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Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.08 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Infinimo on 08/12/2010 18:57:38 'I cant be bothered to do this, but even though you are willing and qualified to, **** you, obviously I am the only one talented and knowledgeable enough to be able to do this.'
If you are that stubborn just put some google ads on it, christ...
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Ix Forres
Caldari Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Infinimo Edited by: Infinimo on 08/12/2010 18:57:38 'I cant be bothered to do this, but even though you are willing and qualified to, **** you, obviously I am the only one talented and knowledgeable enough to be able to do this.'
If you are that stubborn just put some google ads on it, christ...
Anyone qualified to take the EM source and turn it into a new usable site is more than qualified to do the same thing from scratch, and in the process do their own take on the concept, and avoid some of the flaws we ran into with EM.
Google Ads can't be placed on the site because of CCP's rules on monetizing the EVE Online IP. There's no way to generate any income from this or any other EVE application without CCP's consent. However, as I've said before, cost was not the main issue. Time was, and I don't have the time that would be needed to sort out any form of transition, open sourcing, or anything along those lines. -- Ix Forres - 3rd Party Application Developer - EVE Metrics - accVIEW
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TheBear421
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Posted - 2010.12.08 22:34:00 -
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I've only been using EVE Metrics for a few months now, but it's helped me immensely with figuring out market prices while in w-space, among other things. I'm sorry to see it go, but thank you for bringing this tool to us in the first place!
I hope that someone (maybe CCP? :D) will find a way to fill the gap and make their own version of this database.
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Femaref
Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.12.09 00:22:00 -
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Gotta be effin kidding me.
I'm as well interested in the database dump.
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Karbowiak
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.09 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
Google Ads can't be placed on the site because of CCP's rules on monetizing the EVE Online IP. There's no way to generate any income from this or any other EVE application without CCP's consent.
Wat?.. well, i guess EVE-Kill will be closing down aswell then, ****.. :\
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Wollari
Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.09 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres Google Ads can't be placed on the site because of CCP's rules on monetizing the EVE Online IP. There's no way to generate any income from this or any other EVE application without CCP's consent.
I think you're wrong with this. Othwise I would ask myself why they've a Guideline on Evelopedia for Fansite how to setup Google Ads.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Online_Fansite_AdSense_Guide
But in general i've something personal against ads ... I don't like em, block them with AdBlock, so any other source of income would be better of course .... but that's something different. Ever coin dropped into supporting Eve 3rd Party Developer is more worth then any random banner campaign.
... Well ...
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Jeannaqua
Spank A Gank
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Posted - 2010.12.09 09:21:00 -
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It's a shame to see EM go. It will be missed.
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HyperBeanie
Phantom Squad Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.09 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wollari
Originally by: Ix Forres Google Ads can't be placed on the site because of CCP's rules on monetizing the EVE Online IP. There's no way to generate any income from this or any other EVE application without CCP's consent.
I think you're wrong with this. Othwise I would ask myself why they've a Guideline on Evelopedia for Fansite how to setup Google Ads.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Online_Fansite_AdSense_Guide
But in general i've something personal against ads ... I don't like em, block them with AdBlock, so any other source of income would be better of course .... but that's something different. Ever coin dropped into supporting Eve 3rd Party Developer is more worth then any random banner campaign.
... Well ...
Interesting Wollari ;)
Anyway, good luck with your new projects IX, sad to see you leave!
/Beanie EVSCO - Free and Paid killboards - Get yours today! |
Ix Forres
Caldari Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ix Forres on 09/12/2010 10:24:13
Originally by: Wollari
Originally by: Ix Forres Google Ads can't be placed on the site because of CCP's rules on monetizing the EVE Online IP. There's no way to generate any income from this or any other EVE application without CCP's consent.
I think you're wrong with this. Othwise I would ask myself why they've a Guideline on Evelopedia for Fansite how to setup Google Ads.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Online_Fansite_AdSense_Guide
But in general i've something personal against ads ... I don't like em, block them with AdBlock, so any other source of income would be better of course .... but that's something different. Ever coin dropped into supporting Eve 3rd Party Developer is more worth then any random banner campaign.
... Well ...
Interesting - I am indeed wrong on saying that ads are not allowed and I stand corrected - my bad! There is however no way for us to offer a premium service or otherwise directly monetize it, which is what it would take to make the site financially self-sustaining. Advertising revenue would not be sufficient to justify the presence of adverts without them being very obtrusive high-CTR ads like intersitials (speaking from experience with other non-EVE sites I've run). And I've never wanted to put ads on EM, like you say, they detract from a website.
We did always try to offset costs through donation but the total donations raised over the years have been fairly trivial and mostly got sunk into upgrading the box hosting the site so it would keep running fast enough as opposed to going towards hosting costs. But this is all academic, since cost isn't really the issue here.
Thanks for all the messages of support and thanks. It's been a pleasure to run these sites for the past few years, and the community's been great to work with. I wish all the EVE online third party devs out there luck with their projects. -- Ix Forres - 3rd Party Application Developer - EVE Metrics - accVIEW
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padraig animal
Minmatar Matrix Solutions StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:46:00 -
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Aww thnx Ix for all the good work ,to bad you are gone from EVE.
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HighlanderUK
Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:56:00 -
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well sorry to see such a well used, great service/app go, perhaps EVE Central can pick-up the baton if there alpha client every gets finalised.
i wish you well in your endeavours, and hope that you may return to EVE sometime (we all do in the end, you can never truly leave!!!). Personal thanks to Jason for all the email replies and download link regarding the latest EM client.
************************************************** Maker of the finest Scottish drones and ammo...all combined with Active Peat Camouflage (tm) -- so dark, you won't see them coming!! |
Psihius
Caldari Anarchist Dawn U N K N O W N
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:09:00 -
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Any chance we can figure out to securely move the project from one owner to other like implementing a user based migration? For example, we make a copy of a project on subdomain or other domain and implement on eve-metrics a button witch user can click and transfer his data to the new project and he should supply new password, new API keys. That means than you, as the owner, do not handle over any data your users don't want to move.
I know there are ways to do the transition and that transition to be the user's choice to trust the data to new owner. Just killing the site is crude to the users :(
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:42:00 -
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When will people ever stop begging to get the source code of a dying project ?
Also Ix already released the most important part of it (the uploader). If you can't recreate the rest yourself don't even bother to try to become the new Eve-Metrics. _ WTS Capital BPOs |
Femaref
Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.12.10 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev When will people ever stop begging to get the source code of a dying project ?
Also Ix already released the most important part of it (the uploader). If you can't recreate the rest yourself don't even bother to try to become the new Eve-Metrics.
lol, as if the uploader is something special. The special thing about it is reverence, and that is written by entity.
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Artem Myagkoff
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Posted - 2010.12.10 23:41:00 -
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Damn this is a sad day. I realy loved EM and its versatility.
Only thing I wish Ix could do is to spare a bit more time to remove api keys and release code it for a smooth and swift transition to people interested in it.
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.11 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 11/12/2010 04:04:25
Originally by: Femaref
Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev When will people ever stop begging to get the source code of a dying project ?
Also Ix already released the most important part of it (the uploader). If you can't recreate the rest yourself don't even bother to try to become the new Eve-Metrics.
lol, as if the uploader is something special. The special thing about it is reverence, and that is written by entity.
Yeah, because obviously the website's code is so special and totally impossible to recreate because Ix also created the programming language used for it (and is totally not written in Ruby/PHP/ASP/whatever....) and also invented Linux servers + postgreSQL databases _ WTS Capital BPOs |
Femaref
Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.12.11 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 11/12/2010 04:04:25
Originally by: Femaref
Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev When will people ever stop begging to get the source code of a dying project ?
Also Ix already released the most important part of it (the uploader). If you can't recreate the rest yourself don't even bother to try to become the new Eve-Metrics.
lol, as if the uploader is something special. The special thing about it is reverence, and that is written by entity.
Yeah, because obviously the website's code is so special and totally impossible to recreate because Ix also created the programming language used for it (and is totally not written in Ruby/PHP/ASP/whatever....) and also invented Linux servers + postgreSQL databases
The code itself isn't special, what the code does (ie. optimizations, caching etc) is special. If one would start a new version of it, you'd have to go through all iterations like Ix did, and that will cost time.
If it's so easy to make, I'm awaiting a new eve-metrics from you in the future.
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Seraphina Amaranth
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Posted - 2010.12.11 14:02:00 -
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http://yannramin.com/2010/12/09/eve-central-after-eve-metrics/
Since it's all open-sourced (and is actually running), it's better to help out than to start from scratch.
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.11 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Femaref If it's so easy to make, I'm awaiting a new eve-metrics from you in the future.
You can stop waiting, I already have my own version up and running. Difference is that I don't care enough about helping people making nice spreadsheets to dedicate a server to such a project and make it public.
Oh and since the application is nothing, I hope you can spend 30 min of your time to debug Eve-central's uploader and help them implement missing features kthxbai. _ WTS Capital BPOs |
Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2010.12.11 17:15:00 -
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Huge blow to me as a trader, I am really sorry to hear this man, but I completely understand. If you are losing money then it isn't worth it.
CCP should seriously consider buying your site from you and maintaining it.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Freedom-Technologies Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.12.11 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
Originally by: Infinimo Edited by: Infinimo on 08/12/2010 18:57:38 'I cant be bothered to do this, but even though you are willing and qualified to, **** you, obviously I am the only one talented and knowledgeable enough to be able to do this.'
If you are that stubborn just put some google ads on it, christ...
Anyone qualified to take the EM source and turn it into a new usable site is more than qualified to do the same thing from scratch, and in the process do their own take on the concept, and avoid some of the flaws we ran into with EM.
This.
I am certainly qualified but ran into the same problem Ix has: Time. I'm busy enough with other projects that I don't have time to spend 40 hours a week for several months to create a website with polish. To say nothing of the fact that I'm horrible with front-end web design, which is the real challenge anyways.
So to folks who want another Eve-Metrics Send Ix a cheque for ú35,000 every year so he can quit his job and provide it to you.
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Mournful Conciousness
Gallente Special Situations
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Posted - 2010.12.12 13:07:00 -
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First, I join in the chorus of thanks and praise in honour of Ix.
Second, I am a 20-year time-served application architect having designed and build real-time trading systems for banks. I also have interests in online retail and understand site monetisation.
I have the will and vision to take the eve metrics base and build a really special eve-companion site that will really add to the game, plus perhaps even pay for itself (but probably not make anyone rich)
If any of you out there feel the same way as me, I'd be glad to hear from you so we can look at a collaboration.
Please feel free to email me on [email protected] or eve-mail "mournful conciousness" in game (yes, it is spelled incorrectly).
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Nathalia Itiero
Gallente Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.12.12 13:08:00 -
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Not to mention Ix wasn't alone. It takes time, money and dedication. Sad to see EM go, it was fun to help out with what little code i commited over the years :-) __________________________________________________ A part of the MMMetrics team.
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Bloody Bolt
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Posted - 2010.12.14 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Bloody Bolt on 14/12/2010 01:16:14
Originally by: Raquel Smith I am certainly qualified but ran into the same problem Ix has: Time. I'm busy enough with other projects that I don't have time to spend 40 hours a week for several months to create a website with polish.
Time wasting repeatedly is the main reason to ask for code of closing project no matter how chaotic it is. And authors quite often give it to make their time spent more reasonable and avoid trashing own efforts so easy (by themselves). If new maintainers are qualified enough such step could mean bright long future for project who was successfully started by the author. All authors are different and thats up to them to decide how quickly they want to be forgotten. So if you are really going to trash it, you can do it after giving it out. :)
Sad reality is that projects not started as Open Source are too vulnerable to stay alive. So adi=s for project I liked and used, nothing unexpected, but still sad that it happens once again. Looks like we need to face back to eve-central and contribute to get features we liked in EM. And the first most desirable update could be building proper uploader. Uh, maybe they already got it?
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Professor Elm
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Posted - 2010.12.14 04:20:00 -
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Is there any way that I could persuade you to help me make a page that functions like your "suggested uploads" page did? Specifically, something to let me look up items at random until I close browser and something to let me scan the whole market. It would help me continue to get important market data quickly even without the eve-metrics site.
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Serene Python
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Posted - 2010.12.14 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Elm Is there any way that I could persuade you to help me make a page that functions like your "suggested uploads" page did? Specifically, something to let me look up items at random until I close browser and something to let me scan the whole market. It would help me continue to get important market data quickly even without the eve-metrics site.
One way would be add a last updated column in the database and make the suggested uploads be the oldest entries so they'd get updated.
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Henry Foss
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Posted - 2010.12.15 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Marc Younbrog Edited by: Marc Younbrog on 07/12/2010 21:42:46 Ix, would you be interested in passing on the domain registration for a group to code a new EVE Metrics? Also implying if you're ok with the community re-using the EVE Metrics name.
+1 to this. Letting the domain lapse will just see it get scooped up by a link farm or some other nefarious setup. I can understand not wanting to release the source, but it would be great to be able to keep some of the community momentum going on an EVE Metrics 2.0. Transferring the domain (not hosting) should only take a few minutes. Then a date could be set for when DNS will update to a new host.
At the same time I can see the desire for a clean break. None the less any community effort would greatly benefit from not starting completely from scratch
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Vigilanta
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:47:00 -
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So if we wanted to get a copy of the database as i is now, how would we go about that?
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mugen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.16 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Foss
Originally by: Marc Younbrog Edited by: Marc Younbrog on 07/12/2010 21:42:46 Ix, would you be interested in passing on the domain registration for a group to code a new EVE Metrics? Also implying if you're ok with the community re-using the EVE Metrics name.
+1 to this. Letting the domain lapse will just see it get scooped up by a link farm or some other nefarious setup. I can understand not wanting to release the source, but it would be great to be able to keep some of the community momentum going on an EVE Metrics 2.0. Transferring the domain (not hosting) should only take a few minutes. Then a date could be set for when DNS will update to a new host.
At the same time I can see the desire for a clean break. None the less any community effort would greatly benefit from not starting completely from scratch
And thanks a ton for providing the service in the first place :-)
Really sorry to see the service go... But I completely understand the lack of desire to keep something afloat without capital or general interest in the game anymore.
I'm with the guys above.
If we put together a commitee to take over the project, including source, db, domain name, etc... would you consider passing it along to someone to continue to nurture it?
I absolutely love what's been put together, and would rather see if there's something we could arrange. I have available servers and a datacenter setup more than capable of handling the traffic.
If you're interested, or anyone else is interested in putting together a group to "save the service" let me know, and hit me up on Skype@JSpecMugen.
If not, thanks for all the hard work you put into the project. It was brilliant while it lasted! :D
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Rrama Ratamnim
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:23:00 -
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I would also like to request the code for the market scrolling as well, that would be very helpful for pushing info to eve-central as well... and i can't find the code to do it easily... if you can supply that that alone would be very nice...
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