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CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.01 11:16:00 - [1] Dear Capsuleers, As you might have heard recently, we announced the removal of learning skills. This is a massive engineering challenge, much like the ongoing work we test through mass tests. To ensure a smooth rollout, we at CCP do what are called ôUpgrade Testsö. These are full upgrades of a copy of TQ, just like how Singularity always runs a so called ôMirrorö of TQ. For our final upgrade test, we need your help! The why As mentioned above, this is a giant task. We need as close to realistic test-data as possible to ensure that everything will happen smoothly when this goes to Tranquility. And thatÆs why we need you lovely people! The how Very simple. Log into Singularity between now and Friday morning, 01:00 UTC. You can use the Singularity launcher tool to do this. Set a skill queue which will last AT LEAST until Friday 01:30 UTC. Over the weekend, log into Singularity again and check that you have received the appropriate skill point and ISK reimbursement. If it wasnÆt, file a bug-report and we will look into it. But what do I get? Beyond the fact you of course will be getting the SP you have invested in learning skill back, we will running on the same principle as mass tests do. You help out, you get extra skill points on Singularity to use! WeÆre giving out 5 million skill points, on top of the reimbursed learning skill points you get. The criteria for getting these extra 5 million skill points, is that you have an active skill queue on Friday, 01:30 UTC. Very simple indeed. Please note that due to the sheer magnitude of this task, Singularity will be down for an extended period of time on Friday at the conclusion of the test, estimated around 7-12 hours. So the server might not be up till Friday afternoon. IÆm ready! Good! Just log into Singularity, set a skill queue that lasts till at least Friday 01.30 GMT. When you then log in on Saturday, check if all your skill points were reimbursed as expected. If they werenÆt, file a bug-report. Having done that, spend your newly available skill points weÆve given you on Singularity into whatever your heart desires and enjoy the weekend, knowing that the same will soon happen on Tranquility thanks to your help! As always, we really appreciate peopleÆs help with these sorts of things. So if you have 15 minutes to spare over the next day and a half, please take the time and help with ensuring that you will get the SP youÆre entitled to, come the impending removal of learning skills! Thanks in advance, CCP Stillman, on behalf of Team Yggdrasill and EVE QA.

Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.12.01 11:20:00 - [2] Login now. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Tankamos	Posted - 2010.12.01 12:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Tankamos on 01/12/2010 12:53:58 Originally by: CCP Stillman ... You help out, you get extra skill points on Singularity to use! WeÆre giving out 5 million skill points, on top of the reimbursed learning skill points you get. Getting SP for doing favors makes me feel a little dirty, much like I would doing sexual services for candy. Sweet and nice, but feels wrong
Alexander Angelos	Posted - 2010.12.01 12:56:00 - [4] Will do ;) But the problem is, how to make/find/send a bug report file?
Jacen Aris Caldari No.Mercy Merciless.	Posted - 2010.12.01 13:19:00 - [5] skills set..
Taak Coram Gallente Outdated Host Productions	Posted - 2010.12.01 13:25:00 - [6] 42 day queue set. This seems like a huge reward for such little work, but I won't complain.
Ziester Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.12.01 13:33:00 - [7] So little to do for Learnings reimbursement + 5m free ? You bet I'm in :D ----------
Martc Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.01 13:38:00 - [8] What happend if i will be curently training learning skill? Do you count with that case? Can i put learning skill in queue to test this situation?
Metasymbio Gallente CyberDyne industrial Agency Dominion of Darkness	Posted - 2010.12.01 13:45:00 - [9] Edited by: Metasymbio on 01/12/2010 13:44:53 It should be noted that the SiSi links in the main page article are broken.
Cheresznye Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.12.01 13:50:00 - [10] Hi, I would like to know how can I spend the reimbursed SPs. Do I have to do it at next login after the deployment? Or can I split them up and spend the SPs at different time points later on? Can I save some SPs for skills I don't have at the moment or with other words I will inject later? Cheers, Cher

Owen Yeates	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:15:00 - [11] The skills have been set !

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Martc What happend if i will be curently training learning skill? Do you count with that case? Can i put learning skill in queue to test this situation? You can set any skill as training. I'll personally be setting a learning skill to try and break things

Nyio	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:25:00 - [13] 35D skill set.

CCP Hypnotic	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:27:00 - [14] I have a bunch of learning skill books left over in the corp hanger. I will be hiding them all over EVE like an Easter egg hunt to make sure I still get reimbursed correctly. In corp hangers, in personal hangers, in anchored cans, in station vaults inside corp hangers in 0.0 systems, Etc,. There is a spreadsheet.

Tankamos	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:29:00 - [15] I have now set a skill that will stop while the server is down. And start a new one as well. Both are learning skills.

CCP Spitfire	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:32:00 - [16] Inappropriate post removed. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Alexis Sapphire	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:34:00 - [17] Several accounts set. This really is a cake reward for doing next to nothing, but if you all think it will help, I'm more than happy to take the extra 5 mil SP. Thanks!
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:39:00 - [18] Skill set. Testing is good, mmmkay? --Vel
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:40:00 - [19] Edited by: Tonto Auri on 01/12/2010 14:41:48 Originally by: Alexander Angelos Will do ;) But the problem is, how to make/find/send a bug report file? Did you saw the navigation menu on the left side of EVE website?... Originally by: CCP Stillman You can set any skill as training. I'll personally be setting a learning skill to try and break things Same here ;) Originally by: CCP Hypnotic I have a bunch of learning skill books left over in the corp hanger. I will be hiding them all over EVE like an Easter egg hunt to make sure I still get reimbursed correctly. In corp hangers, in personal hangers, in anchored cans, in station vaults inside corp hangers in 0.0 systems, Etc,. There is a spreadsheet. Although tempting, unfortunatelly, I don't have much time to execute similar test :( -- Thanks CCP for cu
TLWE Dark Angel Confederation	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:44:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Spitfire Inappropriate post removed. Truth is always inappropriate. Silencing a voice of dissent doesn't change the way things are. No offense meant to anyone. -- B=g, Honor, Nar=d. Semper Fidelis. Nec Hercules Contra Plures.

Chruker	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:54:00 - [21] It might be a good idea to tell people to take a screenshot of their skillqueue before, so they can easy compare it with what they get. ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi
streetzie	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:02:00 - [22] May be a silly question but are these 5mil extra sp able to be used on the main server?
Learath	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:03:00 - [23] Setting skills queue now.

CCP Hypnotic	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:06:00 - [24] Originally by: streetzie May be a silly question but are these 5mil extra sp able to be used on the main server? No, they will be on the Singularity server only. They will be available for you to spend until the next deletion and re-mirror of the Sisi database, which currently is not scheduled. I can guarantee at least three weeks, probably more.

Des'tai Wushyr	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:20:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Hypnotic Originally by: streetzie May be a silly question but are these 5mil extra sp able to be used on the main server? No, they will be on the Singularity server only. They will be available for you to spend until the next deletion and re-mirror of the Sisi database, which currently is not scheduled. I can guarantee at least three weeks, probably more.
Jdestars Stars Research systems Incorporation	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:22:00 - [26] setting queue too
Sylviria Bendebeukers Green Rhino	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:24:00 - [27] Queue set! "If you are standing on the toilet, you are high on pot"
giusseppe Caldari scorpion explorers	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:32:00 - [28] updating the client and setting the skills
Bolsak	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:41:00 - [29] Is the bonus of 5 million skill points credited to Tranquility or Singularity? "You help out, you get extra skill points on Singularity to use! WeÆre giving out 5 million skill points, on top of the reimbursed learning skill points you get."
Assaj Ventress	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:44:00 - [30] Edited by: Assaj Ventress on 01/12/2010 15:44:08 Originally by: CCP Hypnotic Originally by: streetzie May be a silly question but are these 5mil extra sp able to be used on the main server? No, they will be on the Singularity server only. They will be available for you to spend until the next deletion and re-mirror of the Sisi database, which currently is not scheduled. I can guarantee at least three weeks, probably more. So these 5m SP won't survive sisi mirrors as other mass testing 2m sp gifts did? -----------------

Bill Spark	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Des'tai Wushyr Not meaning to be rude but how would 5 mil on a test server only be an incentive for us to stop our training que on Tranquility for a period of 36 hours or more? We can't interact with our Corp's Can't make any transactions or actions that have to do with the real server and then in 3 weeks it goes away. It's actually going to provide more frustration at seeing what one could have but with the knowledge that it doesn't count and won't be permanent. Why on earth would you stop your skill que on tranquility? And who said that you will have to spend the entire time on Sisi? You just log in, set your skill on Sisi, go back to tq and do whatever you want then log in to Sisi and try out the system.
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Des'tai Wushyr Not meaning to be rude but how would 5 mil on a test server only be an incentive for us to stop our training que on Tranquility for a period of 36 hours or more? Why would taking part in this mass-test interfere with your business on Tranquility? nobody asks you to stop your learning queue on tq - and imo extra SP on sisi can be useful to decide which skills to train next on tq (always try before buy ;) - if not having each skill at lvl V is frustrating to you, you have to play EVE in a constant state of denial as is...
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Des'tai Wushyr Not meaning to be rude but how would 5 mil on a test server only be an incentive for us to stop our training que on Tranquility for a period of 36 hours or more? We can't interact with our Corp's Can't make any transactions or actions that have to do with the real server and then in 3 weeks it goes away. It's actually going to provide more frustration at seeing what one could have but with the knowledge that it doesn't count and won't be permanent. It is on the test server you are supposed to set this skill, not on TQ.
Des'tai Wushyr	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Originally by: Des'tai Wushyr Not meaning to be rude but how would 5 mil on a test server only be an incentive for us to stop our training que on Tranquility for a period of 36 hours or more? Why would taking part in this mass-test interfere with your business on Tranquility? nobody asks you to stop your learning queue on tq - and imo extra SP on sisi can be useful to decide which skills to train next on tq (always try before buy ;) - if not having each skill at lvl V is frustrating to you, you have to play EVE in a constant state of denial as is... [:\| I realize now that both servers are independent of each other and aren't in conflict. I have set the que in singularity and am happy to help.
Gehen Sealbreaker	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:04:00 - [35] I just logged on Sisi and started training Starbase Defense Management V... Should last long enough :D Side note : the new Sisi Launcher is impressive ! All is automated now, no more creating shortcuts with custom parameters and so on - so everybody should be able to log on Singularity. P.S. : Yay ! Noctis to redeem ! Thanks, I wanted to give it a try :)
xUnkn0wn	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:05:00 - [36] So when the the change happens on TQ on the 14th..do ppl who help now with this get 5m extra on TQ or do we just get it now on Sisi to test around with? Good! Just log into Singularity, set a skill queue that lasts till at least Friday 01.30 GMT. When you then log in on Saturday, check if all your skill points were reimbursed as expected. If they werenÆt, file a bug-report. Having done that, spend your newly available skill points weÆve given you on Singularity into whatever your heart desires and enjoy the weekend, (((((knowing that the same will soon happen on Tranquility thanks to your help!))))))))

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Des'tai Wushyr Not meaning to be rude but how would 5 mil on a test server only be an incentive for us to stop our training que on Tranquility for a period of 36 hours or more? We can't interact with our Corp's Can't make any transactions or actions that have to do with the real server and then in 3 weeks it goes away. It's actually going to provide more frustration at seeing what one could have but with the knowledge that it doesn't count and won't be permanent. Setting a skill on Singularity does not affect anything on Tranquility. Singularity is a "copy" of Tranquility, which runs totally indepdentently. So nothing you do on Singularity will have any effect on Tranquility. As others mention, this is a very small thing we're asking everybody to do. It's literally a couple of minutes of work


CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:05:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Hypnotic I have a bunch of learning skill books left over in the corp hanger. I will be hiding them all over EVE like an Easter egg hunt to make sure I still get reimbursed correctly. In corp hangers, in personal hangers, in anchored cans, in station vaults inside corp hangers in 0.0 systems, Etc,. There is a spreadsheet. You just like making my life hard, don't you?

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Des'tai Wushyr Not meaning to be rude but how would 5 mil on a test server only be an incentive for us to stop our training que on Tranquility for a period of 36 hours or more? Wat? Who on earth told you to do that? Quote: We can't interact with our Corp's Can't make any transactions or actions that have to do with the real server Waaat? What the hell you're talking about, dude? Singularity is absolutely parallel to Tranquility. Nothing you do on it would impact you on TQ (well, as long as you're not being an idiot and not breaking SiSi rules, which, when fairly relaxing, have a few explicit denial statememnts you MUST obey to.) Quote: and then in 3 weeks it goes away. You concerned? Quote: It's actually going to provide more frustration Actually, it's you providing frustration. If it's hard for you to understand the concept of a test server, don't visit this forum any more, thanks. -- Thanks CCP for cu

CCP Hypnotic	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Assaj Ventress So these 5m SP won't survive sisi mirrors as other mass testing 2m sp gifts did? Those skill points survived because the Mass Test Master CCP Habakuk manually gave them out again after the mirror. He did this because the mirror was so close to the last mass test (only a few days after) and because he's an all around nice guy. I'm not so nice and think about a month is plenty of time to play around with new skills and ship types on Singularity you don't have the skills for on TQ. Remember, if you have all learning skills a V and participate in this mass test you will end up with over 10 million skill points to apply as you like on Singularity. Sounds like a sweet deal to me for only a few minutes work. Even if it only lasts for a few weeks.


Hallane Crypsus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:20:00 - [41] Can I get a date for the new mirror? Character I am using now wasn't on the account when the last mirror was rolled out.
Lan Staz	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:25:00 - [42] Will a paused skill queue qualify? I'd like to test the case where I have a learning skill in a paused skill queue at 1:30 on Friday, but I'd prefer not to lose out on the 5m SP.
Des'tai Wushyr	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: Des'tai Wushyr Not meaning to be rude but how would 5 mil on a test server only be an incentive for us to stop our training que on Tranquility for a period of 36 hours or more? Wat? Who on earth told you to do that? Quote: We can't interact with our Corp's Can't make any transactions or actions that have to do with the real server Waaat? What the hell you're talking about, dude? Singularity is absolutely parallel to Tranquility. Nothing you do on it would impact you on TQ (well, as long as you're not being an idiot and not breaking SiSi rules, which, when fairly relaxing, have a few explicit denial statememnts you MUST obey to.) Quote: and then in 3 weeks it goes away. You concerned? Quote: It's actually going to provide more frustration Actually, it's you providing frustration. If it's hard for you to understand the concept of a test server, don't visit this forum any more, thanks. Apparently you don't read through all posts before you comment. My question had not been brought up previously, I did post a retraction to my comment. I'm new to the game and am entiled to ask any questions I wish and if you can't post to a forumn without respecting that people make the ocassionaly mistake then perhaps it is you who should cease viisting them. I have set the que on singularity and am happy to help as I have stated.
Trebor Daehdoow	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:35:00 - [44] Notes for Mac users. 1) The autoupdate does not work. 2) The SiSi full client download delivers (at least to me) a damaged DMG archive that cannot be opened. 3) The instructions on how to make a SiSi client in the stickied thread point to a page on the wiki with no Mac-specific info. 4) The correct way to get this running on the Mac is to make a copy of your current TQ app and preferences, then edit the Info.plist in the package to point to both the new preferences file and add the key/value pair that tells the client to talk to SiSi, as documented on this wiki page. 5) Mac users should get 10m SP instead of 5 to compensate for the extra aggravation. Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician The most expensive free trip to Iceland you'll ever win!
Lunaon	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:46:00 - [45] Some people just can't read.
Toscaria Amarr Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:49:00 - [46] Starting my queue now, but! I have one quick question for you since I am confused by this reimbursement process. By having us set a long skill, do you intend to put our reimbursed skillpoints into the active skill in the queue? I was under the impression that this reimbursement would happen as it has in the past: We receive X amount of SP from CCP which we can then apply to whatever skills we like in whatever amounts we like. But this process seems like you want to plug our reimbursed SP directly into our skill queue? Seems odd; I would appreciate it if you would clear up this little detail.
Blind Philip	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:55:00 - [47] Much love for the SISI launcher fixes CCP
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:00:00 - [48] Long skills set, on two accounts Thanks so much for this possibility! - Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
Kary Tamona	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:01:00 - [49] Skill set :) Idle question, for someone with pretty much all non capital combat skills trained, how many SP are needed to fly a poorly fitted titan? Will the 10 million SP I'll get this weekend suffice? Any hint how to spend those SP to get to fly a titan?
Manipulator General o.0	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:11:00 - [50] Edited by: Manipulator General on 01/12/2010 17:14:04 Originally by: CCP Stillman But what do I get? Beyond the fact you of course will be getting the SP you have invested in learning skill back, we will running on the same principle as mass tests do. You help out, you get extra skill points on Singularity to use! Sweet, count me in. Edit - just noticed the Singularity part, nvm.

Emma Royd Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:26:00 - [51] 3 Chars done, various skills, 1 learning, 1 with 2 skills, and 1 28 day +_+ Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
LightBinger Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:39:00 - [52] I would love to help with this. Anyone know where to download the test server so i can particapate with this? Thank you kindly.
Rancer Hoard	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:40:00 - [53] Ehm guys...sorry if i dont understand...wht kind of skill queue i should set?''normal'' skills, learning skills, or whatever i want??
Almgard	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:44:00 - [54] Well...i think if ccp give 5m sp for this on TQ server,well,now singularity will be overheated and blowed up by the huge increase of number of players in it =)=)
Raid'En	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:45:00 - [55] Edited by: Raid''En on 01/12/2010 17:45:25 the SP reward willl be on the char with training active i suppose ? others char on account won't get it, so we have to activate the skills queue on the char we want free SPs ? also did you though about trying to set up a skill which will finish DURING the DT on sisi to try to break things ? ---------------- Wormhole Trading
Greshick Gallente Armored Elite Concordokken.	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:54:00 - [56] Clarity 5 set :)
Jacob Straven Caldari black-body Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:55:00 - [57] Edited by: Jacob Straven on 01/12/2010 17:55:57 Queue set :) Edit: NVM question already answered elsewhere :P
Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:04:00 - [58] Originally by: Rancer Hoard Ehm guys...sorry if i dont understand...wht kind of skill queue i should set?''normal'' skills, learning skills, or whatever i want?? Whatever you wish. Some are setting learning skills simply to see if it breaks the system. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:13:00 - [59] 4 chars now training on Sisi AND ...The Sisi launcher is pretty cool... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Rita Ace	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:14:00 - [60] just logged onto singularity... pretty cool. i'm just a little sad my copied account doesn't have much of the nice things i progressed to already. I guess the last mirror happened when i was still pretty new, so I really went back a few steps. gotta go nab me some skillbooks to actually train!

Dmoney3788 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:24:00 - [61] Does this work for multiple accounts? Because I might want to train up capital ship construction on one and fighter bombers on the other
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:27:00 - [62] check your ccp folder, it should have 2 eve folders now. : )
TaTiK Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:27:00 - [63] Edited by: TaTiK on 01/12/2010 18:28:49 FAIL to log in How old Logins are using for singularity now at this time
NewGit Caldari Rusty Industries	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:39:00 - [64] I thought everything on SiSi was supposed to be 100 isk ? Any ways, items redeemed, skills set, learning skill books being hidden in various locations (will they fit into POS gun storage I wonder ?) --------------* Member of the PTA (Pod Tankers Anonymous) Real carebears pod-tank ! Padding (other people's) KB stats since '08 !
Casanunda Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:50:00 - [65] I'm in, Minmatar BS IV is set, should finish some time on 7 Dec I can see the learning reimbursment + the 5 million being spanked on something silly
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:50:00 - [66] Might be a good idea for all those fapping over the 5mil SP to keep in mind that the next mirror will wipe that out again :P Just sayin'. ---
Phil Bob Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:52:00 - [67] Queue set!
Dmoney3788 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:55:00 - [68] Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Might be a good idea for all those fapping over the 5mil SP to keep in mind that the next mirror will wipe that out again :P Just sayin'. For a couple minutes of work (besides the 45 min to download the new patch ) Its worth it.
Mark Satro	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:55:00 - [69] Sweet deal. I'm queuing up Learning to see what happens! I hear you dev folks like it when we play with fire on your babies.
Anubis208	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:56:00 - [70] Reporting for duty....AWU 5 and some ship command skills in que set to finish Saturday. so, for characters on the same account with learning skills, the reimbursement goes to that specific character still right? So does that mean to apply skill points on your alts (on the same account)you have to pause your main accounts training?

Vizdak	Posted - 2010.12.01 19:13:00 - [71] So I logged into SiSi, queued up four days of skills, but I don't see a second folder for Eve Singularity under the CCP folder. I also don't have my new ship or the same wallet size on Singularity. Will the extra 5mil SP be applied no matter what server I am on? I am fairly new to the EVE universe and may be missing something rather simple. Thanks!
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.12.01 19:14:00 - [72] Originally by: Dmoney3788 Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Might be a good idea for all those fapping over the 5mil SP to keep in mind that the next mirror will wipe that out again :P Just sayin'. For a couple minutes of work (besides the 45 min to download the new patch ) Its worth it. There's no new patch, it's a direct copy of your TQ folder you need to hop on. ---
ramasun	Posted - 2010.12.01 19:20:00 - [73] Edited by: ramasun on 01/12/2010 19:26:00 ok i done the queque skill i understend that is a separate client....because i cant see my corp my money are low..ecc ecc...and that is ok...my concern is how to get the bpo and book that they give me like redeem item in my real account ??? thank you to all mmm be nice with me...lol dunno if i done everything correctly
Vizdak	Posted - 2010.12.01 19:29:00 - [74] Edited by: Vizdak on 01/12/2010 19:29:55 Ok, so I reread this thread and realized that the Singularity changes don't effect Tranquility. However, do the 5mil sp go to the Tranquility server for our assistance in testing on the Singularity server? I've queued up skills either way, but was just curious. Thanks again guys! EDIT: Also curious about the redeeming process :-)
FireT Gallente Royal Advanced Industries Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.12.01 19:33:00 - [75] Logged in and qued. Quick question. how much skill divergence between SiSi and Tranquility is there possible? Never logged into SiSi so I do not know how often the server is updated with Tranquility. Thanks in advance for enlightening me.

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Vizdak Edited by: Vizdak on 01/12/2010 19:29:55 Ok, so I reread this thread and realized that the Singularity changes don't effect Tranquility. However, do the 5mil sp go to the Tranquility server for our assistance in testing on the Singularity server? I've queued up skills either way, but was just curious. Thanks again guys! EDIT: Also curious about the redeeming process :-) The 5 million bonus SP is only for Singularity, to allow you to try new things on Singularity.

Dmoney3788 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:22:00 - [77] Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja There's no new patch, it's a direct copy of your TQ folder you need to hop on. Weird. WHen I connected to the test server it wanted me to dl a new patch or something.
Aidan Patrick Zero Point Group	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:29:00 - [78] Edited by: Aidan Patrick on 01/12/2010 20:35:39 Awesome reward.. but unforutnately I am a bit miffed about one thing. Yes, it's my fault.. but let me explain. Initially when I read the dev blog stating the 5 million SP reward I shouted out with glee, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All! I got so excited I completely overlooked the server name "Singularity". As you can imagine I was very dissapointed and sad when I read into it a little more. All in all it kinda sucks that theres no reward for this on the live server, though for the amount of work it probrably isn't warranted. Now when mirroring these servers we lose rewards we get for helping mass test. This is not a good thing in my opinion and the fact that that reward isn't something I get to keep.. Makes me not want to test. I'm still going to though because I love CCP and I love EVE, but why don't you guys do this...? Make a script or program that can be ran after each re-mirror of the server. That script does one simple task.. It just adds mass test SP awards to the mappable SP pool on a character. You basically just keep a spreadsheet or database with a list of characters and their current reward pool. Each time they participate and get a new reward you just add the new SP amount to the already existing pool. Then, each time the server is re-mirrored everyone gets their rewards back. This has several pros and only one con. Let me elaborate! PROS Testers Actually Feel Rewarded Promotes return of testers for more mass test events Once implimented, simple to "Inject Skillpoints" over again. ;) Allows return testers to properly test skill dependent features even if they do not already have the skills required. They just use their reward pool and apply it to the features needing to be tested. CONS Initial Setup And this guy... The implimentation methods I could think of were these... Redeem Items, afterall a CCP blog post referred to skillpoints as items Post re-mirror script Anyways it's obviously not a huge concern, but something like this needs to be a little more clear on where the rewards are going (Calling the test server Sisi AND Singularity can be misleading at times) and a little bit more longevity on rewards would be nice. - Aidan Patrick
SlayerOfArgus Gallente Hermes Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:40:00 - [79] I have a question CCP. Why did you change the prices of everything on sisi to ridiculous amounts? It's makes testing things very difficult On a side note, I have my skill set
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:43:00 - [80] Let's get real. The only way removing these skills is a "massive engineering challenge" or a "giant task" is if your coders or QA department are incompetent. And since we know all about your QA department, you're really casting your programmers in a bad light here.

Zoran Vezaru	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:54:00 - [81] All skills set.
Tsabrock Gallente Circle of Friends	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:58:00 - [82] The 100 isk markets were reseeded incorrectly in the last mirror, but they have since manually gone back and reseeded FD-MLJ with the 100isk items. As for my personal test, I'm training a couple skills as normal on my two account, but I have 4 characters (two on each account) that have learning skills. It'll be interesting to see if all characters get the skill points they're supposed to. And to try and throw-in another monkey wrench - my main on SiSi still has 100k skill points left over from Tyrannis. Although he's spent them on TQ recently, I'm keeping them on my SiSi version to see if it'll cause any complications :) --- If you've read something I posted and want to contact me, EVE-Mail me, or contact me via EVE Gate.
Tsabrock Gallente Circle of Friends	Posted - 2010.12.01 21:05:00 - [83] I just had another thought - people that are currently training learning skills could possibly end-up with the incorrect number of skillpoints returned to them. The overall skill point value of the character no-longer changes automatically until a skill is finished training (or if the Queue is paused). I think I'll adjust one of my character's skill training now to test that. BTW, I'm also curious on how my main character's overall skill training will be affected. He's had all learning skills to Level 5 for years now (minus Charisma), along with +5 Implants. He'll be in that small minority of players that will actually loose a tiny amount off of his attributes (0.3 I believe). While it's a small bummer to loose any points from your attributes, the benefit of getting back all of the points from the learning skills makes-up for it). --- If you've read something I posted and want to contact me, EVE-Mail me, or contact me via EVE Gate.
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.12.01 21:18:00 - [84] I guess the "15 minutes to spare" doesn't include the speedy 90 minute download of the "incremental" client update that weighs in at 2.6 GB.
Davelantor Caldari The Hunt United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.01 21:37:00 - [85] Will put a learning skill to the queue just to bug test :D The Hunt
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.12.01 21:41:00 - [86] Originally by: Swidgen I guess the "15 minutes to spare" doesn't include the speedy 90 minute download of the "incremental" client update that weighs in at 2.6 GB. For all your rudeness you're doing it so incredibly wrong, I cannot help but laugh my head off. http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php For all of you who have ever wanted to get 'that specific patch' from one version to another for either TQ or SISI, have a go at that page. It's also a great way to check if the servers are up and what the usercounts are at any given time without having to relog. As for how much of a task this is, I suggest you go read up on databases and how they work and tie into real-time clock driven programs; then I suggest you ponder for a moment the massive amount of database entries that have to be modified, keeping in mind that any given account can have up to 3 characters on it that may have learning skills trained on them and that all accounts, even those that have not been active since 2003, need to have this done to them. ---
Daenna Chrysi Amarr Psychedelic Party lNERVl	Posted - 2010.12.01 21:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Aidan Patrick Edited by: Aidan Patrick on 01/12/2010 20:35:39 Awesome reward.. but unforutnately I am a bit miffed about one thing. Yes, it's my fault.. but let me explain. Initially when I read the dev blog stating the 5 million SP reward I shouted out with glee, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All! I got so excited I completely overlooked the server name "Singularity". As you can imagine I was very dissapointed and sad when I read into it a little more. All in all it kinda sucks that theres no reward for this on the live server, though for the amount of work it probrably isn't warranted. Now when mirroring these servers we lose rewards we get for helping mass test. This is not a good thing in my opinion and the fact that that reward isn't something I get to keep.. Makes me not want to test. I'm still going to though because I love CCP and I love EVE, but why don't you guys do this...? Make a script or program that can be ran after each re-mirror of the server. That script does one simple task.. It just adds mass test SP awards to the mappable SP pool on a character. You basically just keep a spreadsheet or database with a list of characters and their current reward pool. Each time they participate and get a new reward you just add the new SP amount to the already existing pool. Then, each time the server is re-mirrored everyone gets their rewards back. This has several pros and only one con. Let me elaborate! PROS Testers Actually Feel Rewarded Promotes return of testers for more mass test events Once implimented, simple to "Inject Skillpoints" over again. ;) Allows return testers to properly test skill dependent features even if they do not already have the skills required. They just use their reward pool and apply it to the features needing to be tested. CONS Initial Setup And this guy... The implimentation methods I could think of were these... Redeem Items, afterall a CCP blog post referred to skillpoints as items Post re-mirror script Anyways it's obviously not a huge concern, but something like this needs to be a little more clear on where the rewards are going (Calling the test server Sisi AND Singularity can be misleading at times) and a little bit more longevity on rewards would be nice. Seconded.
Keras Authion	Posted - 2010.12.01 21:43:00 - [88] Skills set and written down on paper.
pygonis Gallente We Hate Blobs Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.01 22:01:00 - [89] 7d queue set
0mni Ca	Posted - 2010.12.01 22:21:00 - [90] Good luck, I hope the test goes well as I approve of the removal of the Learning Skills.

Alvin Exe Corporation.exe	Posted - 2010.12.01 22:25:00 - [91] Edited by: Alvin Exe on 01/12/2010 22:27:39 Cause testing means "do the worst you can do to stress the serv as well as the devs", I started an advanced learning skill to V :p edit: courrier contract with learning skill book as well
Zopha Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.	Posted - 2010.12.01 22:35:00 - [92] What are the chances of getting an account re-activated on Sisi for this? Only resubbed a few days ago.
Delaeon Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.01 22:52:00 - [93] Originally by: Zopha What are the chances of getting an account re-activated on Sisi for this? Only resubbed a few days ago. Here you go. Stickied thread for that purpose.

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.01 22:58:00 - [94] Originally by: Alvin Exe Edited by: Alvin Exe on 01/12/2010 22:27:39 Cause testing means "do the worst you can do to stress the serv as well as the devs", I started an advanced learning skill to V :p edit: courrier contract with learning skill book as well Originally by: Tsabrock I just had another thought - people that are currently training learning skills could possibly end-up with the incorrect number of skillpoints returned to them. The overall skill point value of the character no-longer changes automatically until a skill is finished training (or if the Queue is paused). I think I'll adjust one of my character's skill training now to test that. BTW, I'm also curious on how my main character's overall skill training will be affected. He's had all learning skills to Level 5 for years now (minus Charisma), along with +5 Implants. He'll be in that small minority of players that will actually loose a tiny amount off of his attributes (0.3 I believe). While it's a small bummer to loose any points from your attributes, the benefit of getting back all of the points from the learning skills makes-up for it). You guys are creative. Nice work

MC187	Posted - 2010.12.01 23:50:00 - [95] done, on both toons.
dreamhole	Posted - 2010.12.01 23:55:00 - [96] 8 days set
Sathugo	Posted - 2010.12.02 00:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Kary Tamona Idle question, for someone with pretty much all non capital combat skills trained, how many SP are needed to fly a poorly fitted titan? Will the 10 million SP I'll get this weekend suffice? Any hint how to spend those SP to get to fly a titan? Just for bleeps and giggles I used eve mon to put a titan into the skill que of a character I created but havent trained any skills for yet. The total SP for the training was 8.5M so 10 M would be more than enough to fly a titan... but that dosn't include any modules. I used a fit from battleclinic and the total SP went up to 16M so depending on how much of that you already have trained you should be able to fly one... the problem will just be building it...
Hawk TT Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.12.02 00:23:00 - [98] 5 x Accounts set with 16d+ skill queues 2 x Accounts set with learning skills Some books: a) In station containers b) In cargo holds c) Injected, but not trained ___________________________________ Science & Diplomacy Manager @ BECKS Circle-of-Two
13diggety	Posted - 2010.12.02 00:33:00 - [99] Skill que set!
Dumgard T-Cells The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.12.02 00:51:00 - [100] Skill set!

Demyen	Posted - 2010.12.02 01:40:00 - [101] Originally by: Daenna Chrysi Originally by: Aidan Patrick Edited by: Aidan Patrick on 01/12/2010 20:35:39 Awesome reward.. but unforutnately I am a bit miffed about one thing. Yes, it's my fault.. but let me explain. Initially when I read the dev blog stating the 5 million SP reward I shouted out with glee, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All! I got so excited I completely overlooked the server name "Singularity". As you can imagine I was very dissapointed and sad when I read into it a little more. All in all it kinda sucks that theres no reward for this on the live server, though for the amount of work it probrably isn't warranted. Now when mirroring these servers we lose rewards we get for helping mass test. This is not a good thing in my opinion and the fact that that reward isn't something I get to keep.. Makes me not want to test. I'm still going to though because I love CCP and I love EVE, but why don't you guys do this...? Make a script or program that can be ran after each re-mirror of the server. That script does one simple task.. It just adds mass test SP awards to the mappable SP pool on a character. You basically just keep a spreadsheet or database with a list of characters and their current reward pool. Each time they participate and get a new reward you just add the new SP amount to the already existing pool. Then, each time the server is re-mirrored everyone gets their rewards back. This has several pros and only one con. Let me elaborate! PROS Testers Actually Feel Rewarded Promotes return of testers for more mass test events Once implimented, simple to "Inject Skillpoints" over again. ;) Allows return testers to properly test skill dependent features even if they do not already have the skills required. They just use their reward pool and apply it to the features needing to be tested. CONS Initial Setup And this guy... The implimentation methods I could think of were these... Redeem Items, afterall a CCP blog post referred to skillpoints as items Post re-mirror script Anyways it's obviously not a huge concern, but something like this needs to be a little more clear on where the rewards are going (Calling the test server Sisi AND Singularity can be misleading at times) and a little bit more longevity on rewards would be nice. Seconded. Thirdeded.
Theqwert125 Qwertian Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.02 02:00:00 - [102] One Adv learning to V and another injected with zero points.
Ziester Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.12.02 02:11:00 - [103] Originally by: Demyen Originally by: Daenna Chrysi Originally by: Aidan Patrick Edited by: Aidan Patrick on 01/12/2010 20:35:39 Awesome reward.. but unforutnately I am a bit miffed about one thing. Yes, it's my fault.. but let me explain. Initially when I read the dev blog stating the 5 million SP reward I shouted out with glee, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All! I got so excited I completely overlooked the server name "Singularity". As you can imagine I was very dissapointed and sad when I read into it a little more. All in all it kinda sucks that theres no reward for this on the live server, though for the amount of work it probrably isn't warranted. Now when mirroring these servers we lose rewards we get for helping mass test. This is not a good thing in my opinion and the fact that that reward isn't something I get to keep.. Makes me not want to test. I'm still going to though because I love CCP and I love EVE, but why don't you guys do this...? Make a script or program that can be ran after each re-mirror of the server. That script does one simple task.. It just adds mass test SP awards to the mappable SP pool on a character. You basically just keep a spreadsheet or database with a list of characters and their current reward pool. Each time they participate and get a new reward you just add the new SP amount to the already existing pool. Then, each time the server is re-mirrored everyone gets their rewards back. This has several pros and only one con. Let me elaborate! PROS Testers Actually Feel Rewarded Promotes return of testers for more mass test events Once implimented, simple to "Inject Skillpoints" over again. ;) Allows return testers to properly test skill dependent features even if they do not already have the skills required. They just use their reward pool and apply it to the features needing to be tested. CONS Initial Setup And this guy... The implimentation methods I could think of were these... Redeem Items, afterall a CCP blog post referred to skillpoints as items Post re-mirror script Anyways it's obviously not a huge concern, but something like this needs to be a little more clear on where the rewards are going (Calling the test server Sisi AND Singularity can be misleading at times) and a little bit more longevity on rewards would be nice. Seconded. Thirdeded. Fourthed. ----------
elitatwo	Posted - 2010.12.02 02:37:00 - [104] Cant wait to spend somewhat about 10 mio Skillpoints Muahahah Motherships here I come!
Ziester Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.12.02 02:38:00 - [105] Edited by: Ziester on 02/12/2010 02:38:16 Originally by: Assaj Ventress Remember, if you have all learning skills a V and participate in this mass test you will end up with over 10 million skill points to apply as you like on Singularity. Oh Sweet Moses. Well I guess close to 7m will be huge enough ----------
mack trucker Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.12.02 02:54:00 - [106] do we need to be in a specfic system, and is there going to be any pvp, i kinda need to know to weather or not to have my toon and assest moved.
scar mal	Posted - 2010.12.02 02:55:00 - [107] now seeding 100 books in 100 differnt stations i hope you enjoy. now to insure that i get the correct reimbursment for each book, will it be given at the "test" cost of 100isk per item, or is it a pre definded amount for each book as it would be on the live server?
Hawk64	Posted - 2010.12.02 03:12:00 - [108] Sounds good to me sign me up
Cresalle	Posted - 2010.12.02 03:43:00 - [109] Originally by: CCP Stillman Originally by: CCP Hypnotic I have a bunch of learning skill books left over in the corp hanger. I will be hiding them all over EVE like an Easter egg hunt to make sure I still get reimbursed correctly. In corp hangers, in personal hangers, in anchored cans, in station vaults inside corp hangers in 0.0 systems, Etc,. There is a spreadsheet. You just like making my life hard, don't you? Glad you've got people thinking this way. (I think you are too.)
TsurugiSan	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:19:00 - [110] WHEE!!! Fighters 5 on the way!!

The DudeTf	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:22:00 - [111] Skill set.
Theqwert125 Qwertian Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:25:00 - [112] Originally by: Cresalle Edited by: Cresalle on 02/12/2010 03:56:43 Edited by: Cresalle on 02/12/2010 03:48:07 Originally by: CCP Stillman Originally by: CCP Hypnotic I have a bunch of learning skill books left over in the corp hanger. I will be hiding them all over EVE like an Easter egg hunt to make sure I still get reimbursed correctly. In corp hangers, in personal hangers, in anchored cans, in station vaults inside corp hangers in 0.0 systems, Etc,. There is a spreadsheet. You just like making my life hard, don't you? Glad you've got people thinking this way. (I think you are too.) Remember to do a skillbook inside a can that's inside a ship that's inside a courier package that's inside a ship that's in a ship array whose control tower has been destroyed. ... owned by a closed corporation and anchored by a bio-massed character?
Thalees Vendur Lonetrek Henker Clan	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:38:00 - [113] skills set.. _________________________________ www.bassdrive.com, Drum&Bass 24/7
Celfea Dur	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:41:00 - [114] Originally by: Theqwert125 Originally by: Cresalle Edited by: Cresalle on 02/12/2010 03:56:43 Edited by: Cresalle on 02/12/2010 03:48:07 Originally by: CCP Stillman Originally by: CCP Hypnotic I have a bunch of learning skill books left over in the corp hanger. I will be hiding them all over EVE like an Easter egg hunt to make sure I still get reimbursed correctly. In corp hangers, in personal hangers, in anchored cans, in station vaults inside corp hangers in 0.0 systems, Etc,. There is a spreadsheet. You just like making my life hard, don't you? Glad you've got people thinking this way. (I think you are too.) Remember to do a skillbook inside a can that's inside a ship that's inside a courier package that's inside a ship that's in a ship array whose control tower has been destroyed. ... owned by a closed corporation and anchored by a bio-massed character? How about lining up a few frigates with skill books in the cargo bays, and blowing them up just before the server goes down so that some of the wrecks would have books inside? haha
Draconus Lofwyr Gallente Omber Company Legion of Honor	Posted - 2010.12.02 05:07:00 - [115] skills set, also put skillbooks into the corp hangar of several capital ships to find out if the corp or i get the credits. another guy is going to place the books in a secure can anchored in wormhole space. and in an abandoned ship cargo bay in wormhole space. DL
Conventia Underking Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.02 05:41:00 - [116] This reminds me of a bug I found (but didn't report) where I lost skillpoints because I transferred a character to another account while training.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.12.02 06:27:00 - [117] Edited by: Baneken on 02/12/2010 06:27:47 So I guess it's time to log in alts as well for TQ those extra 5mil sure help on planning what skills to have next with alt. As a side note I already have my main & science alts furiously "pumping" lvl V learning skills on TQ since this change was announced. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Battossai	Posted - 2010.12.02 07:00:00 - [118] Skill queue set
Spc One Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.02 07:10:00 - [119] Edited by: Spc One on 02/12/2010 07:14:32 I am glad i can help you out with that test. Originally by: CCP Hypnotic Originally by: Assaj Ventress So these 5m SP won't survive sisi mirrors as other mass testing 2m sp gifts did? Those skill points survived because the Mass Test Master CCP Habakuk manually gave them out again after the mirror. He did this because the mirror was so close to the last mass test (only a few days after) and because he's an all around nice guy. I'm not so nice and think about a month is plenty of time to play around with new skills and ship types on Singularity you don't have the skills for on TQ. Remember, if you have all learning skills a V and participate in this mass test you will end up with over 10 million skill points to apply as you like on Singularity. Sounds like a sweet deal to me for only a few minutes work. Even if it only lasts for a few weeks. Will ccp give same "base attributs" as player having all learning skills to level 5 ? Because if not, players with all level 5 learning skills (as myself) will after the patch learn slower, which is sad. I invested so much time on my alt to train all learning skills to level 5 so i train faster and after the patch i'll train slower. I would recommend giving out so much base attributes that players that now have all level 5 learning skills will train the same speed as they do now. What do you think about this idea CCP ? ____________________________________________________________________________ Angel 0/A
wildsnail Gallente 14th Legion Equilibrium.	Posted - 2010.12.02 07:28:00 - [120] Originally by: Swidgen Edited by: Swidgen on 01/12/2010 20:51:46 Let's get real. The only way removing these skills is a "massive engineering challenge" or a "giant task" is if your coders or QA department are incompetent. I don't even know how eve is coded but I'll bet I could write down the steps to do this on a single sheet of paper. Everything that I don't understand must be simple Wait - are you my RL boss!? Snail

TurboNitros	Posted - 2010.12.02 08:11:00 - [121] Skill que set!
Ste'ven Sch'orik Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.12.02 08:32:00 - [122] Locked, ****ed, and ready to rock! ________________________________________________ Roses are red and violets are blue, you shoot at me and you will die too.
Ste'ven Sch'orik Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.12.02 08:34:00 - [123] oops... didn't know that would be counted as a bad word since it refers to an action done with a rifle or some other type of gun. sorry skill que set. ________________________________________________ Roses are red and violets are blue, you shoot at me and you will die too.
Jokke Jr	Posted - 2010.12.02 08:47:00 - [124] server down ?
PIRJANIN	Posted - 2010.12.02 09:43:00 - [125] Got it on 1 acc, 2 days que
Mitchell Hagen	Posted - 2010.12.02 10:09:00 - [126] Originally by: Spc One Will ccp give same "base attributs" as player having all learning skills to level 5 ? Because if not, players with all level 5 learning skills (as myself) will after the patch learn slower, which is sad. I invested so much time on my alt to train all learning skills to level 5 so i train faster and after the patch i'll train slower. I would recommend giving out so much base attributes that players that now have all level 5 learning skills will train the same speed as they do now. What do you think about this idea CCP ? You may lose a little training speed but on the other hand you're going to end up with about 5 million skill points to invest immediately. Overall the small loss in training speed is amply compensated for. Also, you've reaped the benefit of faster training time that a set of 5/5 Learning skills confers. Overall, you're going to come out ahead for several years to come even with the small reduction in training speed. I'm testing out the skill points on the test server. I happen to have a partially-trained Learning skill (Empathy) and I want to see that I get every one of the skill points that I had. Another one of my characters will end up with 10 million SP to spend there. Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.
Nuts Nougat SniggWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.12.02 11:00:00 - [127] Edited by: Nuts Nougat on 02/12/2010 10:59:56 Originally by: CCP Stillman I'll personally be setting a learning skill to try and break things I will do this on my alt (my main already has all) :P ---
subjects demise	Posted - 2010.12.02 11:16:00 - [128] skill set
Dragon Sworn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.02 11:21:00 - [129] skill SET ! 18 days should do it just to be on the safer side of CCP tinkering. ------ Sniff it, sniff it then EAT IT. KLADDKAKA, pleasing NSN members since 2003 !
Joss56	Posted - 2010.12.02 11:25:00 - [130] Edited by: Joss56 on 02/12/2010 11:25:01 I've tried to dl sisi louncher but had somme problems. My os is running in one different HD than my games, mabe i did something wrong with this, so i need somme help and please i'm not english native so i would like to ask you to explain clearly and simple all the steps. (if some french/portuguese/spanish around here i would be happy) Step1- dl sisi louncher (did it) Can't run anything after this My eve folder is in drive B: so how must i proceed? - make a full copy of my Eve folder and rename it eve_sisi? Sorry but is not very clear for me so if someone can give me some help i will apreciate.

Lukas Rox Torchwood Archive	Posted - 2010.12.02 11:37:00 - [131] Skills set - Adv. Learning (Logic) to level 5 --- Faction Ships Listing \| Lukas Rox
Tlar Sanqua Gallente Gallente Defence Initiative	Posted - 2010.12.02 12:00:00 - [132] I've done this with my main. Series of quick non-important skills -> Eidectic Memory L5 However, it occured to me that the combination that I cannot test that I haven't seen mentioned yet is what happens if I have training a series of learning skills (and at the moment of the update, these are active) and then a combat skill when the mirror happens. So it looks like this: Learning skill Learning skill <- Moment patch hits Learning skill Combat skill Will the server automatically advance me to the Combat skill? Not very likely and I suspect that this is going to be a rare occurance, but i cannot test this on my characters and thought it should be tested.
Fornal666	Posted - 2010.12.02 12:25:00 - [133] Edited by: Fornal666 on 02/12/2010 12:25:51 Skill set - Mining barge lv 5
Zogg Prime Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:09:00 - [134] skill set happy to help I am the fly in the soup

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:11:00 - [135] Originally by: Tlar Sanqua I've done this with my main. Series of quick non-important skills -> Eidectic Memory L5 However, it occured to me that the combination that I cannot test that I haven't seen mentioned yet is what happens if I have training a series of learning skills (and at the moment of the update, these are active) and then a combat skill when the mirror happens. So it looks like this: Learning skill Learning skill <- Moment patch hits Learning skill Combat skill Will the server automatically advance me to the Combat skill? Not very likely and I suspect that this is going to be a rare occurance, but i cannot test this on my characters and thought it should be tested. It will advance you to your combat skill, yes.

Jive Caldari Reclamation Fighters Group PLC	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:34:00 - [136] Didn't have to set a skill running on this account, nor my alt as when I logged in, both accounts had long skills running, namely Warhead Upgrades V and Warfare Link Specialist V - both will finish way after Friday :) Events in EvE occur in real time!
GreitGuru	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:01:00 - [137] Edited by: GreitGuru on 02/12/2010 14:06:33
Volgovod 59	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:06:00 - [138] done
GreitGuru	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:09:00 - [139]
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:20:00 - [140] Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 02/12/2010 14:20:23 Damn 2.6GB update to download Will set a skill on Sisi when it's done _ WTS Capital BPOs

Sed Man Gallente Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:32:00 - [141] Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 02/12/2010 14:20:23 Damn 2.6GB update to download Will set a skill on Sisi when it's done really shouldn't need to do that, copy the directory \program files\ccp\eve to ..\evetest, then visit this site http://www.eveonline.com/patches/patches.asp?s=singularity&test=&system=win and download the patch, apply, but make sure you select evetest directory, once complete, create a new shortcut to evetest\eve and launch... the sisilauncher is better but I dont have a link...
Veebora Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:36:00 - [142] Skill set
pHenomena1337 HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:56:00 - [143] 15d skill launched ---------------------------------------------
AAtlas Fatalis Insultus	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:15:00 - [144] Skill Queue active.. now to just sit back and wait for the candy...or something to break... Ka Ching!
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:48:00 - [145] Done. I also got some learning skill books in a can, in my hold of my ship that's logged out in W-space.
Chalysa WulffsFressa Minmatar Trust Brothers LLC. The Veyr Collective	Posted - 2010.12.02 17:02:00 - [146] skill que topped up , going for Marauder Lvl 5 which is a 38 or so day skill train. gonna be testing some stuff with the 7+ million sp I will have. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.12.02 17:52:00 - [147] Adv. Spaceship command 4 set. Cant wait to get the SP, always wanted to test capitals.
Showmust Goon	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:56:00 - [148] skill set
Konica Minolta	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:59:00 - [149] skill set too.
Zane Ziebold	Posted - 2010.12.02 19:07:00 - [150] Originally by: CCP Stillman Originally by: Martc What happend if i will be curently training learning skill? Do you count with that case? Can i put learning skill in queue to test this situation? You can set any skill as training. I'll personally be setting a learning skill to try and break things Sounds like an idea learning skills in queue.

Mistermatch	Posted - 2010.12.02 19:36:00 - [151] Originally by: Tlar Sanqua I've done this with my main. Series of quick non-important skills -> Eidectic Memory L5 However, it occured to me that the combination that I cannot test that I haven't seen mentioned yet is what happens if I have training a series of learning skills (and at the moment of the update, these are active) and then a combat skill when the mirror happens. So it looks like this: Learning skill Learning skill <- Moment patch hits Learning skill Combat skill Will the server automatically advance me to the Combat skill? Not very likely and I suspect that this is going to be a rare occurance, but i cannot test this on my characters and thought it should be tested. This is what I'll be doing, by the way Logic 4 (Will have like 19 hours left at 01:00 UTC) Advanced Spaceship Command 5
Elrinarie Gallente Scan This	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:17:00 - [152] will make sure to set a queue up tonight :) --------------------- Creator of another Mining Calculator
Elrinarie Gallente Scan This	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:36:00 - [153] Edited by: Elrinarie on 02/12/2010 21:38:18 seems to be a bug on the test server right now windows and the character screen isn't loading (ah server just went down) --------------------- Creator of another Mining Calculator

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:32:00 - [154] Originally by: Elrinarie Edited by: Elrinarie on 02/12/2010 21:38:18 seems to be a bug on the test server right now windows and the character screen isn't loading (ah server just went down) Sorry about that. It seems like Singularity crashed. Our operations guys will revive it.

Mitchell Hagen	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:52:00 - [155] Originally by: Celfea Dur How about lining up a few frigates with skill books in the cargo bays, and blowing them up just before the server goes down so that some of the wrecks would have books inside? haha Good idea. We need to try wrecks with skillbooks (blow up a few shuttles), wrecks with skillbooks and other loot, and the same with cargo containers. Cargo containers with only skillbooks would be particularly interesting - do the cargo containers go pop as expected or do we end up with empty cargo containers in space? Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:05:00 - [156] Edited by: CCP Stillman on 02/12/2010 23:04:41 Sorry about that guys, I accidentally SISI. It's back up now though.

Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:06:00 - [157] When we get the skillpoint reimbursement, could I possibly get mining 1 removed from my character on TQ? That one skill in that one tree that I'll never possibly use is really crapping up my character sheet. You can keep the 250 skillpoints.
BIGthump	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:38:00 - [158] Set my skill training \o/ now i wait
LonDonk Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:15:00 - [159] lol i did it but by accident i log on to the test server for the first time and saw that i get a free noctics but the sever was shutting down in five mins i went to get into i realized i needed to train a skill so i put the skill in and logged off (at around 1:00 or somewhere close to that and the skill took 33 mins)
eonic	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:41:00 - [160] Edited by: eonic on 03/12/2010 01:45:35 Edited by: eonic on 03/12/2010 01:43:52 Nice! titan time!

KAi Dura	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:05:00 - [161] LAst night i was able to log on to the singularity server and muck about for quite a while. To-night I can't log on to the singularity server but I am able to log onto the tranquillity server. I tried to rerun the SISI launcher but that has not helped what to do? also do things aquired on the singularity show up on the tranquility server>
T Pain	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:39:00 - [162] Originally by: KAi Dura LAst night i was able to log on to the singularity server and muck about for quite a while. To-night I can't log on to the singularity server but I am able to log onto the tranquillity server. I tried to rerun the SISI launcher but that has not helped what to do? also do things aquired on the singularity show up on the tranquility server> sisi is down atm and no they do not
Kithia De'Rau	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:52:00 - [163] Aw don't tell me its over already! Work all day here in the US and by the time I get off its over! Considering the size of the US player base the phrase "Friday morning" should have more meaning to us.
T Pain	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:01:00 - [164] lol bro they havent even turned server back on....if u had skill training past 0130 ur fine
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:25:00 - [165] Originally by: Sed Man Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 02/12/2010 14:20:23 Damn 2.6GB update to download Will set a skill on Sisi when it's done really shouldn't need to do that, copy the directory \program files\ccp\eve to ..\evetest, then visit this site http://www.eveonline.com/patches/patches.asp?s=singularity&test=&system=win and download the patch, apply, but make sure you select evetest directory, once complete, create a new shortcut to evetest\eve and launch... the sisilauncher is better but I dont have a link... Oh it was a working Sisi install from a few weeks back, and launcher was the one asking to download that 2.6GB patch. But it got done in the evening, and looking forward to try out some new ships during week end _ WTS Capital BPOs
CaosSpinner	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:54:00 - [166] Arggg, I thought I had more time, had set a pilot skill I needed for testing and was going to jump on and switch it tonight. Is SISI coming back up before the patch or down till Sat?
Maldonia	Posted - 2010.12.03 05:14:00 - [167] This is probably a completely silly question, but was unable to log in to the test server due to installation issues throughout the day. No chance I get the sp anyway, right?
Ziester Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.12.03 06:28:00 - [168] Originally by: Maldonia This is probably a completely silly question, but was unable to log in to the test server due to installation issues throughout the day. No chance I get the sp anyway, right? Depends if you had a training queue up and running by the time the server went down :) ----------
Kraftus Amaral Caldari Valar Morghulis. Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.12.03 06:38:00 - [169] Dang I missed this...in game post about it didnt show up until like today (or I was blind all day yesterday lol) Oh well I will still hop on, but guess I am not getting the bonus because I didnt have a skill set..
KAi Dura	Posted - 2010.12.03 06:59:00 - [170] Originally by: T Pain Originally by: KAi Dura LAst night i was able to log on to the singularity server and muck about for quite a while. To-night I can't log on to the singularity server but I am able to log onto the tranquillity server. I tried to rerun the SISI launcher but that has not helped what to do? also do things aquired on the singularity show up on the tranquility server> sisi is down atm and no they do not Ok thanks Kai

Fellout	Posted - 2010.12.03 07:31:00 - [171] 3 Days ago when this post was made i added Heavy Assault Missiles to qeue that took 3 days 5h to train, iam just curious if the skill finishes training before you guys check for that do i still get 5mil skillpoints or not ? I had 14days large turret skill in qeue but changed for missiles cuss i thot we need to fillup a qeue that will last until friday.

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