursions hit low and null sec space as well. Fittingly, the challenge and rewards are greater in low and null sec.
Second, not all of the Incursion encounters are there to be beaten for a reward. Some are true hazards. If you've seen the Sansha gate camps in low-sec SiSi, then you'd know they can be rather deadly.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.30 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
Actually, it's not just hi-sec. Incursions hit low and null sec space as well. Fittingly, the challenge and rewards are greater in low and null sec.
You can also mine and rat in lowsec. Does that mean mining and ratting are no longer carebear content?
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.11.30 04:35:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
Actually, it's not just hi-sec. Incursions hit low and null sec space as well. Fittingly, the challenge and rewards are greater in low and null sec.
You can also mine and rat in lowsec. Does that mean mining and ratting are no longer carebear content?
Straw man argument. I'm not implying anything by my correction of your assertion outside the correction itself. Incursions are not hi-sec only events.
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Gallians
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Posted - 2010.11.30 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
Actually, it's not just hi-sec. Incursions hit low and null sec space as well. Fittingly, the challenge and rewards are greater in low and null sec.
You can also mine and rat in lowsec. Does that mean mining and ratting are no longer carebear content?
I am pretty sure ratting isn't carebear content. Or so the bastards that blow up my ratting ships would suggest
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.30 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
Straw man argument. I'm not implying anything by my correction of your assertion outside the correction itself. Incursions are not hi-sec only events.
Sorry, I did indeed take implication from it when perhaps I shouldn't have. My bad.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.30 05:15:00 -
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Wait a sec there.. can you scan those sanshas at the gates with your d-scan?
Cause if you can't and those camps are qualified enough to take out BRs(*) we might be in for some small PI price increases 
(*) Pure speculation without any informed background, unfortunately didn't run into them on Sisi yet to test this out (=talking out my ass)
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.30 08:36:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
Actually, it's not just hi-sec. Incursions hit low and null sec space as well. Fittingly, the challenge and rewards are greater in low and null sec.
You can also mine and rat in lowsec. Does that mean mining and ratting are no longer carebear content?
They never were. "Carebear" is a mindset, not a type of content.
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Originally by: CCP Ginger
Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.11.30 10:18:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Wait a sec there.. can you scan those sanshas at the gates with your d-scan?
Cause if you can't and those camps are qualified enough to take out BRs(*) we might be in for some small PI price increases
(*) Pure speculation without any informed background, unfortunately didn't run into them on Sisi yet to test this out (=talking out my ass)
The info I read on the Sisi forum is that there aren't any Sansha gatecamps in highsec. In lowsec, I have no idea if you can scan them or not, but probably not since normal rats can't be scanned either. Probably best to stay clear of Incursion zones entirely in lowsec.
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Fat Willy
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
The info I read on the Sisi forum is that there aren't any Sansha gatecamps in highsec.
So what does the Sansha incursion mean for the hi-sec living Astro-Sims who are mining/trading/L4 mission running... nothing?
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:18:00 -
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Not worried at all, im sure CCP finds way to nerf even this expansion just like all the previous ones...
I do however hope CCP has learned something and actyally hired usability experts to work on those user interfaces. Programmers just cant make good interface for user.
PS. please CCP fix scinece&industry interface, 11 clicks to remotely launch inventin job on pos, thats mouse killer.
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Eyup Mi'duck
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dasola
PS. please CCP fix scinece&industry interface, 11 clicks to remotely launch inventin job on pos, thats mouse killer.
Guess you're not into planetary extraction then... that is THE mouse killer!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:26:00 -
[48]
Quote:
You can also mine and rat in lowsec. Does that mean mining and ratting are no longer carebear content?
I dare say that mining in low sec is carebear content... for those who go pop the miner!
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stumpy999999
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:33:00 -
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Here is some new stuff
"oh noes!" "different stuff will happen!!"
yes
"CCP are bastards that screw up our lives!!!"
errr?
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Hey, we are getting new stuff to play with. Roll with it. Any stuff you think may make it better then send it in.
I'm expecting the execution of it to be OK, not perfect, but OK. What will really make this fly is if a portion of the player base runs with it.
Give it a go, if it falls on it's ass then no foul, but you should have a go before you hammer it.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:44:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Magnus Orin
I see these Incursions as very similar to the "public quests" available in Warhammer Online. The game it self sucked, but it had some original potential, and had a few interesting features.
The public quests I felt were a welcome pve addition to the MMO genre, and I think they would be a welcome, albeit more random and temporary, addition to Eve Online.
If you'd seriously rather grind your face against more level 4s than take part in a dynamic and random live event with the potential to drop good loot, I don't know why you play Eve.
+1
The minority that will be upset are solo players that add nothing to the game anyway.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Yeah, uh, guys? Sansha Incursions are carebear content. It's Highsec Group PvE. It may be high risk low reward Highsec Group PvE, but it's still Highsec Group PvE. When you participate in incursions, you're expected to win. CCP may dress it up in threatening terms and edgy trailers, but it's still basically just raids with penalties for nearby quest grinders.
Its not all in high sec, and please dont mention raids or quests in here.
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:59:00 -
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stop panicking people needlessly
people playing an mmo but unable to play with their corporation mates as it affects rewards have stuck with the game and never been crying on forums about it.
now they are getting some content.
solo players you have had the cream, time to share
I hope phantasm bpcs drop often.
Hoppit!
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feminakitten
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:03:00 -
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Raids, Quests, Mobs, Raids, Quests, Mobs, WoW. I just did it, lol rotflmao. /me Hangs head in shame.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Takseen on 30/11/2010 12:03:39
Originally by: Fat Willy
Originally by: Takseen
The info I read on the Sisi forum is that there aren't any Sansha gatecamps in highsec.
So what does the Sansha incursion mean for the hi-sec living Astro-Sims who are mining/trading/L4 mission running... nothing?
As the OP mentioned, it means a mild inconvenience. Traders will be unaffected, apart from maybe any changes in demand of their stuff. Miners probably won't be able to keep mining as I think the Sansha belt rats are still in highsec. Missioners will lose 50% of bounties, 10% of their resists( IE 85% kinetic resist becomes 84% kinetic resist), and 10% of their damage. The fact that even these fairly tame effects are enough to disturb anyone is kinda sad, really.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: feminakitten
Raids, Quests, Mobs, Raids, Quests, Mobs, WoW. I just did it, lol rotflmao. /me Hangs head in shame.
Right you have gone and done it indeed, -DKP for you.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:19:00 -
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Well, you carebears wouldnt enter 0.0 to join in with blob warfare, so CCP is bringing it to your doorstep!
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
CCP nerfing mining/missioning/ratting in order to "encourage" participation in incursions, this does not really fill me with confidence that incursions are going to be an enjoyable gameplay mechanic.
I haven't seen any indication of CCP nerfing mining/missioning/ratting?
Links?
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Commander Shipping
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Garekell
people are giving it a jaundiced eye
Wow, i had to look that up in the dictionary! Bravo!
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Alt FTW
I don't mind (care) if a feature is added that I won't/can't use, but CCP should understand that there are a lot of players out there without the inclination to join corporations (for whatever reason). Trying to force them to do so anyway will just mean losing a significant customer base.
This is my biggest concern as well. Even though I have been in a corp that was operating in 0.0.
Problem is you can't force people to go where they don't want to go. We have seen it with NPC corp taxes, all that did was push some people out of the NPC corps into single player corps to avoid the taxes.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hecatonis
i am a carebear, and i am really excited about this.
after i get my hands on the shiny new ship i will be looking for a corp that is going to be doing this.
it should be great
You'll have a lot of fun with this, instead of pimped local tanks you'll get to enjoy the fun of using buffer + logi setups. Hoping the hi sec ones go fairly large so that larger player corps / alliances grow to fill this niche.
If enough people get into this then once these players have got themselves comfortable flying in far more PvP orientated setups I'm hoping they start deccing each other in order to fully compete over the incursions.
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