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Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:04:00 - [91] Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim I would also like to request the code for the market scrolling as well, that would be very helpful for pushing info to eve-central as well... and i can't find the code to do it easily... if you can supply that that alone would be very nice... View source on page & the function shows liScroll being used
Count Atreides Helljumpers En Garde	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:47:00 - [92] Ix, You have seen that are a number of people who are prepared to take up the challenge of running Em. I also see that you have spent time and money to get EM up and running. Why not allow the people who are prepared to run this service and maintain it (I can provide the hosting) and take a piece of the pie if we are able to monetise it. I am not going to put my CV up here, but suffice to say that I have enough business experience to to be confident enough to at least give it a go. Ix, you won't have to do anything, (other than hand over the code & the entire site and answer some questions while the new owners get up to speed) your work is done... so for the next year or maybe two, just enjoy the fruits of your labour (IF we are able to successfully monetise it). What do you reckon? I am too poor to have a sig! :(
Joseph SaintJohn	Posted - 2010.12.17 06:24:00 - [93] "All good things must come to an end". I hope that at the last hour CCP, or some private venture capitalist, buys you out and you make a lot of money from all your effort. I don't have any programming expertise, but your tool was easy to use. and a great help. All the best in the future. Joe "A path once chosen creates its own path"
Nathalia Itiero Gallente Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.12.17 20:35:00 - [94] It's worth mentioning how ironic it is that for years we have asked for donations to keep the server running happily and to cover cost of new hardware, yet very little has come in (Pledgie total is like 360 gbp). But now that the service is closing you are all offering server hosting and favours. In my opinion that shows exactly how the community is and why people quit coding things like these and even quit the game entirely. __________________________________________________ A part of the MMMetrics team. EVE-Metrics
a newbie Trust Doesn't Rust	Posted - 2010.12.17 23:35:00 - [95] Originally by: Nathalia Itiero It's worth mentioning how ironic it is that for years we have asked for donations to keep the server running happily and to cover cost of new hardware, yet very little has come in (Pledgie total is like 360 gbp). But now that the service is closing you are all offering server hosting and favours. In my opinion that shows exactly how the community is and why people quit coding things like these and even quit the game entirely. While I agree on the donations aspect, I heartily disagree on the offerings of servers. Not everyone has expendable income, in fact, some only have a server to offer as they have their own servers like myself for instance. If I am trying to raise money for my own expenses of running a host, I will be hard pressed to find the extra income with which to donate to a service, although wonderful it is, as yours. All some people can offer, people like me and a few others, is just that. So please instead of taking the offers some of us put forward and throwing it in our face like we don't care, take some of them to consideration as a sign of respect. I have send Ix an email requesting information, and if he had any questions to contact me further. I have roughly 12 coders who are wanting to jump on this project as we had already begun one similar. We do not seek to get everything for nothing, instead only request that which is offered but I have not yet received a reply. While I intend our group to take on the project and as stated by Ix, develop it with our own approach, some of the information that would be provided would assist the community in establishing a working replacement for the many many tools that use EVE-Metrics as a base. I for one will sorely miss the fact that Aura, one of the only few good EVE apps for android or any phone OS, runs off of EVE-Metrics data and will in most likely case cease to function. Also please note I do not seek to be the one and only source for this project but would rather openly welcome other coders to the group effort as EVE-Metrics form and function have grown beyond a single groups project but a valuable community resource too important to just disappear. Please contact me asap. If required we can arrange for a direct means of contact to discuss this further. Thank you EVE-Metrics team for your past efforts and I hope whatever future endevours you pursue are fruitful.
Kallahar	Posted - 2010.12.18 00:46:00 - [96] I think he makes a good point, anyone with the skills to run a replacement site also has the skills to implement it themselves. Which is what I did: http://eve-marketdata.com It's by no means perfect, and I really need people to install the uploader (ocreate your own) to start putting data in. The rest of the site isn't worth anything if people don't provide data :) More info on this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1433498 Kallahar
Etheoma	Posted - 2010.12.18 03:04:00 - [97] Edited by: Etheoma on 18/12/2010 03:05:39 if people agreed to pay would you contune and even maybe improve the service? because i would be willing to pay a certain amount for this the use of eve metrics
Karbowiak Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.18 03:59:00 - [98] Originally by: Nathalia Itiero It's worth mentioning how ironic it is that for years we have asked for donations to keep the server running happily and to cover cost of new hardware, yet very little has come in (Pledgie total is like 360 gbp). But now that the service is closing you are all offering server hosting and favours. In my opinion that shows exactly how the community is and why people quit coding things like these and even quit the game entirely. lolwat?.. i offered hosting way before that, lol.. actually more than once. Each time, it was turned down for various reasons. Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO
Nicky's Tomb	Posted - 2010.12.19 11:38:00 - [99] Edited by: Nicky''s Tomb on 19/12/2010 11:38:40 Shame to see this go. Respect for what you have achieved and understanding of what you must do, but. May I just rant about the general "Freeware" community as being selfish and ego bound. For someone to create an application that is of use to them, then release it to a community for free so it may be of use to others, but to retain 100% full distribution, copyrights, modification and development documentation like they have any real worth as proprietary assets (IP) is just annoying and ... selfish. R3tarding to the development of good software. I hope that Open Source eventually kills freeware off, because it's only when you release the code distribution, modification and development to the larger community that those very things have any chance of becoming viable assets. And as those things have no value in freeware, freeware projects die with their high and glorious one man islands of developer's interest. You don't want it. We do. Do the right thing, GPL the code, documentation and DB Schemas. :)
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.12.19 17:00:00 - [100] Why not offer it to CCP and see if you can't work out a deal? It really is a good site. Maybe you could work out some kind of license or even sell it to CCP for them to integrate into eveonline.com somewhere?
Dragonaire Caldari Corax. SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.12.19 18:54:00 - [101] CCP would have no interest in anything that makes it easier for traders do stuff without being actually in game. They have been very clear on that multiple times which means there are probably multiple people within CCP that are happy to see this site die so everyone that keeps suggesting they take over are going to be very disappointed. For those of you that haven't been in Eve long enough to know, they have been know to totally reconfigure the gates throughout Eve to try to kill past market hubs before they had even got as big as Jita is now. I believe they have finally decided not to do that anymore but to expect them to do anything that would allow players to in anyway automate or make it easier to decided on where, when, or how to do their market transactions outside of Eve itself just isn't going to happen. -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
Papa Yoru Gallente Electric Monk inc United Rock Enterprises Ltd	Posted - 2010.12.20 18:40:00 - [102] Originally by: Dragonaire CCP would have no interest in anything that makes it easier for traders do stuff without being actually in game. They have been very clear on that multiple times which means there are probably multiple people within CCP that are happy to see this site die so everyone that keeps suggesting they take over are going to be very disappointed. For those of you that haven't been in Eve long enough to know, they have been know to totally reconfigure the gates throughout Eve to try to kill past market hubs before they had even got as big as Jita is now. I believe they have finally decided not to do that anymore but to expect them to do anything that would allow players to in anyway automate or make it easier to decided on where, when, or how to do their market transactions outside of Eve itself just isn't going to happen. Uh you know they want to add trading to EVEgate right? :P +++ Reality Error 404 - Reboot Cosmos +++
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.20 18:55:00 - [103] They want to add "trading" as in "check your orders/transaction like on any 3rd party tool" or add "trading" as in "get real time info on any region's market" ? _ WTS Capital BPOs
Ix Forres Caldari Righteous Chaps	Posted - 2010.12.20 19:41:00 - [104] Originally by: Lillith Starfire Why not offer it to CCP and see if you can't work out a deal? It really is a good site. Maybe you could work out some kind of license or even sell it to CCP for them to integrate into eveonline.com somewhere? If CCP wanted to save EM, they've had the opportunity to do so on many occasions and haven't done. CCP are big on their regional separation of markets as alluded to in a post above; EM goes against that, and damages their model a bit, or at least that's what we got out of them years back when talking about EM. No matter if that's true or not, the fact is that they know we're closing and that we're in the position to go on running it with sufficient support, but they've chosen not to give us that support and as a result of that, plus my not actually playing EVE any more, plus the amount of time I have spare dwindling as I take on more work outside of my studies, means that we have to close. If we just left EM as-is, before long we'd have had data piling up and affecting site performance, the server it's hosted on needs serious improvements to go on functioning as it stands, we'd have to be investing massively in capacity to ensure the site stayed up, not to mention a massive amount of time associated with continually supporting it and handling any hardware changes. For those who want the code: Go write it. I'm not doing this because I want to hamper people; as a student in full-time education collaborating with another couple of students in full-time education, it took us a couple of months to get EM version 3 done (and we wrote that pretty much from scratch, ignoring a lot of EM2's existing code). All through this we were learning as we went; sure, if we GPL'd the code you could spend roughly the same amount of time picking our code apart, fixing the bugs, packaging it all up again and deploying it, working out how to recreate a quite esoteric environment on the server for things like messaging... and you'd end up with a worse product than writing a new website would get you in the same amount of time. It won't be the same but that's a good thing. If people need a market site, well, necessity is the mother of invention. I wrote EM because I found the topic of EVE's market interesting and the technical challenges were fun, and I wanted to give back to the community. If you've got similar motivation, you'll do better without the code anyway. If people want to hit me up for questions about how we did things or anything like that, or want specific chunks of code as a reference, I'm happy to do as much as possible in that regard. It's worth noting that many components of the EVE Metrics codebase are already open source, and already published on Github- notably our uploader and rabbitcage, the firewall Makurid wrote for RabbitMQ, our message broker used by the upload process and API processing stuff. I may selectively publish some other snippets that might be handy to other developers if I have a chance to but I don't really have the time to do much these days. -- Ix Forres - 3rd Party Application Developer - EVE Metrics - accVIEW
Thibault Etienne	Posted - 2010.12.20 21:42:00 - [105] Originally by: Kallahar I think he makes a good point, anyone with the skills to run a replacement site also has the skills to implement it themselves. Which is what I did: http://eve-marketdata.com It's by no means perfect, and I really need people to install the uploader (ocreate your own) to start putting data in. The rest of the site isn't worth anything if people don't provide data :) More info on this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1433498 Kallahar Seems for Various reasons Eve Metrics will be going bye bye. Perhaps we should move on as suggested and give Kallahar's a try.
Zifrian Solar Nexus. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.12.21 02:11:00 - [106] Always liked the website. I was just going to add the API to a program I'm working on too. I respect you for not giving up your code. I would do the same probably. If there are so many people that want to run the site, you really need to invest time and effort into doing so or you will just end up doing it half-assed. I don't have the time or the resources...or probably the coding knowledge to do something like this but I know there some people out there that do. I hope one of you gets interested in making your own version of a price database like EM. It would be a great thing to have.
DSM20T Obsidian Ridge INC	Posted - 2010.12.21 20:12:00 - [107] Edited by: DSM20T on 21/12/2010 20:12:59 Originally by: Thibault Etienne Originally by: Kallahar I think he makes a good point, anyone with the skills to run a replacement site also has the skills to implement it themselves. Which is what I did: http://eve-marketdata.com It's by no means perfect, and I really need people to install the uploader (ocreate your own) to start putting data in. The rest of the site isn't worth anything if people don't provide data :) More info on this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1433498 Kallahar Seems for Various reasons Eve Metrics will be going bye bye. Perhaps we should move on as suggested and give Kallahar's a try. Agreed. Downloading uploader now. I recommend others do the same and let's help Kallahar get his site going. Eve-metrics is ending, it sucks but that's the way it goes. Ix doesn't wish to hand off the torch, so let's accept that, thank him for his service, and move on. Eve-marketdata
CODE RED Caldari Diabolus Ex Machina The Amazing Onjoi and his Educated Rodents	Posted - 2010.12.22 04:18:00 - [108] **************************************************************** PLEASE EVEMAIL ME, I own a data center and would gladly host it :) **************************************************************** _________________________________________ Kryo "CODE RED" Dracon
Commander Minner Gallente Cyanide Manufacturing Inc Celestial Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.23 02:30:00 - [109] Real sorry to see you go. This site made me millions in my PI. Also, guys, he's not giving up the code. I know you're sorry to see it go, but he released alot of the important stuff publicly already, and the rest shouldn't be all that bad for a really skilled programmer. And, I would like to thank Kallahar, for making what looks like will carry on the torch of Metrics (I thought I was on the Metrics site at first, it looks that good). Hope his project carries on, currently uploading (that's why I'm hanging on the forums, he said AFK is the best way to upload). Cheers mate, hope to see you back in EvE sometime in the future. __________________________________________________ "Fate protects fools, little children and ships named Enterprise" -- Cmdr. Riker "Jean-Luc! It's so good to see you again. How about a big
Lynn Deniera Caldari The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.23 02:34:00 - [110] Thanks for all the hard work. We have used this service for a long time.
Fargo Longhaul	Posted - 2010.12.23 03:54:00 - [111] Ix, Many thanks for the dedication, resources, and the huge investment you made to the community. Much respect! Kallahar, Any chance Eve-marketdata can replicate the Eve Metrics API calls? That way we could just change the URL? Everyone else, Eve Metrics is far better is seems, but why doesn't anyone acknowledge Eve Central? (Maybe not appropriate for this thread, but I'm curious)
Femaref Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.12.24 01:55:00 - [112] Originally by: Fargo Longhaul Ix, Many thanks for the dedication, resources, and the huge investment you made to the community. Much respect! Kallahar, Any chance Eve-marketdata can replicate the Eve Metrics API calls? That way we could just change the URL? Everyone else, Eve Metrics is far better is seems, but why doesn't anyone acknowledge Eve Central? (Maybe not appropriate for this thread, but I'm curious) Because central is inferior to metrics. and concerning the api calls - I sent Kallahar a mail about it. Ix: would it be possible to see the algorithm for the simulated field? I think I might be able to understand it better in code than in words.
Jeannaqua Spank A Gank	Posted - 2010.12.24 11:49:00 - [113] I've tried going back to Eve Central. It's not even close. It just doesn't compare to Eve Metrics
Slow Deterioration	Posted - 2010.12.24 13:40:00 - [114] Thank you for your job Ix. Sad to see this site go.
Cornwalace	Posted - 2010.12.24 21:24:00 - [115] Thank you for taking time, well after you played Eve, to keep it running. As for everyone else - who's starting to re-create a similar code, with the information he's provided? I'm curious as to the status of whomever is going to re-create what Ix had done?
Rakivic Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.12.27 04:26:00 - [116] Thanks for the service. I used it often Does anyone know if this will effect eve-central some one told me once that it used the same API ad eve metrics.
Troll Bear	Posted - 2010.12.28 18:44:00 - [117] Regarding accview, this is an application I am going to miss. Is there something similar out there that can help me analyze full API data from new corp. applicants? Thanks.
NextDarkKnight Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.28 18:59:00 - [118] Edited by: NextDarkKnight on 28/12/2010 19:02:38 Just found your site a few weeks ago and got to use it. It was perfect for making a small AP that I put together. Much better then the other sites I tried yours is the best. I'll donate a few bucks to put towards keeping your domain from lapsing even if the service is coming down you can at least keep the name you built up.
Eddie Lampert Phaser Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.31 10:44:00 - [119] Its a loss for our corporation, but thanks for the services provided through the years! ------------------------------------------------ Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc.
Panthekin	Posted - 2010.12.31 10:54:00 - [120] EveMesh is another alternative I am currently looking at. BTW, is it possible to have several uploaders running and therefore serve two or more market networks?

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