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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:08:00 -
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December 20th is the make or break day for EVE online and CCP. It is the date when CCPGÇÖs dominance over the Sci-Fi MMO will be tested. Are you :fearless: enough or will you shrink to the occasion? Will CCP rise to the occasion and bring about the promised time for EVE Online, when all unfinished expansion will be iterated on. Will it be a time when gaping chest wounds and emersion breaking game mechanics will be fixed? When constant ship balancing and module tweaking is in every patch note. Only time will tell. However, one thing we do know is that after Dec 20th EVE will not be the same again.
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D Liver
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:12:00 -
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big words from a small face |
Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:13:00 -
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Two completely different games, SW:TOR will not pull your average eve player away from the game.
Also from what I have played in TOR it is a single player game with multiplayer elements. Unless they overhaul the whole game between now and then its not going to be the massive behemoth that people think it will be. It defiantly will not knock WOW off of its throne.
Riggs
I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:15:00 -
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SWTOR = WOWMMO
EVE = EVE
They're completely different genres. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:19:00 -
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SWTOR = Mass
EVE = Niche
They're aiming at different audiences.
At least SWTOR will discourage the higher ups at CCP from aiming at the lowest common denominator mass market too much.
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:21:00 -
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D Liver wrote:big words from a small face
Maybe but they are no less true because of it.
SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.
When customers are giving a choice between broken or different , which one will you think they will choose.
Granted, there are a lot of things wrong with the game, (most everyone will agree with me on that) and everyone has their opinion on what is and is not broken. The main issue is not that its not getting fixed but instead the lack of confidence and trust the customers have with CCP ATM. That is the make or break issue with the EVE community. |
Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.09.25 13:29:00 -
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Zendoren wrote:
SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.
I still do not see how it will be lethal to CCP's revenue stream. Most players I know will not cancel their eve accounts to play TOR. they might add a subscription to TOR to try it out, and some might leave but these players who leave would not be the players who stick around EVE for long times. Or they are the players that were already on their way out. Either way TOR will not affect eve in the slightest.
It might effect WOW a bit but even then the small drop in wow subs will be rebound once people realize that they are playing KOTOR with multi.
Riggs
I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:12:00 -
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Riggs Droput wrote:Zendoren wrote:
SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.
I still do not see how it will be lethal to CCP's revenue stream. Most players I know will not cancel their eve accounts to play TOR. they might add a subscription to TOR to try it out, and some might leave but these players who leave would not be the players who stick around EVE for long times. Or they are the players that were already on their way out. Either way TOR will not affect eve in the slightest. It might effect WOW a bit but even then the small drop in wow subs will be rebound once people realize that they are playing KOTOR with multi. Riggs
You might be completely right. Who knows; however, the fact remains that another Sci-Fi MMO is on its way, with deep lucus arts and EA pockets with a Dev team that is as much or even more engaging to their customers as CCP is and a fan base that is pumped up because it's shinny and branding is what they want does shuffle the deck a little in the Sci-Fi MMO world. Discount it all you want, but I believe that it will hurt CCP's bottom at-least (in the form of furloughed subs) until the new and shinny wears off.
For sure, there is nothing else quite like EVE out there; however, If they continue to ignore their customers and neglect their flagship product (eve online) customers will eventually find other places to spend their money. (I point to Netflix as an example) I'm an optimist sometimes; however, even now its hard for me to see the light after :18months: of no FiS content and a management team that seems hostile to our CSM (The embodied voice of the EVE Online customer [for better or worse]) |
Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:17:00 -
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Zendoren wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:Zendoren wrote:
SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.
I still do not see how it will be lethal to CCP's revenue stream. Most players I know will not cancel their eve accounts to play TOR. they might add a subscription to TOR to try it out, and some might leave but these players who leave would not be the players who stick around EVE for long times. Or they are the players that were already on their way out. Either way TOR will not affect eve in the slightest. It might effect WOW a bit but even then the small drop in wow subs will be rebound once people realize that they are playing KOTOR with multi. Riggs You might be completely right. Who knows; however, the fact remains that another Sci-Fi MMO is on its way, with deep lucus arts and EA pockets with a Dev team that is as much or even more engaging to their customers as CCP is and a fan base that is pumped up because it's shinny and branding is what they want does shuffle the deck a little in the Sci-Fi MMO world. Discount it all you want, but I believe that it will hurt CCP's bottom line (in the form of furloughed subs) at-least until the new and shinny wears off. For sure, there is nothing else quite like EVE out there; however, If they continue to ignore their customers and neglect their flagship product (eve online) customers will eventually find other places to spend their money. (I point to Netflix as an example) I'm an optimist sometimes; however, even now its hard for me to see the light after :18months: of no FiS content and a management team that seems hostile to our CSM (The embodied voice of the EVE Online customer [for better or worse]) you're either pretty stupid or have ZERO understanding of this market space.
EvE will lose a tiny amount of the population to ToR - a themepark game, by the way - who will then come back to EvE when they realise it IS a themepark and not a sandbox.
You should do a search for Star Trek Online - fools like you made these exact same claims then, and were just as wrong then as you are now.
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Reiisha
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:21:00 -
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Zendoren wrote:D Liver wrote:big words from a small face Maybe but they are no less true because of it. SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream. When customers are giving a choice between broken or different , which one will you think they will choose. Granted, there are a lot of things wrong with the game, (most everyone will agree with me on that) and everyone has their opinion on what is and is not broken. The main issue is not that its not getting fixed but instead the lack of confidence and trust the customers have with CCP ATM. That is the make or break issue with the EVE community.
1) TOR isn't different, it's WoW with lasers and lightsabres. EVE is a sandbox, TOR is a themepark game. Completely different audience.
2) Oh, how many people claimed that this or that MMO would mean the death of EVE. This game even survived the massive growth of WoW - It will survive ToR, despite it's current flaws. |
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Generals4
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:39:00 -
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I don't think SW TOR is a big threat to EVE. At most it might take away some players who played EVE not because it was a sandbox but because it is about space, and i honestly doubt there are many of those around.
It's like saying a new average Volkswagen will cause Porsche to lose a lot of their costumers. Both cars are made for different markets , one for the masses the other for a particular niche. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:57:00 -
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Battlefield 3 will have more of an effect than SWTOR tbh. Completely different type of game, but I know which one I and a bunch of corp mates will be whoring over the next few weeks....
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Meryl SinGarda
Homeworld Republic
United Homeworlds
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:00:00 -
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I'm treating SW:TOR as if it's just another game I'm going to buy to play in order to experience it's story. Will there be staying power? Either way, EVE is dominant in this category.
Also, BioWare. I mean, come on... Mass Effect.
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Elindreal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:48:00 -
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Bioware did NWN1 and KOTOR1. 2 of my favourite games, both with great story depth and immersion.
Besides, it's not like it's difficult to plex my account for a month or two while, as above poster said, playing the story. |
Mastertz
Red Ghost Recon
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:56:00 -
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D Liver wrote:big words from a small face
i lol'd |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:59:00 -
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Yes after enjoying a apple a new orange is going to pull me away.
Use some frickin' common sense lad! Two entirely different styles of game. |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:02:00 -
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They're both with internet! |
Azurialli
The Vendunari
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:02:00 -
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Well I think that Dec 20 likely isn't a break date, I think that the effect on Nov 11 will be bigger then that of Dec 20.  |
Tenchi Sal
DeathStar Systems
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:09:00 -
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not sure why people keep comparing TOR and EVE. they are both completely different games. WoW and TOR are much better comparison. TOR Devs themselves stated that they are modeling it after WoW. |
Andrea Griffin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:36:00 -
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I took a look at the space combat videos for TOR. Utterly shallow compared to Eve. TOR may have the upper hand on visuals but that's it. |
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Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:44:00 -
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LMFAO, ya i recall this thread from the startrek mmo release, and then from blackprophecy .... eve is eve its what it is lol |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:22:00 -
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I think the bigger issue here and as always is not competition, but distraction.
of course SWTOR is not EVE, nor is it supposed to be but face it, if people buy it and like it and play it they are not playing eve as much.
its folly to assume TOR is a replacement for anything, the reality is that it covers a broad scope of a demographic that includes niche games like eve.
the danger is if people have more fun playing WoW with lightsabers they may be more inclined to put their eve sub on hold until they burn out, or simply not play so much and only log in to add a skill to the queue.
people joke about winter coming, but winter could actually be pretty slow around these parts.
lets just hope all the botters and farmers flock there and leave eve alone
... yeah right...
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:52:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I think the bigger issue here and as always is not competition, but distraction.
of course SWTOR is not EVE, nor is it supposed to be but face it, if people buy it and like it and play it they are not playing eve as much.
its folly to assume TOR is a replacement for anything, the reality is that it covers a broad scope of a demographic that includes niche games like eve.
the danger is if people have more fun playing WoW with lightsabers they may be more inclined to put their eve sub on hold until they burn out, or simply not play so much and only log in to add a skill to the queue.
people joke about winter coming, but winter could actually be pretty slow around these parts.
lets just hope all the botters and farmers flock there and leave eve alone
... yeah right...
This is more to my point which i was trying to point out. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:27:00 -
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Riggs Droput wrote:Two completely different games, SW:TOR will not pull your average eve player away from the game.
Also from what I have played in TOR it is a single player game with multiplayer elements. Unless they overhaul the whole game between now and then its not going to be the massive behemoth that people think it will be. It defiantly will not knock WOW off of its throne.
Riggs
The average EVE player is a mission whoring carebear playing a single-player game with almost no connection to the sandbox. To these players the only attraction seems to be the sci-fi nature of the genre.
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:46:00 -
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I think that with the huge fan base that Star Wars have, all other online games will notice a drop of players initially.
Then it's gonna be the "make or break" for SWTOR, though they will probably make a profit either way.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:46:00 -
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I've played the Beta of SWTOR.
Its WoW but with lightsabers and Real Voice Artists and thats it.
The graphics are sucky, you have your usual DPS/Tank/Healer/Glass Canon characters, you usuall go and kill x of these guys, go and collect x of these items.
The only MMO's who will lose players are those who follow the WoW model. |
Aisha Kropotkin
Anarchy Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:47:00 -
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As a mission whoring carebear player I think even though my participation in the more sandboxy parts of the game is minimal, the fact that it is there, that the pool has a deep end keeps me going back. Eve has that deep end of the pool that any other game lacks.
oh and call me farmer or fisherman, not carebear, *****.
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Ghost Resonance
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:49:00 -
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Razin wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:Two completely different games, SW:TOR will not pull your average eve player away from the game.
Also from what I have played in TOR it is a single player game with multiplayer elements. Unless they overhaul the whole game between now and then its not going to be the massive behemoth that people think it will be. It defiantly will not knock WOW off of its throne.
Riggs The average EVE player is a mission whoring carebear playing a single-player game with almost no connection to the sandbox. To these players the only attraction seems to be the sci-fi nature of the genre.
This nails it. 70+ % of EVE's players reside in HiSec. Do they really care about the sandbox?
Look where the players who left EVE went. WoT for the most part, then when that wore thin, "back" to WoW and alternatives like Rift, Starcraft 2, etc. TOR will definitely drag away a portion of EVEs playerbase, as it will with other sandbox and themepark games. Including WoW. Its going to be the new shiny and people will play it. Whether they retain those who leave is a seperate question entirely.
The sandbox is not as big a deal as some are deluded to believe. |
Baron Harkonnen
House Harkonnen
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:57:00 -
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I don't see Dec 20th as make or break for CCP. As far as I am concerned CCP have already broken Eve. The winter expansion needs to be something special if CCP are to start to fix everything that has gone wrong. TOR just means it will be even harder for CCP to get new subscribers and retain many of the current player base who are sick and tired of the lack lustre development Eve has seen for many years. They may be very different games but TOR has more going for it than Eve in its current state IMHO.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:08:00 -
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Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing. |
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