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Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Swift Redemption	Posted - 2010.12.02 08:28:00 - [1] So I'm feeling a little eve burnout, maybe it's just a bad day, maybe I'm ready to go jump in front of a bus. I figure I can pay off my debt in a few months if i just highsec farm farm farm, but I also have a 50m sp character that I could potentially save some time paying off my debt by selling (once I reach such time as I could guarantee a sale of sufficient amount to cover the remaining debt). What does MD think of the concept of ending your debts by selling your main and paying them from a faceless alt?
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.12.02 09:01:00 - [2] no problem - just make sure to make a prominent post in MD about the ownership change (if Dethmourne is the character in question). However, this might be a move you might really come to regret after a few weeks time, so consider carefully.
Tekota legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.02 11:10:00 - [3] Don't see any particular MD e-honour probs so long as, already mentioned, a post is made to prevent new owner trading off your name. I suppose practically you'll find that future affairs may be a little trickier as only a subset of folks will remember that "Alt X" is really Deth - though arguably the folks that matter will be the ones that remember. Personally I tend to get something of an attachment to space pixels, particularly those that form my space face so I would likely regret selling my main (ie. Tek) to solve short term problems. How many accounts are you running? Rather than sell off a main, could you consolidate a char or two from one account into another and reduce your plex dependency per month - saving of c.380m per month could lessen the farming period required?
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:19:00 - [4] Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Hivsen Ng	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:25:00 - [5] Doesn't matter what you do... In the end, ISK is ISK. There is no unethical means of gains in EVE. No such thing as blood money.
Tekota legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Hivsen Ng There is no unethical means of gains in EVE. Interesting. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1422854&page=1#17
Carnagge	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:26:00 - [7] I think its wrong. you took the loans out on said x character. Now you want to sell said character and be like but this is me now? I dunno. I think all in all it just proves you had very poor decision making. You are solving your problem, its like using your last lifeline to stay afloat.
Anachronic	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:44:00 - [8] I would say it's a last resort, given that the debt for someone is really tied to their name and account I would say it is looked down on in the long run by your debtors. Just hang in there and only do this is it's a last resort ---------------------------- Outta my way...
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:46:00 - [9] After all those years playing MMO, one of the things I learned is to never rush a quit, a character delete or selling. You never know, one day you WILL regret it. Speaking of EvE, if you sell an important character everyone will easily see the sale as you declaring defeat at being capable of being profitable. This will cause you to be basically banned from future investments, since you won't have a character to sell any more and you did not prove being profitable in the past. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
lolyou	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:46:00 - [10] Lol ****ing finally.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Swift Redemption	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:48:00 - [11] Edited by: Dethmourne Silvermane on 02/12/2010 15:49:15 OP was mostly hypothetical - I don't see myself actually quitting eve anytime soon (although last night I could've seen it, yay for manic-depressive). I, too, attach great value to space pixels, and would find it difficult to let go of this particular set of pixels. EDIT: And I'd like to point out that it would only occur in the event I was quitting eve, so the "future investments" argument is basically invalid.
Taram Caldar Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.12.02 17:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha After all those years playing MMO, one of the things I learned is to never rush a quit, a character delete or selling. You never know, one day you WILL regret it. Speaking of EvE, if you sell an important character everyone will easily see the sale as you declaring defeat at being capable of being profitable. This will cause you to be basically banned from future investments, since you won't have a character to sell any more and you did not prove being profitable in the past. This Market Alerts Mailing List
Joe Starbreaker M. Corp	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane What does MD think of the concept of ending your debts by selling your main and paying them from a faceless alt? If I were your creditor, I'd rather the debt were paid back, and at this point it would be far less important how you did it. Maybe I'd even buy you a Quafe to help ease the moral anguish you're going through. After receiving my money. ...
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane I figure I can pay off my debt in a few months if i just highsec farm farm farm How big are your debts?
lolyou	Posted - 2010.12.02 19:18:00 - [15] Edited by: lolyou on 02/12/2010 19:18:01 He has some crackpot loan bussiness with like 1 customer for 1.5b at 5% and 12b in debt. He should just sell the character and not pay the loans back tbh
lolyou	Posted - 2010.12.02 19:23:00 - [16] I also have a vested interest in him getting rid of that character because I hate the portrait. Please pick something dif next time. I can't hang out in anyu of the trade channels because of you
Ave Volta Red Frog Freight Red-Frog	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:27:00 - [17] I'd say if you've had the character from the beginning, and it's your main who everybody knows, then the character is worth more than you'd get by selling it. imo you'd be taking a loss. And don't worry, you only have to live with that portrait till the new portrait system comes out. Is he wearing a Tie? Is that a salad bowl on his head? -------------------------------- chown -R us:us /yourbase
Berikath	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Carnagge I think its wrong. you took the loans out on said x character. Now you want to sell said character and be like but this is me now? I dunno. I think all in all it just proves you had very poor decision making. You are solving your problem, its like using your last lifeline to stay afloat. I disagree. Taking out debt, then selling character WITHOUT paying back? Yes, bad form; I'd say it's basically the same as doing a character xfer w/ a negative wallet. However, as long as all outstanding business is cleared basically at the time of sale (i.e., make sale, receive ISK, pay creditors, log off), I'd say it's kosher. That said, I would agree that doing so is probably not the best idea. Even if when you do it you fully intend to quit EVE permanently, there's nothing saying you won't change your mind sometime in the future and regret it. *** Wish list for PI: One-click input routing Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle!
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:15:00 - [19] Quote: EDIT: And I'd like to point out that it would only occur in the event I was quitting eve, so the "future investments" argument is basically invalid. Well if by that you mean you have no plans for any other future investment offerings, then it wouldn't matter. But this is exactly the kind of things investors look for when investing with someone. You seem to make alot of bad decisions (including this thread).
AnakieNine	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Man, I've got so many pre-sold at 600.. Not trolling, just wondering why the Noctis BPO sales haven't helped you close the debt gap and put you on a high and not a low?
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:58:00 - [21] Originally by: lolyou Edited by: lolyou on 02/12/2010 19:18:01 He has some crackpot loan bussiness with like 1 customer for 1.5b at 5% and 12b in debt. He should just sell the character and not pay the loans back tbh Hmm. Well I could always borrow money.
Machete Visor	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:02:00 - [22] frankly speaking, i am wondering why you would need to do that. I can cover all my debts with ISK on hand + inventory so it is just a matter of time for the inventory to sell. I would think your trading would let you do the same unless some of the money has gone to (a) other character purchases, (b) recreational items that have been destroyed or (c) lost in other investment schemes. Hard to believe if you took at 5B loan and did station trading you would ever have less than 5B readily at hand.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.02 22:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Machete Visor frankly speaking, i am wondering why you would need to do that. I can cover all my debts with ISK on hand + inventory so it is just a matter of time for the inventory to sell. I would think your trading would let you do the same unless some of the money has gone to (a) other character purchases, (b) recreational items that have been destroyed or (c) lost in other investment schemes. Hard to believe if you took at 5B loan and did station trading you would ever have less than 5B readily at hand. He started a loan business, and really hasn't made many loans. He has been paying interest on the money he borrowed.
oldmanst4r Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:37:00 - [24] Edited by: oldmanst4r on 03/12/2010 00:38:48 I think it's absolutely acceptable, but I think you would regret it. Personally if your feeling burned out I would just casually station trade at a rate that allows you to make enough money to pay off your loans in a few months. Or start a faceless alt and scam in Jita, I find taking money from wealthy idiots to be both the**utic and profitable. Edit: lol @ filtering t h e r a p e u t i c ? Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Luxotor Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Tekota Originally by: Hivsen Ng There is no unethical means of gains in EVE. Interesting. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1422854&page=1#17 Ouch. --- Make lowsec useful!
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:15:00 - [26] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 03/12/2010 03:19:01 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Speaking of EvE, if you sell an important character everyone will easily see the sale as you declaring defeat at being capable of being profitable. This will cause you to be basically banned from future investments, since you won't have a character to sell any more and you did not prove being profitable in the past. Yes? No? No, not in my opinion. A character is (again, in my own humble opinion) just an asset and "banning" people from activity in MD because they essentially relinquished that asset to pay back their investors and therefore remain in good odor with the community is - at least to me - an amazingly petty stance and not a little bit stupid at first glance. I mean, taking a personal hit to pay back investors? Why, the nerve of the man for trying to do the right thing by those who put their faith in him! Put another way, while it is certainly an unusual manner of achieving the necessary liquidity to resolve debt - I do not think it deserves such a harsh response. If MD intends to go about excluding those who fail but behave ethically when they do, MD will only get what it deserves.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:25:00 - [27] THIS THREAD IS NOW AN AUCTION 1b for Deth No kill rights right? Originally by: Brock Nelson OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Swift Redemption	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Brock Nelson THIS THREAD IS NOW AN AUCTION 1b for Deth No kill rights right?
bryanbc Gallente Abyssal Heavy Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:36:00 - [29] 1.1BILL!!!
RAW23	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:39:00 - [30] Originally by: bryanbc 1.1BILL!!! You're doing it wrong. the correct response is: 1000000000.01 And Deth, of course there is no problem selling your character (apart from the difficulties in picking up things later if that character was your MD face).

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