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Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.11.29 19:04:00 -
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now the bombers are no longer useful against subcaps, aeon and wyvern does not have the drone space to field both 20 bombers/fighers and standard essential drones like sentries and mid/light. ecm/neut drones. +25km3 like the hel has would solve everything!!
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.29 19:09:00 -
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Better idea: reduce the dronebays of all supercarriers so they have to choose between fighters and bombers.
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Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.11.29 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon Better idea: reduce the dronebays of all supercarriers so they have to choose between fighters and bombers.
sure, than reduce supercarrier cost by 50% or else it would be ******ed beyond comprehension
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.11.29 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Rapture
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Better idea: reduce the dronebays of all supercarriers so they have to choose between fighters and bombers.
sure, than reduce supercarrier cost by 50% or else it would be ******ed beyond comprehension
you are still immune to normal ewar and such. besides ... reduced dmg just means you no longer wtfbbq them. they will still go down after a while.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.29 20:22:00 -
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Heaven forbid that supercarriers should have to make a decision on their anticipated offensive role in advance.
You know, like every other ship in the game does.
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Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.11.30 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Lord Rapture
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Better idea: reduce the dronebays of all supercarriers so they have to choose between fighters and bombers.
sure, than reduce supercarrier cost by 50% or else it would be ******ed beyond comprehension
you are still immune to normal ewar and such. besides ... reduced dmg just means you no longer wtfbbq them. they will still go down after a while.
no it's not jsut reduced damage, it's reduce to insignificant levels. maxed out nyx will take like an hour to kill a plated bs. a aeon/wyvern would doesnt have the drone bay to fight off subcaps.
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Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
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Posted - 2010.11.30 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: thread title 25km¦
Do you realize 25km¦ is 25,000,000,000 m¦? That's 5 billion units of light drones.
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2010.11.30 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Rapture
Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Lord Rapture
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Better idea: reduce the dronebays of all supercarriers so they have to choose between fighters and bombers.
sure, than reduce supercarrier cost by 50% or else it would be ******ed beyond comprehension
you are still immune to normal ewar and such. besides ... reduced dmg just means you no longer wtfbbq them. they will still go down after a while.
no it's not jsut reduced damage, it's reduce to insignificant levels. maxed out nyx will take like an hour to kill a plated bs. a aeon/wyvern would doesnt have the drone bay to fight off subcaps.
It's not SUPPOSED to fight off subcaps.
I say the other supercarriers get their dronespace cut to about the same levels.
These things are bordering overpoweredness already anyway, no way I'm supporting anything making them even stronger. ---
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.30 10:11:00 -
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Quote: These things are bordering overpoweredness already anyway
They lost sight of that border months ago, they are ridiculously overpowered.
If you expect to fight caps just take FBs and some spares with you, remaining drone bay is more than enough for practically infinite ammount of regular drones, and believe me 20 t2 ogres dont require an hour to kill a plated BS. And you can also send 20 warriors against interceptors.
If you expect to be hotdropping on subcaps you replace your FBs with regular fighters.
Supercarriers are the only ships in eve that are suited to engage every opponent without problems and with ridiculous dps. A serious nerf to their drone bay would be a nice start, how about removing the ability to use anything besides fighters and fighter bombers.
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bartos100
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Posted - 2010.11.30 14:04:00 -
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i would just limit the bonus they have to launching more drones to fighters and FB only they can still use 5 normal drones together with the fighters/FB but not 20 light drones
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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.11.30 14:12:00 -
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Reducing all Supercarrier's drone bays - Supported Aeon and Wyvern have the most tank of any super-carriers by quite a long way, they need a weakness to counter it or why would anyone use a Hel? The nyx will always be used because of the damage bonus. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.11.30 14:14:00 -
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Heavy drones are stupidly slow, and easily killed with smartbomb. switching between fighters n bombers on hotdrop is simply not a realistic thing to do, where you gonna put 20 spare fighters? certainly not in ur corp hanger.
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: These things are bordering overpoweredness already anyway
They lost sight of that border months ago, they are ridiculously overpowered.
If you expect to fight caps just take FBs and some spares with you, remaining drone bay is more than enough for practically infinite ammount of regular drones, and believe me 20 t2 ogres dont require an hour to kill a plated BS. And you can also send 20 warriors against interceptors.
If you expect to be hotdropping on subcaps you replace your FBs with regular fighters.
Supercarriers are the only ships in eve that are suited to engage every opponent without problems and with ridiculous dps. A serious nerf to their drone bay would be a nice start, how about removing the ability to use anything besides fighters and fighter bombers.
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Haseo Arashi
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Rapture Heavy drones are stupidly slow, and easily killed with smartbomb. switching between fighters n bombers on hotdrop is simply not a realistic thing to do, where you gonna put 20 spare fighters? certainly not in ur corp hanger.
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: These things are bordering overpoweredness already anyway
They lost sight of that border months ago, they are ridiculously overpowered.
If you expect to fight caps just take FBs and some spares with you, remaining drone bay is more than enough for practically infinite ammount of regular drones, and believe me 20 t2 ogres dont require an hour to kill a plated BS. And you can also send 20 warriors against interceptors.
If you expect to be hotdropping on subcaps you replace your FBs with regular fighters.
Supercarriers are the only ships in eve that are suited to engage every opponent without problems and with ridiculous dps. A serious nerf to their drone bay would be a nice start, how about removing the ability to use anything besides fighters and fighter bombers.
sure but can you kill ALL the carriers ogres before you die?
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Boinz
Caldari Muffin Munchers
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Posted - 2010.12.01 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jamaican Herbsman
Originally by: thread title 25km¦
Do you realize 25km¦ is 25,000,000,000 m¦? That's 5 billion units of light drones.
Do YOU realize he means 25k m3?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Guess what I'm wearing.
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Kara Sharalien
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.01 10:24:00 -
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The aeon and wyvern both have defensively orientated bonuses. They are tactical deployment, not general use. All supercarriers are, to a degree, but those two more so. If you want a ****cannon, you should use the nyx. Its easier to kill, but packs more damage, an appropriate tradeoff.
The Hel is also designed for fleet deployment, but since it has neither a defensive nor offensive bonus, the least you can do is give it more drone space.
TL;DR train for different super-carriers if you want different options.
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
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Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.12.01 11:22:00 -
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This makes no sense. Nyx gets damage bonus, Aeon/Wyvern gets tanking bonus. there is no reason nyx should be able to carry 50km3 more drones
Originally by: Kara Sharalien The aeon and wyvern both have defensively orientated bonuses. They are tactical deployment, not general use. All supercarriers are, to a degree, but those two more so. If you want a ****cannon, you should use the nyx. Its easier to kill, but packs more damage, an appropriate tradeoff.
The Hel is also designed for fleet deployment, but since it has neither a defensive nor offensive bonus, the least you can do is give it more drone space.
TL;DR train for different super-carriers if you want different options.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.12.01 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer They lost sight of that border months ago, they are ridiculously overpowered....
Logic and balance has no place here you noob!!!!
During initial testing of Moms (ie. way back when), didn't they have limited bays so they had to chose between fighters or bombers, or is my memory failing me again?
Sorted: - Dronebay large enough for 20 bombers. - Introduce Drone hangar with room for full flight plus 2 (to facilitate swap of active flight). Drones in hangar slowly regenerate armour/hull. - Allow drone resupply from Maintenance Array, think its available for POS arrays but not carrier arrays.
Result: In combat they cannot launch whatever they damn well please without spending quite some time swapping the drones around. Gets added bonus of being able to repair the pesky buggers without having to micro them in space.
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Kara Sharalien
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.01 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 01/12/2010 11:45:25
Originally by: Lord Rapture This makes no sense. Nyx gets damage bonus, Aeon/Wyvern gets tanking bonus. there is no reason nyx should be able to carry 50km3 more drones
Yes there is, and I very clearly spelled it out. Let me use shorter words. I'll write in caps so they are easier to read as well.
NYX's ARE MORE FRAGILE THEN WYVERNS OR AEONS. THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR KILLING OVER SURVIVAL. THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE TOOLS FOR THAT. THIS INCLUDES A MORE GENEROUS DRONEBAY.
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
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Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.12.01 12:08:00 -
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******ed comment, they get bonus to Damage, which is a fair tradeoff. there is no reason for a vastly superior drone bay size.
Originally by: Kara Sharalien Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 01/12/2010 11:45:25
Originally by: Lord Rapture This makes no sense. Nyx gets damage bonus, Aeon/Wyvern gets tanking bonus. there is no reason nyx should be able to carry 50km3 more drones
Yes there is, and I very clearly spelled it out. Let me use shorter words. I'll write in caps so they are easier to read as well.
NYX's ARE MORE FRAGILE THEN WYVERNS OR AEONS. THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR KILLING OVER SURVIVAL. THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE TOOLS FOR THAT. THIS INCLUDES A MORE GENEROUS DRONEBAY.
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LiBressa
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Posted - 2010.12.01 12:42:00 -
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Put in a Slave set and Trimarks then say honestly say that. The defense capabilities of the armour tanking Supers is greater than the shield tankers. Before implants and rigs your comment was true. It's not now.
Originally by: Kara Sharalien Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 01/12/2010 11:45:25
Originally by: Lord Rapture This makes no sense. Nyx gets damage bonus, Aeon/Wyvern gets tanking bonus. there is no reason nyx should be able to carry 50km3 more drones
Yes there is, and I very clearly spelled it out. Let me use shorter words. I'll write in caps so they are easier to read as well.
NYX's ARE MORE FRAGILE THEN WYVERNS OR AEONS. THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR KILLING OVER SURVIVAL. THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE TOOLS FOR THAT. THIS INCLUDES A MORE GENEROUS DRONEBAY.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.01 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Rapture Heavy drones are stupidly slow, and easily killed with smartbomb. switching between fighters n bombers on hotdrop is simply not a realistic thing to do, where you gonna put 20 spare fighters? certainly not in ur corp hanger.
Then use sentries. Or just launch new heavy drones. You can take a virtually unlimitted supply of regular drones with you, so losing a few is not exactly a problem.
And where to keep those spare fighters? Maybe in the POS your supercarrier bases from? Or do you want to change during the hotdrop, hint: the goal is to make precisely that impossible. Only other possibility is that you are away from your own POS, you are not on another POS with fighters somewhere, you could not be bothered to charter a JF to take fighters with you, and you were loaded with fighter bombers and suddenly decided to hotdrop some subcaps. Aditionally you cannot be bothered to jump back to the POS you base from to change drones. Then i got a simple solution: ffs stop hotdropping subcaps in super caps.
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Jyngo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:55:00 -
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The Hel has 0.000025km3 extra drone space not 25km3
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Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.01 18:57:00 -
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Good idea. I'll support that as long as the Wyvern and Aeon get their EHP nerfed by an equivalent amount.
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Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jyngo The Hel has 0.000025km3 extra drone space not 25km3
OK first off your an Idiot, when people say 25km3 they arent saying 25 KM3 they are saying 25k m3 as was stated above TWICE Stop posting if you cant read.But here if your Number dislexic they are talking about twenty five thousand meters cubed, not twenty five kilometers cubed.... ******
Originally by: Ogogov Good idea. I'll support that as long as the Wyvern and Aeon get their EHP nerfed by an equivalent amount.
I disagree altho i dont think this is necessary at all i carry 26 fb's and 10 fighters with no problem in the wyvern. More than enough really, but you missed the point of the post. The Wyvern and Aeon get a Tank bonus and the Hel and Nyx get a rep and damage bonus respectively. The Wyvern and Aeon don't get any other bonus's so why should the Hel and Nyx get A drone bay bonus?
Now if the Hel got a large speed bonus the Wyvern had a bonus to its ECM the Aeon had a bonus to something Amarr and Gallente got a Larger drone bay it would make sense. But at the moment if you count a larger drone bay as a bonus the non tank bonus sc's get two bonus's and the tanked sc's get one.
Now I know why all the gallente pilots are crying is cause its the second biggest advantage a nyx has over any other supercarrier. So they are like WAHHHHHHhh dont make the only good gallente ship closer to equal.
The Hel is a different Beast, and i feel sorry for it as its really got nothing going for it unless you nano it and speed tank capitals cause you cant be webbed....
But all in all the FIRST thing they need to fix about SC's is Shields and how their bonus's apply because repping 1 mil hp when a leviathan jumps into my wyvern is not cool nor fair. Not to mention the Appalling Cap recharge on Shield Supers its just terrible, but we have accepted that.
TL;DR FIX SHIELDS before you touch anything else about Super Carriers
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Skulldilocks
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Skulldilocks on 02/12/2010 04:44:49
Originally by: Bobbeh
Originally by: Jyngo The Hel has 0.000025km3 extra drone space not 25km3
OK first off your an Idiot, when people say 25km3 they arent saying 25 KM3 they are saying 25k m3 as was stated above TWICE Stop posting if you cant read.But here if your Number dislexic they are talking about twenty five thousand meters cubed, not twenty five kilometers cubed.... ******
OK first off you are BOTH idiots. 25Km3 (Twenty Five Cubic Kilometers) is the exact same thing as 25k M3 (Twenty Five Thousand Cubic Meters). HOW DOES I METRIC SYSTEM?
Edit: But no, please nerf supercarriers, don't boost their ridiculous BS drones or drone bays any more than they already are
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Rixiu
The Forgotten Navy
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rixiu on 02/12/2010 04:51:56 Here's an idea. Bring 20 FBs and 19 fighters and you can bring all the smaller drones you'll ever need along with some you'll never need.
http://piclair.com/019q0
Problem solved or did I miss something?
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Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Skulldilocks Edited by: Skulldilocks on 02/12/2010 04:44:49
Originally by: Bobbeh
Originally by: Jyngo The Hel has 0.000025km3 extra drone space not 25km3
OK first off your an Idiot, when people say 25km3 they arent saying 25 KM3 they are saying 25k m3 as was stated above TWICE Stop posting if you cant read.But here if your Number dislexic they are talking about twenty five thousand meters cubed, not twenty five kilometers cubed.... ******
OK first off you are BOTH idiots. 25Km3 (Twenty Five Cubic Kilometers) is the exact same thing as 25k M3 (Twenty Five Thousand Cubic Meters). HOW DOES I METRIC SYSTEM?
Edit: But no, please nerf supercarriers, don't boost their ridiculous BS drones or drone bays any more than they already are
your right i was thinking KKM3 and typing KM3 so i apologize, for that error. the GF was Distracting me...
And Why should they be nerf'd? they cant kill sup caps anymore and its not like having a full flight of fighters is OP, cause omg he has 20 fighters.... Shoot them then he has 0 fighters at which point you can engage out side of drone control range and laugh at them...... Just Saying.....
Vanilla Drones are nice if your fighting <60k from the target if the enemy fleet is 100k away vanilla drones are worthless.
Do you fly a super carrier?
Most people forget that Super carrier dps is all in the FB's and F's and those are easy to kill and expensive (relatively.) So Declaw them and they are harmless.
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Jyngo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.02 06:03:00 -
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25 km3 (25 cubic kilometers) is NOT 25 thousand cubic meters its 1000^3 (1 billion) cubic meters
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Xanenal
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 06:45:00 -
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A deadspace Nyx has the same size buffer as a deadspace Wyv. Slave implants trump anything shield tankers have, the only thing that comes close is officer invulns, which will run you the cost of a second SC. Will be that way until we get complex invulns, or a slave equivalent shield set. |
Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xanenal A deadspace Nyx has the same size buffer as a deadspace Wyv. Slave implants trump anything shield tankers have, the only thing that comes close is officer invulns, which will run you the cost of a second SC. Will be that way until we get complex invulns, or a slave equivalent shield set.
Really i find that hard to believe as i've never gotten a nyx above 34milehp and thats officer and deadspace fit with all the implants but no erebus booster. My wyvern sits at 43m ehp with implants and a fleet bonus but no levi
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