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Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:46:00 -
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As far as I recall, the sanshas in incursions will have the AI of sleepes... Meaning drones will be rendered useless... My problem with it is that I've actually seen drones getting less and less useful ove time in EVE. Drone boats don't stand a chance fighting sleepers, drone boats will be useless against incursions. Not only we still have the useless, terrible and utterly ugly drone interface which does not show damage, nor health while inside the drone bay and does not suppot using an F key to send em, but now they won't be able to fight at all in the next feature.
I call for making drones useful in PVE except for grinding level 4 missions...
For now if you don't use sentries - they'll get popped. You have to constantly launch them and take them back in incursion stuff.
Plus, I'm concened about the pirates (biggest carebears in eve picking up targets only when they don't stand a chance), I suspect that it would be logical to stop all concod aid in the systems that have incursions happening. It would make it quite funny ,especially in the bigger hubs. And will the faction navies engage the sanshas?
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:48:00 -
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To all the whiners out there, do the maths. I doubt your home system will be affected by an incursion more than once a year. Far more likely that those wanting to take part will end up whining that it is such a long way to find one.
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Rusty Waynne
Caldari
Waynne Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:56:00 -
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I have no intention of ever participating in Incursions. So for me this is more of a nuissance than anything.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Guy on 30/11/2010 13:06:03
You only have to look at WoW's event recently where the elements were attacking two cities to see that forced participation does not really work. Although if it's done in such a way as not to force people into doing it but they are able to join if they wish, then that would be ok.
Problem with the elemental invasion was that every two - three hours the two cities would effectively shut down and only high levels could participate in the event anyway. Auction house staff disappeared so did post boxes and even flight masters. Where this was the same event happening over and over even the 80s were getting bored with it. People in the end where just standing around waiting for the event just to time out.
All that repeated event achieved was a lot of annoyed people who were glad when it had finally stopped.
Edit: And from what I mean by this 'Although if it's done in such a way as not to force people into doing it but they are able to join if they wish, then that would be ok'. Those that do not wish to join don't have their game disrupted.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Forum Guy
You only have to look at WoW's event recently where the elements were attacking two cities to see that forced participation does not really work. Although if it's done in such a way as not to force people into doing it but they are able to join if they wish, then that would be ok.
You cant really compare what happens in a kids game to what is happening in Eve.
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:04:00 -
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Meh Incursions .. don't really see the added value.
Rocket fixes ftw!
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Forum Guy
You only have to look at WoW's event recently where the elements were attacking two cities to see that forced participation does not really work. Although if it's done in such a way as not to force people into doing it but they are able to join if they wish, then that would be ok.
You cant really compare what happens in a kids game to what is happening in Eve.
Of course you can, it's not just a kids game it's a family game. There are many adults that play WoW. Probably more adults than what play this.
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Jno Aubrey
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:48:00 -
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For anyone worried about incursions, I think we can all rest assured that if CCP finds that it is causing carebears to quit EVE in droves that poor ol' Sansha will end up taking one for the team.
After that, the next expansion will be EVE Online: Excursions where CCP will introduce a whole new lineup of luxury yachts.
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leich
Amarr
bish bash bosh
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:49:00 -
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This is going to be the worst expansion ever.
I dont know why they bother bringing in Content like this that forces you to play taking away the sandbox feel of the game.
Who did they consult before coming up with this idea?
If it effects to many poeple they will just stop playing the game.
once again CCP drops the ball.
Mabey they should have asked the player base what they wanted i would much rather they bring out no expansion and fix some of the current bugs not bring out new unwanted content,
10/10 worked perfectly as they were. They just needed to invole better AI and more random locations.
STOP NOW CCP Before you release another stupid expansion!
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.30 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: leich
This is going to be the worst expansion ever.
Nah.
New portraits > PI clickfest!
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Iceni
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Posted - 2010.11.30 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
For anyone worried about incursions, I think we can all rest assured that if CCP finds that it is causing carebears to quit EVE in droves that poor ol' Sansha will end up taking one for the team.
After that, the next expansion will be EVE Online: Excursions where CCP will introduce a whole new lineup of luxury yachts.
Yes it sounds like its the solo player, or those with time-limited access to EVE who will once again come off worst from the Sansha incursions. Some TLC for this sizeable (and profitable) part of the EVE community is long overdue, methinks.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.11.30 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tarasina on 30/11/2010 14:43:24
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Forum Guy
You only have to look at WoW's event recently where the elements were attacking two cities to see that forced participation does not really work. Although if it's done in such a way as not to force people into doing it but they are able to join if they wish, then that would be ok.
You cant really compare what happens in a kids game to what is happening in Eve.
It is about human behavior, no matter the age. Boring and pointless content is boring and pointless.
I'm not saying Incursions will be, we will have to wait and see but feels like they should balance it more, *POLISH IT*.
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Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:15:00 -
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Perhaps it has already been stated elsewhere, but will incursions cause permanent damage?
For example, let's say a huge fleet of Sansha invade the Jita system. And while there is some fight, the Sansha fleets drive off the players. Eventually when Sansha either heads elsewhere or is driven off, many of the stations in the system are either a smoldering hunk of scrap metal, or ~worse~, outright destroyed. Agents in those stations are dead or missing and items the players had stored there either as market or personal materials would be lost.
Of course, there would be the huge uproar if the market crashed due to the destruction of Jita 4-4, but what other incentive is there for players to band together to save the system?
While the loss would hurt, it would seem more "alive".
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 30/11/2010 15:35:24
Im missing how this expansion "nerfs" mission running/mining etc... as posted in the OP. Bring me up to speed here?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Im missing how this expansion "nerfs" mission running/mining etc... as posted in the OP. Bring me up to speed here?
He's talking about the actual Sansha incursions coming in January, which will reduce your tank and damage output against NPCs and reduce bounty payments in the constellations hit by the incursions.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Im missing how this expansion "nerfs" mission running/mining etc... as posted in the OP. Bring me up to speed here?
He's talking about the actual Sansha incursions coming in January, which will reduce your tank and damage output against NPCs and reduce bounty payments in the constellations hit by the incursions.
Ah, did not realize it effected the whole constellation. Thank you.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.01 02:06:00 -
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CCP prefers to use a stick rather than a carrot. The carrot requires creativity. Using the stick makes them feel like they've got big weeners. Given the choice between coming up with a carrot (something they just don't quite have the creativity for) or having the illusion of a bigger weener...........well.......isn't really a choice, is it?
-Windjammer
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Kais Thule
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.01 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kais Thule on 01/12/2010 03:01:52
Yes I'm aware it's a forum but my god you guys like to b***ch, it's happening so you need to deal with it. Lots of people here seem so afraid of change and want to snap at CCP for everything they do. Where are your ideas for better mechanics (within logical bounds)or your own ideas for improving the game?
inb4 post getting flamed.
This feels like a semi expansion, given that incarna is actually making a significant change that IMHO won't be dumbing down the game but adding more immersion. So long as walking in stations doesn't wind up being a waste of time and just pure eye candy.
P.S I'm a newbie of about a year so try not to cry too hard about what I said.
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Vin Polo
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Posted - 2010.12.01 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: feminakitten
Raids, Quests, Mobs, Raids, Quests, Mobs, WoW. I just did it, lol rotflmao. /me Hangs head in shame.
Femina...you are an evil kitty 
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Zantris
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Posted - 2010.12.01 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Its not all in high sec, and please dont mention raids or quests in here.
But that's what it is. It's a raid.
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Zantris
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Posted - 2010.12.01 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kais Thule
Edited by: Kais Thule on 01/12/2010 03:01:52
Yes I'm aware it's a forum but my god you guys like to b***ch, it's happening so you need to deal with it. Lots of people here seem so afraid of change and want to snap at CCP for everything they do. Where are your ideas for better mechanics (within logical bounds)or your own ideas for improving the game?
I think if you remove the negative side effects of incursions you basically accomplish the same goal, which is delivering an additional bit of content. You then scale the rewards to the point that people start actually doing the content. Positive reinforcement is better than Negative reinforcement... or at least that's what my local dog trainer tells me.
See, quick and easy fix to make everyone happy... except the PvPers that will never actually bother with Incursions but will constantly defend them just to **** on carebears. |
Ira Theos
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Posted - 2010.12.01 04:01:00 -
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Confirming that Incursion appears to be the worst piece of useless tripe that has come down the pipe to date. I will not be participating and it will have no effect on me, since I have long since given up any activity that involves combat in Eve. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.01 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ira Theos
Confirming that Incursion appears to be the worst piece of useless tripe that has come down the pipe to date. I will not be participating and it will have no effect on me, since I have long since given up any activity that involves combat in Eve.
Ignorance is bliss huh?
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.12.01 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: leich
I dont know why they bother bringing in Content like this that forces you to play taking away the sandbox feel of the game.
LOL. This is my favorite complaint. Because god knows the definition of a sandbox is where everything works along perfectly predictable static lines, where nothing comes along that inconveniences your plans... yeah. Or maybe that's just the whiner's definition.
Frankly stuff like this is a longtime coming. Should be more of it, and should have it happened to us sooner. Should be NPC FW stuff invading an urinating in hi-sec cherrios, should be giant space whales roaming lowsec eating people, weird ass spacial rifts causing bizzare shiite to happen in random systems, etc. Would make the game alot more entertaining.
But then again, it might interrupt "your" mission-running / mining / plexing or w/e. And we just couldn't have that...
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.12.01 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 01/12/2010 08:33:59
I don't understand this thread.
1. People are complaining about forced group work comparing these features to wow failures. Eve is not wow. The mechanics of Eve promote group play. Groups own sovereignty. Groups own wormholes. Groups own moons. Groups own the market. I am willing to bet that where ever an incursion appears there will be corporations in close proximity who will see the potential profits and will attempt to quell the incursion.
2. Nerf claims. Eve is a single shard. What happens 3 jumps over to you is related to you. I believe CCP tried to market this as the butterfly effect. PVE "butterfly effect" appeared in wormholes (each wormhole class has different penalties and bonuses) now PVE "butterfly effect" has been included with Incursions. This gives a sense of the epic scope of eve to the many, it will inconvenience a few. But the majority of players in any game become disenfranchised with the static and the stale.
3. Stupid Novelty Argument. The features that are brought into the game and fail are faded out. T2 BPO Lotteries. Learning Skills. Pos based Sov. The features that capture players imagination stay. Wormholes. Complexes. Faction Warfare. Arguing against a feature because it might not have staying power is redundant. Eve has many features, many of which don't appeal to the masses. New features don't need to, they simply need to capture the imagination of enough players to create sustainable interest. If the rewards for killing off an Incursion are high enough, corporations who find it fun gallivanting around space tracking them will form and hunt incursions.
4. Stupid CCP using a stick. Incursions are active opt in. There maybe small penalties for not opting in, but you don't have to. It is up to the player. If the carrot (reward) is enough to keep a small percentage of players happy fighting Sanshas across Eve then the carrot out weighs the stick.
I think the reason I don't understand this thread is due to my WOWdar going off the rails. Seriously, remember the butterfly effect and remember that if you want to play by yourself in the sandbox anyone (including bits of code named sanshas) can **** on your sandcastle. That is Eve.
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:08:00 -
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It should be no surprise.
All MMO's have the same horrible desire, the same malicious and hateful intent.
To somehow force the wallflowers to interact with other people.
PS: I move that we hereby begin referring to solo players as wallflowers.
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Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar
Rebirth.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:14:00 -
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Ultima Online... those of you who remember from the way back machine...
Once did a similar EvP GM assisted kinda thing. An invading force pretty much swept across the servers slaughtering poorly defended towns and it's denizens. It took us alittle while and heavy losses to get organize and repel the invasion. clans backstabbed other clans taking advantage of the chaos. The streets were flooded with emo tears. Many butts were very hurt. In the end alot of the empire fell to the invasion and we managed to survive in pockets of well defended territory, even managed to keep 1 server free and clear. All in all everyone had plenty of stories to tell, and it was a huge success.
If done correctly this is going to be an epic struggle of life and death. If done poorly, it's going to be a nuisance as we wtfpwn the npc's so we can get on with doing our normal everyday stuff.
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Funesta
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:18:00 -
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I don't quite understand how the incursions hurt mission runners or miners or other highsec solo activities. Could someone spell out the exact problem for me?
Or is this mostly someone not wanting to jump a few systems over when an incursion hits to continue mining/missioning in a nearby system instead of their favorite system?
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Ira Theos
Confirming that Incursion appears to be the worst piece of useless tripe that has come down the pipe to date. I will not be participating and it will have no effect on me, since I have long since given up any activity that involves combat in Eve.
Ignorance is bliss huh?
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I assume you think I am ignorant of the fact that the Incursion forces will seek out and destroy players regardless of their choice... I am not so uninformed. It is merely due to the fact that my play style in Eve does not require me to ever undock, so unless the Incursion can figure out a way to dock and engage me (or unless CCP enables combat and walking in stations by NPCs)... it is entirely irrelevent to me.
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Brannoncyll
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Posted - 2010.12.01 19:05:00 -
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I'd like to say something to all of the pvpers who are replying with posts laden with contempt for high-sec carebears. You NEED the carebears. They mine the ore and make the ships and ammo that you use to fight with. They do PI and mine the ice you use for your death star POS. They salvage the components to make the rigs you use to pimp out your gankmobiles. They loot the named items you outfit your ships with. Without the carebears YOU would have to do those things yourself. You should be thanking the carebears for doing the things that you hate so that you can spend your time on things that you enjoy. 
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